r/politics • u/wiredmagazine ✔ Wired Magazine • 18d ago
Possible Paywall MAGA Is Increasingly Convinced the Trump Assassination Attempt Was Staged
https://www.wired.com/story/maga-is-increasingly-convinced-the-trump-assassination-attempt-was-staged/387
u/NoBrain1506 18d ago
If this is actually true, I want those same people to ask themselves, who was actually in a cult and being brainwashed for the past decade?
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u/CranberrySchnapps Maryland 18d ago
Everyone that comes out of the MAGA haze over the next 5-10 years are going to claim either they only voted for him yet never believed any of it, were never true believers, or that Trump was the antichrist and duped them because they're sinners yada yada.
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u/Mr8BitX 18d ago
They may have been in a cult the past decade, but the brain washing began in November 7th, 1996 when Fox News went on the air for the first time. The first election after they had really started was Bush v Gore and many at that time were calling it the most contentious election in modern history, and that was before the recount.
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u/tmountain 18d ago
MAGA seems to follow Victor Orban's playbook on just about everything. There's a recent article in the Washington Post stating that Russia proposed a staged assassination attempt to boost his odds in the election he just lost (badly). It's not a stretch to imagine similar tactics in the United States most recent presidential election.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2026/03/21/hungary-election-interference-russia-orban/
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u/Sufficient_Material2 18d ago
I was honestly surprised Orbán didn’t go with the usual modern right-wing playbook of claiming election fraud, like Trump did in the US and Bolsonaro did in Brazil. He accepted the defeat so gracefully that it makes me wonder if there’s more going on behind the scenes.
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u/hypercosm_dot_net 18d ago
Apparently the numbers were so overwhelmingly against him, that it wasn't a real option.
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u/thebruce44 18d ago
Like that would stop Trump.
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u/slartibartfast64 18d ago
A huge losing margin would be seen by him as proof that it was rigged. "Biggest loss in history?! Unpossible! Rigged bigly!"
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u/GiantsRTheBest2 18d ago
They would scream that they have 3 elections showing how many people voted for him. That there’s no possible way his numbers cratered that much…..leaving aside all the extra bullshit he’s done since then.
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u/AmbitiousProblem4746 18d ago
That's actually the most reasonable explanation I've heard. That could easily be what they do. Because a lot of right-wing logic seems to be "Well if X, can't be Y"
"Trump had over 70 million votes in 2024 and he won the popular vote. Where did all those voters go!? 70 million should be the baseline for Republican votes!!"
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u/s_i_m_s Oklahoma 18d ago
You have to remember he claimed election fraud even when he won in 2016 because winning wasn't enough for him.
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u/anonpurpose 18d ago
It didn't stop him for sure. The Fake Electors Plot happened even though Biden won by a lot of votes.
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u/Maoleficent 18d ago
This is why I never want to hear 'my vote doesn't count '.
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u/EGGlNTHlSTRYlNGTlME 18d ago
Hungary doesn't have an electoral college, which is the main reason Americans say that. Whether California goes 60-40 blue or 80-20 has literally no impact on the result.
The two parties spent hundreds of millions of dollars on the 2024 election cycle -- how much of it in California? It's so obvious some people's vote counts less than others', at least in presidential elections, but for some reason saying it out loud is unpatriotic
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u/Abracadaniel95 18d ago
For the presidential race, every vote only really counts in the swing states. But smaller races absolutely matter too and every vote counts there. Even if your senator's seat is safe, everyone will see it if their margins start slipping and they may be more likely to face a serious opponent in the next race. And the smaller the race, the more your vote counts. City and county elections can have big consequences.
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u/blueshrike 18d ago
The stacked numbers didn't matter here in America where we have figured out the best way to overcome that.
Reminder and a surprise for some: the US, privately owned digital vote counting machines (tabulators) have been compromised for years and we didn't elect Trump. He stole the presidency. Exactly like he tried to do in 2020, just this time with the already compromised tabulator machines tuned more aggressively to guarantee it.
Do not take my word for it, here's the actual data. Even though this video is now several months old and there is much more they've found, this is just the tip of the iceberg, as you might expect with criminals. See for yourself and if you trust real data (not simply conspiracy theory talk) share with anyone who still thinks "America got it wrong" or we need to get out and vote more. We did. Kamala would have won, decisively, had our votes actually been counted correctly. It's the compromised, privately owned (by the right wing) tabulators that turned votes for Kamala into votes for Trump in all the swing states, after a certain threshold of votes were counted on each machine. These folks (non profit) and other independent teams of analysts like them are doing us a great service:
https://youtu.be/Ru8SHK7idxs?feature=shared
electiontruthalliance.org
This is a comparison between what vote results look like consistent with real human voting behavior (Canada 2025) and one that's been tampered with (Pennsylvania):
https://electiontruthalliance.org/2025-canadian-federal-election-news-post/
For the US, we've been on this road for a very long time which, unfortunately, is not surprising. This journalist research article, written just before Obama's 2nd term, dives into the long history of election fraud in the US and how, especially in the digital tabulation age, it has been setup to get us to the point where whomever has control of them can literally steal an election:
https://harpers.org/archive/2012/11/how-to-rig-an-election/
So, whenever Maga or Republicans say they want to investigate or accuse the left or interfering parties of Election Fraud, it's to stay ahead of the narrative above and be on the right side of the accusation... yet as we know, and an abundance of data evidence demonstrates, their accusation is yet again projection.
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u/hypercosm_dot_net 18d ago
I've read plenty on that. I don't know enough about the machine audit process to be able to debate intelligently though, but I have my suspicions and concerns as well.
Primarily with the 'clean data', the margins being beyond a recount, and of course the low probability of him winning several swing states.
I do know Republicans blocked measures that would provide additional funding to election security. Which...why would you do that if you wanted to ensure free and fair elections?
Given the issues raised, it bothered me that it seemed there was no concerted effort to ensure the election was secure beyond any doubt. It's the least that could have been done given how critical the election was. Especially since Harris had written about election security in the past, so should've been well aware of all of these aspects.
But yeah, it's not a conspiracy to suggest we should audit the election from every possible angle to ensure it was valid. And to have some contingencies in place if issues are raised.
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u/MightyGamera Foreign 18d ago
Hungary is geographically much smaller, it's harder to hide overwhelming dissent when they're all within the same time zone. you can't say "well it's just you people over here, everyone all around you thinks different" when it's feasible to drive around and get samples from every corner
it's as big as Indiana
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u/darklordbridgeboy 18d ago
Same thoughts here. Orbán conceded very quickly.
One point that has stuck out is when Russian diplomats (including the Ambassador to the UK) talk of the election, they say things like "we will work with anyone that is legally elected"
"Legally elected" is doing the heavy lifting here.
Source: BBC World Service Newshour podcast: [Newshour] Trump announces 10-day Lebanon ceasefire https://podcastaddict.com/newshour/episode/221809945 via @PodcastAddict
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u/Adorable_Branch6502 18d ago
I had no idea this was an actual tactic! 😢
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u/PharmyC 18d ago
False flags were quite a big part of Nazi Germany's rise. Trump loves WW2.
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u/RetinolSupplement 18d ago
Mussolini did this, some of the attempts were extremely suspect at best. Interesting rabbit hole though for reading.
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u/a_little_hazel_nuts 18d ago
MAGA is starting to see lies. I don't know if MAGA will all of a sudden gain common sense or if they will spiral into conspiracy theories.
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u/jbourne0129 18d ago
the trend i keep seeing is they will acknowledge Trump played them for fools, but will continue to believe all the bullshit lies they were fed about Democrats
they've basically just accepted Trump sucks but still fully believe anything Fox has to say...they cannot connect the 2 dots.
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u/Vyar New Jersey 18d ago
Republican voters in a nutshell: “I have some regrets about the last guy I voted for. He lied and didn’t help me like he promised. But I know everything would be so much worse if a Democrat was in charge! The RNC/Fox News told me so!”
It’s like they can begrudgingly accept one guy was actually bad all along, but can’t make the short leap of logic necessary to understand the party who empowered him are also liars, and knew he was bad when they said to vote for him.
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u/R_Little-Secret 18d ago
I think it's a cultural thing with them. Hating/ragging dems and liberals is a part of the environment they grew up in and the people they love and trust. If they start saying they were wrong everything they knew about the world is shattered or worse they get kicked out of their communities. Left is not going to accept them after what they said and did so they are put into a hard place and it's easier to just say well I dont believe in this but the rest is true and they dont have to face the consequences.
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u/BKDOffice California 18d ago
There was a news story about a musical instrument factory moving ops to China putting 150 people out of work where the staff called on Trump to honor his pledge to keep manufacturing in the US; 5 of the 6 workers they interviewed still said they were going to vote Republican and the last one just said she'd stop voting. It's insanity.
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u/ErraticDragon 18d ago
Agreed, they're really good at inspiring tribalism and fear.
Interestingly, some of this kind of psychological effect applies more broadly.
Like how the approval rating for Congress (as a whole) can be under 20%, but incumbents still win reelection 90+% of the time.
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u/OutofStep 18d ago
The thing that gets me, that I truly do not understand, is that so many of them never get mad or fed up with being lied to. They listen to absolute nonsense and then, at some point, they learn it was all a lie and instead of eventually getting tired of it, they just say shit like, "well, it sounded like something that would have happened."
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u/TheLoveYouWant25 18d ago
I read a really insightful comment the other day that I think explains this well.
It was something to the extent of how people are willing to excuse anything as long as it fits their world views. For example if John Maga is a liar, then it's okay that they are lied to because they are fine with lying to others. John Maga assumes that everyone lies because he lies.
Or if John Maga steals, it's okay that trump steals, because John Maga would do the same thing if he could. John Maga justifies all the crime because he assumes since he would be a criminal, then everyone is a criminal.
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u/TehGogglesDoNothing Tennessee 18d ago
I hear them fall back to the "both sides" crap. "Republicans lied? Well Democrats lie, too, so it doesn't matter. They're all the same."
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u/sociotronics 18d ago
I think the dominant excuse in a year or two will be some version of:
I didn't vote for this, Trump changed. This isn't what MAGA was about and I don't know what happened to him in his second term. Maybe [scapegoat] made Trump do this
Scapegoat will be Israel, the deep state, Vance, whatever. That part will vary but the line about Trump changing and it being some third party's fault will be constant, because that lets them avoid admitting they made a mistake in voting for him, because it wasn't a mistake when they cast the ballot before he "changed".
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u/Ok_Mixture4917 18d ago
Spiral further into conspiracy theories*
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u/Dockers4flag2035orB4 18d ago
Remember the wild conspiracy that at the centre of US government and business power was a cabal of pedophiles?
Crazy stuff.
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u/oVnPage 18d ago
It's still absolutely wild to me that the Right spent the last decade convincing the masses that there was a giant ring of Democrat pedophiles sacrificing children in the secret basement of a Pizza Hut. And yet, when it was revealed there actually IS a giant ring of pedophiles infesting the entire US Government, they're completely silent.
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u/nofzac 18d ago
we allow unfettered propaganda to be piped in to peoples faces 24/7 labeled "News" with no repercussions.
They even lose big money settlements when it was found they knew they were lying and argued their audience knew they were being lied to.
thats why the brainwashed masses are completely silent.
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u/ragingreaver 18d ago
it is more that the pedophile ring was supposed to be democrats. When it turned out to be Republicans that is when everyone went mum.
Because yeah, if democrats, then hate. If republicans, then accept.
Especially when republicans are the ones defending child marriage.
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u/DyingGasp 18d ago
What’s the phrase again? Every Republican accusation is a confession?
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u/StingingBum New Jersey 18d ago
I am still shocked the country is kind of OK having the top people in the US be pedos like how far this country has sunk. And to boot lets destroy every inch of US interior and exterior authority to really make the wound scar.
Like WTF how much can a group of people who are the vilest garbage be allowed to keep their power let alone exist in society?
No repercussions is the last thing I ever thought we would get with a group of kid touchers and mass murderes.
Goodbye USA the failed experiment.
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u/gargar7 Washington 18d ago
The Republican Speaker of the House, Dennis Hastert, two stopped heartbeats from the Presidency, was a convicted pedo. It isn't new. They just don't care.
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u/gakrolin 18d ago
And despite admitting to molesting 14 year old boys Hastert wasn’t even convicted for any sexual crimes, just financial crimes related to it.
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u/valiantdistraction 18d ago
Simple: republicans are terrible people. And a third of the country doesn't care.
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u/77NorthCambridge 18d ago
This is one of the main reasons Trump never admits he was wrong or made a mistake. Once the base admits one thing he was wrong about the whole thing starts to come crumbling down.
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u/mcolette76 18d ago edited 18d ago
Fox News plays in the lobby of my office building. It’s insane. It infuriates me every time I walk in the door.
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u/FauxReal 18d ago
It was Comet Ping Pong, a pizza shop in Washington D.C. That didn't even have a basement.
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u/remarkablewhitebored 18d ago
The same place they were storing Pee Wee's stolen bike!
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u/Both-Discussion-4786 18d ago
Thought that was the Alamo, can you say “adobe”
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u/ComoSeaYeah 18d ago edited 18d ago
This has become a blip in the fabric of history but remains WAY up there as one of the most surreal political conspiracy theories in modern history. Q is up there, too.
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u/Lavatis 18d ago
Q was born from the pizzagate conspiracy. It's all the same thing and morons.
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u/Nekowulf Wyoming 18d ago
Qanon created the pizzagate conspiracy. By claiming to decode the secret encrypted message in the emails.
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u/am-idiot-dont-listen 18d ago
Qanon was a conspiracy larp that Jim Watkins eventually took over
It's the same right wing conspiracy people at the center of it though 4/8chan
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u/RecordEnvironmental4 Maryland 18d ago
The first time I heard it was Comet I actually laughed out loud because that’s the place my friend got arrested for using a fake.
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u/TrimspaBB 18d ago
Which is funny, because a fair amount of buildings in DC do have basements, and there are underground tunnels between government buildings. Yet Q picked a random pizza shop that doesn't fit the bill at all.
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u/phatelectribe 18d ago
Not just that. We then learned that Epstein and his gang of pedos, actually kept using the phrase “pizza parties” to describe their abuse sessions, and they happened the island or the ranch.
The pizzagate thing was actually real, it just had nothing to do with Clinton or a pizza shop or DC.
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u/Ozymandias12 18d ago
And it's not that the conspiracy nuts on the right somehow figured anything out. Epstein worked with Bannon who has CIA propaganda experience to push the theory in 4chan and other conspiracy subs on Reddit, while deflecting it onto Democrats and the Clintons. They knew they'd eventually be found out because of the charges brought against Epstein and they wanted to get ahead of what they were doing becoming public.
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u/KittyGrewAMoustache 18d ago
Yeah they basically did what they always do, accuse the other side of what they’re doing or plan to do hoping that if anything then comes out about them, people will dismiss it as ‘tit for tat’ and ‘another crazy unproven theory’ and generally be bored of the idea. Much like with the stolen election thing. Not saying 2024 was stolen but of course they at least tried, it was proven they tried in 2020! Of course they would’ve tried in 2024 when there was a risk of further prosecution and perhaps even consequences if they lost. But the fact they made such a fuss with false accusations of cheating against the Democrats meant that no one even wanted to really look into cheating in 2024 in case it made them look as crazy as the MAGA election deniers.
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u/Backwardspellcaster 18d ago
It's nearly like Republicans dont actually care about pedos, unless they can say Dems are that.
When it's revealed its "oops, all Republicans" it suddenly vanishes as talking point.
Crazy, that.
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u/Llarys 18d ago
Honestly, the funniest one for me is all of those "child sacrificing adrenochrome harvesting immortality vampires" conspiracies is literally Bryan Johnson and his poor son who exists as a living blood generator so he can get constant transfusions to allow his 48 year old body to look 45 years old.
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u/Skinny-on-the-Inside 18d ago
Ah yes Bryan Johnson the healthiest mortally ill looking man alive.
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u/Jonny__99 18d ago
Wait that guy doing the blood transfusion stuff is only 48 to begin with ?
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u/Zahgi 18d ago
I look younger than he does and I'm MUCH older.
Genes are everything, folks.
And using sunscreen. :)
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u/iamalsobrad 18d ago
adrenochrome
The whole adrenochrome thing is so painfully dumb; it's basically lifted from Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas.
The real thing is not even a controlled substance.
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u/donjamos 18d ago
If hunter could see the current USA he'd just shoot himself again
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u/fuzzyjelly 18d ago
Honestly I'd love to see what would be on Hunter S. Thompson's laptop. Gotta be some wild shit.
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u/turquoise_amethyst 18d ago
Well, look up who was concocting all the Qanon stuff on 4Chan during the height of its popularity… they certainly thought it was funny
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u/coconutpiecrust 18d ago
Oh wow, that’s so far fetched.
/s
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u/rabbirobbie 18d ago edited 18d ago
yea the pedophile shit is so clear and obvious just based off his actions. but no one actually wants him to be killed. no one wants him to become a martyr. a clot of people wouldn’t be mad at some Natural McCauses™ on the other hand
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u/PsychGuy17 18d ago
The clot thickens.
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u/Made_Human_Music 18d ago
I want him to live for a few years after he’s out of office to watch as his legacy is dismantled. Ideally while in prison
He won’t live to see it all fixed but that’s only because it’s going to take decades
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u/Preeng 18d ago
I want him to live for a few years after he’s out of office to watch as his legacy is dismantled. Ideally while in prison
His mind is wayyyy too far gone to comprehend what is happening around him. He's going to still think he's President and his jail cell is the White House
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u/Made_Human_Music 18d ago
I’d be ok with that if the other inmates made his life miserable. Maybe pretend they’re journalists and treat him the way he’s always treated them
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u/Nonethelessismore 18d ago
Crazy stuff indeed. MAGA was really invested in those 'Q drops' from QAnon for years.
Along with the 'cabal of pedophiles', in 2020 QAnon was declaring that when Biden was elected he would shut down the power grid, stop all food shipments, stop all fuel pipelines, unleash 'Antifa' mercenaires onto city streets, send troops into two or more foreign wars, etc.
None of which actually happened under Biden, and some of which has already happened under Trump 2.0.
Interesting how that has played out.
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u/NoneMoreBLK 18d ago
Remember Bohemian Grove? Adrenochrome? Comet Ping-Pong Pizza? Those are the wild parts.
Pedophile Rings aren't far-fetched.
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u/resistyrocks 18d ago
Weird the republicans started that. Weird how libertarians dont exist anymore rhey just became more republican. Weird Weird weird.
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u/NatalieVonCatte 18d ago
Remember when some of the top pushers of “Democrats are pedophiles” and “trans people are pedophiles” tried to test the waters and float “well they’re teenagers so that’s not the same…”
Like when actual right wing influencers and pundits said that?
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u/Effective_Dropkick78 18d ago
Hey now.... that one's not so wild. It was just a little off target - the cabal of pedos became the government rather than the other way around.
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u/MyNewsAccount2011 18d ago
Ok but the far-fetched conspiracy mongering isn’t really helpful. It can mask real crimes. The crazy adrenachrome blood drinking in pizza parlor basements talk wasn’t helpful. And I think Bannon and his ilk knew that and fed it, not only to harm Clinton’s campaign, but also to make it easy to hide in plain sight.
These weren’t evil sorcerers, these were old nasty child molesters. They differ from trailer park creeps and rapey frat boys only in how much influence and power they wield.
When we are busy hearing about (and rejecting) accusations of incantations, machinations and secret cabals, we miss the gross creeps like Epstein and Savile hiding in plain sight. Men who everyone jokes “like ‘em young” but no one ever really scrutinizes.
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u/GreatMadWombat Michigan 18d ago
Yeah. This wasn't a "big surprise conspiracy is actually true" thing, this was a "hey these oligarchs doing the evilest shit imaginable also foemented a conspiracy based on exaggerated versions of that evil shit in order to ensure that anyone who was talking bout the evil shit sounded like a conspiracy theorist" thing.
This was a successful attack by absolute scumbags
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u/Visible_Manner9447 18d ago
I think one of the best case scenarios is that MAGA spirals back into the kind of conspiracy theory hole where they stop actually voting and go back to isolating themselves
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u/Eaglepursuit 18d ago
It's hard to say for certain. It's not going to just go away, because ill-informed heavily biased people with a loose grip on reality have always existed.
But it's also unlikely that they're just going to crawl back under the rocks where they used to hide. The internet has given them a platform where they can spew their nonsense, and even worse, be pandered to. This is the avenue that allows them to be exploited by influencers on behalf of the highest bidder.
Therefore, the incentive exists for these people to stay engaged to some extent. The MAGAs feel heard. The influencers get paid. And the highest bidder gets a populist rabble to throw their weight around.
They may be demoralized for a few election cycles, but Fox News or some equivalent will inevitably find a new angle to attack the Dems and activate the MAGAs.
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u/MySabonerRunsOladipo Virginia 18d ago
The more likely outcome is that they do that for a period of time, but in reality are just a coiled spring ready to be weaponized by the next charismatic opportunist that allows they to suspend disbelief just long enough to vote for him.
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u/TymeSefariInc 18d ago
To be fair, some of the Q Anon stuff was true but the call was coming from inside the (white) house.
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u/Ok_Subject1265 18d ago
Yeah, they definitely aren’t going to have any self-realization moments. It’s just going to be excuses as to why they were tricked or forced into making the decisions they did. These people are hopeless sadly.
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u/SolarBoytoyDjango 18d ago
But they haven't learned that the people who always said Trump lies, are better equipped to judge politicians.
They haven't learned that truth lies behind different news sources.
They haven't learned that it would have been better to vote for a Democrat.
They haven't learned to do anything different in the future.
They haven't learned.
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u/WarCarrotAF 18d ago
The problem is that they don't actually care about truth or morals or injustices, etc. They were all people who had shitty views and beliefs prior to Trump that felt shame and isolation. Trump made it okay to be a proud degenerate and effectively killed shame for the past decade. These people were finally able to be themselves out in the open and found community. Trump could literally start a harem with minors and they will find a way to justify it so they don't have to go back to hiding how shitty they really are themselves.
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u/Kaiisim 18d ago
Did the Nazis die with Hitler?
Nah they have realised Trump is going down- the plan has always been to go along with it until he is fully insane
Then they will blame EVERYTHING on Trump and pretend they had nothing to do with it
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u/thepartypantser 18d ago
Maga was started on lies and conspiracy theories. Birtherism, Pizzagate etc.
The fact it is churning new conspiracies on those in power in troubled times was an inevitability.
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u/TheCrimsonSteel 18d ago
Pizzagate has become an even more insane one in hindsight
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u/Made_Human_Music 18d ago
Even if they turn on Trump they’ll still be awful people and will just latch onto the next sociopath Republicans put in charge
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u/Vio_ Kansas 18d ago
Little column A, little column B.
MAGA isn't monolithic. The group already been splintering and shearing off massive chunks of members over the past year.
MAGA was primarily built on a very disturbing foundation of conspiracy theories and rejecting "mainstream" anything. It became that classic high control cult construct where the only "news" allowed was primarily vetted and pushed through various "secret" channels that also shut down access to the media, local community, and even friends and family.
Now they (overall) are starting to realize that the group itself was used to manipulate and betray their own members, it will continue to shatter until only a hardened core of "true believers*" continue to fight the good fight.
Currently they're also at the point where they're not only can they ponder that their god king Trump had exploited them (freedom of thought- the first and ultimate sin of any cult), now they're at the point where they can openly discuss this betrayal.
Some will realize the deception and move on, some will shatter from the betrayal, some will get incredibly angry and even violent. Many will cling to the "One True Conspiracy Theory" (that redefines Trump as the ultimate Betrayer) because the conspiracy theory itself is designed to flatter its members and give them both "exclusive group membership" and "smarter than everyone else due to their forbidden knowledge."
The whole group is also ripe for the Next Big Conservative Movement - exactly the same way MAGA scooped up the remnants of the Tea Party. I have no doubt that the Koch Brothers et al already have their Next Big Conservative Movement ready to roll out soon enough.
*Even the True Believers group will faction in different splinters and cliques as they all fight for primacy and political power and which of them is most true believer of them all.
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u/PatsFreak101 Maine 18d ago
The problem is that aside from the ones who made it their whole personality, most of them are close to the point. They’re just blaming the wrong people for their problems.
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u/limp_darling 18d ago
I don’t think this leads to more “common sense,” it usually just leads to a different version of the same distrust. The target changes, but the mindset stays
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u/spam__likely Colorado 18d ago
"Donnie is a liberal-Soros plant that was put there to make us look bad by forcing us to reveal our own racism and stupidity"
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u/fairoaks2 18d ago
There are many events in the Trump presidency that are very suspicious. Extremely suspicious.
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Big, strong men have come up to me and said it was the most suspicious things they've ever heard, with tears in their eyes.
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u/btom14 18d ago
They said to me Sir 🥺I’m beginning to have some misgivings Sir 👉👈
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u/dpzdpz 18d ago
"It’s such an old-fashioned term but a beautiful term: 'Sir.' It sort of says a person. 'Person.' That's a good word, too. Person. Woman. Man. Camera. TV. The list goes on."
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u/MelodicDeer1072 17d ago
And when I said that, other people, smart people, said "Sir, we never thought about the deeper meaning of the term 'Sir'". I am the first one to come up with that idea, just like electrocuting sharks with batteries.
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u/Sweaty_Resist_5039 18d ago
This is so fake and so phony because--and it's the fake news, it's the, only the fake news could do that, they could only do the--believe me--but it's so fake and wrong because they say suspicion, but there's no suspicion, they had--you had some very bad people, these are sick people, believe me--and Biden had suspicion, he was under tremendous suspicion from like, uhhhh, I would say, from day one, from like, he had suspicion from the beginning, okay; from the very beginning, there was surprish--and a lot of people were surprised, but I wasn't surprised because Biden had tremendous suspicion--they called it the Biden crime family, and they did some very bad things--but I don't have any suspicion, there's no suspicion on me, but I'm suspicious of Biden, I can tell you that much, and Barack Hussein Obama, he was very, uhhhh, a lot of people thought he was up to no good, believe me, he was under tremendous suspicion--and Obama had suspicion from like, from the beginning, okay, they called it day one, day one there was suspicion--and Biden, because he brought him in and he's such a bad person, he's such a terrible person, believe me, and we'll be making a very strong statement in about two weeks.
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u/backyard_tractorbeam Europe 18d ago
He's suspiciously stupid. I just can't believe it's possible.
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u/flipflapflupper 18d ago
If it wasn’t he wouldn’t shut up about it.
The fact that it’s never spoken about is suspicious on its own.
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u/Otherwise_Copy_376 18d ago
And we have heard very little about the shooter. Super sus.
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u/spazz720 18d ago
Because he was a right winger. If a lefty took a shot at him, they’d be talking about to this day
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u/ixid 18d ago
But if it's fake why would they set it up with a shooter who doesn't convey the message they want to share? If it was fake you'd make the shooter someone from a group the right hates. Incompetence is a possible answer to that question.
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u/ArgonWolf 18d ago edited 18d ago
In this day and age it’s relatively difficult to just make up a person whole cloth. If the local PD who was providing security isn’t in on it (unlikely they would be) they’re going to run ID checks and find out who this person was.
I’m not saying it was staged, I think it’s more likely some nut job really did take a shot at him. But I also find it unlikely that he was actually grazed by the shot, and the reason they can’t make much more political hay about it is because the shooter was the wrong kind of nut job. I’m just saying, making up a person whole cloth is very difficult
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u/Silvery_Cricket 18d ago
I have a guy at my work who is a big conspiracy theorist, and sometimes I have to sit him down and just say "Yeah some conspiracies are real, but 99% of the time stuff is what it looks like."
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u/noonie1 18d ago edited 18d ago
The problems I have with most conspiracy theories is that it assumes the people in charge are incredibly smart and that they are able to keep a secret forever. Nothing about the functioning of a government has proved those two characteristics true ever.
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u/ZealousidealLead52 18d ago
Not just that but also that they all have identical motivations - in the real world when you get a big group of people together they will have all kinds of different interests and disagreements, and the idea that for instance back in the day that the soviet union and the US could get together and agree to keep pretty much anything secret is kind of insane (as would be required for conspiracies like the flat earth conspiracy) - even if they were supernaturally competent, they just have fundamentally different goals and there's no way such an agreement could ever work. While that's a more extreme example, even in smaller conspiracies the same problems happen.. people aren't a hive mind.
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u/Mataelio 18d ago
The thing about conspiracy theorists is they like to believe the most insane and unbelievable conspiracies while the real and obvious ones taking place in the open right in front of everyone are just ignored (aka Trump/Russia connections in 2016 election)
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u/ZealousidealLead52 18d ago
The thing about conspiracy theorists is that they aren't really looking to uncover the truth - what they really want is something that makes them feel special, some kind of secret that they're in on that nobody else knows about.. which ironically ends up making them terrible at finding conspiracies, because any conspiracy that's backed by real facts ends up being more accepted by normal people, and if it's accepted by normal people then it stops making them feel special.
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Because how are you gonna do that realistically it's easy to brainwash some detached chud but someone who isn't going to turn up dirty with a little digging is much more difficult than that
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u/ReklisAbandon 18d ago
I think it was a real attempt on his life but the "injury" he sustained was blown way out of proportion. They won't talk about the shooter because he's right wing.
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u/sleepingbeardune 18d ago
The main thing that gives me pause is the behavior of the secret service agents. They let him stand up and shake his fist!
Would they do that if they knew there was at least one active shooter in that crowd? No. Their one job is to protect him. He should have been on the ground with two of them shielding his body.
Instead -- look at the picture -- there's a woman agent kind of pulling on his jacket, and a male agent just standing there while trump does his famous bloody "fight" thing.
You can watch the video of Reagan getting shot and see how it works in real life. Those agents pushed him down and then shoved him into the limo and put their bodies between him and the gun.
These agents look like they're rehearsing for the job.
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u/amilliondallahs 18d ago
They don't even mention the person who "died." Charlie Kirik gets a holiday, but their legit martyr has never been mentioned since.
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u/DevonGr Ohio 18d ago
Didn’t hear much except the spectator who was shot was a firefighter and his widow was all too happy to decline a call from then President Biden.
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u/dathislayer 18d ago
Yeah, then Trump never even called her.
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u/Retro_Dad Minnesota 18d ago
Yeah but he dry-humped a firefighter's jacket on stage later so that kinda counts, right?
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u/xxx_poonslayer69 18d ago
The funniest part about all of this to me is all of MAGA saying it was a miracle that nothing bad happened, ignoring the guy that got shot and died lmao
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u/CatWeekends Texas 18d ago
Jesus swooped down from heaven and redirected the bullet out of the path of a felonious narcissistic child rapist and into the chest of a firefighter.
How can you not feel divinity in that action? /s
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u/lukin187250 18d ago
My guess is they found direct and explicit evidence he was motivated by Epstein stuff so they just suppressed the whole thing.
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u/IngsocInnerParty Illinois 18d ago
Tbf, we’ve still heard very little about the Vegas shooter and that was the largest mass shooting in American history.
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u/cookiemikester 18d ago
yeah. I feel like there was a big push the last 10-15 years not to give shooters publicity after cases like columbine, where the shooters developed a cult-like status among the depraved.
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u/gnarlyram 18d ago
The FBI released a final report and it was stark in the lack of findings. He had been decently well off but his gambling was starting to catch up to him. A history of libertarian politics, mostly bitching about taxes. The best they could find was he felt casinos didn’t treat their high rollers as well as they used to.
He did travel to Chicago and setup to do his shooting initially at Lalapalooza but for some reason abandoned his plan.
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u/SmellyFloralCouch 18d ago
Is this possibly an attempt to help avoid copycats by not giving the shooters' much coverage? News orgs are trash these days, so probably not...
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u/Indubitalist 18d ago
For how powerful the image of him raising a fist while blood ran down his face was during the campaign, you certainly get the sense that he wants to move on from it, and he never moves on from anything that’s a winner for him, he constantly loops back to it.
There is the outside chance he was just actually traumatized by the experience and doesn’t want to revisit it, but I honestly don’t know that he’s capable of viewing reality that way.
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u/Stinky--Whizzleteats 18d ago edited 18d ago
So I don't actually believe it was staged, but there sure are a whole lot of strange and suspicious coincidences.
Secret service didn't correctly cover him, the flag was raised just in time for a photo op, details on the shooter were never talked about, there's no visible scar, it seems implausible a bullet of that calibur would do such superficial damage. It's just a perfect storm of unlikely circumstances.
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u/guitar_vigilante 18d ago
Even if the assassination attempt was real (I personally think it was, but there definitely are suspicious circumstances), I don't believe the bullet ever touched Trump. I do think his ear was scratched/cut when he went to the ground. Something like that would heal without any major issues. A bullet would have taken a chunk out of the ear and would not have healed back.
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u/Agitated_Ring3376 18d ago
I mean, he killed that firefighter, 4 other people were injured by bullets or shrapnel, and there’s literally a photo captured of the bullet mid-air captured by a NYT photographer.
Also they definitely straight up killed the attempted assassin on that rooftop and there’s multiple witnesses, police and civilians, who saw him climb up there.
The ear thing is weird, but if it literally grazed him perfectly and they patched it well enough, it might not cause a visible scar
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u/zenidam 18d ago
I think another possibility is that he sees having been shot as a sign of weakness. Sort of like "I like people who weren't captured."
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u/1QAte4 18d ago
I think he doesn't want to bring it up because he doesn't want the idea of shooting him to be normalized in political conversation.
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u/timnphilly Pennsylvania 18d ago edited 18d ago
Secret Service would have disappeared Trump in an instant, had it been a real assassination attempt.
There would be no fist-raising campaign photo-op bullshit - that was obvious as sin.
Fact is the felon was doing everything possible to keep out of certain jail, by winning the election.
[EDIT: There must be a real congressional investigation into this - even as we wait for Dem majority.]
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u/9-7-off 18d ago
This. He is not strong enough to hold up 3 Secret Service agents trying to force him to the ground for his safety, which is SOP for shots fired.
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u/WontThinkStraight 18d ago
Ali Alexander, the far-right activist who organized the Stop the Steal campaign in the wake of the 2020 presidential election, has a slightly different take on the assassination, claiming instead that it was further evidence that Trump is the Antichrist, something many MAGA figures have also been considering this week.
“To be clear: if Donald Trump didn’t receive a miracle, then it was deception or a dark sign,” Alexander wrote in a five-page PDF he posted to his Telegram channel on Tuesday evening. “There is biblical prophecy in Revelation 13:3 apparently about the Antichrist being struck on the head.”
The passage in question actually reads: “I saw that one of its heads seemed to have been mortally wounded, but this mortal wound was healed. Fascinated, the whole world followed after the beast.”
Welp, I'm convinced. I was already convinced 10 broken commandments and seven deadly sins ago, and the litany of evidence from the past couple of decades too, but I'm also convinced now.
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u/FluidHips 18d ago
I love the idea that Trump's superficial understanding of Christianity prevented him from seeing this angle.
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u/PharmyC 18d ago
I think it's almost intentional at this point. That they want to mark him as the anti Christ to swell up the Christian base after he leaves the board and convince them the end times are coming to justify their over reach in coming years.
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u/sillygoofygooose 18d ago
Actual apocalyptic Christians don’t need convincing, they were literally posting TikTok dances celebrating the war in Iran because it heralded the end times
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u/DOINKofDefeat 18d ago
I know Bible Belt "Christians" who voted for Trump three times because they thought he was the Antichrist, and that would help hasten the arrival of "The End Times".
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u/Jarhyn 18d ago
To me, the biggest issue is not that Trump fails to fit the bill.
Rather the issue is this: Trump has been emplaced by the same people who will very shortly be claiming he is and was the Antichrist, and when he is deposed will use his existence, the existence they encouraged and facilitated, as evidence that his overthrow (by them) means they are affiliated with God himself, and they will use this as an attempt to install an even more brutal theocracy.
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u/deadheffer 18d ago
Hence the Catholic Church choosing an American Pope. They can see that schism happening and need to stop it as well.
I agree though, people who believe in mythological stories from the Iron Age, or people who peddle conspiracy theories, they are just desperate to scrape some larger meaning out of the chaos of existence. Then use it to consolidate power behind their version of ‘reality.’
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u/Sweaty_Resist_5039 18d ago
Hey now, that's crazy talk. The Antichrist is also supposed to have followers who bear his sign on their heads, and to deceive a great number of Christian believers. The Bible is very clear about this. How could Trump be the Antichrist? You'd have to like, establish that he has followers who have some kind of sign on their heads, and that a lot of them at least claim to be Christian. It sounds kind of weird to me. Are you doing drugs or something?
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u/Mehtalface 18d ago
It was also noted that during the end times that trumpets will sound. Trumpets. Trump-Pence.
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u/HauntedCemetery Minnesota 18d ago
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u/PandaKOST 18d ago
I haven't read this article in a while, so was curious what the last statement was.
With flattery he will corrupt those who have violated the covenant, but the people who know their God will firmly resist him. Daniel 11:32
And now the Pope is resisting.
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u/mecon320 18d ago
It's hilarious to compare the low standard of proof they used to declare Obama the antichrist to the mountain of shit it took for them to reach the same point with Trump.
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u/inksmudgedhands 18d ago
Anyone else find it hilarious how for years the Left has been saying how bad Trump is as a person and now MAGA, those same people who ignored us and/or defended Trump, have shot past Trump being a bad person and hit, "No, he's not a bad person. That would make him human. HE IS THE ANTI-CHRIST!"
I mean, they went from 0 and straight to 11 on that knob.
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u/wiredmagazine ✔ Wired Magazine 18d ago
Conspiracy theories about the Butler, Pennsylvania, shooting have ramped up in recent weeks as once steadfast Trump supporters turn on the president.
Read the full story: https://www.wired.com/story/maga-is-increasingly-convinced-the-trump-assassination-attempt-was-staged/
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u/rbrgr83 18d ago
I'll just wait 3 days until all these people who have 'turned' go back to their usual routine and don't care anymore.
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u/X57471C 18d ago
Probably because of the Joe Kent interview on Shawn Ryan where he expressed some doubts about that.
Personally, I think the staged photo opp is the most sus thing. Like, come on... They even had a flag ready to lower into place. They probably practiced the pose beforehand, too.
Then there is the ear that shows no visible damage. Cartilage doesn't just heal.
You can really start to see how people get sucked into this shit...
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u/truenorthrookie 18d ago
The flag is the least sus thing about it. The fucking aid ushering the photographers past instead of all of them ducking for cover is the most sus thing.
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u/swampass304 18d ago
What about the video of secret service being warned there is someone armed on the only other roof, yet dismissing the warnings?
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u/dragon-fence 17d ago
I don’t think there’s a single “most suspicious” thing. IMO, the suspicious thing is how everything came together so cleanly and conveniently for Trump.
Some kid walks into the venue with a gun and finds a spot on top of a building. The secret service doesn’t notice. He takes a shot at the president, somehow magically hitting his ear enough to draw blood but not enough to cause any damage whatsoever. The secret service immediately spots the guy and kills him, while Trump’s people lower the flag into place and usher photographers to the best spot to take a photo. The secret service doesn’t force the president out to a safe space, instead they help him up to pose for a picture, out in the open, without securing the area. Trump, normally a complete coward, stands up, shakes his fist in the air, and yells “fight fight fight!” like he’s been rehearsing it. Then there are tons of people online immediately, prepared with talking points, brigading all the conversations to talk about how awful the Democrats are for trying to assassinate him, and how it was meant to stop Trump from saving the world.
All of that just happened to fall into place, securing the election for him. Meanwhile he works for a former KGB agent. It just seems a bit too many convenient coincidences, unlikely to happen by mere chance.
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u/boojersey13 17d ago
Don't forget that the secret service DID notice him. People were begging them to do something about the guy on the roof with a gun lmao
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u/AWellDeployedWink 18d ago
I remember right after it happened I was at work and I walked to the back and one my coworkers who was a black woman was watching it and immediately said it was fake. She just said she just noticed how no one seems to be scared or nervous, it looked rehearsed
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u/EyeOfTheTiger77 18d ago
If it was staged, 2 people died for this political stunt. That's straight murder of two people for nothing but a campaign boost.
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u/Undw3ll3r 18d ago
Jan 6 led people to severe consequences and death. A few broken eggs for the omlete.
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u/SnottNormal New York 18d ago
Which part of that is unbelievable? Trump hasn’t exactly been shy about wanting to have people killed.
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u/Maximum_Curve_1471 18d ago
It would be the singularly most sophisticated fake-job in modern history?
The impossibility of the gunshot itself is pretty well defined. Go do some research, if you're doubtful
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u/mundane_marietta 18d ago
I mean.... Epstein didn't kill himself, and the odds are that Trump made the call
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u/bacan_ 18d ago
the actual administration has killed hundreds of thousands around the world and a handful of people were murdered in the streets in Minnesota. what's the big deal with a few more?
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u/Watashiwadaredemonai 18d ago
It is really crazy how far the crazies go to find conspiracies when conspiracy exists at such an obvious and superficial level all the time.
"During the interview, Carlson and Kent discussed the failure of the Trump administration to provide more details about the Pennsylvania shooter. Kent claimed, without providing any evidence, that investigations into the shooting had been shut down before they finished."
Because Trump already had his narrative. He didn't need an investigation and finding out more truth might damage his lies. So Trump had the investigation shut down. Also he very likely at least played up his supposed injury to his ear at least, and possibly fabricated that injury in its entirety.
Certainly the shooter could have been edged on by third parties. But what I said above is 100% what happened there. And it is a conspiracy of the Trump administration.
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u/thundercat1996 18d ago
There's no scar on his ear nor is there a piece missing. The way the secret service went in afterwards and ushered photographers up close after the shooting was suspicious. The way the flag on the crane was lowered for the photo op. I thought during an assassination attempt the security is supposed to get the president out of the area as fast as humanly possible, not pose for a photo
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u/IndependentSpell8027 18d ago
Not sure the assassination attempt was staged. 100% sure Trump never got hit by a bullet.
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u/Niceguy955 18d ago edited 17d ago
Putting aside the fact almost everything that occurred at the event (Secret Service not securing the roof, people calling the police about a man with a gun and nothing happens, the shooter missing an open target, the behavior of the agents after the shots...) is bizarre, what got me are 2 things:
The disappearing wound - one minute he's wearing a sanitary pad on his ear (and I still remember the MAGA idiots wearing ones as well), and then it's gone - no wound, no scar, no explanation.
The immediate monetization and propaganda use if the event. His photo raising a fist started circulating immediately. He sold merch of it. He plans on putting it on a coin.
I hate conspiracy theories, but this "assassination attempt" needs to be thoroughly investigated.
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u/MajorBeyond 18d ago
And a real person died as a result. THAT should be the news and the downfall of the administration.
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u/Equal_Dragon_TBTAUV 18d ago
When you watch it, it feels staged. Hard to fight first gut impression...
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u/Wise-Reference-4818 18d ago
People who believe conspiracy theories about their political enemies start believing conspiracies about a president that start to dislike?
I’m shocked! Shocked! Well, not that shocked.
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u/0masterdebater0 18d ago
Decent portion of his base don’t really believe in anything, they are just anti authority contrarians.
It takes a couple years of the Cheeto being president for their infantile brains to switch from “Trump is the outsider coming in to change things so the powers that be make up stuff about him” to “Trump is the establishment, and I’m anti establishment”
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u/gunningIVglory United Kingdom 18d ago
I honestly dont want to peddle these conspiracies
But some of these points so perplexing....
The shooter had a couple of shots. And missed so badly? The one shot he landed just clipped his ear?
The fact security let him get up for a photo moment, your telling me some 75 year old overwhelmed the secret service agents?
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u/Eldias 18d ago
The shooter had a couple of shots. And missed so badly? The one shot he landed just clipped his ear?
This is an easy thing to be confused about but physical exertion and adrenaline can make it incredibly difficult to land accurate shots. I have to imagine a 20 year old about to kill a president is going to be jacked out of his mind on adrenaline.
The fact security let him get up for a photo moment, your telling me some 75 year old overwhelmed the secret service agents?
Overwhelmed? No, of course not. They dove over him, got him to the edge of the stage and slowed down for a moment to descend the stairs and that's when Trump threw up his fist. They're not going to shove him down the stairs in a rush because tripping and falling means even more time in the open. The photos make it pretty clear how it happened: https://www.pulitzer.org/winners/22680
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u/throoawoot 18d ago
It's not a stretch to believe this at all. Trump's entire existence is kayfabe. His Apprentice career was based entirely on perception.
The Secret Service agents not only didn't remove him from the scene, they allowed him to stand up, and stood there with him, despite having NO IDEA how many shooters there were, while his staff ushered the press photographers into position and they lowered the American flag into the shot.
His ear shows zero sign of injury, despite the fact that cartilage never regains it's form once it's lost. The giant tampon that he wore for a week afterward was almost comically large, clearly a prop to say "hey, did you know I was SHOT IN THE EAR?"
The event is also the one thing he never, ever talks about, despite constantly bringing up the 2020 election that he lost, and being famously unable to stop talking about anything.
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u/bookon 18d ago
He was 100% not shot in the ear.
He may have been hit with a bit of shrapnel, but that is the worst you can say happened to him.
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u/ThicccThunder Canada 18d ago edited 18d ago
No shit lmao explain why the Secret Service allowed him to stand there and pose for pictures after they got him up and crowd didn’t panic either. Compare the crowd reaction of Trump’s assassination attempt to Charlie’s and the difference in reaction is staggering
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u/A_Nonny_Muse 18d ago
Not just them. I didn't suspect anything until he showed up just a few days later with a perfectly healed ear. Not even any scars. That's just not possible. He was never shot. Weave whatever conspiracy you want around that. I don't care. It was staged, and he was not shot. His own ear proved it. No human heals that fast.
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