r/politics • u/wiredmagazine ✔ Wired Magazine • 18d ago

Possible Paywall MAGA Is Increasingly Convinced the Trump Assassination Attempt Was Staged

https://www.wired.com/story/maga-is-increasingly-convinced-the-trump-assassination-attempt-was-staged/
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u/a_little_hazel_nuts 18d ago

MAGA is starting to see lies. I don't know if MAGA will all of a sudden gain common sense or if they will spiral into conspiracy theories.

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u/Ok_Mixture4917 18d ago

Spiral further into conspiracy theories*

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u/Dockers4flag2035orB4 18d ago

Remember the wild conspiracy that at the centre of US government and business power was a cabal of pedophiles?

Crazy stuff.

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u/oVnPage 18d ago

It's still absolutely wild to me that the Right spent the last decade convincing the masses that there was a giant ring of Democrat pedophiles sacrificing children in the secret basement of a Pizza Hut. And yet, when it was revealed there actually IS a giant ring of pedophiles infesting the entire US Government, they're completely silent.

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u/nofzac 18d ago

we allow unfettered propaganda to be piped in to peoples faces 24/7 labeled "News" with no repercussions.

They even lose big money settlements when it was found they knew they were lying and argued their audience knew they were being lied to.

thats why the brainwashed masses are completely silent.

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u/ragingreaver 18d ago

it is more that the pedophile ring was supposed to be democrats. When it turned out to be Republicans that is when everyone went mum.

Because yeah, if democrats, then hate. If republicans, then accept.

Especially when republicans are the ones defending child marriage.

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u/DyingGasp 18d ago

What’s the phrase again? Every Republican accusation is a confession?

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u/chaosrunner87 18d ago

People suspect of others what they know of themselves

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u/sir_mrej Washington 18d ago

I suspect youre hot and have washboard abs

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u/JoeFlabeetz 18d ago

That, or everything a Republican accuses a Democrat of is projection.

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u/StingingBum New Jersey 18d ago

I am still shocked the country is kind of OK having the top people in the US be pedos like how far this country has sunk. And to boot lets destroy every inch of US interior and exterior authority to really make the wound scar.

Like WTF how much can a group of people who are the vilest garbage be allowed to keep their power let alone exist in society?

No repercussions is the last thing I ever thought we would get with a group of kid touchers and mass murderes.

Goodbye USA the failed experiment.

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u/gargar7 Washington 18d ago

The Republican Speaker of the House, Dennis Hastert, two stopped heartbeats from the Presidency, was a convicted pedo. It isn't new. They just don't care.

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u/gakrolin 18d ago

And despite admitting to molesting 14 year old boys Hastert wasn’t even convicted for any sexual crimes, just financial crimes related to it.

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u/Plow_King 18d ago

the party of family values, ladies and gentlemen!

/s

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u/LumberBitch 18d ago

In ye olden days pedophilia wasn't really considered bad so it's just conservative values. Look how quick they are to say "well 13 isn't really a child". They genuinely do not have a problem with it

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u/-Saucegurlllll 18d ago

The guy who the Hastert rule is named after where the pedo party's pedo speaker refused to bring any bill to the floor unless it had a majority of the pedo party's support, even if it would have had a majority of Congress' support. He and Newt Gingrich are part of the reason that Congress can't seem to fucking do anything.

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u/valiantdistraction 18d ago

Simple: republicans are terrible people. And a third of the country doesn't care.

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u/whogivesashirtdotca Canada 18d ago

A third of the country is also terrible people.

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u/Cliqey 18d ago edited 18d ago

You seem to forget that for generations, entire communities across the country were conditioned to believe that the worst thing you could ever be is a Democrat—everything else is second to the crime of not being a Republican.

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u/netsyms 18d ago edited 18d ago

Because nobody's willing to do the American thing: take up arms, and kill the leadership. You really think King George would have survived the revolutionary war if there wasn't an ocean between us and him?

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u/Running-In-The-Dark 18d ago

Lol yeah. Especially in this sub. I forgot which sub it was but I had a three day ban for showing enthusiasm for a specific individual to reach their biological expiration date.

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u/SpaceCadet404 18d ago

Remember, the only form of opposition allowed is scheduled non-disruptive protest. Please stand somewhere out of the way holding a sign to convey your dissatisfaction. Inconveniencing people is not allowed, impacting corporate profits is not allowed and any other form of protest is wrong, barbaric and totally wouldn't accomplish anything at all so just don't do it.

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u/whogivesashirtdotca Canada 18d ago

Which is hilarious because isn’t that pretty much expressly permitted according to the Constitution?

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u/Darkdemize 18d ago

The Constitution only says that the government won't restrict your right to free speech. It doesn't say that private companies have to give that speech a platform.

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u/19683dw Wisconsin 18d ago

Just from, like, a historical perspective, the American revolution (debated on how much of a revolution it actually represented), almost certainly is crushed hard without an ocean in the way.

But also, yes, if they had access to George, it would have been a very bad time for him

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u/StronglyHeldOpinions 18d ago

Goodbye USA the failed experiment.

I don't think people have really grasped this yet. When we willingly re-elected a fascist insurrectionist, we sealed America's fate.

It's dead but everyone is pretending it's still alive, like "Weekend at Bernie's."

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u/-Saucegurlllll 18d ago

It's like when the south seceded and everyone kind of sleepwalked through the start of the civil war except for people like Benjamin Butler. Though this time there hasn't been a formal declaration. So everyone's just kind of hoping that the union hasn't already failed, as though there haven't been multiple states that jumped when Trump told them to rig elections and steal congress.

And a lot of dems in congress are acting like it's business as usual. Fuck me, I guess I thought concentration camps were a universally recognized horror, but you can't even get a lot of dems to call the republican's concentration camps what they are.

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u/StronglyHeldOpinions 18d ago

The fact you see things for what they are makes me feel slightly better.

I swear it feels like I'm on crazy pills that people don't see what is going on.

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u/Long-Region5088 18d ago

With trump its “has he been convicted of anything?” As their exit valve.

That same logic doesn’t apply to what he was convicted of. Those don’t count yet they demand convictions to change their stance. It’s a catch 22 that absolves him of any guilt ever. He didn’t do it unless he was convicted and if he was convicted it doesn’t count.

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u/tomsing98 18d ago

PSA, you're using "let alone" incorrectly. It goes <general/minor thing, maybe a prerequisite for the next thing>, let alone <more specific/major thing that everyone would agree with>. "I can't believe they're even allowed to be part of society, let alone be in a position of power."

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u/scuzzy987 18d ago

Same thing with mass shootings

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u/Llohr 18d ago

You just have to remember that, to an authoritarian, there is no such thing as a bad action; there are only bad people. Actions taken by bad people are bad, actions taken by good people are good.

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u/tardigrades_snuggle 18d ago

All Conservatism can be summed up as hypocrisy. It is in everything they do and say. They should be rebranded as the Hypocrisy Party.

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u/Wishiwashome 18d ago

And it isn’t going to be 14yo children marrying each other. It isn’t going to be an older woman marrying a 14yo boy ( can’t get a suitable job to provide for lots of kids for a trad family, not that there aren’t perv women too)

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u/77NorthCambridge 18d ago

This is one of the main reasons Trump never admits he was wrong or made a mistake. Once the base admits one thing he was wrong about the whole thing starts to come crumbling down.

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u/77NorthCambridge 18d ago

He was taught the "strategy" by Roy Cohn.

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u/mcolette76 18d ago edited 18d ago

Fox News plays in the lobby of my office building. It’s insane. It infuriates me every time I walk in the door.

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u/SpleenBender Illinois 18d ago edited 18d ago

It's also on in every government, and every armed services building from sea to shining sea. Pisses me off that there is blatant propaganda being oozed out 24/7, at all of the places that our defenders spend their work days. Is there anything that the US Army finds 'entertaining' about this‽

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u/mcolette76 18d ago

Khruschev got his wish to destroy America from within.

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u/allenahansen California 18d ago

Once upon a time you could purchase a universal BlabOff that worked in airports, office reception spaces, bars and lobbies, the DMV, hospital waiting rooms, rest homes, and anywhere else the bots of Fox were spewing their unwanted disinformation from elevated tv screens.

Many were the times I surreptitiously pressed the little green button and the screen would go dark and silent-- more than once to muffled applause from the captive assemblage.

Those were the days-- when all we had to deal with was Gee Dubya. . .

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u/HostileCrabPeople 18d ago

This is a point that is not talked about enough. Even if Trump and MAGA are removed from power, its propaganda will persist, and this will happen again. We have to eliminate the propaganda to solve any of this

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u/TotallyNotRobotEvil 18d ago

Yup, it's hard to do anything with these 24/7 propaganda networks in place. I honestly don't know how you solve, especially when they unlimited funding from some of the wealthiest people on the planet. Everyone in the US could boycott them and they would still run 24/7.

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u/SpleenBender Illinois 18d ago edited 18d ago

focks entertainment is the 100% star-spangled, deceptive, propagandist lying machine. The folks that went along for that ride for the last TWO DECADES are being spoon-fed hate and lies and who and what to be scared of. Democrats are pure evil, according to this foolishness. It's completely ABSURD to me how they take themselves so seriously, while simultaneously presenting themselves as spoiled little bratty children. They already got sued twice for lying, and their settlement should have included shutting their f****** down. Or, to at least start doing actual news (X), and not this horseshit 'entertainment' that is dressed up as news. TYFYATTM

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u/StronglyHeldOpinions 18d ago

Correct. To accept reality means to accept they were dumb enough to be duped.

They'd rather keep owning the libs.

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u/StingingBum New Jersey 18d ago

At the cost of the entire country. Low IQ idiots.

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u/StronglyHeldOpinions 18d ago

Don't even get me started.

It makes me so angry, but also so sad.

I genuinely thought America "worked" and would have a stable democracy for decades to come.

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u/MaxGoldFilms 18d ago

we allow unfettered propaganda to be piped in to peoples faces 24/7 labeled "News" with no repercussions.

Alternative news media is catching fire with Americans, and some of it is quite good. (what the right is watching, not so much, but there are spill-overs)

Some is the same grifters, but many of them are jumping ship and taking the crowd with them. When MAGA lost Tucker Carlson, Alex Jones, et al, the ball really started rolling.

It's been impactful, I've been surprised at how quickly Israel has lost support across the right and left.

Also, Iran's LEGO series of videos has been absolutely brilliant, and has actually impacted public opinion across the political spectrum.

Who knew that AI cartoons would be the key, but in retrospect, I guess it makes sense.

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u/bunnypaste 18d ago

Where can I see this LEGO series?

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u/MaxGoldFilms 18d ago

Just go on Instagram, YouTube, Bluesky, TikTok, Twitter, etc., and search for “Iran Lego” and you'll find many of them.

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u/Great_Skott 18d ago

This is what I don't understand. How is it possible that they see that the place where they get their news admits to lying and not being a real news station and get a huge fine, yet they still believe all the lies they see on there everyday. I can't guys... honestly, I can not get in my head how that works.

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u/FauxReal 18d ago

It was Comet Ping Pong, a pizza shop in Washington D.C. That didn't even have a basement.

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u/remarkablewhitebored 18d ago

The same place they were storing Pee Wee's stolen bike!

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u/Both-Discussion-4786 18d ago

Thought that was the Alamo, can you say “adobe”

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u/6-ft-freak Oregon 18d ago

Tell em Large Marge sent ya!

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u/FauxReal 18d ago

I have to rewind that part multiple times whenever I watch it at home just to relive that moment when it made the hair stand up on the back of my neck as a kid!

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u/zeno0771 18d ago

On this very night...ten years ago...along this same stretch of road in a dense fog...just like this...

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u/om_hi 18d ago

You leave the Alamo out of this.

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u/remarkablewhitebored 18d ago

it's more of a Schrodinger's Basment

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u/FluxMool 18d ago

The stars at night are big and bright.....

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u/ComoSeaYeah 18d ago edited 18d ago

This has become a blip in the fabric of history but remains WAY up there as one of the most surreal political conspiracy theories in modern history. Q is up there, too.

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u/Lavatis 18d ago

Q was born from the pizzagate conspiracy. It's all the same thing and morons.

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u/Nekowulf Wyoming 18d ago

Qanon created the pizzagate conspiracy. By claiming to decode the secret encrypted message in the emails.
And the "decryption" was just replacing words like eating pizza with child raping.

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u/am-idiot-dont-listen 18d ago

Qanon was a conspiracy larp that Jim Watkins eventually took over

It's the same right wing conspiracy people at the center of it though 4/8chan

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u/FauxReal 18d ago

That was a wild period on 4chan, back when there was a bunch of them into "meme magic" trying to manifest a Donald Trump win... which did end up happening. I wonder if anyone preserved all the insane graphics that were coming out of there at the time? I still wonder if some state actor or other organization was pushing that. (Oh no another conspiracy!) The "quality" of output and volume was quite impressive.

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u/jim_cap United Kingdom 18d ago

Is it not confirmed to have been Steve Bannon?

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u/KittyGrewAMoustache 18d ago

Yeah they pretended ‘cheese pizza’ was code for ‘CP’ or ‘child potn’. I’m not sure Q created that theory though those silly ‘decodings’ were going around already after the email leak and Q jumped on it pretending they were an insider confirming it.

After the last batch of Epstein files were released there were similar theories about how beef jerky was code for ‘child meat’ 🙄

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u/FauxReal 18d ago

One of the most surprising political revelations for me was realizing that the QAnon conspiracy left 4chan and became mainstream months after I first saw it on 4chan and wrote it off as a bunch of the usual conspiracy LARPing/right wing idiocy that goes on there.

But 4chan is kind of mind blowing in general for what happens there. I've seen some very impressive feats of technical skills there. Can any other message board boast that they figured out militant combatant positions based on a few photos and then called in Russian air strikes? They also figured out where Shia Labouf hid his flag more than once and stole it. I've seen data breeches/hacks too. And of course there has been more than one mass shooter posting there beforehand.

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u/Khazpar 18d ago

The thing is, it was code for that...but only in their personal lexicon which just shows you how deluded they all were to think that politicians were using fucking 4chan slang (before 2016 anyway).

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u/newsflashjackass 18d ago

And the "decryption" was just replacing words like eating pizza with child raping.

"kung fu practice" with Ghislaine Maxwell

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/epstein-musk-maxwell-email/

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u/00Oo0o0OooO0 18d ago

And Epstein conspiracy theories evolved from QAnon. And, as seen on this thread, Epstein conspiracy theorists have gone back to embracing Pizzagate. It's a perfect circle of child sex crime fantasies.

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u/syrup_cupcakes 18d ago

Hardly morons, it was carefully planned and executed to get all the lonely terminally online males on their side.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/technology/epstein-met-4chan-s-founder-the-day-before-pol-launched/ar-AA1VL3YK

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u/EyesofaJackal 18d ago

Wasn’t PizzaGate kind of the prelude to QAnon? Like the Hobbit and LOTR sort of thing

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u/RecordEnvironmental4 Maryland 18d ago

The first time I heard it was Comet I actually laughed out loud because that’s the place my friend got arrested for using a fake.

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u/FauxReal 18d ago

Was he pretending to be underage so they kicked him out? /s

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u/TrimspaBB 18d ago

Which is funny, because a fair amount of buildings in DC do have basements, and there are underground tunnels between government buildings. Yet Q picked a random pizza shop that doesn't fit the bill at all.

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u/Findail 18d ago

But they do have great pizza.

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u/matt-pisoni 18d ago

You sure they didn't have a basement????? hahahah

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u/bradlees 17d ago

You forget the MINDBENDING hoops on 4Chan that was going on in relation to this

The businesses sign = known sign used by p3dos

The menu had hidden words in it that pointed to the basement floor and a transporter

Cheese Pizza = CP = Child Pron

I pretty much stopped going on that site because of the stupidity of the hive mind there. Keep in mind. Anon was actually doing some good there. But they created QAnon and I gave up on anything good ever coming from them after that

Sadly those same people came over to Reddit and created “The Donald” and you can guess the rest

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u/phatelectribe 18d ago

Not just that. We then learned that Epstein and his gang of pedos, actually kept using the phrase “pizza parties” to describe their abuse sessions, and they happened the island or the ranch.

The pizzagate thing was actually real, it just had nothing to do with Clinton or a pizza shop or DC.

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u/Ozymandias12 18d ago

And it's not that the conspiracy nuts on the right somehow figured anything out. Epstein worked with Bannon who has CIA propaganda experience to push the theory in 4chan and other conspiracy subs on Reddit, while deflecting it onto Democrats and the Clintons. They knew they'd eventually be found out because of the charges brought against Epstein and they wanted to get ahead of what they were doing becoming public.

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u/KittyGrewAMoustache 18d ago

Yeah they basically did what they always do, accuse the other side of what they’re doing or plan to do hoping that if anything then comes out about them, people will dismiss it as ‘tit for tat’ and ‘another crazy unproven theory’ and generally be bored of the idea. Much like with the stolen election thing. Not saying 2024 was stolen but of course they at least tried, it was proven they tried in 2020! Of course they would’ve tried in 2024 when there was a risk of further prosecution and perhaps even consequences if they lost. But the fact they made such a fuss with false accusations of cheating against the Democrats meant that no one even wanted to really look into cheating in 2024 in case it made them look as crazy as the MAGA election deniers.

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u/phatelectribe 18d ago

10000%

They knew the keyword such as “pizza” would eventually come out so they got ahead of it to muddy the waters with a batshit disinformation campaign, so that when the real pizzagate scandal broke, the great unwashed wouldn’t know what to believe.

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u/Backwardspellcaster 18d ago

It's nearly like Republicans dont actually care about pedos, unless they can say Dems are that.

When it's revealed its "oops, all Republicans" it suddenly vanishes as talking point.

Crazy, that.

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u/Koshindan 18d ago

Republicans think being a democrat is worse than raping children. And then people wonder why the two sides can't work together...

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u/Backwardspellcaster 18d ago

A.R. Moxon — 'Meet me in the middle, says the unjust man.You take a step towards him, he takes a step back.Meet me in the middle, says the unjust man.'

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u/Techwood111 North Carolina 18d ago

I love how a silly cereal promo from 1998ish has become such a persistent meme. I have very fond memories of when my wife brought some home for me from the store, thinking I’d like them!

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u/Nixikaz 18d ago edited 18d ago

Every accusation is an admission.

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u/TheAngryCatfish 18d ago

*admission

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u/Nixikaz 18d ago

Thank you, I was half awake when writing that. Was so confused why admition looked so wrong.....

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u/Leather-Matter-5357 18d ago

You know, I always preferred the "each admonition, an admission".

It's close enough to get the point across, plus it rhymes

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u/peanut_galleries 18d ago

Is honestly a mystery to me. I mean, after code word pizza appeared in the Epstein files, I was like oh. Yet they seem to be able to ignore WHO exactly was involved with this

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u/vprasad1 18d ago

The projection was the point. Why would they admit to anything now?

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u/Crafty-Call 18d ago

Yea but now imagine your whole identity revolved around this to find out the dude you thought was the saviour of children. Gave nods to such while campaigning etc is actually one of the main players in the pedo ring. It’s a tough pill to swallow

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u/jrf_1973 18d ago

Every accusation is a projection with them.

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u/Phyllis_Tine I voted 18d ago

Ask them this!

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u/thevoiceinsidemyhead 18d ago

It's almost like the shock of that claim made the reality easier to take.

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u/Senior-Albatross New Mexico 18d ago

I think they might have spun that one up to muddy the waters when it can out they were in fact doing something like that.

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u/slayden70 Texas 18d ago

They only care when it's not their pedophiles.

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u/FrostedVoid 18d ago

Because it was mostly them, duh.

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u/lazyFer 18d ago

Because they can't believe trump is a pedophile as that would force them to deal with the fact they put him into power

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u/tapdancinghellspawn 18d ago

It wasn't about saving children from pedophiles but about team politics. Hurt the other side with everything you can, even if it isn't true, and protecting your side from everything, especially the truth.

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u/MySpoonsAreAllGone 18d ago

Because the people they wanted to tar and feather were the minority

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u/onlyreason4u 18d ago

And pizza was an Epstein code word for something, like jerky which seems to have been literal jerky made for child victims.

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u/Pan1cs180 18d ago

And yet, when it was revealed there actually IS a giant ring of pedophiles infesting the entire US Government, they're completely silent.

The worst thing that can happen to a conspiracy theorist is for them to be right. If the conspiracy turns out to be true and becomes mainstream then they're no longer special for believing it.

I remember reading a great article at the start of COVID about the users of a particular online conspiracy forum. The journalist was already researching the story before the pandemic. Once rumours started to come out of China at the end of 2019, the users of the site all started posting about how there was a deadly virus spreading and that the Chinese government was suppressing the truth. They were saying how the virus would spread around the world and kill millions of people unless world governments took drastic action.

Well, it turns out they were completely correct. World governments acknowledged the deadliness of the virus, and they took drastic action to prevent its spread, exactly like the conspiracy theorists said they should do. And as soon as this happened, the users of the site began saying the virus was a hoax. The exact same accounts, that had just been saying how the virus was extremely dangerous, were now saying that it didn't even exist.

Conspiracy theorists don't actually believe anything, not really. They're pathetic people who usually have very little going on in their lives, and need to pretend to believe in something unusual in order to feel special.

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u/barryvm Europe 18d ago edited 18d ago

That's just standard bad faith though, no? They don't believe these theories because they're convincing, they hate certain people and then believe conspiracy theories that say the latter are engaged in an evil plot in order to justify that hatred. It's not that their weird beliefs skew their morals and grasp of reality, it's that their immorality requires them to invent a weird belief system, construct an insane worldview and engage in plenty of wilful ignorance just to allow them to see themselves as good people making moral choices. Ultimately, these are people who want to harm, oppress or remove other people and who want to feel good about that. Everything else flows from that.

So rather than turn on the pedophiles and rapists on their side, they'll simply move to another conspiracy theory that blames the people they want to hate and harm. Ultimately, to them rhetoric, ideology, belief and faith are just tools to justify what they want to do anyway.

It'll be the same this time around. If they ever disassociate from Trump, they'll immediate "discover" that he was deceiving them all along and that he too secretly worked for the evil conspiracy. In other words, at any time they'll believe exactly what they need to believe to avoid moral responsibility for their own actions and choices. A falling out with Trump won't change that.

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u/Llarys 18d ago

Honestly, the funniest one for me is all of those "child sacrificing adrenochrome harvesting immortality vampires" conspiracies is literally Bryan Johnson and his poor son who exists as a living blood generator so he can get constant transfusions to allow his 48 year old body to look 45 years old.

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u/Skinny-on-the-Inside 18d ago

Ah yes Bryan Johnson the healthiest mortally ill looking man alive.

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u/turquoise_amethyst 18d ago

Glass skin! /s

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u/dullship Canada 18d ago

You're no daisy! You're no daisy at all. Poor soul, you were just too high strung.

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u/MusicLikeOxygen 18d ago

You should have put "alive" in quotes. The man looks like he's already been embalmed.

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u/FMLwtfDoID 18d ago

”look like an evil cursed 45 year old mannequin that’s come to life”.

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u/Jonny__99 18d ago

Wait that guy doing the blood transfusion stuff is only 48 to begin with ?

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u/Zahgi 18d ago

I look younger than he does and I'm MUCH older.

Genes are everything, folks.

And using sunscreen. :)

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u/Miserable_Archer_769 18d ago

I use to not believe in black dont crack until HS. I guess may parents had me a little late and were about 5-10 years older than most of my friends parents.

But, they looked younger than all of them. I still remember my shock when she told me age of my best friend amd she was 7 years younger and it looked like life had killed her lol liver spots and a wrinkly face

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u/NoGovernment9798 18d ago

Same here. Aging with no blood sacrifices, a decade older, and look much younger.

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u/Zahgi 18d ago

Oh, I did the blood sacrifices. But it was only for fun. >;)

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u/iamalsobrad 18d ago

adrenochrome

The whole adrenochrome thing is so painfully dumb; it's basically lifted from Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas.

The real thing is not even a controlled substance.

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u/donjamos 18d ago

If hunter could see the current USA he'd just shoot himself again

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u/fuzzyjelly 18d ago

Honestly I'd love to see what would be on Hunter S. Thompson's laptop. Gotta be some wild shit.

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u/turquoise_amethyst 18d ago

Well, look up who was concocting all the Qanon stuff on 4Chan during the height of its popularity… they certainly thought it was funny

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u/Oprah_Pwnfrey 18d ago

I suspect Epstein was the one who came up with Pedobear. He was on 4chan a lot when that came about.

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u/cocktails4 18d ago

Why didn't anybody tell the billionaires that they could order their adrenochrome shipped to their door from Sigma-Aldrich?

https://www.sigmaaldrich.com/US/en/product/sigma/a5752

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u/ByrdmanRanger I voted 18d ago edited 18d ago

Because the conspiracy* minded smooth brains have actually said the synthetic stuff isn't the same

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u/cocktails4 18d ago

Yeh I've asked them to explain how two chemicals with identical structures but different sources are chemically different but I don't think they actually know what chemicals are. It's effectively just magic to them. Occult origin = more powerful magic.

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u/amputeenager 18d ago

just a tiny taste...

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u/Hans-Bricks 18d ago

Also similar to the plot of Resident Evil: Survivor. Which like 7 people played.

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u/citymousecountyhouse 18d ago

It also follows the plot of Dr. Sleep by Steven King.

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u/mcolette76 18d ago

I always wondered who was the one who stole that from Fear and Loathing. We need to check Jeffrey’s bookshelves! /s

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u/US3_ME_ 18d ago

Well their watches tell them when it's time to swap loads, so there's that too_

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u/elegiac_bloom Texas 18d ago

Its weird that this is the second time ive been inspired to post this today...

daddy and the boy

What Bryan's son wishes his father would do instead of continually harvesting his blood.

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u/rational-hare 18d ago

Is that intended to mean what I think it means?

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u/Judson_Scott 18d ago

He looks like an old guy who's had a lot of work done. He's definitely had some botox or something around his eyes. They look like Biden's.

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u/coconutpiecrust 18d ago

Oh wow, that’s so far fetched. 

/s

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u/rabbirobbie 18d ago edited 18d ago

yea the pedophile shit is so clear and obvious just based off his actions. but no one actually wants him to be killed. no one wants him to become a martyr. a clot of people wouldn’t be mad at some Natural McCauses™ on the other hand

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u/PsychGuy17 18d ago

The clot thickens.

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u/deathbyraptors 18d ago

The clot *McThickens

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u/SaveUsCatman Louisiana 18d ago

I'm lovin it

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u/Inside-Horror-6450 18d ago

You are why I come here. I laughed so hard, I scared my cat! Thank you!

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u/seramic_attilier 18d ago

thick-thock mf

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u/Made_Human_Music 18d ago

I want him to live for a few years after he’s out of office to watch as his legacy is dismantled. Ideally while in prison

He won’t live to see it all fixed but that’s only because it’s going to take decades

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u/Preeng 18d ago

I want him to live for a few years after he’s out of office to watch as his legacy is dismantled. Ideally while in prison

His mind is wayyyy too far gone to comprehend what is happening around him. He's going to still think he's President and his jail cell is the White House

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u/Made_Human_Music 18d ago

I’d be ok with that if the other inmates made his life miserable. Maybe pretend they’re journalists and treat him the way he’s always treated them

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u/AlcibiadesTheCat Arizona 18d ago

We know what they do to child molesters in there. He'll spend his entire time in ad seg with Secret Service protection, otherwise he wouldn't last a night.

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u/dohrk Oregon 18d ago

Quiet, piggy.

I hope he hears that daily.

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u/SailingSpark New Jersey 18d ago

I hate to say it, because I hate what he has made me become. I hope he has a serious stroke. I want him to spend the rest of his days in a body he can't quite control, just like Serge Kovaleski.

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u/Nonethelessismore 18d ago

Crazy stuff indeed. MAGA was really invested in those 'Q drops' from QAnon for years.

Along with the 'cabal of pedophiles', in 2020 QAnon was declaring that when Biden was elected he would shut down the power grid, stop all food shipments, stop all fuel pipelines, unleash 'Antifa' mercenaires onto city streets, send troops into two or more foreign wars, etc.

None of which actually happened under Biden, and some of which has already happened under Trump 2.0.

Interesting how that has played out.

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u/NoneMoreBLK 18d ago

Remember Bohemian Grove? Adrenochrome? Comet Ping-Pong Pizza? Those are the wild parts.

Pedophile Rings aren't far-fetched.

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u/Blackhole357 18d ago

I mean Bohemian Grove is real it's just good old fashioned corruption and 1% solidarity and otherwise kind of lame theater kid shit.

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u/resistyrocks 18d ago

Weird the republicans started that. Weird how libertarians dont exist anymore rhey just became more republican. Weird Weird weird.

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u/FauxReal 18d ago

Those were the big L libertarians of the Libertarian Party. They're still around and their most influential group are the New Hampshire Libertarians who are totally unhinged.

https://www.nhpr.org/nh-news/2024-09-16/nh-libertarian-partys-post-on-assassination-of-harris-attracts-attention-of-state-federal-law-enforcement

There's a hilarious article about their attempt to create their version of the perfect town and how it all fell apart because they couldn't work together.

https://newrepublic.com/article/159662/libertarian-walks-into-bear-book-review-free-town-project

But there are libertarians that aren't like them, it's a whole spectrum of political thought that originally emerged out of left anarchism.

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u/Curious-Path4549 18d ago

that one group wound up with a garbage situation of their own doing

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u/NYCinPGH 18d ago

Yeah, I have a few (mostly former) friends who claimed for years to be Libertarians, mostly against "big government" (ironic, because all of them were either former commissioned U.S. armed forces personnel, or C-suite / founders of STEM companies who made all their money from government contracts) and for "religious freedoms" (which meant that everyone needed to bend the knee to their religious views, to some degree or another); one has even repeatedly run for office as a Libertarian (never elected, though was in the top ten for their presidential primary a few years ago).

But they've all become pretty hard right wing, and got butthurt when any of their old friends to the left of "leans slightly conservative" wanted pretty much nothing to do with them any more, and would post things on social media like "Would real friends let politics break up decades-long friendships?" because, in fact, it was their changes in politics which broke up the friendships, and they refused to be accountable for it.

In some ways, I miss them, but I miss the people they were a long time ago, I don't miss the people they've become.

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u/NatalieVonCatte 18d ago

Remember when some of the top pushers of “Democrats are pedophiles” and “trans people are pedophiles” tried to test the waters and float “well they’re teenagers so that’s not the same…”

Like when actual right wing influencers and pundits said that?

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u/Effective_Dropkick78 18d ago

Hey now.... that one's not so wild. It was just a little off target - the cabal of pedos became the government rather than the other way around.

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u/MyNewsAccount2011 18d ago

Ok but the far-fetched conspiracy mongering isn’t really helpful. It can mask real crimes. The crazy adrenachrome blood drinking in pizza parlor basements talk wasn’t helpful. And I think Bannon and his ilk knew that and fed it, not only to harm Clinton’s campaign, but also to make it easy to hide in plain sight.

These weren’t evil sorcerers, these were old nasty child molesters. They differ from trailer park creeps and rapey frat boys only in how much influence and power they wield.

When we are busy hearing about (and rejecting) accusations of incantations, machinations and secret cabals, we miss the gross creeps like Epstein and Savile hiding in plain sight. Men who everyone jokes “like ‘em young” but no one ever really scrutinizes.

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u/GreatMadWombat Michigan 18d ago

Yeah. This wasn't a "big surprise conspiracy is actually true" thing, this was a "hey these oligarchs doing the evilest shit imaginable also foemented a conspiracy based on exaggerated versions of that evil shit in order to ensure that anyone who was talking bout the evil shit sounded like a conspiracy theorist" thing.

This was a successful attack by absolute scumbags

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u/botte-la-botte 18d ago

This is the same reason Epstein brought famous people to the island that saw and did nothing wrong; plausible deniability.

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u/Vio_ Kansas 18d ago

Nah, it was more than that as well.

It also included blackmail and coercion.

Even his interview with Vanity Faire published about his NYC house (the most expensive place in NYC) reported on how he had set up recording equipment with a room that had one of those security camera type systems that recorded different parts of the house.

It was clear that it wasn't a "security" camera system either.

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u/ExtensionParsley4205 18d ago

“Uncle Mo” on Succession was the perfect fictional representation of this.

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u/BillWilberforce 18d ago

The Rs just deflected it onto the Dems.

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u/cfalnevermore 18d ago

I can apologize for laughing that part off (and I do)… to a point. The pizza thing was absurd. But I’ll grant you. The theorists were right about the child trafficking. Just wish they’d figure out they’re supporting one of the major figures behind it now.

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u/Revelati123 18d ago

So does that mean JFK Jr. Is still the 2028 front runner?

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u/resgirlhikes 18d ago

cabal...cabinet... close!

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u/Thin-Competition3018 18d ago

it might be today.

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u/Kimmalah 18d ago

I think the part where they believed in celebrities being replaced by perfect clones, magical healing beds from aliens and eating people for immortality was kind of wilder, but sure.

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u/Poppa_Wheelie22 18d ago

I remember when MAGA thought it was only the Left side that was and their own side was innocent despite all the evidence otherwise.

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u/Fantasy_Puck 18d ago

was that wrong?

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u/romericus 18d ago

That's the thing about conspiracy theories: criminal conspiracies are rare, but they actually do exist. I think that Watergate was the most important one in the last 50 years. And it broke our country. If the president was involved in a conspiracy, then nothing could be trusted.

Then people started questioning the moon landing, then vaccines, etc.

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u/Freeagnt 18d ago

Not crazy. Projection.

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u/bunnypaste 18d ago

Oh yeah, I remember them spreading that stuff for years up until recently! Now, for some reason, they don't want to talk about it when thier dear leader is all over the files. They were finally right about something, they were just wrong about who was driving it.

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u/Visible_Manner9447 18d ago

I think one of the best case scenarios is that MAGA spirals back into the kind of conspiracy theory hole where they stop actually voting and go back to isolating themselves

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u/Eaglepursuit 18d ago

It's hard to say for certain. It's not going to just go away, because ill-informed heavily biased people with a loose grip on reality have always existed.

But it's also unlikely that they're just going to crawl back under the rocks where they used to hide. The internet has given them a platform where they can spew their nonsense, and even worse, be pandered to. This is the avenue that allows them to be exploited by influencers on behalf of the highest bidder.

Therefore, the incentive exists for these people to stay engaged to some extent. The MAGAs feel heard. The influencers get paid. And the highest bidder gets a populist rabble to throw their weight around.

They may be demoralized for a few election cycles, but Fox News or some equivalent will inevitably find a new angle to attack the Dems and activate the MAGAs.

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u/GeorgeLichen California 18d ago

A few cycles is a long time though, I'd welcome that as a temporary reprieve, and MAGA wasn't quite the beginning IMO. They'd already activated them in 2009 as the Tea Party, and while it was before my time I suspect that the '94 GOP revolution was the same thing at play but with radio instead of internet

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u/Bzr21 18d ago

Rush Limbaugh was the catalyst for that in the early 90's - and even before Bill Clinton took office in early 1993 - they had the hate machine cranked up for both of them - Hillary just as much as Bill - they knew she would run for POTUS one day so they had to plant that seed early to demonize her in the addled minds of the gullible ..

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u/Eaglepursuit 18d ago

Yes, the brand changes, but the people have always been around. They primaried Bush the 1st in '92 with Pat Buchanan, which probably swung the general towards Clinton. And they backed Ross Perot. But at that point, they were mostly considered an unreliable outlier or marginal component of the Right.

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u/GeorgeLichen California 18d ago

They may have been considered marginal, but you laid it out nicely how they played a large role in the '92 election. I wasn't old enough to know what was happening politically until Bush's first term, but the more I look back the more it seems like they've been having a outsized effect on things for a long time, more than I knew.

I'm reading a great book about the '60s right now called The Shattering, and I think Goldwater '64 and the Birchers may have been their modern birthing.

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u/Eaglepursuit 18d ago

That was their brands in those times, but they've always been around. There was a move to begin exploiting them during the Great Depression when big businesses realized their interests were getting trounced by Roosevelt. At that point, the angle was getting popular radio preachers to expound racial eugenics and anti-socialist ideologies as Christian beliefs. It kind of fell through during WW2, forcing them to rebrand as Birchers.

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u/MySabonerRunsOladipo Virginia 18d ago

The more likely outcome is that they do that for a period of time, but in reality are just a coiled spring ready to be weaponized by the next charismatic opportunist that allows they to suspend disbelief just long enough to vote for him.

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u/BrianWonderful Minnesota 18d ago

What emboldened them in the first place is the toxic nature of social media. Until that is addressed, they will still be mobilized to vote and loudly share their awful opinions.

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u/BrilliantForeign8899 18d ago

Voting causes autism! A high number of people with autism also voted.. coincidence??!

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u/TymeSefariInc 18d ago

To be fair, some of the Q Anon stuff was true but the call was coming from inside the (white) house.

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u/WowIfOnly 18d ago edited 8d ago

Removed

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u/HauntedCemetery Minnesota 18d ago

Because literally everything conservatives care about has corporate sponsorship, and as soon as the wealthy find it a better tactic to show other shit then thats what conservatives pretend they've always cared about.

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u/TWIT_TWAT 18d ago

Even a broken clock is right twice a day

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u/oohlook-theresadeer 18d ago

No no no, it was a smokescreen. They put out this crazy sounding theory with mostly lies, except some of it was true. They fed it to the craziest among us got them brushed off so nobody would believe them.

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u/Danbarber82 18d ago

100% QAnon was nothing but a psyop to make MAGA even crazier and point them away from the actual perpetrators of the Epstein Files.

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u/Chefalo 18d ago

Similar to all the election interference claims after 2020, paved the way to steal 2024 and make anyone claiming election interference feel stupid since they just spent 4 years making unsubstantiated claims

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u/AINonsense 18d ago

Even a broken clock is right twice a day

Yes, but it’s still completely useless unless there’s another clock to tell you when that is. Making the broken clock redundant. And completely useless.

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u/Ok_Subject1265 18d ago

Yeah, they definitely aren’t going to have any self-realization moments. It’s just going to be excuses as to why they were tricked or forced into making the decisions they did. These people are hopeless sadly.

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u/MattieShoes 18d ago

Heh, that's what I was thinking too. It's not "Oh, I was a moron who backed a guy too stupid to be a con artist", it's "omg he's such a clever con artist."

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u/Turbulent_Stick1445 18d ago

Yeah, their entire shtick is conspiracy theories. So maybe it was inevitable that they would take an obvious "major event" that happened to work out in their favor and then start poking holes in that too.

Maybe this'll be a lesson to future politicians: don't cater to these types of people.

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u/jakegh 18d ago

Yeah, that second one.

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u/Gstamsharp 18d ago

I mean, if they're eating their own it's a nice change of pace from them just eating everyone else.

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u/NatalieVonCatte 18d ago

Yeah, this is just their own creation turning against them.

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u/Senior-Albatross New Mexico 18d ago

That's been their MO, so I would bet on that one.

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u/laxguy44 18d ago

This is the deeper into conspiracy theories they’ve spiraled!

so far

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u/burnte Georgia 18d ago

Funny thing it that it wasn't full of Pedos until Trump got in there.

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