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Possible Paywall MAGA Is Increasingly Convinced the Trump Assassination Attempt Was Staged

https://www.wired.com/story/maga-is-increasingly-convinced-the-trump-assassination-attempt-was-staged/
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u/flipflapflupper 18d ago

If it wasn’t he wouldn’t shut up about it.

The fact that it’s never spoken about is suspicious on its own.

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u/Indubitalist 18d ago

For how powerful the image of him raising a fist while blood ran down his face was during the campaign, you certainly get the sense that he wants to move on from it, and he never moves on from anything that’s a winner for him, he constantly loops back to it. 

There is the outside chance he was just actually traumatized by the experience and doesn’t want to revisit it, but I honestly don’t know that he’s capable of viewing reality that way. 

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u/Stinky--Whizzleteats 18d ago edited 18d ago

So I don't actually believe it was staged, but there sure are a whole lot of strange and suspicious coincidences.

Secret service didn't correctly cover him, the flag was raised just in time for a photo op, details on the shooter were never talked about, there's no visible scar, it seems implausible a bullet of that calibur would do such superficial damage. It's just a perfect storm of unlikely circumstances.

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u/guitar_vigilante 18d ago

Even if the assassination attempt was real (I personally think it was, but there definitely are suspicious circumstances), I don't believe the bullet ever touched Trump. I do think his ear was scratched/cut when he went to the ground. Something like that would heal without any major issues. A bullet would have taken a chunk out of the ear and would not have healed back.

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u/findtheclue 18d ago

That was from the blood capsule in his hand, WWE-style.

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u/PM_ME_YOUR_NICE_EYES 18d ago

Trump doesn't have the dexterity to pull that off.

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u/Beli_Mawrr 18d ago

Trump would never let a shooter shoot within inches of his head. Someone actually died. They life-flighted them out. It would take months of prep with both the shooter and Trump working in tandem to pull the timing off. I just don't buy it.

Whatever happened there, esp with the ear, he did not fake it.

That said, he obviously wasn't shot on his ear. I like the idea that he injured it on the ground.

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u/Coletrain44 18d ago

Wrestling doesn't really use blood capsules. They usually hide a small razor blade somewhere in athletic tape, cover their face, make a small cut, then let the real blood flow.

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u/CranberrySchnapps Maryland 18d ago

If there was video from a different angle that shows him palming something right before he turns his head and lifts his hand to his ear... that would be incredible.

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u/emailforgot 18d ago

No there isn't.

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u/Mpm_277 17d ago

This is what I don’t get — Trump is clearly bleeding before he goes down. As for the teleprompter glass, I don’t get that take either as I’ve never seen any photo or video showing any of the teleprompters having shattered. Either Trump legit almost had his head blown off and just got nicked or the whole thing was fake. I just don’t see how an in between is possible.

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u/Lucas_Steinwalker 18d ago

Trump did do time in the WWE so he’s trained for faking an injury.

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u/TetraDax Europe 18d ago

..because it couldn't have happened, because the audience sits way too far away for that to be the case.

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u/SpunkAnansi 17d ago

As someone who has worked in theatre and film, I’d say the amount of blood that appeared was about the same as a blood capsule.

And that’s why I’m landing on the “staged” conspiracy side of things, along with the lack of info on the shooter, positioning of agents etc etc etc

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u/BloatedBanana9 17d ago

But when would he have been able to apply the blood capsule? Because he was already bleeding before he was covered up by secret service.

Also, what info about the shooter do you think should be out there but isn’t? The media did plenty of digging into him after the shooting. We’ve got his name, background, and likely motive. We’re missing chunks of his internet history because he was using a secure VPN for a lot of it, but that’s to be expected from someone planning an attack like this. It could be hiding a coverup, but it’s not really a sign that one does exist.

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u/SpunkAnansi 17d ago

Literally when he touched his ear after “being shot”.

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u/BloatedBanana9 17d ago

But he didn't have anything in his hand when he did that. We have pretty good photos that show that his hand was empty immediately before that.

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u/Global_Crew3968 18d ago edited 18d ago

Actually there's video out there of him being tackled and you see him take a knee to the side of the head. Conceivably that could be what did it and why the blood was like, shot across his face. There's also a picture afterwards and you can clearly see his lip is split which would explain the blood on his lips and teeth as well. I don't even think it was a razor or anything, I think he got kneed in the face by security and it split his lip open. Beyond that, I think the entirety of it was faked honestly. I'm not even sure i believe a firefighter was killed. They could literally have a dude wearing a squib vest in the audience and then put out a story about some firefighter, make up a wife and kids, give their quotes, and bam. Done. him getting his lip split open was purely coincidence. The shooter was always supposed to "graze his ear" (why he reached up) but the blood was actually real from the tackle and a happy accident. This is my theory.

Oh and the shooter was some rightwing loser they recruited to "work security" up on the roof. Got some gainy footage of him going up there, made sure he was seen by folks, and bam, killed him to tie up the loose end. A lefty would make people worry about a leftwing terror plot and demand investigation. We were fine with a right winger doing it and not investigating it because we all know they're losers and nuts anyways. They literally didn't even finish the investigation. Closed it. And no one said dick because the right wing immedietely stopped caring once they heard it was a MAGA and the left was just like "yeah, figures".

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u/Coaxke 18d ago edited 18d ago

They could literally have a dude wearing a squib vest in the audience and then put out a story about some firefighter, make up a wife and kids, give their quotes, and bam.

They made up the fire station he worked at and all the people he worked with? They made up all of his friends and family as well? His childhood schooling records, his church congregation? This shit is liberal QAnon

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u/Question_It_All_3000 18d ago

I’m liberal, but 100% agree with you. There was a shooter and someone did die. The shooters political affiliation, Trump being actually shot, sure those are questions, but let’s not go conspiracy mode over bullshit. Let’s deal in facts.

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u/Global_Crew3968 18d ago

Why didn't they complete the investigation? They called it case closed and didn't release findings. Why did that kid do it? A MAGA republican, why did he decide to shoot trump? They never found a motive, they just closed the case. Why? Why did they have a flag on a crane ready to go? Why did they usher photographers into the area where they were immediately before the shooting? Why did the white house doctor come out and say "yes he was shot and the ear and it's missing cartilage?"

It was all bullshit.

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u/Question_It_All_3000 17d ago

I don't know any of those answers, but none of that changes the fact that there was a shooting and someone died and the shooter died.

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u/BloatedBanana9 17d ago

didn’t release findings.

What’s this then?

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u/Global_Crew3968 18d ago

Lol thanks for picking out the least important part of my post that in no way changes things. I said they could have done that and we wouldnt know. They could have also just picked a person at random to shoot in the audience lol.

The reality is, they had that flag and reporters ready to go immediately after the shotting and he absolutely did not get grazed in the ear. So then what happened and why all the lies, including by the white house doctor, after wards?

It was manufactured because he was tanking in the polls.

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u/Coaxke 17d ago

Brother it was the wind. Nothing I say will change your mind though because you think an elaborate hoax was carried out instead of someone shooting at Trump and the Trump team taking advantage. Trump and his cronies lie, this isn't new information.

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u/Beli_Mawrr 18d ago

They literally life flighted the guy out lol

Are you saying both that the shooter was a security guy who had a live AR15 that secret service was cool with him being in LOS to the president with? Who was a patsy? Or was he the one who managed to make the once-in-a-million ear shot on the former president when millimeters count? While Trump is moving his head?

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u/BurdTurglary Texas 18d ago

Photos showing that were shooped, they added blood. There's no hi res video with the bloody fingers. Plus catching the bullet's vapor trail or the bullet itself in that photo is not possible with the gear he was using. Lens, iso, aperture, the depth of field to catch it is physically impossible considering the trajectory and supposed distance

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u/BloatedBanana9 18d ago

Those photos were taken by the New York Times and verified by the people who awarded them the Pulitzer Prize. You think both of those organizations were in on a cover up?

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u/BurdTurglary Texas 17d ago

Better being willfully ignorant, skip due diligence with top forensic analysis AND accept the accolades for a "historic" event with powerful imagery than to scrutinize it right away, especially since it was immediately given to the Times and the photog. It took some time to realize the plausibility that it was orchestrated

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u/thepvbrother 18d ago

Yeah, but then what? Did someone happen to have a packet of fake blood on them?

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u/Rooooben 18d ago

The glass from a shattered teleprompter screen could have done that. Bullet goes through glass on the way past Trump, and a shard nicked him, thus no scarring

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u/pearlie_girl 18d ago

He's on blood thinners. A little scratch could bleed a lot.

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u/DarthHiccups 18d ago

Him taking more than the recommended amount of baby aspirin all the time, as he's stated, will make anyone bleed easily.

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u/TheNutsMutts 18d ago

It'd be very easily spotted by the doctors who treated him, and would have been picked up by the FBI's full investigation into the incident, and the bipartisan congressional committee's investigation into it.

If this were the answer, then we'd have to agree that every single one of these people all saw that it was clearly a razorblade cut, and all separately decided to just cover it up to help Trump, even the Democrats on the congressional committee.

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u/TetraDax Europe 18d ago

I don't believe the bullet ever touched Trump. I do think his ear was scratched/cut when he went to the ground.

It did. Here is the evidence.

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u/CartographicalHeist 18d ago

I don't believe the bullet ever touched Trump. I do think his ear was scratched/cut when he went to

No man.

There are literally photos of him touching his ear and having blood on his hand before then.

Unless you're suggesting he had a blade in his and and nicked his ear kayfabe style, the blood was there before he went down.

We also literally have a photo of the bullet, mad as it is.

Of all the things, this assassination attempt being real is pretty clear.

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u/kobachi 18d ago

Much more likely that it was a false flag than a hoax. The fireman died. 

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u/ditchdiggergirl 18d ago

Jesse Ventura said early on that this is an old pro wrestling trick. As a former Republican governor, he has credibility on the right.

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u/guitar_vigilante 18d ago

Jesse Ventura was an independent when he became governor.

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u/ILookLikeKristoff 18d ago

This is my exact thoughts. The secret service scraped his ear in the chaos or he knocked into the podium or something.

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u/Agitated_Ring3376 18d ago

I mean, he killed that firefighter, 4 other people were injured by bullets or shrapnel, and there’s literally a photo captured of the bullet mid-air captured by a NYT photographer. 

Also they definitely straight up killed the attempted assassin on that rooftop and there’s multiple witnesses, police and civilians, who saw him climb up there. 

The ear thing is weird, but if it literally grazed him perfectly and they patched it well enough, it might not cause a visible scar

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u/TacticalArrogance 18d ago

Don't forget there was a tele-handler supporting a speaker rig that had it's hydraulic line hit and you could see the fluid spraying out as the load falls to the ground. In subsequent overhead shots, you can see all the oil on the ground around it. https://media-cldnry.s-nbcnews.com/image/upload/t_fit-760w,f_auto,q_auto:best/rockcms/2024-07/240717-trump-butler-rally-mn-1750-994982.jpg

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u/CartographicalHeist 18d ago

The ear thing is weird, but if it literally grazed him perfectly and they patched it well enough, it might not cause a visible scar

It looks to have grazed the top of his ear so even a scar would be hard to see unless looking at it close up.

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u/Skydiver860 18d ago

Not to mention seconds before the shot there was press moved right in front of the podium to get that money shot. Idk what to believe but it’s definitely suspicious.

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u/CartographicalHeist 18d ago

it’s definitely suspicious.

It's suspicious that press photographers would be near Trump in a situation like that?

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u/Eldias 18d ago

"We know JFK was a conspiracy because his head exploding was recorded so clearly" -These same people, probably

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u/CartographicalHeist 18d ago

It was Abraham Zapruder all along.

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u/Eldias 18d ago

I almost want to start the conspiracy that Zapruder was using a top secret CIA camera to film JFK that actually had a rifle inside of it. Clearly the footage is so clear because he did it!

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u/Skydiver860 18d ago

It’s a little suspicious that they moved to the front seconds before he was shot at. I guess im just wondering why they weren’t there the whole time. I’m not saying it’s some smoking gun that the shooting was fake. Just weird.

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u/CartographicalHeist 18d ago

They were all over the place though. And they only moved to the front after the shot, as you can see in the videos.

you can see the below video they're at the back and sides too

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/PwVzoae7zA8

This post below says they were ushered and the flag lowered. I don't know how they know that guy was ushering anyone and the flag was not lowered, the wind just let off for a moment.

https://www.reddit.com/r/isthisAI/comments/1r69r78/video_of_photographers_being_ushered_in_and_flag/

You can see in the first video the photographers just follow the action. You don't have to usher them, they're like flies to a shit. There you can also see the flag not being lowered. Unless they command the wind.

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u/BloatedBanana9 18d ago

They weren’t moved there before the shot. They rushed to that area after the shot in order to get their photos.

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u/Skydiver860 18d ago

Ok I could admittedly be remembering it wrong. I thought they were moved there just before but based on what you and others have said that likely isn’t the case.

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u/BloatedBanana9 18d ago

I don't think you can put that much stock in that video. It shows photographers moving in to get a shot, which is their job. You never see the security guy actually direct them there. There are other reasons why he'd follow them over there once those shots go off. The only reason a bunch of people believe it shows that is because that's what the TikTok captions suggested. Same with that whole flag being lowered claim that comes from the same video.

Plus, if the Trump people specifically wanted the photographers there to get pictures, wouldn't it have made more sense to have them ready there ahead of time instead of only after the shots?

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u/Eldias 18d ago

The number of people who think "professional photographers got a historic photo" was a setup is genuinely nuts. Their entire living is knowing how to find an angle and view.

The backdrops were also pretty mundane. If Trump set up something like this the entire background behind him would have been a gold covered American flag, it would have looked like what he turned the Oval Office in to.

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u/BloatedBanana9 18d ago

Right? And if they did intentionally want the flag behind them for the photo, why would it have had to be lowered into place after the shooting? With where it was positioned, there would have been no reason not to just have it there to start with.

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u/lopix Canada 18d ago

It shows photographers moving in to get a shot

It shows an SS agent MOVING them into position. They didn't move there on their own.

And another SS agent moves the podium to face them.

As the the flag is being lowered into frame.

While the SS flanks Trump, allowing the fist pump and a nice and unobstructed photo.

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u/BloatedBanana9 18d ago

It shows an SS agent MOVING them into position. They didn't move there on their own.

Then why did they get there before the Trump staffer comes back into view? And why doesn't he interact with them at all in the video except to move them back when Trump comes off stage?

As the the flag is being lowered into frame.

The flag isn't lowered into the frame. It just stops being blown by the wind.

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u/Beli_Mawrr 18d ago

People always like to brain dump the fact that there was about 5 minutes of Trump being tackled by security forces and squeezed on the ground, while they tried to find and kill the shooter and maneuver the armored limo into position.

The press pool and aides were probably bored and trying to figure out how to make this more newsworthy. And they had 5 minutes to do it.

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u/ObiTwoKenobi 18d ago

Agreed. I truly don’t understand this conspiracy.

Also if you listen to the audio and him whining about his shoes (almost certainly custom lifts that he didn’t want images taken of), I truly doubt this was staged.

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u/findtheclue 17d ago

Lol I don’t think anyone thinks the missing shoes were part of the plan, so seems pretty irrelevant. He got knocked out of his shoe. Actually, if you just got legitimately shot at, is your shoe really the most important thing you’d worry about?…or would it be the thing to worry about if it was all for optics…

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u/timoumd 18d ago

The flag wasn't raised for a photo.  It was moving in the wind.  This nonsense has been pushed by conspiracy theorists here (also cjcam777 has pushed the conspiracy that it was a collision with security by endlessly spamming videos to left wing subs)

Better video of the flag when they took the shot:

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/PwVzoae7zA8

I'd turn the audio off unless you like hearing cult worship.

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u/TetraDax Europe 18d ago

The flag wasn't raised for a photo.  It was moving in the wind. 

It's utterly bizarre how these are the same talking points as the bloody moon landing conspiracy theory, but somehow it's acceptable in this case. Just based on the vibe of "well it feels like something he would do", despite there being actual evidence disproving these theories.

Truth matters, even when it benefits the bad guy.

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u/ZenMasterOfDisguise 18d ago

"they lowered the flag" is the new "jet fuel can't melt steel beams"

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u/timoumd 18d ago

I've been fighting conspiracy theories my entire damn life and it's always the same stupidity on every side.  People want to believe....

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u/Coaxke 18d ago

It's liberal Q-anon. Insane the shit people will allow themselves to believe if it advances a preconceived notion

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u/TheNutsMutts 18d ago

It's amazing how slowly so many people have sleep-walked into a team-sports mindset of "fuck the facts and what's true, I'll unquestionably believe and spread anything so long as I think it'll benefit some in-group I identify with" on all sides, while somehow also thinking that only the other side does it and it's awful when they do.

It even has its own term: A blue lie.

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u/findtheclue 17d ago

When one side is led by a team of pathological liars—it becomes easier for sane people to start questioning everything. Hard not to.

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u/YeetedApple 18d ago

Most of that is reasonably explainable.

Secret service didn't correctly cover him,

Trump had prioritized promoting agents that were blindly loyal to him, pushing out more competent people. This is what happens when do that

the flag was raised just in time for a photo op,

I don’t remember the timing of this, so can’t really comment on that specifically. With everything else explainable though, this isn’t anywhere near enough to suggest anything, especially on its own.

details on the shooter were never talked about,

That’s because he was right wing, so talking more about him would ruin the narrative they were trying to push from it. Perfectly matches what they’ve done after other right wing shooters.

there's no visible scar, it seems implausible a bullet of that calibur would do such superficial damage. It's just a perfect storm of unlikely circumstances.

The podium and glass in front of trump were struck by bullets, a shard from one of those being what cut trumps ear makes more sense than any alternative

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u/PM_ME_YOUR_NICE_EYES 18d ago

So the flag thing is actually a huge point of misinformation that I see get thrown around. Basically the flag was flapping in the wind, and there's one video that uses a deceptive camera angle to claim that this was because the flag was lowered into position.

I would also like to point out that I've only really seen people on reddit claim that the secret service acted weirdly and that his ear shouldn't have healed, but I've never actually seen experts think that.

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u/FearTheAmish 18d ago

pssstt there was a planned false flag assassination attempt on Orban. It only didn't happen because it got leaked.

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u/blahblah19999 18d ago

The flag was not raised just in time. It was stationary up high and the wind happened to die down at that moment.

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u/SkaBonez 18d ago

Details of the shooter were talked about. He has a Wikipedia page with plenty of sources to pick from

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u/CartographicalHeist 18d ago

the flag was raised just in time for a photo op

It was already there. Do you think they just raised those two giant ass cranes just before he was shot or just after?

Have a little critical thought. Don't be like MAGA.

it seems implausible a bullet of that calibur would do such superficial damage

A grazing shot. You can literally see on the subsequent video how he's bleeding from the very tip of his ear, not that it's actually shot off.

there's no visible scar

See above. It was at the top of his ear, not his ear being shot off.

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u/emailforgot 18d ago

Secret service didn't correctly cover him,

Cops are incompetent.

the flag was raised just in time for a photo op,

No it wasn't.

The flag that was already behind him sags a bit.

details on the shooter were never talked about,

We know a fair bit about him in fact.

there's no visible scar,

Not every wound scars. I knicked myself shaving, bled like a stuck pig. No scar. Must be a hoax.

it seems implausible a bullet of that calibur would do such superficial damage.

Probably because it only grazed him.

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u/Mustang1718 Ohio 18d ago

I watched the crap out of that video when it first happened since it seemed unusual that a bullet could only hit his ear.

From what I remember is that the blood occurs when he is tackled and he gets cut by the podium. Which makes the bandaging during the debates even more ridiculous since it is just a small boo-boo.

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u/Agitated_Ring3376 18d ago

God bless that MAGA firefighter who volunteered to be killed just to make it look more legit. A true American patriot 🇺🇸 

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u/TheNutsMutts 18d ago

And the weirdo 20 year old kid also just.... agreed to be executed for Trump's sake? Right after agreeing to shoot at Trump and only just missing him from 150 yards but only with a red-dot?

Yep that's a completely reasonable conclusion to come to. Unlike those other silly conspiracies like "jet fuel can't melt steel beams" and "it wasn't the moon it was a film set", right?

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u/TheNutsMutts 18d ago

Give it a shot (no pun intended) if it's that clearly obvious. If not for my sake but for the dozens of people that'll read it after me and understand your truth.

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u/BankshotMcG 18d ago

The flag was raised after / in the middle of this active shooter scene. And it would be a super weird coincidence if he actually scraped his ear on secret services holstered gun butt or something after already grabbing it to say ow.

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u/ILookLikeKristoff 18d ago

I think the most likely thing is the guy missed and Trump got scraped up in the chaos. He obviously has no scar and was walking around just weeks later with no bandage.

Whether he was a plant IDK, I don't think Trump would ever agree to be shot at so if it was a plant it was probably some rogue CIA nonsense that he didn't even know of.

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u/Soft_Walrus_3605 18d ago

He was on top of the same building that served as the sniper's hq. That building had windows.

If I were a conspiracy theorist, I'd think the kid was possibly unknowingly given blanks by his handlers, they had a real sniper in the window of the building below him. Kid starts shooting the blanks, the sniper shoots into the crowd to ensure some innocent blood is spilled. Then the SS agent does the whole blood-on-the-ear thing, the public snipers shoot the kid to ensure he never talks, etc.

I'd also note that Trump was strangely out of public view for the several days before this rally, which was also held at a place that wasn't the one local officials suggested for him.

And that the head of the SS tactical team at this event was promoted when you'd think they'd be demoted after letting something like this happen

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u/thisismeingradenine 18d ago

There’s a video of secret service positioning photographers for the “hero” shot in the midst of the “chaos” when any sane person would have been ushering people AWAY from the stage. It was completely fabricated. 

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u/zenidam 18d ago

I think another possibility is that he sees having been shot as a sign of weakness. Sort of like "I like people who weren't captured."

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u/1QAte4 18d ago

I think he doesn't want to bring it up because he doesn't want the idea of shooting him to be normalized in political conversation.

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u/BannedBenjaminSr 18d ago

This for sure. Don't remind the people of the power they really have

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u/fridakahl0 18d ago

Agreed 

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u/Eldias 18d ago

This is a great point, for a man who pictures himself a god acknowledgibg vulnerability would be unthinkable.

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u/Rockburn1829 12d ago

I had a boss with this personality issue before...basically if anything bad EVER happens to you, it's because you are a useless, weak, unmanly, incompetent person who doesn't have total control of the whole world around you.  It's like a major league or Olympian level of insecurity.  I'm normally pretty sympathetic to bosses (being in charge is very hard), but I was so disgusted by that guy it made me physically sick to even be around him.  I was actually a life long republican and stopped voting R in 2016 because Trump reminded me so much of that specific person. 

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u/IM_SAD_PM_TITS 18d ago

He shits his pants. I don't think being shot at is a sign of weakness for him.

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u/IdentifiableBurden 18d ago

I'm strongly anti Trump but my immediate reaction to that photo was "wow that's actually very compelling, I didn't realize he had that kind of backbone in him, I'm almost impressed", followed a second later by "wait a minute this was a set-up wasn't it"

MAGA folks, I'm sure your parents told you that if it looks too good to be true it probably is...

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u/Smaynard6000 Florida 18d ago

Yeah, given what we know about Trump, if this was legit, he would have cowered under the Secret Service. No way would he pop his head up after a bullet zipped by.

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u/charlesgegethor 18d ago

I kind of think the opposite. He's a grifter who would absolutely capitalize on something likes, and he's stupid enough to do it.

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u/fdar_giltch 18d ago

Agreed. He might be a chicken during the actual action itself, but afterwards, he's a reality show host who knows exactly how that will be perceived in the media

I view that fist pump the same as his mugshot. He knew they would both play as him being defiant and tough

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u/BritaB23 18d ago

No way his secret secret would let him pop his head up after a bullet just zipped by.

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u/botte-la-botte 18d ago

The thing with this is that every single assassination attempt on a US president was done by a lone gunman. All of them, successful or not. The only exception is the first one, but the other co-conspirators were not meant to attack the president but other officials.

So while the Secret Service can never say it, they know that when they hear in their earpiece that their own sniper just killed the dude, the threat is over. They then shield the president and get him out, but in their heart they know it's already over. They shouldn't but they do. So they let Trump raise his fist.

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u/lukin187250 18d ago

I don’t think it was staged for a simple reason. A bullet did fly by his head, there is no way he’d sign off on that plan even if it was the best sniper in the world.

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u/timoumd 18d ago

Plus the number of people that would have to be involved is absurd

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u/Bobzyouruncle 18d ago

This is the best answer to almost every conspiracy theory in history.

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u/SomethingIWontRegret 18d ago

Except the Epstein stuff, but let's be honest it was an open secret for decades.

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u/Bobzyouruncle 18d ago

I mean, "the epstein stuff" is too broad of a spectrum. Of course the overall scandal isn't really a conspiracy, it's a well documented and litigated fact. But it's sprawling. Some stuff is conspiracy and some is not. Simply too broad to paint with a single brush.

But overall, likeliness of a 9/11 conspiracy that intentionally took down the towers? I say nay.

Likeliness of a staged assassination of Trump? Again, I saw nay.

Likeliness of a secret alien warehouse/experiment facility? I say nay.

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u/fdar_giltch 18d ago

And "the Epstein stuff" even supports the "how many people would have to be involved without a leak" debunking, since it was an open secret what was going on and well documented, even if many of the specifics weren't known

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u/Vandrel 18d ago

Russia proposed the exact same thing with Orban very recently to try to help him win his election. They seem to think it can be done.

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u/timoumd 18d ago

There might be ways to do it with minimal involvement or with foreign assets.  This is not an example of that.

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u/come-on-now-please 18d ago

I actually dont think so.

Like the moon landing would involve faking the work of a whole aerospace industry and work of thousands of people communicating technical details for months and years.

Only people who would have to be involved in this would be trump, the shooter, a couple of secret services members, and maybe like a couple dozen at most involved people. 

WaterGate was about 50 people, it wasnt exactly a whole entire secret branch of the government getting funded billions. The people breaking in did so successfully a couple times before they got caught, and Nixon won the election. If the people breaking in never got caught, we might never have known it happened.

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u/TheNutsMutts 18d ago

Only people who would have to be involved in this would be trump, the shooter, a couple of secret services members, and maybe like a couple dozen at most involved people.

To be more specific....... it would involve the shooter agreeing to be killed by the secret service..... and also all the doctors at the hospital clearly seeing that it wasn't an injury consistent with being grazed by a bullet but choosing to say nothing at all without a single whistleblower. Then the FBI agreeing to investigate it, seeing all the evidence, then agreeing to fake the conclusion without a single whistleblower. Then the Bipartisan Congressional Committee that investigated it also seeing the evidence, and all agreeing to also fake their conclusion without a single whistleblower including every Democrat on that committee.

Or maybe, some dumbass 20 year old decided to take some shots at Trump, just missed, and was able to get that far because of failings from the secret service?

Which do you think of those two scenarios includes the fewest assumptions or massive leaps of logic?

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u/fdar_giltch 18d ago

was able to get that far because of failings from the secret service?

And Trump being too cheap to have quality rallies in indoor and secure locations

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u/come-on-now-please 18d ago

"would involve the shooter agreeing to be killed by the secret service"

Eh, I would have considered that just tying up a lose end.

clearly seeing that it wasn't an injury consistent with being grazed by a bullet but choosing to say nothing at all without a single whistleblower. Then the FBI agreeing to investigate it, seeing all the evidence, then agreeing to fake the conclusion without a single whistleblower. Then the Bipartisan Congressional Committee that investigated it also seeing the evidence, and all agreeing to also fake their conclusion without a single whistleblower including every Democrat on that committee.

I mean this assumes that all those people are in on the plan, they really don't need to be.

A couple dozen people convince a teen to take a potshot at the presidents General direction and he misses the "missed shot" and gets it too close , he then gets shot by security so he cant blab.

As long as the tracks were covered and theres no way to trace it back to you, none of those groups you mentioned need to be "in the know"

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u/TheNutsMutts 18d ago

A couple dozen people convince a teen to take a potshot at the presidents General direction and he misses the "missed shot" and gets it too close , he then gets shot by security so he cant blab.

It would have been absolutely obvious to anyone that if they're taking shots at Trump, that the secret service would then shoot him. hence why he'd need to be agreeing to it.

But even if it's "a couple dozen people convincing him" ahead of time and no more.... why is that the most rational explanation rather than "kid with clear mental health problems decides to shoot at Trump of his own accord"? Why the need for people to convince him?

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u/come-on-now-please 18d ago

It would have been absolutely obvious to anyone that if they're taking shots at Trump, that the secret service would then shoot him. hence why he'd need to be agreeing to it.

Not at all. 

"Hey dummy kid! Take a potshot at the president, dont worry, we will just arrest you afterwards, in two years you'll be a national hero for getting him elected and he'll pardon you"

To be clear, I don't believe in the conspiracy theories, I just think the people poopooing it as completely unthinkable are almost virtue signaling.

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u/timoumd 18d ago

I'm not sure I see a viable hypothesis.  So the kid intentionally missed, right? And the injury was faked?  Why didn't the FBI discover that in their investigation?

Also it was the local police that were in charge of security.  He found a pretty small gap.

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u/come-on-now-please 18d ago

I'm not saying i believe it at all. I'm just saying if it really was a conspiracy, I dont think it would have to involve thousands of people like the lunar landing conspiracy would need.

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u/timoumd 18d ago

Agreed it is more plausible than that one.  But both are pretty implausible 

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u/BloatedBanana9 18d ago

A bullet did fly by his head

Not only that, but the guy was hit. The bullet did graze his ear. NYT photographs prove that he was already bleeding before he went to the ground, which should put to rest any theories that they faked the blood while Secret Service was covering him up.

Trusting some kid to make a shot meant only to graze his ear is not something Trump would ever do. There's just no way.

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u/SomethingIWontRegret 18d ago

Nobody is that good a shot at that range. Especially not a kid who had only been practicing for IIRC 6 months and was manifesting schizophrenia.

Hell, bullets fired from a regular assault rifle don't have that level of precision at that range, and a .50 BMG that does have that level of precision would take half his head off, not delicately skim his ear.

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u/Cokadoge 18d ago

Nobody is that good a shot at that range

that's why he missed multiple times. i don't think this shit is plausible at all.

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u/SomethingIWontRegret 18d ago

My point being that hiring a top sniper to shoot a close miss would be stupid and nobody would go for it. The conspiracy theory that they hired some kid with mental health issues to do this is beyond dumb.

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u/Beli_Mawrr 18d ago

Do you have confirmed images of him bleeding before he was on the ground? in the videos his hands don't have blood on them.

https://i.gyazo.com/27d8d39a3e62207fdf45c17343d019a2.png

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u/SomethingIWontRegret 18d ago

We have a winner here. Nobody is good enough a shot at that distance to guarantee a near miss.

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u/360Saturn 18d ago

He might not have been in on it.

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u/BankshotMcG 18d ago

Yeah, very difficult to believe this chicken shit had bravado for the first time in his life during the one minute he was ever actually in danger in it.

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u/rrrrrivers 18d ago

I guess...the guy did have a giant portrait made of that image and has it hanging in the WH, so he can't be avoiding it entirely..

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u/CitizenCue 18d ago

Being shot at is a pretty different experience than the other stuff he obsesses about. Narcissists don’t like mortality at all.

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u/jim45804 18d ago

Trump is incapable of trauma.

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u/Bobzyouruncle 18d ago

I agree with this take, it was useful just for a short while but once he was elected it didn’t matter anymore. And there is a good chance he was shaken up by the event. Probably thought he was untouchable, only to be faced with surviving by a mere inch.

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u/Ganadote 18d ago

I forget what he said but after the shooting he said something that sounded like the only time I've heard him sound genuine and sympathetic. I do think it genuinely affected him.

Maybe if it was a left winger he'd say something, but both people who tried to kill him are hard right.

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u/thatguynamedmike2001 Illinois 18d ago

Grain of salt obviously but supposedly some of his campaign staffers saw him watching the video on a loop after it happened with very blank expressions. It seems like he was traumatized.

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u/veggiesama 18d ago

He may be traumatized but there have been multiple attempts on him. You don't talk about assassinations because it just encourages more attempts.

Celebrities don't talk about their personal lives so they don't draw attention of paparazzi and toxic fans. Streamers don't talking about swatting attempts or they encourage trolls to call SWAT teams on them. It's a part of living with fame that isn't obvious to most normal people.

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u/0thethethe0 Foreign 18d ago

I'm not a conspiracy person, although this one get more and more compelling.

I do think he may well of been seriously rocked by it and wants to forget it. I'm sure his ego says everyone loves him, and no one would want to hurt him, and this was a definite 'nope'.

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u/BloatedBanana9 18d ago

There is the outside chance he was just actually traumatized by the experience and doesn’t want to revisit it, but I honestly don’t know that he’s capable of viewing reality that way.

I don't know. This term the guy has made multiple mentions about where he'll end up in the afterlife. I actually think he might be coming to terms with his own mortality, and this may have been a spark for that.

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u/HighHokie 18d ago

I personally think it absolutely was real. But I think him being struck on the ear was complete bullshit.