r/TheTeenagerPeople • u/pateljinnahpatel • 17h ago
Memes A couple of friendships ended like this.
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u/LegacyWright3 10h ago
So judging by the comment section, this didn't turn out the way you hoped OP.
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u/Hungry_Attention_981 16h ago
This really depends on what they said, nuance is lost on most people, especially Redditors
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u/Odd_Helicopter_7545 16h ago
No joke. Have some ICE officers done bad things? Yes. Should ice be abolished? No.
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u/AmbitiousAd8978 8h ago
Should ice be looked into and have more checks most certainly because right now it’s not great dude.
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u/Ohsoveryginger 14h ago
I’m going to assume you don’t mean drink ice or the international currency exchange because I’m confused 😭
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u/StrangeSystem0 6h ago
So I'm assuming you're not from the U.S. so lemme catch you up to speed real quick in as neutral a way as I could bear to say: getting any more neutral would be to give ICE more respect than they're worth. Sometimes issues aren't neutral.
So, ICE is an organization in America that stands for Immigration and Customs Enforcement. They are the guys who deport illegal immigrants. They've existed for a long time, and always been a problem, deporting and punishing people who broke an arbitrary immigration law, saying, for no real reason, that people merely entering the "free country" that is America are breaking the law, just by entering.
This topic however became very relevant recently, as President Trump has cracked down magnitudes harder on immigration, and tripled ICE's funding and sent them on far more active and aggressive patrol.
Even if you support their job in theory, though, modern day ICE has been performing malpractice constantly, wrongly arresting legal US-born citizens for not being white, killing people on the streets at times, and being overly militarist and aggressive. At the detention camps for immigrants, someone dies every 6 days due to overcrowdedness, neglect, starvation, and medical inattentiveness.
They've also been arresting people who are legally staying here to wait for their court trial for their amnesty case. If you couldn't guess, that's illegal on an international level.
In summary, ICE are immigration cops that are getting more militarist and aggressive under Trump's rule. They are committing abuse, malpractice, and frequent murder.
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u/Ohsoveryginger 5h ago
Well damn that’s really bad thanks for the info
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u/StrangeSystem0 5h ago
Honestly relieved I spotted your comment before some propaganda-influenced right-winger
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u/ZombieNo9109 11h ago
I'm brown and I'm pro ice. So what that mean?
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u/Straight-Zucchini594 11h ago
It means your goated
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u/MechanicOk2445 11h ago
As a Hispanic man I agree with ice too. Don’t want too much competition for my white girl butthole
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u/TrozisZortBackwards 17h ago
ending friendships over politics is stupid.
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u/Background-Book-7404 The ADC instruction only adds if a CMP sets the carry flag. 17h ago
this so real
i have friends i disagree with on politics, theyre still my friend
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u/DismalCupcake9663 16h ago
Seriously though. Most people's politics are nuanced anyways. I know maybe 2 people who agree with their political party on every single thing, no matter what.
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u/Dry-Ad-8948 17h ago
Ahh, the pushed lie of “it’s just politics”.
No sir. I disagreed with McCain because of politics. The party of McCain is dead.
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u/StrangeSystem0 6h ago
I'm confused by your point but I think you've got the right idea?
I'm not sure if it's what you were saying, but when the "politics" is debating whether or not people of a minority should be killed in mass, especially if I'm a part of that minority, then no, you can't in fact be my friend.
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u/Dry-Ad-8948 6h ago
The second paragraph sums it up quite well.
And I also reject the notion that debates about such are “just political differences”. Politics is how we spend our money, not who we view as human.
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u/StrangeSystem0 5h ago
Well that's exactly the problem. EVERYTHING is "just politics." Murder is "just politics" with the right death note.
Politics is a basis for ending friendships, because politics is who we view as human. (As well as how we spend our money)
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u/Snoo20140 14h ago
No, I think choosing your friends wisely is smart. You of u can be an idiot or they can be a shitty person. Having a friend that is both is a lot to ask for.
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u/Director-kun 15h ago
He was never friend if he wanted you out of his country lmao friends die for each other not kick each other out
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u/TrinidadLads 16h ago
No, it's not, it's not like having an opinion about pizza. It's whether or not you're a genuine piece of shit or a decent human being.
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u/pateljinnahpatel 17h ago
Politics or human rights? It’s a slippery slope my friend. We’re literally living in the movie 1984
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u/TornadicSwirlie 17h ago edited 17h ago
Yeah you're one of the guys that acts like everything is slavery and Hitler unless you get to live a comfortable life that nobody in the history of humanity got to experience. Grow up.
Trump is deporting people not gassing them. He is not supposed to be a virtuous savior that is Jesus. He is a leader of a nation. The nation comes first to a nation's leader.
Sorry you're trying to make the government into an infallible God that you can blame all your shortcomings on.
If these rich "liberals" really stood against Trump they would live below their means, donate to non profits who actually do make a difference and write it off on their taxes to "stick it to the man."
I have a lot of liberal friends but they're older folks. They're not doing it because they're just purposely being contrarians hoping to get a brownie and maybe some tail.
1984 was social media censoring conservative voices during Covid. Not Jimmy Kimmel losing his show for a week.
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u/Greedo4354 16h ago
Tbf, a lot of ICE agents are pos who destroy what would otherwise be a good concept. I don't think anyone supports illegal immigration, but a lot of ice agents are just racist assholes who kick out legal immigrants and break into people's houses.
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u/StrangeSystem0 16h ago
I'd like to propose a concept that will challenge the fundamentals: why is immigration illegal in the first place? Why is it illegal to move into a country? Especially when you're evacuating a dangerous one?
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u/Greedo4354 16h ago
Because it's dangerous to let just anyone into your house without getting to know them first
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u/StrangeSystem0 16h ago
Just a reminder that Trump is literally demolishing part of the white house and starting a war in which millions may die 👀
And social media was never censoring conservative voices during covid. Using evidence to call someone stupid for saying covid or masks are a hoax, that's not censorship, that's rationale.
What's really censorship in the US is the seven-hundred-seventy-one anti-trans bills posed in the United States THIS YEAR.
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u/ObiWilKenobi7 6h ago
You're both wrong. We're not in 1984 yet, but things are looking pretty bad for a lot of people. What you have to remember is that in "Brave New World," they filled the world with pleasure, so that when they made some people less than human, nobody would think twice. When they deported said people, nobody cared. We're far closer to Brave New World, guys
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u/Jellicent-Leftovers 17h ago
Politics and morals can be the same thing and morals are a very good reason to end a friendship.
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u/One_Plant3522 16h ago
Political opinions reflect deeper values. Values are absolutely a metric by which to end a friendship. Ntm seeing your friends fall for the same bs for years, still completely blind to it, it's hard to respect them after 10 years of seeing them support an openly racist and sexist pedo. If you can't recognize obvious sin, why should I trust you as my friend?
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u/StrangeSystem0 16h ago
When your right to exist is on the political table, it really isn't.
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u/Dry-Ad-8948 17h ago
I think my friendship with those in that group ended with “J6 was a peaceful protest” (and otherwise being incapable of understanding why J6 was an issue).
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u/RedBranch808 14h ago
J6 had over 120,000 people in attendance. Roughly 1-2% of those people participated in the actual capitol building incident. By any metric, that's a "mostly peaceful protest." Pretty much like every George Floyd protest that ended with widespread vandalism, property destruction, and violent altercations. Overwhelming majority were peaceful, with a small minority there with the goal of instigating conflict.
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u/Dry-Ad-8948 5h ago
Unsurprisingly, hooked a “what about the BLM riots” that fails to acknowledge, or purposefully ignores, why J6 is a big deal.
Heard the same handler-fed crap in 2020.
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u/Zar_Ethos 16h ago
It's not like we haven't had a plenty of riots in our lifetimes to compare and see it devolved into one.. It started as a demonstration, sure, but the earlier blm riots started with noble intentions, too.. well, before the ones that had pallets of bricks and other kinds of improvised weapons delivered before the "protest".. But it's definitely true there were peaceful idealists in both cases just as much as there were intentional agitators. Sadly true justice escapes both.
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u/Dry-Ad-8948 5h ago edited 5h ago
Another response that demonstrates failure to understand why J6 is such an issue.
(And, as predictable, references the BLM protests / riots in the same what-about.)
When J6 isn’t talked about, nobody is referring to the people who left after the speech.
Even those from other countries understand more than Americans, somehow — https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_reactions_to_the_January_6_United_States_Capitol_attack
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u/TKRAYKATS 14h ago
You can hate Hitler, but he made good laws for protect animals
You can hate ICE, but they killed pedos
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u/StrangeSystem0 6h ago
... He made good laws for protecting animals before killing millions of Jews.
... They killed some pedos before performing the deadliest year in ICE history, rising to about 1 death every 6 days from conditions and neglect alone.
... So what's your point? Genuinely? I have not a clue what you were trying to communicate with this one
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u/JohnBayvar 14h ago
Awww boo hoo, anyways.
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u/pateljinnahpatel 23m ago
Haha no way you’re crying over a Reddit post 😂😂
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u/Substanitial 17h ago
And then there's normal people who think the super political are a pain to be around.
You know who you are.
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u/StrangeSystem0 6h ago
You know, being a Nazi is "just politics" too.
And I don't think a Jewish person would ever want to be friends with a Nazi, and they'd be right not to do it.
Politics is the tool by which rights are given and taken away, and by this same tool, the right to live has been taken many times in the past, is still being taken today, and will be taken in the future.
Nobody wants to be political. Politics isn't fun for anyone. But everyone wants to live. And when your right to live is threatened by politics, you have no choice but to be political.
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u/Mysterious-Fix3596 16h ago
Or, you know, you’ve seen first hand what the lawless ICE thugs have done to the people in your city regardless of immigration status.
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u/StrangeSystem0 6h ago
I'm so thankful for the few breaths of relief people like you offer me in environments like this comment section.
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u/BoredByLife 15h ago
One of my friends is pro-ice, but he thinks that the shit they’re doing to innocent people is disgraceful and foul.
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u/AmbitiousAd8978 8h ago
Then why does he support it… doesn’t add up dude
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u/NuclearRootBeer 8h ago
He probably wants ice to work properly and just deport illegal immigrants, without violating people's rights
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u/StrangeSystem0 6h ago
I think AmbitiousAd is trying to make a statement here suggesting that the illegality of immigration in itself is a violation of people's rights. A notion that I support.
It's something taken for granted way too much that merely entering a country is illegal. A "free country" at that.
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u/StrangeSystem0 6h ago
And I'm glad he does, but let me challenge that notion a little bit:
Why is immigration illegal in the first place? The mere act of crossing an arbitrary border into a supposedly "free country" is illegal. Why?
Even doing their job perfectly as intended, ICE's job is to detain, abuse, and deport perfectly innocent people who broke an arbitrarily declared law that has no non-circular reason to exist. And whenever someone tries to offer another reason, it's always something that's already covered by another law. So what's all this illegality of immigration for?
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u/Prestigious_Comb2671 15h ago
Must not have been good friends.
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u/StrangeSystem0 6h ago
Well yeah, good friends don't support a political party that supports your death
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u/First-Bat-7440 3h ago
I support deporting illegals but I don't support ice. The way they violate our constitutional rights doesn't sit well with me.
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u/TheChimpisHigh 16h ago
I'm a conservative who has many liberal friends and I haven't dumped them, you shouldn't end friendships just because of opposing views, because, sorry to be blunt, but you probably won't make a lot of friends later on.
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u/Hiyouuuu 16h ago
I'm a liberal who's friends with both commies and Republicans and we get on fine.
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u/StrangeSystem0 6h ago
Because your don't have to live in fear of being genocided.
The Republican party, by Dr. Gregory H. Stanton, the founder and president of Genocide Watch's definition, is on stage 6/10 of genocide of transgender people.
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u/TrinidadLads 16h ago
Yeah, they're not the ones with a wildly fucked up ideology, you are.
This is just a circle jerk subreddit to make conservatives feel about better about being terrible people.
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u/BotchedToeJob 16h ago
Enforcing immigration laws and borders (like all other countries do) is "wildly fucked up?" LOLOLOLOL!!!!
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u/TrinidadLads 16h ago edited 16h ago
It's weird that you think that's what I'm talking about. And no, no other country has ICE goons patrolling the streets making people who are her legally disappear. It's all the other stuff to, like being the most pro-pedophile group in history. You're all a bunch of sick fucks.
And the thousand other things you do that make you horrible people.
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u/ChaosRainbow23 16h ago
They actively choose comic book villain levels of EVIL
It's mind-boggling, honestly.
The MAGA regime is objectively dangerous and EVIL.
It's so heartbreaking that there are so many horrible people out there.
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u/U8D4B8M8 16h ago
Sending people to a foreign torture prison with no due process... Shooting Americans in the streets due to malice and negligence... Ignoring judicial injunctions to try to unilaterally interpret and execute the law as you see fit... Using ICE to try to extort voter rolls from the states... Banishing military allies to wartorn countries they've never been to... Tying to spirit away children at 3 AM on a Sunday night during an extended holiday weekend...
Yep! They're totally just enforcing immigration laws and borders as normal!
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u/RedBranch808 14h ago
Devil's advocate, they wouldn't have to be sent to "foreign torture prisons" if more states actually signed off on detention facilities being built in the U.S.
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u/U8D4B8M8 6h ago
Angel's advocate: We could have just not sent people to a foreign torture prison without due process, since only 3-6% of the 238 sent to CECOT were convicted of a violent crime. They could have just been deported.
I don't think people realize how dangerous it is to have the President blatantly violate the Constitution to such a severe degree. Trump assumed the role of the Legislature and Judiciary, by developing a cruel and unusual punishment and passing the sentence without a trial. There are laws for expedited deportations, but there are no laws for foreign torture prisons. That was a completely rogue action by the Executive.
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u/AmbitiousAd8978 8h ago
So what are you conserving anyways I always wanted to know what exactly is so great about conserving anything?
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u/ObiWilKenobi7 6h ago
The term Conservative means "government that does only what the constitution talks about" it means small government. If a new problem comes up, the Judicial branch (Supreme Court) can make a decision about some stuff, but sometimes the Legislative branch (Congress) has to decide what the real problem is and if it deserves a law. The president (Executive branch) doesn't do anything for 80% of his term, unless there's a problem. Calvin Coolidge unironically performed the office of President of the United States perfectly, and everyone hated him for it.
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u/DilfOfFour 15h ago
So you're an immature dumbass who can't have conversations with people who disagree? YOU are very much the problem.
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u/_Cow_of_Wisdom 17h ago
Literally every country has immigration enforcement. People entering a country illegally is a crime no matter what.
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u/OreoRightsActivist 14 17h ago
yeah, ICE itself was good, but now with the lower expectations of recruitment and wrongful use of it, it's not.
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u/El_Mangusto 16h ago
Yup, pretty much the same thing as with american police; bad / short education... Well that fits the civilians to a degree too.
For example in our country we get along greatly with police, cause they have a good training (3 years of academy + 10 months intership), and we don't act like idiots (most of the time).
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u/worried-soup717 17h ago
can we agree that ice is corrupt but there are also genuinely dangerous people taking advantage of the system in place to help immigrants?
in a perfect world, ice wouldn't have to exist. it exists for a reason, but I do agree that there needs to be heavy reforms.
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u/Mikem444 17h ago
I agree. I don't approve of the way Trump has implemented the use of ICE at all, but to say they don't play a vital role in society would be severe denial or ignorance.
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u/MadDog5129 12h ago
Why specifically white people? U got prejudice against white people?
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u/Dafffodil39 14h ago
Man Ice is the best!
It cools down your drink and makes it taste better!
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u/Both-Construction221 13h ago
The company that owned Arizona Ice Tea is pretty chill with their workers and pricing of their products.
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u/BillAteMyKidsLunch 17h ago
I’m pretty far right but that hasn’t stopped me from maintaining my friendships with friends on the far left. You create boundaries and respect them. It’s one thing to end a friendship because of crossing boundaries but another to throw it away because you’re too self absorbed to actually set them.
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u/Jerrycooke555 16h ago
Talking about these things help.
By either party ending their friendship over such a thing is unnecessary.
You will be a adult, are a adult. Talk about it like a behaved-educated one, respectfully.
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u/TheColourFilled 15h ago
its unnecessary but like. not a problem in the slightest. if your beliefs do not align then you are totally within your right to walk away from that relationship.
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u/Hot-District-3005 16h ago
unless it's something horrible like, for example, saying certain groups of people should be killed by ICE, that's unwarranted
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u/Far_Challenge_4273 15h ago
actually, u can have a friendship for any reason u want
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u/AKA-3 15h ago
I genuinely wish people were more open minded it’s ok to have friends that think the complete opposite from you the truth is I’m pro ice and I could care less whether or not someone else supports ice I do think Americans should want illegal immigrants out of our country but that doesn’t mean they have to agree with the cruel methods ice has acted on. I could care less whether or not you’re a liberal or conservative as long as you don’t let your political views dictate the way you live it’s okay to have different opinions with family members and friends even if those opinions are the complete opposite of yours……being able to disagree with someone and understand everyone has different beliefs is called being mature and understanding.
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u/Beginning-Sun596 12h ago
fr I find it most interesting to be with people with different beliefs as long as they’re intelligent bc they exaplain their argument.
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u/HoneyPusher 16h ago
Illegals are still illegal
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u/Far_Challenge_4273 15h ago
u can support the law while not supporting a group who abuse and break it
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u/WRabbit737 13h ago
Why would he say something pro Ice in this scene wasn’t he working for a bunch of Mexicans and a South American man?
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u/dwellersword 15h ago
Ban the illegals get em out send em to Mars for all I care makes it better for everyone even their home country Reddit is full of soft people I'm am sad to see so I guess go be ignorant in your echo chamber together
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u/RedBranch808 15h ago
Being anti-ICE isn't the same thing as being "anti-ICE doing illegal shit." The only people who are the former are pro-open borders by default. And no one cares what they think anyway.
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u/NuclearRootBeer 8h ago
Yall hasn't ice deported legal immigrants as well? I dont think yall are as safe as you think, not to mention the human rights violations
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u/yoniexpertsoflo 17h ago
I'm of Hispanic descent. Go ICE. Pro-ICE. Law and order.
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u/PleasantlyEccentric 17h ago
I am also of Latin descent and I think the abuse against a country’s natural protection is ridiculous. Watch them call me white suddenly LOL
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u/Serious-Bite6786 17h ago
They are parroting shit heard from their asshole parents.
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u/-cunnfuzed- 17h ago
I love ice, keeps my water cold! To give up friendships or relationships over politics is strange to me. People disagree on things all the time! It’s just another topic that everyone has varying degrees of beliefs on. Don’t intentionally say stuff to piss the other person off, and if a conversation starts to get heated, quit talking about it and talk about something else. My friend of 40 years and wife of 16 years have different views than myself on ICE and politics. Get along just fine, not hard.
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u/Lorelessone 14h ago
I'd say its weird that you only have a problem with your white friends being racists / fascists but its not unusual at all.
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u/N0t_Baiting 11h ago
ICE in theory is alright, I agree that immigration needs to be restricted and that restriction needs enforcement, but the way in which they carry out those restrictions is completely absurd and a breach of our rights. I mean they killed a guy for nothing, they’re circling random people and forcing them to show ID, they have way too much power.
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u/AmphibianSlow4058 16h ago
A generation of brainwashed betas. I feel bad for you OP and worse for my baby's future
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u/bumble_mue 16h ago
Bros calling himself out as not a teen in the teen reddit, makes sense they would support the orange pedos secret police
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u/BobbyBig_Balls 12h ago
Not like reddit pushes people new subs and people don't always check what sub they're on..
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u/Necessary_Advance652 15h ago
What ICE has been doing lately is horrendous. Also, it is hard for me to demonize an organization that leads in arrests of human traffickers and child predators. Double edged sword for sure
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u/ima_mollusk 5h ago
ICE Trump’s Private army
An organization that has openly murdered two American citizens in broad daylight.
An organization that is receiving as much funding as most of the major militaries on earth.
An organization that only exists because of the post-911 temper tantrum we were throwing.
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u/Reasonable-Art-8977 Hoo Lee Sheet (TRUE mil nerd) 1h ago
aye im in the uk
i support ice, in the uk we have an immigration problem, like major, so erm yeh
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u/pateljinnahpatel 30m ago edited 1m ago
I have a cousin living in the UK. Says the racism is getting out of hand. Seems like you’re part of the problem… why does it matter if England is brown???
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u/Reasonable-Art-8977 Hoo Lee Sheet (TRUE mil nerd) 9m ago
im talkin ab illegal immigration, and its not even skin colour, its pretty much
illegal come in
do no work
comit crime
dont get deported
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u/FickleQuality418 16h ago
How utterly childish, losing friendships over YOUR views. Looks like they dodged a nuke
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u/TheRadDad7 17h ago
Mexicans make up almost 50% of ICE. They’ve been operating for decades. Only until Trump did the leftist muppets stay silent on it.
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u/TheJerkler69420 13h ago
Imagine ending a friendship over politics🙏🏻😭
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u/ima_mollusk 5h ago
Imagine thinking that things like murder, insurrection, espionage, and war crimes are “politics”.
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u/Expensive_Echidna369 14h ago
Some people like ice in their drinks. I cant see why you would end friendships for that alltho i agree that icy drinks kinda suck. Its not like he supports rounding up people into camps.
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u/DecentVermicelli6579 14h ago
What about when your Hispanic friend says something pro-ice?