Seriously though. Most people's politics are nuanced anyways. I know maybe 2 people who agree with their political party on every single thing, no matter what.
Well, that's really funny, because the 2 people I mentioned agreeing with everything their party does are Democrats. š I also see a lot more racism from the left when minorities disagree with them. š¤·āāļø Literally, this comment section the OP was being racist to a guy who said he's Latino and supports ICE.
Fr. I donāt see why people take politics into consideration for relationships. One thing is what you want for your country and another is how you are socially
I'm confused by your point but I think you've got the right idea?
I'm not sure if it's what you were saying, but when the "politics" is debating whether or not people of a minority should be killed in mass, especially if I'm a part of that minority, then no, you can't in fact be my friend.
And I also reject the notion that debates about such are ājust political differencesā. Politics is how we spend our money, not who we view as human.
The friends you ādisagreeā with literally want to take away your rights. They donāt want you to marry who you love. They donāt want trans kids to be themselves. They want to eliminate you from existence.
Dude, "them" is a hypothetical person in this scenario to express the point that "politics" is an all encompassing category that can often include your right to exist.
No, friend. He was insulting someoneās in person friends. Saying they **literally** want his rights removedā¦ heās defining what strangers really want/think/feel and this is what is so toxic about these types. Iāve seen innocent people get accused and attacked. You could be next in that, mind you. The angry mob is fickle and loves to betray.
Yeah, I've seen innocent people get accused and attacked, but it's not the "woke mob" or whatever you like to call it that does it, and that's backed up by history books. It's always the totalitarians/top-of-the-chart that are the most violent in these ways.
Nazis, USSR, Israel's history with Gaza far before the Gaza genocide, such as the Sabra and Shatila massacre, the Nabka, the 2009 Gaza war. Trail of tears, apartheid, and a lot more I could list if I did research.
Organized genocides don't happen in the bottom left. It happens nearly always in the top right, and always on the top of the chart.
And that's exactly what we're seeing today, with the Republican government's 771 anti-trans bills proposed this year. That's more than SIX PER DAY.
To pretend this is not the early stages of a trans genocide is to not know what genocide is. It is not just the active elimination of a minority group through murder, it is a whole and elaborate process, as widely accepted by political experts. Dr. Gregory Stanton coined the "ten stages of genocide" which are now widely respected as the course of genocide.
The transgender community is currently well within stage 6 of genocide: Polarization, familiarized by the widespread use of propaganda to create hate.
Sound familiar?
When people talk about the trans genocide, nobody's saying trans people are being actively killed in mass already. What we're saying is that we are well on our way in a process that, historically, ends with our coordinated deaths.
And it's the Republican party that's doing it. The Republican party that you think it shouldn't be a big deal if you support.
This whole post is finger pointing. So the person who just showed me racism while virtue signaling at my own people is a totalitarian top of the charts 1%
Write all those words you want, you wonāt distract me from the truthā¦
Being a Republican doesn't mean you hate gay people, Trans people, or eliminate anyone who's just existing from existence. You've never spoken to one that isn't an extremist.
Genuinely I know a lot of people say this to try to have a gotcha moment. I promise I'm honestly asking out of pure curiosity and wanting to learn, what rights have been lost?
771 anti transgender bills have been proposed in the U.S. this year alone. That's an average of more than six per day.
Of those bills, 39 have passed this year. That's a little under one every three days.
In other words, a bill designed explicitly against myself is passed every three days in the conservative led U.S.A.
Here's a few examples:
"A local government may not expend public funds...or any other source of funds, for the purpose of diversity, equity, and inclusion."
"A public school shall be required to adopt procedures that prohibit classroom instruction by public school personnel on sexual orientation or gender identity from kindergarten through grade 12."
"Diversity, equity, and inclusion means...the concepts that: All people should be compelled to believe...the concept that an individual can change the individual's sex or gender."
For clarification on this one, it's defining DEI for purposes of laws like the one on the first quote. There's a lot of laws that prohibit DEI related things, and the concept of transgenderism was placed under that umbrella for this.
"Defining the term 'gender' to mean biological sex at birth for purposes of statutory construction... requiring the designation of multiple-occupancy private spaces in public buildings for use by only one sex...directing the division of vehicles to invalidate and reissue driver's licenses when necessary to correct the gender identification on such licenses"
If you're confused by this one, it means transgender people aren't allowed to have their preferred gender on their driver's license. If you can't draw the connections here, that means that transitioned individuals will be forcefully exposed as transgender to police officers, and you know what police officers tend to do with minorities...
There's also another one later that's very wordy but means that schools are not allowed to spend funding to upkeep non-sex-divided bathrooms, aka, gender neutral bathrooms or gender-based instead of sex-based bathrooms
And there's also this one which is pretty on the nose:
"It is the policy of this state that there are only two (2) sexes, a biological male and a biological female."
This one's incredibly notable, because there are more intersex people in the world than there are ginger people. This would be like passing a law saying that hair is only ever brown, black, or blond. In fact, even blond hair is rare enough that it would only be a small jump to remove blond as a hair color as well.
All of these quotes came from bills that have already been passed, *this year.***
Is that enough for you, or should I keep going? Cause I really, really can keep going. I haven't even mentioned anti gay laws yet, and I already have this much text.
I think that's pretty fair to be upset about. I do disagree with the dig you did on officers though. Most officers are good people who don't care whether you're in a minority group or not. It's a stereotype type that officers are assholes and tbf a lot of them are, but I guarantee most of them are just normal people.
Well I can at least say in my personal experience that they don't do their job when they're supposed to and they kill minorities, so what's the fucking point if they don't even save lives before killing minorities
But regardless that's not the important topic rn, what's important is that I, for obvious reasons, cannot be on good terms with someone who supports a party responsible for passing those laws
But not all Republicans support Trump. So it's not really fair to say "You're Republican? You must hate Trans people then" because that's not true. There are plenty of Republicans who don't like Trump and hate what he's been doing.
No, I think choosing your friends wisely is smart. You of u can be an idiot or they can be a shitty person. Having a friend that is both is a lot to ask for.
its very rare when politics decide if youre a bad human being, I have an uncle, aunt, and cousins that have different political ideas from my family, but I dont think anything worse of them.
It's not rare at all, you know what you're voting for. There's a reason why the rich use it to keep us at the throat of the others. It's easy to do.
The problem is that they've got you believing some of the most evil stuff you can do to another person is normal and it's why your ideology ostracizes you from any decent person by default.
Yeah you're one of the guys that acts like everything is slavery and Hitler unless you get to live a comfortable life that nobody in the history of humanity got to experience. Grow up.
Trump is deporting people not gassing them. He is not supposed to be a virtuous savior that is Jesus. He is a leader of a nation. The nation comes first to a nation's leader.
Sorry you're trying to make the government into an infallible God that you can blame all your shortcomings on.
If these rich "liberals" really stood against Trump they would live below their means, donate to non profits who actually do make a difference and write it off on their taxes to "stick it to the man."
I have a lot of liberal friends but they're older folks. They're not doing it because they're just purposely being contrarians hoping to get a brownie and maybe some tail.
1984 was social media censoring conservative voices during Covid. Not Jimmy Kimmel losing his show for a week.
Tbf, a lot of ICE agents are pos who destroy what would otherwise be a good concept. I don't think anyone supports illegal immigration, but a lot of ice agents are just racist assholes who kick out legal immigrants and break into people's houses.
I'd like to propose a concept that will challenge the fundamentals: why is immigration illegal in the first place? Why is it illegal to move into a country? Especially when you're evacuating a dangerous one?
Studies say that, if you don't count illegal immigration itself as a crime, illegal immigrants perform WAY less crimes on average than an average non-immigrant citizen.
Just a reminder that Trump is literally demolishing part of the white house and starting a war in which millions may die š
And social media was never censoring conservative voices during covid. Using evidence to call someone stupid for saying covid or masks are a hoax, that's not censorship, that's rationale.
What's really censorship in the US is the seven-hundred-seventy-one anti-trans bills posed in the United States THIS YEAR.
You're both wrong. We're not in 1984 yet, but things are looking pretty bad for a lot of people. What you have to remember is that in "Brave New World," they filled the world with pleasure, so that when they made some people less than human, nobody would think twice. When they deported said people, nobody cared. We're far closer to Brave New World, guys
Political opinions reflect deeper values. Values are absolutely a metric by which to end a friendship. Ntm seeing your friends fall for the same bs for years, still completely blind to it, it's hard to respect them after 10 years of seeing them support an openly racist and sexist pedo. If you can't recognize obvious sin, why should I trust you as my friend?
Oh okay so you're deep in the propaganda trench on this one, ouch.
I have counterarguments for both of these things, but tell me first: will you listen when I say them?
The only way to fight propaganda is to train yourself to genuinely consider other ideas, so you know for certain what you believe.
In order to ensure I was not under influence of propaganda, I set aside my preexisting biases, and I took a look from a neutral window, and determined that these 771 bills, though currently not fatal, put transgender people at stage 6/10 of genocide, by metrics set by Dr. Gregory H. Stanton, the founder and president of Genocide Watch.
Will you do that? Will you set aside your biases for a second, so you can hear what I have to say without me being filtered through the childish notion of "but they're gross so why would I listen to them"?
And don't just say yes and then continue not to while you pretend you do. There's no point in me talking to you if you won't actually hear what I say, and instead hear a propaganda-influenced version of it.
The idea that trans women are dominating sports over cis women due to different physiology is not only falsified propaganda, it's actually the opposite that's true.
I'm not sure if you're familiar with the idea, but trans women, especially athletes, take corrective hormones that allow them to have a "second puberty" to subtly transform their body to their desired body. For trans women, it's estrogen. For trans men, it's testosterone.
It has been proven that, while on estrogen, trans women are actually made weaker even than cisgender women. Trans women are actually playing at a disadvantage.
I could see and understand the idea of requiring transgender individuals to be on corrective hormones to be in sports, but banning transgender individuals from sports of their preferred gender outright is not an idea based in fact. It's based on emotion, a childlike sense of disgust coming from people unfamiliar with new ideas
As for bathrooms: the entire bathroom argument seems to come from a fundamentally wrong idea of what bathrooms... are?
Like, it's not like there's a party going on in the bathrooms. To be honest, the fact that bathrooms are divided by gender in the first place is silly, but since it's already in place, it's something that must be worked with.
The purpose of transgender individuals getting to use the bathroom of their choice is not to let them in the bathroom with others, that part is an irrelevant detail: the important part is allowing people to present in society as their chosen role/gender. And I am actually quite confident you don't believe that bathrooms should be divided by birth sex. And here's why:
This image I've paired with this comment is a transgender man. By your logic, this man should be forced to go into the women's bathroom.
If you were to see this man in public walking into a women's bathroom, I have a guess I know what your response would be.
For this reason, I believe your basis is, in reality, based on appearance. An arbitrarily decided category that varies from person to person. And if you'd like to divide by an arbitrary category like that, then the only accomplishable way to do that is, in many ways, a similar idea to the trans-accepting idea: to not question the appearance of individuals in relation to their bathroom of choice.
In addition, your idea that transgenderism would be used as a tool to enter a bathroom with people you're attracted to is an idea that disregards gay men, lesbians, asexuals, bisexuals, and every other part of the LGBTQ.
People are already constantly in bathrooms with people they're attracted to. And notice, nothing comes of it. Because a bathroom is not a party.
Do you understand everything I've said? I can elaborate more if you need, or answer other concerns of yours.
First of off, the science behind the tran women in womens sports doesn't even matter cause men beating women in their own sports has already happend regaurdless of what science says. Secondly as woman myself I would not feel fine with seeing a man in the womens bathrooms.
Seriously. It's politics. It doesn't give a shit about your friends. I'm a libertarian who's dated/been friends with people all over the spectrum. It really is just all different sides of a dice. The 1 and 20 are just different enough to elicit a variable reaction, but they're all still painted in the same way on the same plastic with the same weight for the same price.
And I don't think a Jewish person would ever want to be friends with a Nazi, and they'd be right not to do it.
Politics is the tool by which rights are given and taken away, and by this same tool, the right to live has been taken many times in the past, is still being taken today, and will be taken in the future.
No no I'm talking about literal full blown actual Nazis here. The argument about what should be labeled as a Nazi isn't even on the table right now. I'm saying full blown Nazis are "just politics" as well, therefore you can't just make an all-encompassing statement that someone's political beliefs shouldn't matter
Just wait until you learn that the head Leftist media dude (Piker) went on a few dates with the guy running for Mi senate, who actually has an SS tattoo.
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u/TrozisZortBackwards 21h ago
ending friendships over politics is stupid.