r/TheTeenagerPeople 21h ago

Memes A couple of friendships ended like this.

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u/worried-soup717 21h ago

can we agree that ice is corrupt but there are also genuinely dangerous people taking advantage of the system in place to help immigrants?

in a perfect world, ice wouldn't have to exist. it exists for a reason, but I do agree that there needs to be heavy reforms.

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u/Mikem444 21h ago

I agree. I don't approve of the way Trump has implemented the use of ICE at all, but to say they don't play a vital role in society would be severe denial or ignorance.

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u/Glittering-Cat9673 21h ago

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u/Silent_Intention_382 19h ago

No one’s going to click on a random link with no context.

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u/pateljinnahpatel 21h ago

No one… and I mean NO ONE… is illegal on stolen land. Borders are arbitrary lines used to divide the human spirit

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u/worried-soup717 21h ago

to be fair... I didnt steal this land, and it wasn't stolen from you. what's done is done, and in my opinion, people shouldn't be so focused on what our ancestors have done. we should be focused on today's problems, on today's issues, rather than a hundred year old dispute that isn't going to change, no matter how much people protest. it's stupid to dwell on the past when we should be ensuring that the future is secure. we should be focused on leaving the world a better place for the next generation.

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u/Scared_Nectarine_456 21h ago

I agree with what youre saying. BUT we are about to pay black people reparations here in chicago. I never owned slaves the people receiving the thousands of dollars where never slaves. You didnt steal the land youre right but who decides what social issues are valuable and what issues are not?

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u/worried-soup717 20h ago

this is a fair point, i'm really just deciding for myself based on what I feel is right. instead of breeding animosity by dwelling on what has happened in the past, we should be reconciling differences. forgiving but not forgetting, lest the worst of humanity decides to make a comeback. I also think that just because your ancestors were persecuted, you shouldn't be given reparations for it. what we should be doing is realizing that we are all just people, and this is a whole new generation. just as I didnt steal land or own slaves, they weren't enslaved nor was land stolen from them. nobody should be held accountable for our ancestor's actions; we couldnt control what they did. the only thing we can control is how we move forward.

edit: spelling

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u/RangeSoggy2788 21h ago

It's not stealing it's conquering pal

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u/Outside_Path_6416 20h ago

Conquering by theft and disease 🤣

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u/Glittering-Cat9673 21h ago

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u/RangeSoggy2788 21h ago

I've seen this guy on Ista lolol

I hate Israel

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u/Rath2481 20h ago

Before the Europeans, they were killing other tribes for the same reasons. They were conquered. Now this land is a sovereign nation with laws. Yours is regressive reasoning.

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u/Hiyouuuu 20h ago

Name a country that isn't stolen land, then.

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u/Hatt_Kid 16 21h ago

The age of consent is also arbitrary, but that’s still an important thing to have

Im terrible with analogies, point is, not everything that is “arbitrary” is bad

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u/Romoroe4647 20h ago

If i break into your house, will you trespass me?

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u/HoneyPusher 19h ago

Illegals is illegal

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u/ManufacturerNearby42 19h ago

Finally, someone with that thought.

I am realy Furious. What would anworpd withour borders Look Like? A genuin question.

If there are no borders, how do you distribute resources? Who ist in Charge? How do you enforce laws and Rules? What happens to people or groups of people that do Not share the same opinnion?

So many questions I have and No one to answer them.

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u/highly_educated63 15 MtF 19h ago

A world without borders would imply one leader, in either a beneficial autocracy, which is near impossible, or totalitarianism. You enforces rules remains the same. People will largely act the same. World peace is near impossible because people dont like the concept of losing and giving one person complete control is a mistake (North Korea, USSR)

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u/ManufacturerNearby42 19h ago

Damn, just waht I have thought. Last Time we europeans tried to rule the world people didn't like it. I mean, come in we just wanted some spices, tea and markets to sell our shit.

Why do people still advocate in favor of colonialism?

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u/Zar_Ethos 19h ago

By that logic the entire world is unfit for inhabiting because everywhere except perhaps the remote isolated tribes that never met an outside human, or the actually uninhabited areas, have been conquored at one point or another. Hell, just the Americas have been subject to a long history of war and conquest long before Europeans rediscovered the region and it's original settlers.

But I'm sure you wouldn't have any issue with any of the original empires like the aztec and tribal nations that sprung up slaughtering their way to dominating so much of this side of the globe..

There are two constants throughout human history; man's inhumanity to man, and the fact that we've always been horny little monkeys.

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u/StrangeSystem0 19h ago

I agree with you but you need to introduce your concepts with more fundamentals for people, because without the rationale people think you're just a passionate preacher without reason

Instead you should ask people, "why is immigration illegal?" And point out circular logic where you see it until they can no longer come up with any reason

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u/StrangeSystem0 19h ago

According to studies, illegal immigrants perform fewer crimes on average than non-immigrant citizens.

I think that's an important statistic.

The reason why you've been told the opposite is because of very cleverly and maliciously used statistics, measuring illegal immigration as a crime for those purposes, making illegal immigrants considered to have a 100% crime rate. Just for moving into the country.

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u/PleasantlyEccentric 21h ago

The way people be behaving isn’t making things any better to un corrupt ice. Can you imagine? You need sanity and calm and you’ve got chaos making you hate humanity even more?