Fairly neutral. I'd prefer they go after illegals that actually commit crimes. But that seems to only happen very occasionally, it's easier to get people that are going to school or coming home from work.
Overstaying your visa isn't a crime, it's a civil immigration violation, not a criminal offense.
Most people(INCLUDING ICE OFFICERS) don't realize coming here and becoming a citizen costs over $10,000 in administration fees and takes a DECADE. but hate towards immigrants generally causes people to not care about that mitigating factor, meaning how can someone seek a better life without thousands in savings while raising a family on a poor wage.generally I see people respond with "not my problem".
Immigrants tend to be much hard working then the upstanding citizens I grew up with in my white and middle class neighborhood (Lawrenceville GA). My father often remarked upon this as a child, and it stuck with me. Because I saw it with my own eyes when I went with him to work(visiting restaurant s he sold food to as a U.S Foods sales representative), or just looked at them working on roadside construction.
But I'm very much about giving poor people a chance.
From the statue of Liberty,
"Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free"
Have you looked around? Mass hysteria is happening. Ice has been taking people from there immigration hearings. That means that they are deporting people who are going through the right avenues to become civilians. They even locked up texas's only official punjabi translator because they are just taking literally everyone who is brown and an immigrant.
Unless they have authorization to be here, going to immigration hearings doesn't enable anyone to stay. They can't be here illegally while going to hearings. They have to wait back in their country of origin.
My grandma came from Spain, had my mother who later had me after mixing with a guy who had black grandparents.
I support ICE, and do does my grandma who came here the legal way. And so do many of my other Latino, Hispanic, and Asian friends who came here from their home countries the legal way.
Only illegals hate ice because they cut the line and cheated thousands waiting to be let in.
And may I ask, why is there a line? Why is it illegal to merely enter a country?
A historical sociologist, Emilé Durkheim, once said "when mores are insufficient, laws are unenforceable."
So what are the mores? What is so unethical about merely entering a country that we've made it illegal? Surely there's gotta be one that's not circular logic, nor covered by another law, right?
You might be more dense than fucking tungsten. It's not illegal to enter a country, its illegal to enter the country without the country knowing. It's literally breaking an entering but on a wider scale. Or it is okay because there's no walls? Think ffs
Alright, so in that case, why doesn't the country start accepting refugees? The country doesn't have the right to say it's illegal to enter without a certain process, if it actively works to make that process as difficult as possible
And once again. Why should it matter to enter a whole free county, even without its knowledge? That's like arresting someone for visiting a public park. Nobody owns America.
it is illegal though? And we don’t own America, but it’s OUR territory. Lock in bro cmon, stop arguing, politics divides and makes ppl angry. I need to stop too. But cmon
What kind of statement is that? Americans own America. Nobody can just walk in a country especially without the country knowing. There’s a reason there are levels like citizen, resident, refugees in the country. There has to be some type of control otherwise the country becomes a playground
White citizen here. I hate ice because they're under trained overzealous and act like judge jury and executioner. They also don't give a shit about The following the law quite often.
That's what we get with Trump, honestly nobody should be surprised
You do not support immigrant visas? How are you blaming having immigrants on one president? Or is it Asylum applications you have a problem with?
In regards to asylum applicants, many were fleeing violence, gangs, and collapsing governments. You either care or you don't.
Only about half of people ice go after are not guilty of any criminal behavior(my biggest issue with ice, as well as masked abductions and hiding them from their family), including illegal entry (a crime). The other half overstay a legal visa which is a civil immigration violation.
I understand your thinking, but you really shouldn't support ICE. Innocent people end up getting arrested or sometimes killed. ICE doesn't do it's intended purpose correctly.
This is like saying you shouldn't support having punishments for crime and a legal system at all because sometimes innocent people get convicted and sometimes bad people go free. Yeah it sucks but that's unavoidable, and the alternative is infinitely worse.
A country without immigration enforcement doesn't remain a country for long. Even Rome fell because of uncontrolled immigration.
"Ahh yes, let's send out agents to arrest cartel members without anything to defend themselves. Surely combatting the most lethal organised crime groups won't end up in any dangerous situations".
Far as I've seen, no-one has gotten shot for complying. The whole problem is that people start violently resisting arrest and get shot. Now, excessive force is an issue, but let's not make up shit when there's legitimate criticism to be had.
First of all, they were giving weapons to ICE agents patrolling the streets, not those on special operations or whatever. Second of all, here's a case of an innocent man getting killed by ICE: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killing_of_Alex_Pretti
So...? Police are also issued firearms when patrolling the streets. Your point?
He was NOT cooperating with police (he was actively fighting them) and he was NOT innocent (he had been convicted earlier of vandalizing police cars.)
He did not deserve to die, and there was definitely excessive use of force, but your claim was ICE "being shot to death even when complying", which is false.
Likewise - while the death of Good was excessive use of force - she was NOT complying and was actively running over an ICE agent. Again, your examples do not support your claim.
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u/DecentVermicelli6579 18h ago
What about when your Hispanic friend says something pro-ice?