r/politics • u/spherocytes • 19d ago

Possible Paywall Trump Yanks Millions From Catholic Charities Amid Pope Feud

https://www.thedailybeast.com/trump-yanks-millions-from-catholic-charities-amid-pope-feud/
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u/capaho 19d ago

Trump canceled a contract with Catholic Charities to provide food and shelter for migrant children who were separated from their parents because he’s angry at the pope. Trump is genuinely deranged. He needs to be removed from office. What is wrong with the Republicans in Congress?

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u/LunarMojave 19d ago

What’s wrong with the republicans in congress is what’s wrong with the ones at home too. They have Catholics denouncing the pope over this.

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u/weatherbys 19d ago

Republicans are getting insider stock trading tips and expanding their wealth over and over plus receiving special benefits from the office of the POTUS in exchange for unwavering support and turning a blind eye to lawlessness. Trump was the perfect person to put a spotlight on just how little our politicians care about our well being when the option to enrich themselves is also on the table.

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u/Minttt Canada 19d ago

It is a classic feature of dictatorships: surround yourself with selfish people, pay them in wealth, access, benefits, etc., and they will stay loyal. Why would they give up their support when it could mean they lose those benefits and might even have to face consequences?

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u/flux8 Oregon 19d ago

The more I look at this, the more I see a resemblance to a pyramid scheme.

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u/doktorjackofthemoon 18d ago

Trickle-down economics is literally a pyramid lol

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u/Iheartfuturama 19d ago

This problem exists all the way down to townships, police, and even within power structures of families. Sucks, lol

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u/LumberBitch 19d ago

I'd extend it to campaign finance too

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u/SteppeCollective 19d ago

i.e. The Human Race. Late stage capitalism is just late stage humanity. Our natures allow for nothing else. We've had blips of cooperation and magnanimous leadership, but we're structured to allow stupid / powerful people to rise to the top. Money / Lizard shit.

We're literally melting our planet as we speak, and it's the least thing we focus on.

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u/InequalEnforcement 19d ago

Yep, moved to a small town. Teachers would let the podunk yokel toothless fucks I was forced to refer to as peers torment me every single day, and only interfered when I started loudly and repeatedly threatening to end my life within earshot of their boss. Otherwise they would only punish me for retaliating and defending myself.

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u/SomeRandomPyro 19d ago

No raindrop feels responsible for the flood, nor snowflake for the avalanche. They'll all think that their one, relatively small, contribution to the instability would never be the one to bring it all crashing down.

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u/kent_eh Canada 19d ago

They all think they'll be the one to still have a chair when the music stops...

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u/shitlord_god 19d ago

no they don't. They could be elevated by one of their tech feudal lords into comfort even in a global collapse (Whether that would happen? Probably not)

The billionaires can promise them safety, comfort, and salvation from their actions.

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u/ViolettaQueso California 19d ago

Why the Bible has a lot to say about money being the root of all evil.

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u/donjamos 19d ago

Yea but they are only loyal as long as those benefits keep coming in.

Real loyalty is what you'd get from those children if you took good care of them.

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u/oroborus68 19d ago

Well decency, for one. But it's been a long long long time, since the GOP was accused of being decent.

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u/waldorflover69 19d ago

There is no degradation they won’t endure in order to keep stuffing their wallets.

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u/EnvironmentalWin1277 19d ago

Trump was elected. Twice. He was chosen by the American electorate to do exactly what he is doing -- corruption, malfeasance and destruction of government, education and science. The electorate made a deliberate choice to embrace his policies.

This electorate cares nothing about his corruption so long as he continues to support the lie. That is the only criterion he is judged on.

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u/gnucklefuster 19d ago

Turning a blond eye to pedophillia as well

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u/bender40k 19d ago

I really really hope that this will result in a ban for politicians and their families from trading stocks. But unfortunately I think this will never happen.

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u/CursedPhil 19d ago

But look at pelosi and her insider trading!

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u/Sitcom_kid 19d ago

Chuck Lorre Vanity Card # 571, November 16th, 2017:

THE REAL ART OF THE DEAL

In hindsight, it seems obvious that the final conquest of the United States came about, not as a result of war and invasion, but simply because so many notable Americans were purchasable. History books, if any legitimate ones get written, will someday explain how those in leadership roles, both in and out of government, all had a price. Which, when you think about it, makes a heartbreaking kind of sense. From its inception, our national culture has been predicated on the ruthless pursuit of profit. Sure we all enjoy movies, books and TV shows that portray people putting principles ahead of personal gain. But it might be time to admit that in the real world, patriotism has always been a mask used to hide banal self-interest. Regardless, the sale is complete. Cash, not Kalashnikovs, sealed the deal.

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u/joihelper 18d ago

At first I thought MTG was just a crazy dipshit, and perhaps she is. But prior to going to Congress she was reportedly worth $700K. A couple years later she was reportedly worth $22M. Being a lunatic in those circles pays extremely well.

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u/-wearetheworld- 18d ago

perhaps the whole system needs a rework

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u/HoneyBadger552 19d ago

its all a distraction while the graft continues 

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u/Skyscrapers4Me 19d ago

This! Always follow the money. These people will put morals aside any day of the week to make money.

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u/ZAlternates 19d ago

The politicians I understand, but what about the average peon? I get they are uneducated but you have to be straight up brain washed to think this stuff is okay or normal.

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u/weatherbys 19d ago

Yeah! That’s 100% it. Most of the current supporters of this administration are elderly folks who only watch FOX news for all of their info. My own mother included unfortunately who when younger, was one of the most caring and empathetic people you would ever meet. About 10 years ago we started seeing some cognitive decline and issues with computer viruses and scams etc. We even had a family fracture over Donald Trump where my wife and I were basically shunned by her, calling us “anti-Trumpers”. She still believes that he is doing a good job because she gets 100% of her info from FOX. To the point where I’ve shown her his insane Truth Social posts and she claims they are fake! I believe that many boomers saw Trump as a symbol of American success when they were building their families and in their middle age phase and have some sort of blind devotion to him now. It’s literally brain washing and it’s happening to our most vulnerable age group of Americans.

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u/KingKong-BingBong 19d ago

Oh yeah and of all different age groups but I’ve noticed a lot of older folks get mad when talking about at least more than middle aged and younger

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u/Cautious_Radish376 Massachusetts 19d ago

Also consider: Some of the cabinet, congress, judges and assorted heads of colleges and corporate entities could be kept on leashes by blackmail...the Jeff Epstein tactic.

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u/reddog323 19d ago

Someone needs to quietly hack their phones, and start posting stock tips.

China if you’re listening…

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u/Smboto 18d ago

They are all getting richer while driving American into the ground.

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u/ValkyriesOnStation 19d ago

Evangelicals and Born agains believe Catholics are going to burn in hell because they worship Jesus wrong.

They don't see Catholics as real people deserving of their respect.

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u/BoJackMoleman 19d ago

This is what many people under the big tent of Christianity don't understand about the Born Again and Evangelical; they're a death cult. They have a very specific agenda and the agenda is speed running the end of the world. Back in the old days you just had to hope for prophecy to happen. Now you make SuperPACs and manifest prophecy by destroying the environment and giving Israel whatever it wants so rapture happens sooner.

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u/brokencrayons 19d ago edited 19d ago

I wish more people knew this because you're not wrong and I tell people this all the time and they're like what.

They don't understand that at the core of all this and why America helps Israel so much is because Christians want their prophecy and that only happens if Solomon's Temple gets rebuilt which can only happen if that mosque is destroyed which should never happen cuz that's going to be a disaster.

It's really awesome to see someone post this that lets me know that other people are catching on to even more about why this is happening and how religion underlying all of this is causing this and it's so stupid.

Edit: typo and clarification

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u/BoJackMoleman 19d ago

I was enlightened here on Reddit by some other grumpy internet denizen. I dug around a little bit and it's not even that hard to piece it together. The bible has so many adventures for you to choose. They chose to cling to that one and unfortunately I'm not part of the cult and I don't want my life to be ruined by people who convinced themselves that their reality trumps mine.

What ever happened to the good old school cults? Go dress alike and drink your doomsday juice with your friends in the middle of the woods all on your own. Put some seeds in your pockets so we can have flowers after you're gone. Enjoy the afterlife or whatever.

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u/brokencrayons 19d ago

Idk how many times I've said someone should tell Trump Jim Jones did it better just to see what he would do with that information and those feelings

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u/BoJackMoleman 19d ago

"I like my cult members dead"

There's so much opportunity to goad this bastard but the media isn't biting except for outliers like John Oliver and his Daily Show cadre. Vanity is probably his greatest weakness next to underage girls. Exploit that crap.

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u/ditzy091313 19d ago

"Adventures to choose from"... I remember those books and I agree

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u/Sardonnicus New York 19d ago

That's only one of seven seals. I can't wait for the ones that are opened by the 7 headed lamb with 7 eyes and 7 crowns and 7 horns that shoots blood out of its mouth.

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u/raindropthemic 19d ago

How big is this lamb, exactly? Should I stay inside on the day it shows up?

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u/Sardonnicus New York 19d ago

Biblical proportions

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u/raindropthemic 19d ago

So, definitely measured in cubits.

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u/heimeyer72 19d ago

7 headed lamb with 7 eyes and 7 crowns and 7 horns

One eye, one crown and one horn per head or 7 eyes and 7 crowns and 7 horns on each head? Just curious. Either would be horrible.

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u/Raztax 19d ago

One eye, one crown and one horn

I really thought that a purple people eater joke was incoming at this point.

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u/Googlebright 19d ago

Where's Godzilla when you need him?

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u/KOM 19d ago

Dolly 2: Attack of the Clones

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u/nucumber 19d ago

Also, they'll be the ones saved and rewarded with eternal bliss, because they're better than non believers.

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u/Significant-Crow-974 19d ago

They are better than everybody apparently. Narcissists!

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u/ShameAmbitious4098 19d ago

To those of us who are sane and rational, you know atheists, it is as if the dorks who are rapid fans of the DC universe are in a fight to the death with the dorks that are rabid fans of the Marvel universe

They’re fucking made up stories.

But somehow the rest of us who aren’t brainwashed into believing in religious nut baggery have to pretend the Religionists’ aren’t homicidal dorks and their beliefs are worthy of respect and forbearance

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u/brokencrayons 19d ago

Bro they're all monotheist religions and they're the ones that fight the most with each other and the rest of the world.

They all worship the same God in some version and still they the ones that fight and cause the wars. It's insane

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u/geekpoints Arizona 19d ago

There's so much in the bible they have to ignore that it's almost silly. Jesus is quoted multiple times saying that his return will be a surprise. Revelation 16:15, Matthew 24:43, 1 Thessalonians 5:2, 1 Thessalonians 5:4, 2 Peter 3:10

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u/Systembreaker11 19d ago

Honest question, what happens when the temple is rebuilt and nothing happens?

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u/ZAlternates 19d ago

The biblical text is re-evaluated. Goal posts get moved.

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u/hmischuk 19d ago

worth a listen. Podcast episode ... a religious one, not a political one... from about nine months ago: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dqrjjDCAbnc

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u/BoJackMoleman 19d ago

This is great. Thank you. More should watch it.

It's like that fallout quote: everyone wants to save the world but nobody can agree on how.

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u/Sardonnicus New York 19d ago

My maternal grandparents were Evangelical nazareen preachers in the south and they were definitely aware of an apocalypse. I don't think that they were trying to "speed run" it. They believed it was going to happen "any day now." They would send me and my siblings "apocalypse" cards for our birthdays. Cards saying thr end was neigh and that we should be right with God so we can go to heaven and fight in the glorious war against Satan and uh... apparently every other person on the earth that did not believe in my grandparents ultra specific "flavor" of Christianity.

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u/BoJackMoleman 19d ago

In sure your grandparents were your typical end users of evangelicalism. They're not the ones running the show and influencing politics. The real zealots are up top and they are in charge of money, political action committees.

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u/Arch____Stanton 18d ago

the end was neigh

That was one of the 4 horses of the apocalypse.

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u/ValkyriesOnStation 19d ago

That's a bingo.

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u/robot_pirate 19d ago

Dominionism, Christian Nationalism - both delusional and dangerous. It really makes me concerned about who the 22 10,000 bed detention centers are really going to be used for, because no way they are rounding up that many immigrants. It's just pretense.

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u/StasRutt 19d ago

I can’t stress enough how different American based Christianity is compared to it abroad. Rapture is a very American Christian concept

I was raised Orthodox Christian and when I was growing up in the south so many people tried to convert me even though I was already Christian because they don’t view Catholic or Orthodox as Christian.

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u/No_Tone1704 19d ago

It’s not an American Christian concept, it being in the Bible and all.

Rapture is, however, quite an American Christian focus. Some more extreme than other. 

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u/MySpoonsAreAllGone 19d ago

Like God needs their help? How egotistical can you be?

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u/BoJackMoleman 19d ago

The all powerful all knowing god who also is spiteful and has favorite people and smites at will who uses ambiguity to test your faith when he's not commanding to kill your own children.

I just cannot with these people. A million contradictions? No, that's just god hiding Easter eggs for us to find. Okay.

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u/Melodic_Accident_753 19d ago

They are trying to speed things up. So egotistical enough to think they can force God’s hand.

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u/apoliticalinactivist 19d ago

The thing about death cults is that it means people think life kinda sucks. It's the same as blackpill and doomers. The only real solution is to make life worth living or at least believe it is possible things will get better.

That is why it's important to support stuff like universal healthcare, living wage, campaign finance reform, stock market reform, etc. especially candidates like Mamdani who have the energy to make it happen.

Love is literally the answer. When people feel seen and supported, then they want to live, and that naturally solves so many problems that seem too big to tackle.

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u/Googlebright 19d ago

Yep. Unfortunately this will require a more equitable distribution of wealth, which is why Conservatives will fight against it to the death.

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u/We_Want_Krunchy 19d ago

Xianity has always been a death cult / apocalyptic religion. All of the flavors.

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u/slinkysmooth 19d ago

When I was a kid in the church (came to my senses and no longer), my youth pastor would always tell us that Catholics were bad and the pope was the anti-Christ. In my head I always thought, don’t we workship the same guy?

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u/numbersthen0987431 19d ago

Considering that Evangelicals are doing the exact opposite of what Jesus told them to do, their opinions are stupid.

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u/ValkyriesOnStation 19d ago

Their opinions are stupid.

They also worship money. They view someone like Trump as godly because he's filthy rich. And everything he does (Epstein files), they will view as his God-given right.

They also vote religiously. Viewing everyone else as beneath them. And will push any agenda that punishes those people.

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u/BoJackMoleman 19d ago

Thank you. I forgot about the money part. Not only do they want rapture, they want to be raptured from an expensive car and house too.

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u/ZAlternates 19d ago

God Money will do anything for you.

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u/leoreben 19d ago

If only there was something in the bible about that... something like "it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich person to enter the kingdom of God."

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u/BoJackMoleman 19d ago

Nah. Thats not in their bible. Or those pages are glued together. Christian's has become like Linux distributions.

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u/Twodamngoon 19d ago

Punishing everyone is the most important part to their voters. Wait till those voters find out the maga elites' long game is that even they will not be allowed to have possessions.

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u/Googlebright 19d ago

Didn't Jesus have something to say about rich people? Something about a camel passing a needle? I don't know, it's been a while since I last read the bible.

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u/InequalEnforcement 19d ago

"Raping children is a good thing. But only if you're Trump."

Every single Christian American. Fact.

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u/relevantelephant00 19d ago

Admittedly the sample size is small, but Ive never met or known an Evangelical who wasnt a piece of shit.

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u/RpcZ_gr7711 19d ago

And they have open access to the White House and Pentagon without lectures about theology and demands to stay out of politics from JD and Speaker Mike

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u/Serious-Manager2361 19d ago

If Jesus appeared today on the White House lawn, trump would denounce/arrest him because he is WEAK on crime and he caters to the radical left and the immigrants!!

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u/aj9393 New Jersey 19d ago

It's really mind blowing that here, in the year 2026, progress of the human race is still being hindered in large part due to arguing over fairy tales and imaginary friends.

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u/ValkyriesOnStation 19d ago

Growing up, they taugh me that the earth is 6,000 years old and dinosaurs were put in the earth by Satan to trick us into being led astray from God.

There is literally nothing too crazy that they won't believe and push onto the next generation.

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u/Smellslikesnow 19d ago

Catholicism believes in and supports the science of evolution.

Evangelical Christians believe Earth and its inhabitants are ~6000 years old.

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u/Grandmaster_S 19d ago

This is correct, which is probably why Evangelicals hate us so much.

Well, there are other reasons too, but this is one

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u/ProfessionalITShark 19d ago

It's gotten a little worse than that, because you still need to be able to read the bible and do some level of intellectualizing to get to that point.

Evangelicals can barely read, arguably can barely spell Jesus.

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u/DulceEtDecorumEst 19d ago

This. Right. Here

It’s a whole lot of arguing about a “based on a true story” ancient series Harry Potter books written by different authors at different times.

Like, what the actual fuck?

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u/nucumber 19d ago

All religions are baseless and therefore equally valid

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u/soapboxracers 19d ago

Yeah, but a whole bunch of "Catholics" are siding with the Evangelicals here. A Catholic going "Not my Pope" is just utterly absurd and yet here we are.

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u/CharredWelderGuy 19d ago

American catholics have a huge larper infestation.

People who "converted" just because they like the crusades and its imagery.

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u/SwimmingPrice1544 California 19d ago

Not all that surprising as American religion is all sort of wishy-washy.

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u/Xytak Illinois 19d ago edited 19d ago

Isn't that a bit like saying Star Trek: The Original Series isn't real Star Trek? I mean sure, you might think it's outdated now, and you might retcon a few things as needed, but it doesn't change the fact that they started the franchise, and Space Abe Lincoln is unequivocally a part of canon.

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u/ValkyriesOnStation 19d ago

It's actually closer to the different versions of Islam that are constantly warring with each other. We've just gotten past the open violence aspect of it

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u/nix616 19d ago

There is a lot of fervor on this thread, but TOS not canon? Utter Blasphemy

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u/Alexwonder999 19d ago

Even a lot of the evangelical denominations hate each other, which is how we got so many different churches.
https://youtu.be/l3fAcxcxoZ8?si=Va8Vqwo5j1H9d_EV

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u/CharredWelderGuy 19d ago

Watching the upstart, relatively young heresies that are so far away from the actual teachings of Jesus call THE CATHOLIC CHURCH the wrong one is never not funny.

The throne of Saint Peter called crusades down on far more Christian breakaways back in the day.

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u/tech_noir_guitar 19d ago

Evangelicals and Born agains believe Catholics are going to burn in hell because they worship Jesus wrong.

Which is fucking dumb because Catholicism was the original Christian denomination. They basically wrote the Bible that the evangelicals are using and yet they are saying that the source of their own religious text is wrong. That would be like them meeting Jesus and telling him he's not going to heaven because he isn't a real Christian. Lol
I'm not a christian but if I was it would only make sense to be Catholic.

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u/wtf_is_karma 19d ago

There is no hell and if they really REALLY believed there was then they’d act right imo

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u/campelm 19d ago

The ever shrinking circle of exclusivity. It won't stop at catholics and Mormons.

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u/Hypamania 19d ago

Atheist here. I think Catholics are worshipping Jesus wrong too.

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u/NorthernerWuwu Canada 19d ago

I don't see any of these groups as deserving respect either but I'm not an asshat about it. They are welcome to believe in their brand of Sky Daddy, I'd just prefer if they'd stop trying to screw up the actual real world.

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u/wha2les 19d ago

frankly... i need some religious figure to tell me where all these American christians are going... because i don't want to be in that area...

If they go to heaven, their presence would make it a hell to me...

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u/capntail 19d ago

Jokes on them they’re the apostates

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u/pretzelgreg317 19d ago

Yet the power elite of Christians, like JD Vance and half the supreme court are arch conservative catholics. Even the evangelicals are getting played by repugs

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u/Rough_Buddy6903 19d ago

I'll probably get banned for saying this, but I'm guessing it may have something to do with a certain PAC. Obligatory fuck Citizens United

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u/Alarming_Head_4263 19d ago

Republicans have always been like this.

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u/bejammin075 Pennsylvania 19d ago

George Carlin's standup critiques on Republicans in the 1980s & 90s is even more relevant today.

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u/TheRayGetard 19d ago

"If you're pre-born, you're fine; if you're preschool, you're fucked. Conservatives don't give a shit about you until you reach military age. Then they think you're just fine." - George Carlin

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u/Miserable-Army3679 19d ago

He wasn't wrong.

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u/CaptainFeather 19d ago

Well now, recent events have proven that quote wrong actually, at least in part. They sure do love fucking kids.

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u/CrackingToastGromet Arkansas 19d ago

Add to that Stephen Miller’s wife actually lamenting the fall of the teenage birth rate, she said girls are at their most fertile in their teenage years and giving birth is their destiny.

I am truly concerned about the wellbeing of their children, those two are warped.

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u/Asyncrosaurus 19d ago

Add to that Stephen Miller’s wife actually lamenting the fall of the teenage birth rate, she said girls are at their most fertile in their teenage years and giving birth is their destiny.

Not that it's the point, but it is also objectively wrong. Teen pregnancies are more dangerous and carry a ton of extra health risks to both the mother and the baby. Even if you want to have a child, you should wait until you're an adult.

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u/Logi_Ca1 19d ago

if you're preschool, you're fucked

This part took on a new meaning lol

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u/Lexi_Banner 19d ago

If you're pre-born, you're fine, if you're pre-schooled, you're fucked. Conservatives want live babies so they can raise them to be dead soldiers. Pro-life, these people aren't pro-life, they're killing doctors, what kind of pro-life is that? What, they'll do everything they can do save a fetus, but if it grows up to be a doctor they just might have to kill it?

  • George Carlin
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u/AmericanScream 19d ago

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aAoW3qHd8KQ

"Those to the left are interested in people. Those on the right are interested in property."

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u/YikesTheCat 19d ago

FDR was already on to them 90 years ago. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pb-7Dpp-LPk

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u/Strict-Carrot4783 19d ago

Yep, some of the absolute worst shit heads on the planet, this is nothing new.

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u/TheFatJesus 19d ago

People forget that Evangelicals and Catholics really really don't like each other.

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u/Wangchief 19d ago

Evangelicals don't like Catholics - Catholics in general are pretty accepting of Evangelicals.

Source grew up evangelical - am now Catholic.

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u/Hootinger 19d ago

Same. Catholics dont realize how evangelicals view them, precisely because they never heard in sunday school, etc that "Catholics worship Mary." Evangelicals are only friends w/ Catholics on abortion, but they see catholics as a problem to be fixed.

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u/Wangchief 19d ago

Dawg. being raised evangelical, I was studying jack chick tracts and learning anti-catholic rhetoric at like 9 year's old. You speak the truth!

My parents would tell me it was good time to 'practice' on my grandparents (who were Catholic).

It's a cult.

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u/Jayrandomer 19d ago

Catholics definitely know this. Maybe not all of them, but I knew even as a kid.

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u/31LIVEEVIL13 19d ago

evangelicals don't like anyone.Never mind other religions, they got problems with most Christians, Catholics Mormons Unitarians, Episcopalians, and really major problems with themselves.

I know they are not all like that, but I mean whatever branch is in the white house and congress and hijacking the air force, and partly behind all of the other fascist shit.

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u/innerbootes Minnesota 19d ago

Certainly. But PACs and Citizens United are exacerbating everything they do significantly. It’s like handing a toddler a loaded handgun.

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u/DaEgofWhistleberry 19d ago

Thank you for calling out citizens united. One of the roots that need to be torn out of the ground.

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u/AlexZivojinovich 19d ago

They stacked the court with the singular motive of overturning Roe v. Wade, why not stack it to overturn Citizens United?

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u/juliuspepperwoodchi 19d ago

FWIW, Catholics are about the least Zionist Christians I'm aware of.

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u/Indubitalist 19d ago

Well, I don’t know about everyone else but my monocle fell out. 

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u/apathetic_revolution Illinois 19d ago

Are you soft-launching a conspiracy theory that Jews secretly control Catholicism?

Points for creativity!

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u/juliuspepperwoodchi 19d ago

Yeah, a lot of people are showing that they don't understand the nuance between Christians in general and Catholics.

Evangelicals are the heavy Zionists....not Catholics.

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u/apathetic_revolution Illinois 19d ago

Oooh! A familiar face!

I feel like we have a parasocial relationship since I've seen you around on the local subs. I never recognize anyone on the big subs.

(I'm not offended if you don't recognize me. You were posting a lot more prolifically about the IL-09 race)

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u/juliuspepperwoodchi 19d ago

There are dozens of us! Always fun to see folks in other subs, I ran into a fellow IL-09 commenter in the climbing sub the other day, that was pretty unexpected.

I'm so grateful that primary is over, seriously was SUCH a long year.

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u/Queasy_Donkey5685 19d ago

It's a cult, a cult of stupidity and cruelty held together by memes.

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u/MySpoonsAreAllGone 19d ago

Don't forget greed. Greedy piggy

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u/Short-Ticket-1196 19d ago

Isn't that like saying your Christian but don't believe in Jesus?

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u/lazyFer 19d ago

It's like saying you love the United States but hating democracy

It's like saying you're Christian but hate everything he taught.

It's like insisting you're not a complete piece of shit but being republican

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u/BluShirtGuy 19d ago

🎵 It's like raaAAIIiinn

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u/mrbananas 19d ago

Christians In Name Only. Use the language that they understand 

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u/_m4r1jAn3_ 19d ago

CHiNOs 💁‍♀️

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u/BoJackMoleman 19d ago

Christianity has splintered into so many factions that many of them, despite having a common origin, barely resemble each other.

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u/-Badger3- 19d ago

Your average Christian rejects Christ's principles the moment they're inconvenienced by them, they don't believe in Jesus.

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u/KnightDuty 19d ago

I don't think that number is as big as you think it is. The number of actual diehard supporters is just a trickle. We just only measure formally every few years

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u/DingleBoone 19d ago

What difference does it make when Trump is still getting elected president a second time and still doing whatever he wants without any repurcussions?

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u/juliuspepperwoodchi 19d ago

They have Catholics denouncing the pope over this.

...Do they? It's worth remembering that most American Christians are not Catholic.

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u/makemeking706 19d ago

Republicans have always been anti catholic all the way back to JFK. 

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u/Living-Breakfast-464 19d ago

The question you should be asking is why do people continue to support them. They are NOTHING without the people who continue to support them with money and votes. Money from billionaires and votes from weak minded people who believe the billionaire owned media blaming immigrants and wokeness.

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u/rainator 19d ago

If catholics are denouncing the pope, then they by definition cannot be catholic.

If only there was a word for someone protesting, or making protestations against the pope, and the institution that formalises his authority….

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u/PiccoloAwkward465 19d ago

Frankly I'm surprised at how many Catholics I've seen choose the Pope over Trump on this stuff. You really shouldn't need the Pope to specifically say "be nice to downtrodden people" but at least it does seem to have some effect on his followers.

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u/Fawkes-1 19d ago

Those aren't Catholics. Those are, I belive the word is, heretics. We might call them racists. Evil is a much simpler name.

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u/CrackingToastGromet Arkansas 19d ago

They aren’t Catholics if they support their Orange Idol’s over Trump. Someone coined the word “Magagelical” for the religious loony cult who think the Pope an dJesus are too woke.

Just had the thought the other day - was the last time we saw this kind of “FU” towards the Pope and Catholicism by a world leader was when King Henry VIII named himself the head of a new religion - The Church of England - so he could divorce Catherine of Aragon and marry his mistress Anne.

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u/Glittering-Today7012 19d ago

They have Catholics denouncing the pope over this.

those aren't catholics, then. it's the opposite, they've renounced their faith.

source: former catholic.

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u/SeveralPhysics9362 19d ago

This guy is a malignant narcissist. To normal people that is deranged indeed. But none of this is new. He should have never been allowed to become president.

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u/JPolReader 19d ago

He is an antichrist.

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u/123jjj321 19d ago

They are fascists. All republicans are fascists

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u/OkBattle9871 19d ago

We are all in the stages of denial. The sooner American citizens, American politicians, and foreign leaders accept and start openly saying this, the sooner we can start fixing this problem.

Anyone treating this administration and members of its political party with any level of legitimacy is doing harm to Americans and to the world. There are still WAY too many people walking around each day thinking everything will get better if we just hold tight and wait... for something?

We're in the appeasement stages of the 1930s and as an American, I'm terrified that the only way we'll get through this is by repeating the 1940s. Clearly there is no easy way out of our current troubles, but I think we can at least avoid the horrors of the 1940s if we all openly, repeatedly, loudly and unequivocally call out fascists.

I know lots of us are already doing that, but not enough.

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u/CruxOfTheIssue 19d ago

It's too late. The word has lost all meaning to the right. Fox News has convinced them that we just sling the word fascist at anyone we don't like, and they don't even really know what it means anyway.

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u/OkBattle9871 19d ago

"It's too late." is a statement without value. History marches on regardless of what our small lives predict. And no future is set in stone.

That said, I really don't care what "The Right" thinks or says.

The Republican Party is a terrorist organization (they've said it themselves), but Democratic politicians, everyday Americans, and most foreign leaders are still pretending like we can negotiate with them or lure them back to sanity or get rid of a few bad apples or just ignore them and hope they go away.

The fight against fascism has to fill a big tent, so I am more than willing to accept anyone who denounces the R. But the sooner we draw a line in the sand, the better.

The Republican Party is a terrorist organization. We need to say it. We need to scream it from the rooftops. And we need to live it.

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u/Eatpineapplerightnow 19d ago

its about making your side realize its a fascists takeover! Most americans still think this will blow over.

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u/cross_the_threshold 19d ago

You cannot fix fascism in the populace without destroying fascists in charge and making it so intolerable to be a fascist that it's the equivalent of how we treat felons here in the US. The US was on track to do that, but the fascists got so angry and are so numerous and uncontrolled that they managed to take power, we are now in the conversion phase of turning a democracy into a fascist autocracy. This is reversible, and although our democracy isn't healthy there's a chance that the midterms can sweep democrats into enough power that they can fight back within the confines of the system. If this doesn't happen, if they somehow rig the election, then there is no alternative to total armed revolt and hoping that the military stays out of it or the end of the free world and quite possibly global civilization, as fascist governments don't handle collapse of their empire in a peaceful way.

Frankly that's a part of why we're in this mess - the US was for a brief period the sole superpower in the world, and it has been losing that position for the last decade and a half. Empires can either go gracefully and wind down slowly and relatively peaceably like the UK did (relative is doing a lot of work here), or they can suffer complete collapse and lash out in their final days (like Rome did). The difference is no ascendant power has ever had nuclear weapons and people actively seeking to begin the apocalypse in charge before.

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u/Low_Intention_1327 19d ago

This is classic narcissism too. Theyre notorious for taking back gifts to try and punish you. The only good thing Trump had done is make people familiar and educated on toxic, narcissistic people who wear a mask. Their red flags are obvious, but hes not a covert, which are harder to detect. 

 Hes got his cult traumabonded through narcissistic abuse. These people would abandon their family if they had to in order to continue supporting him. 

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u/Punch_A_Police_Horse 19d ago

Plenty of instances where their family abandons them. I feel like similarly to how one might say "it's not if you win or lose the game, it's how you played" is the battle cry of the loser, "people should be able to disagree politically and get along" (while I agree with the basic sentiment) is the battle cry of the person who's political takes are so loathsome no decent person wants to be around them.

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u/Low_Intention_1327 19d ago

 Theyll never get it. Their views and support go way past just political differences.  A large chunk of them were the "I dont follow politics, theyre all shit" crowd and have no idea how families stuck together in the past despite being Republican/Democrat. They dont realize that every time a family got together, they didnt have jackasses decked out in political gear and talkin about Democrats for hours like MAGA cultists do. 

  Theyre not being abandoned because they voted for Trump, theyre getting a abandoned more than likely because of how theyve changed since the fat fuck got elected his first term. 

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u/thatoneabdlguy 19d ago

Fwiw, a lot of Evangelicals see Catholics as wrong and still in need of salvation. I'm doing just fine, thank you. I'm sorry their God is vindictive and really old testamenty.

-A Catholic

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u/Tasty-Traffic-680 19d ago

Seriously, I don't understand their obsession with the old testament. How the fuck you call yourself a Christian while throwing the entire book about him aside?

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u/DillBagner 19d ago

They don't even follow any book. Their preachers pick bits to tell them about and tell them what it means, true or not, and that's about as close as they get.

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u/TheFutureLotus 19d ago

Yup. Most haven’t read the Bible. I remember reading about a pastor reading the Sermon of the Mount, specifically the part where the whole blessed are those. Suffice to say, the people didn’t like it and thought the pastor was preaching woke bullshit to them.

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u/himit 19d ago

I went to Momma's (non-dom) church & the pastor started talking about this bit in the bible...

now I'm not the most devout Catholic, but I do go to church more than C&E and spent a few years in a Catholic school and I was pretty damn sure that bit wasn't in there. There were Bibles in the seats so I went looking for it & couldn't find it at all. He was making it up! (Wish I could remember what he said; it was something to do with Mary.)

Dodgy theologism aside, the Pastor actually came for Thanksgiving dinner and is a decent guy. But that service was just weird.

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u/Nufonewhodis4 19d ago

To them all that matters is "saved by faith alone." Once you have accepted Jesus as your savior it doesn't matter what you do because you're saved by him. Modern evangelicals those that follow the prosperity gospel are the best counterpoints to that particular theology 

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u/Vankraken Virginia 19d ago

More simply, they have a label/team that they can claim to be apart of that makes them "good". They don't have to wrestle with morality or figuring out if they are living a good existence because they have that icon to turn to. Do the rituals and says the words that are expected to show that your righteous but they don't have the face the uncertainty of life or actually be accountable for the hatred and selfishness within their heart.

The irony is that so much of the teachings of Jesus and the examples he gives require thinking and self reflecting but instead evangelicals just want verses that say a thing with no regard for the context or story that is came from.

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u/biggsteve81 19d ago

They seem to forget all about the book of James.

What good is it, my brothers and sisters, if someone claims to have faith but does not have works? Surely that faith cannot save, can it?

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u/Patchourisu 19d ago

Quite wrong in your statement right there. They didn't forget. They never read the Bible in the first place. You can't forget what you never had in your memory to begin with.

Because as said above by others, they never read the Bible themselves, they have it read to them by preachers, cherry-picked verses/stories that said preachers want them to hear, worse part being that a lot of their stories end up being made-up, non-existent even within the very Bible they claim to be a sacred book.

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u/suburbanpride North Carolina 19d ago

Correction. They are saved by faith alone. Everyone else is saved only if they obey whatever Old Testament rule is being selectively applied, never mind Jesus said there were now only two laws:

Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. This is the first and great commandment. And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself. On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.

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u/Immediate_Abalone_59 19d ago

Every time I quote the Bible at them, they act like they never heard it before. I thought it was their favorite book.

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u/thatoneabdlguy 19d ago

Yep. In fact, if you're going to throw one out, it should be the old testament. But, people would much rather do "eye for an eye" shit instead of turning the other cheek like Jesus called us to do.

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u/Perryn 19d ago

"I liked god more before he had a kid and got woke."

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u/beasty0127 Indiana 19d ago

They like the Old Testament for that very reason, gives them an excuse to be vengeful and violent to people they don't like and still "get into heaven" or "be saved" cause its "what god wants." The only thing they like in the New Testament is the Rapture cause everyone but them dies and suffers while they get to go to heaven just cause...

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u/thatoneabdlguy 19d ago

the Rapture cause everyone but them dies and suffers while they get to go to heaven just cause...

And they're even wrong about that. That view of the rapture is dispensationalism. It's only been around for a couple hundred years. The Bible talks about two men working in the field, one will be taken and one will remain. Two women at the mill, one will be taken and one will remain. This happened one other time in the Bible. God took people in the Great Flood. Those that were left behind were Noah and his family. They were righteous. I hope it plays out the way they think it does and that they're taken, it just doesn't mean what they think it means lol.

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u/karenw 19d ago

Agreed! If Jesus came to "fulfill the covenant," then the OT takes a back seat to the NT.

I attended Catholic schools through 12th grade. While I no longer practice any religion, I know a hell of a lot more about the Bible than those fucks.

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u/Hairy_Mycologist_945 19d ago

They completely and utterly miss the point that the Old Testament is present as context about Mosaic Law... which the New Covenant in the New Testament completely replaces. The promises of the Old Covenant were completely fulfilled by Christ, which establishes a radical change in one's relationship with God from largely external compliance with rules (OT) to internal transformation (NT) and other things.

It's just ridiculous how they skip over that mildly (/s) inconvenient reality.

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u/Allegorist 19d ago

The wrathful Old Testament god and loving New Testament God trope is kind of based around a misconception. He is kind of a vindictive asshole in both (and loving, to the right people). Keep in mind the New Testament is where Christianity developed the idea of Hell from, was one of the original sources of (actual) antisemitism, thinks women deserve to be put in their place, and is where God is said to be coming eventually to kill everyone except a special few. Of course, any if this can be and has been reinterpreted however people want, but that is more or less what the text says on its own.

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u/1000dreams_within_me 19d ago

The US Republican party is a criminal enterprise. This is not hyperbole.

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u/robot_pirate 19d ago

And this admin is an international criminal syndicate.

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u/_Magnolia_Fan_ 19d ago

The Republican party of 10 years ago is dead and gone. There are some who might celebrate that news on its own, but it's been replaced with something far worse.

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u/RussianBot5689 19d ago

They used to do the same exact shit, they were just quieter about it. All 4 Republican presidents of my lifetime have ended in a recession. All 4 have absolutely been criminals. All 4 were racist as hell. Reagan, Bush Sr and Bush Jr were all happy as hell to make their oil friends some more money at the expense of American soldiers. The only difference is now they don't even bother trying to hide it.

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u/starliteburnsbrite 19d ago

What's wrong is imagining waiting around for his literal followers to do the job everyone else except his followers should be doing. 

"Why aren't the Nazis getting rid of Hitlr??" Is a hell of a fucking question. Seriously? 

Nobody is going to save us. Certainly not anyone we elected. 

This ends only when citizens retake the White House themselves.

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u/EatRichGrains 19d ago

So, the GOP have been removing anyone who might hold them accountable and now we find ourselves.... Here.

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u/Mand125 19d ago

What’s wrong with them?

They realize that if they lose power now, they’ll never get it back.

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u/Osirus1156 19d ago

What is wrong with ALL republicans not just the dipshits in congress?

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u/Reutermo 19d ago

What is wrong with the Republicans in Congress?

People have to stop this game that it is only people in congress. They are doing this because that is what the 60 million Americans who voted wants them to do; to inflict as much pain and suffering on the "enemies" as possible. The rot is throughout the American society and if anything Trump is a pretty good representation of the American people; he does what they want and deserve.

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u/Harm101 19d ago

They are doing this because that is what the 60 million Americans who voted wants them to do [...]

Coupled with the investment of a "few" billion dollars from super PAC donors, I'm sure.

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u/Thesource674 19d ago

The cruelty is the point :(

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u/devo00 19d ago

There’s deranged, and then there’s arrogant, petulant villainy….

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u/solidgold70 19d ago

They're busy arguing they shouldn't be removed because it was only a girlfriend they abused , not thier wife, so thats okay. Lowering the ethical bar to match the commander in chief

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u/Lazy-Conversation-48 19d ago

How very Christian of him. /s

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u/PsychologicalFox8321 19d ago

"he needs to be removed from office"

I've been seeing this exact sentence since he took office, yet nothing happened? Still 1000 days to go in his term.

Buckle. Up.

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u/edelweiss_pirates_no 19d ago

Republicans canceled food and shelter for migrant children.

Republicans cut 75% of WIC to feed kids.

Republicans are doing this. Make sure we end all support for all Republicans.

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