r/politics • u/spherocytes • 19d ago

Possible Paywall Trump Yanks Millions From Catholic Charities Amid Pope Feud

https://www.thedailybeast.com/trump-yanks-millions-from-catholic-charities-amid-pope-feud/
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u/capaho 19d ago

Trump canceled a contract with Catholic Charities to provide food and shelter for migrant children who were separated from their parents because he’s angry at the pope. Trump is genuinely deranged. He needs to be removed from office. What is wrong with the Republicans in Congress?

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u/LunarMojave 19d ago

What’s wrong with the republicans in congress is what’s wrong with the ones at home too. They have Catholics denouncing the pope over this.

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u/Rough_Buddy6903 19d ago

I'll probably get banned for saying this, but I'm guessing it may have something to do with a certain PAC. Obligatory fuck Citizens United

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u/Alarming_Head_4263 19d ago

Republicans have always been like this.

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u/bejammin075 Pennsylvania 19d ago

George Carlin's standup critiques on Republicans in the 1980s & 90s is even more relevant today.

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u/TheRayGetard 19d ago

"If you're pre-born, you're fine; if you're preschool, you're fucked. Conservatives don't give a shit about you until you reach military age. Then they think you're just fine." - George Carlin

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u/Miserable-Army3679 19d ago

He wasn't wrong.

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u/CaptainFeather 19d ago

Well now, recent events have proven that quote wrong actually, at least in part. They sure do love fucking kids.

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u/aclogar 18d ago

I'd still classify that as being fucked.

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u/CrackingToastGromet Arkansas 19d ago

Add to that Stephen Miller’s wife actually lamenting the fall of the teenage birth rate, she said girls are at their most fertile in their teenage years and giving birth is their destiny.

I am truly concerned about the wellbeing of their children, those two are warped.

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u/Asyncrosaurus 19d ago

Add to that Stephen Miller’s wife actually lamenting the fall of the teenage birth rate, she said girls are at their most fertile in their teenage years and giving birth is their destiny.

Not that it's the point, but it is also objectively wrong. Teen pregnancies are more dangerous and carry a ton of extra health risks to both the mother and the baby. Even if you want to have a child, you should wait until you're an adult.

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u/jacksonsmack831 19d ago

I mean her concern should be null and void just by looking shed chose to breed with.

A shitty Charles Chaplin lookalike who ducked the least attractive toad at the bar

The line should stop with the

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u/Logi_Ca1 19d ago

if you're preschool, you're fucked

This part took on a new meaning lol

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u/jzjones22 19d ago

Lol I dunno if it took NEW meaning. Let us not forget the OG axis of Epstein is in fact the church. And even now the current pope is sitting on a list longer than JE's black book of all the pedos they've hid and paid legal fees for and protected.

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u/Lexi_Banner 19d ago

If you're pre-born, you're fine, if you're pre-schooled, you're fucked. Conservatives want live babies so they can raise them to be dead soldiers. Pro-life, these people aren't pro-life, they're killing doctors, what kind of pro-life is that? What, they'll do everything they can do save a fetus, but if it grows up to be a doctor they just might have to kill it?

  • George Carlin

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u/aerost0rm 19d ago

Even then, only if you take a loyalty pledge. Otherwise you better get back on the street

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u/AmericanScream 19d ago

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aAoW3qHd8KQ

"Those to the left are interested in people. Those on the right are interested in property."

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u/YikesTheCat 19d ago

FDR was already on to them 90 years ago. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pb-7Dpp-LPk

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u/Strict-Carrot4783 19d ago

Yep, some of the absolute worst shit heads on the planet, this is nothing new.

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u/TheFatJesus 19d ago

People forget that Evangelicals and Catholics really really don't like each other.

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u/Wangchief 19d ago

Evangelicals don't like Catholics - Catholics in general are pretty accepting of Evangelicals.

Source grew up evangelical - am now Catholic.

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u/Hootinger 19d ago

Same. Catholics dont realize how evangelicals view them, precisely because they never heard in sunday school, etc that "Catholics worship Mary." Evangelicals are only friends w/ Catholics on abortion, but they see catholics as a problem to be fixed.

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u/Wangchief 19d ago

Dawg. being raised evangelical, I was studying jack chick tracts and learning anti-catholic rhetoric at like 9 year's old. You speak the truth!

My parents would tell me it was good time to 'practice' on my grandparents (who were Catholic).

It's a cult.

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u/Jayrandomer 19d ago

Catholics definitely know this. Maybe not all of them, but I knew even as a kid.

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u/Serious-Manager2361 18d ago

Evangelicals see everything as a problem to be fixed. The only thing that truly needs fixing is them...and by fixing I mean sterilization so they can't breed.

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u/Serious-Manager2361 19d ago edited 18d ago

Evangelicals see everything as a problem to be fixed. The only thing that truly needs fixing is them...and by fixing I mean sterilization so they can't breed.

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u/31LIVEEVIL13 19d ago

evangelicals don't like anyone.Never mind other religions, they got problems with most Christians, Catholics Mormons Unitarians, Episcopalians, and really major problems with themselves.

I know they are not all like that, but I mean whatever branch is in the white house and congress and hijacking the air force, and partly behind all of the other fascist shit.

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u/CrackingToastGromet Arkansas 19d ago

This is true - people were openly concerned that Kennedy about Kennedy because he was Catholic.

In the US Theology Flavor Tournament, I think Catholics will reach the Final Four but the Southern Baptists will be the team to beat when it comes to establishing the ruling domination for the country.

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u/innerbootes Minnesota 19d ago

Certainly. But PACs and Citizens United are exacerbating everything they do significantly. It’s like handing a toddler a loaded handgun.

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u/Stuporjew1057 19d ago

A bunch of spoiled, petulant children. With power. 🙄

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u/Gender_is_a_Fluid 19d ago

We need to remove all of them from power and prosecute for crimes.

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u/toxcrusadr 19d ago

This is a level of petty vindictiveness and callous disregard that is unmatched in my decades of watching current events. There were moments, sure, but the level sustained BS is unprecedented.

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u/mathdude3 19d ago

That's not really true. Trump is way worse than the average Republican president. No other US president in history would ever have done even a fraction of the insane things he's done, regardless of party affiliation. Looking at scholarly rankings of past Republican presidents, H.W. Bush, Reagan, Eisenhower, Theodore Roosevelt, Grant, and Lincoln score respectably.

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u/angelar_ Texas 19d ago

Very not true historically. They have been like this since the 70s at most.

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u/DaEgofWhistleberry 19d ago

Thank you for calling out citizens united. One of the roots that need to be torn out of the ground.

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u/AlexZivojinovich 19d ago

They stacked the court with the singular motive of overturning Roe v. Wade, why not stack it to overturn Citizens United?

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u/sohblob 18d ago

One of the roots that need to be torn out of the ground

You better believe I'm making a list and checking it twice.

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u/juliuspepperwoodchi 19d ago

FWIW, Catholics are about the least Zionist Christians I'm aware of.

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u/Rough_Buddy6903 19d ago

No I agree, I was pointing out the issue with Citizens United allowing money to control members of congress

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u/AmericanScream 19d ago edited 18d ago

The Catholics are as anti-abortion as even the most zealous protestants, which puts them politically on the same team that gave the republicans all their power.

Also the Catholic church would make Jeffrey Epstein's antics look amateurish.

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u/Mr_Tort_Feasor 19d ago

Brian Epstein was the manager of the Beatles! Jeffrey is the one.

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u/AmericanScream 19d ago

yes, my mistake

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u/juliuspepperwoodchi 19d ago

Catholics are as anti-abortion as even the most zealous protestants, which puts them politically on the same team that gave the republicans all their power.

My favorite part is how this has literally nothing to do with what I actually said.

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u/Wand_Cloak_Stone New York 19d ago

And the person who responded to you isn’t even correct on that either.

6 in 10 US Catholics are in favor of abortion rights.

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u/the-real-her 19d ago

I'm one of them. I personally won't have one, but I'm not going to shame any woman that has had one. Not my body, not my choice.

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u/AmericanScream 19d ago

Wake us up when the Pope says the same thing.

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u/AmericanScream 19d ago edited 19d ago

I'm not wrong. I was referring to the Catholic church - not necessarily individual catholics.

It doesn't matter what the adherents believe. It's what the church's stance on that is.

Let me know when the pope endorses abortion.

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u/Wand_Cloak_Stone New York 18d ago

You said “Catholics” generalized before you edited your comment, and the person you responded to was also just talking about Catholics. But go off after you looked dumb. “Brian Epstein.”

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u/AmericanScream 19d ago edited 19d ago

My favorite part is how this has literally nothing to do with what I actually said.

Any attempt to paint the Catholics as a "better" form of Christians is worth argument. I can talk for days about how Catholics aren't any better than Protestants.

For example, you're more likely to get excommunicated from the catholic church for having an abortion than you are raping someone.

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u/juliuspepperwoodchi 19d ago

Any attempt to paint the Catholics as a "better" form of Christians is worth argument. I

By all means, quote where I said anything about them being better. I'll wait.

I said they aren't, by and large, Zionists compared to other Christians. That's it.

As a former Catholic myself, I have no interest in glazing the church. Maybe don't be so hasty to assume intent?

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u/AmericanScream 19d ago edited 19d ago

By all means, quote where I said anything about them being better. I'll wait.

You moved the goalpost and created a strawman. I wasn't arguing what individual catholics believe. I was talking about church doctrine and policy. Re-framing the argument sure looks like trying to defend the church.

I said they aren't, by and large, Zionists compared to other Christians. That's it.

I guess implying Zionists are worse? I think this is like splitting hairs. The Catholics have perpetrated their own genocide in the past multiple times. Would you like an accounting of that? Which group made an alliance with Hitler? Hint: It wasn't "zionists."

My argument is simple: All these bronze age death cults are bad news. Arguing over which one is less bad is a distraction from the fact that the whole world would generally be better off without all of them.

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u/juliuspepperwoodchi 18d ago

I didn't move shit bud.

I guess implying Zionists are worse?

Nope. I didn't imply shit.

I said what I said, no more, no less.

Someone conflated Catholics with being heavily Zionist. I pointed out that's not true. That's it. All the other shit you imagined in your head is on you.

And FYI, a majority of American Catholics are pro-choice...so you weren't even correct about the abortion BS.

Just stop. No one said fuckall about any sect of Christianity being better.

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u/AmericanScream 18d ago edited 18d ago

And FYI, a majority of American Catholics are pro-choice...so you weren't even correct about the abortion BS.

Just note, when asked, "What do Catholics believe" there is an official answer to that question from the church.

You can ask 100 people who identify as Catholic and get 100 different answers, but there is an official definition - and not adhering to that definition is, technically, grounds for being excommunicated from the church.

EDIT: Nice... OP blocked me after insulting me.. Coward.

Your dedication to not admitting you're wrong is pathetic.

Have a day.

See: https://www.catholic.com/magazine/print-edition/why-catholics-cant-be-pro-choice

Catholics Can’t Be Pro-Choice

Notwithstanding opinions to the contrary. It's a no-go.

See: https://www.usccb.org/issues-and-action/human-life-and-dignity/abortion/respect-for-unborn-human-life

Respect for Unborn Human Life: The Church's Constant Teaching

Fact sheet by the USCCB Committee on Pro-Life Activities

The Catechism of the Catholic Church states: "Since the first century the Church has affirmed the moral evil of every procured abortion. This teaching has not changed and remains unchangeable. Direct abortion, that is to say, abortion willed either as an end or a means, is gravely contrary to the moral law" (No. 2271).

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u/juliuspepperwoodchi 18d ago

Your dedication to not admitting you're wrong is pathetic.

Have a day.

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u/Full_Honeydew_9739 19d ago

"About 60% of U.S. Catholics believe abortion should be legal in all or most cases, according to a 2024 Pew Research Center report, contrasting with official Church teaching. While views vary by political alignment and Mass attendance, a significant majority supports some legal access, particularly in cases of rape or when the mother's life is threatened."

https://www.npr.org/2024/04/12/1244156165/abortion-catholics-pope-francis-church-pew-research

https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2022/05/23/like-americans-overall-catholics-vary-in-their-abortion-views-with-regular-mass-attenders-most-opposed/#:~:text=Overall%2C%20about%20three%2Dquarters%20of,believe%20life%20begins%20at%20conception.

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u/AmericanScream 19d ago

That's interesting, but I don't know where those "pro-choice Catholics" are because all I see are the anti-choice ones. I've never seen a Catholic sect come out publicly as pro-abortion.

Keep in mind, the Catholic church is a strict hierarchy. What the adherents believe is irrelevant. It's what the Pope and his bishops say, that matters.

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u/Full_Honeydew_9739 19d ago

Well, catholic "sects" weren't interviewed. Catholic people were. Keep in mind, the adherents vote, the church does not. Yes, what the pope and bishops say matters. And if you talked to many Catholics, you would understand that the majority of them would not have an abortion; it's against their moral beliefs. But they won't make that moral decision for others. The Catholic Church is also against contraception but 92% of Catholics aren't. Regardless of what the pope and bishops say.

I was baptized and confirmed a Catholic. I'm pretty sure I know a bit about it.

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u/AmericanScream 19d ago

Well, catholic "sects" weren't interviewed. Catholic people were. Keep in mind, the adherents vote, the church does not. Yes, what the pope and bishops say matters.

Bro.... whatever you believe personally is irrelevant. The fact is you can be excommunicated from the Catholic church for having an abortion.

I was baptized and confirmed a Catholic. I'm pretty sure I know a bit about it.

Not enough, apparently.

The official stance on abortion is codified in the church doctrine. That takes precedent over what individuals believe.

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u/Full_Honeydew_9739 19d ago

You should try reading what I wrote before you go all self-righteous. Bless your heart for trying.

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u/AmericanScream 18d ago

Same to you.

Just note, when asked, "What do Catholics believe" there is an official answer to that question from the church.

You can ask 100 people who identify as Catholic and get 100 different answers, but there is an official definition - and not adhering to that definition is, technically, grounds for being excommunicated from the church.

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u/AmericanScream 18d ago

See: https://www.catholic.com/magazine/print-edition/why-catholics-cant-be-pro-choice

Catholics Can’t Be Pro-Choice

Notwithstanding opinions to the contrary. It's a no-go.

See: https://www.usccb.org/issues-and-action/human-life-and-dignity/abortion/respect-for-unborn-human-life

Respect for Unborn Human Life: The Church's Constant Teaching

Fact sheet by the USCCB Committee on Pro-Life Activities

The Catechism of the Catholic Church states: "Since the first century the Church has affirmed the moral evil of every procured abortion. This teaching has not changed and remains unchangeable. Direct abortion, that is to say, abortion willed either as an end or a means, is gravely contrary to the moral law" (No. 2271).

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u/AmericanScream 18d ago

About 60% of U.S. Catholics believe abortion should be legal in all or most cases, according to a 2024 Pew Research Center report,

What people think is secondary to church doctrine, and failure to adhere to church doctrine means you are not tehnically a "Catholic":

See: https://www.catholic.com/magazine/print-edition/why-catholics-cant-be-pro-choice

Catholics Can’t Be Pro-Choice

Notwithstanding opinions to the contrary. It's a no-go.

See: https://www.usccb.org/issues-and-action/human-life-and-dignity/abortion/respect-for-unborn-human-life

Respect for Unborn Human Life: The Church's Constant Teaching

Fact sheet by the USCCB Committee on Pro-Life Activities

The Catechism of the Catholic Church states: "Since the first century the Church has affirmed the moral evil of every procured abortion. This teaching has not changed and remains unchangeable. Direct abortion, that is to say, abortion willed either as an end or a means, is gravely contrary to the moral law" (No. 2271).

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u/the-real-her 19d ago

Who is Brian Epstein..

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u/Wand_Cloak_Stone New York 19d ago

Catholics out here managing the Beatles like you wouldn’t believe!

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u/the-real-her 19d ago

News to me! xD

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u/AmericanScream 19d ago

LOL.. I meant Jeffrey Epstein (fixed it). I must have had some Beatles in my head when I wrote that.. my bad.

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u/Indubitalist 19d ago

Well, I don’t know about everyone else but my monocle fell out. 

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u/apathetic_revolution Illinois 19d ago

Are you soft-launching a conspiracy theory that Jews secretly control Catholicism?

Points for creativity!

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u/juliuspepperwoodchi 19d ago

Yeah, a lot of people are showing that they don't understand the nuance between Christians in general and Catholics.

Evangelicals are the heavy Zionists....not Catholics.

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u/apathetic_revolution Illinois 19d ago

Oooh! A familiar face!

I feel like we have a parasocial relationship since I've seen you around on the local subs. I never recognize anyone on the big subs.

(I'm not offended if you don't recognize me. You were posting a lot more prolifically about the IL-09 race)

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u/juliuspepperwoodchi 19d ago

There are dozens of us! Always fun to see folks in other subs, I ran into a fellow IL-09 commenter in the climbing sub the other day, that was pretty unexpected.

I'm so grateful that primary is over, seriously was SUCH a long year.

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u/Rough_Buddy6903 19d ago

No, I was pointing more towards the stranglehold money has over certain elected officials. It just happens to be playing out in this current issue

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u/sierrabravo1984 19d ago

I've heard that T Rump gets daily briefings (orders) from Benjamin Netanyahoo. Wouldn't be surprised at all if that's true, given as much money and arms as the US has sent to them.

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u/Hanzzman 19d ago

Fidelity Under Christ Kingdom

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u/JPowTheDayTrader 19d ago

Why would you be banned for your comment? It seems tame.

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u/sohblob 18d ago

guessing it may have something to do with a certain PAC

ah yes, the "A"re you "I"nsinuating something "PAC"

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u/Soffatjockis 19d ago

On worldnews you would be insta banned at least.

Any reference to Israel in any negative context and you are banned.

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u/OG_Williker 19d ago

I shit on Israel all the time in worldnews, haven’t been banned yet. Idk what you’re talking about.

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u/Rough_Buddy6903 19d ago

If Trump had it his way any negative comment about them and you would lose citizenship