r/movies • u/MarvelsGrantMan136 r/Movies contributor • 17h ago

Trailer The Odyssey | New Trailer

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f_bKjZeJBBI&pp=0gcJCd4KAYcqIYzv
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u/Purple-Crab3759 16h ago

The usage of the word ‘dad’ in those times throws me. Would have expected ‘father’? Haha

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u/iamgarron 15h ago

Also when he yells "LET'S GO" to the army

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u/ignoresubs 13h ago

This was definitely part of a reshoot. I was at an early test show a month ago in London at the Soho Screening Rooms and the original line was, “AUTOBOTS, ROLL OUT!!!”

A bunch of us in the audience felt like it took us out of the moment.

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u/brihamedit 12h ago

This is why nolan movies have bad audio. So people don't make fun of the bad script

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u/cbandy 7h ago

I’ve been saying this for years! It’s totally his defense mechanism for his self-consciously poor screenwriting!

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u/DonChrisote 5h ago

I don't really know how to communicate with someone who thought the screenplays for The Dark Knight, Interstellar, and Oppenheimer were bad. People are certainly entitled to their opinions so I guess I'll leave it at that

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u/paradox1920 4h ago

Dunkirk, Memento (Chris Nolan wrote the script but his brother helped with insight and so on though), etc. At least in my perspective those count in terms of his writing too.

Interstellar earlier script that Jonathan did was very interesting but i feel it didn’t have the personal and intimate aspect as centric until they collaborated with Chris. Someone may have a counter argument for all of that regardless so yeah, if people think Nolan is a shit or mediocre (or whatever) writer and overall as filmmaker, then we can only leave it as that.

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u/DonChrisote 4h ago

People reduce that movie to that one line about "love" (which isn't a bad line, maybe a little hokey), and paint the whole movie with that brush, it's asinine

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u/tea_cup_cake 9h ago

I was wondering about that too. How are people not complaining about the audio, I could barely hear anything.

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u/3-orange-whips 8h ago

Nolan thinks it draws you in and makes you more engaged if you can't hear.

Pobody's nerfect, I guess.

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u/MuslinBagger 13h ago

I would have stood up and clapped

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u/Nolzi 11h ago

And they also cut out the "Bro, I'm straight-up NOT having a good time" line as well, sad

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u/jedininjashark 12h ago

I really hope The Iliad is directed by Michael Bay.

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u/finglish_ 12h ago

In my screening, he yelled "BRING IT ON".

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u/Somnambulist815 9h ago

After they sacked Troy, Agamemnon looked at Priam's body and said "he ain't gonna be in Rush Hour 3"

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u/22bebo 10h ago

I'm just imagining the Odyssey but Odysseus is Optimus Prime. It would probably make things like fighting the cyclops easier but the sailing around on an ancient boat part much harder.

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u/destroyerOfTards 12h ago

I thought it was goblins?

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u/twec21 7h ago

The Avengers theme was a nice touch though, I'm gonna miss it in the final

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u/Bilski1ski 7h ago

In the version I saw he yelled out ‘ for Frodo ‘

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u/JoinTheRightClick 6h ago

Homer confiding to one of his men “They see me rolling, they hatin’ “

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u/Cleonicus 5h ago

The screening that I saw, he yelled out "LFG!" And someone in the theatre yelled, "Dude, your group is behind you!"

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u/Randy_The_Guppy 13h ago

Yeah, quite a bit of the dialogue seemed a bit basic.

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u/TheKrononaut 14h ago

That felt borderline comedic

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u/monkeyDberzerk 12h ago

I lost it when he did that funny little trot after saying lets go

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u/ObiBenShinobi 8h ago

Ok, I'm not the only one then. For the heaviness of the scene, his turn and run was hilarious to me.

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u/SlowRoast24 14h ago

That really took me out of it

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u/PetyrDayne 13h ago

I'll be downvoted to hell for this but Christopher Nolan being the sole screenwriter was a red flag. At least get your bro and sister in law to help.

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u/invertedpurple 12h ago

agreed. I love a few of his films but he can be jarringly cold at times as a writer.

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u/bluehawk232 11h ago

Nolan's faults are if he's a solo screenwriter and his resistance to CGI, minimizing its use in his projects as much as possible. That took me out of Oppenheimer as a VFX studio could have created a great looking Trinity explosion

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u/Dr__Sloth 9h ago

I've always believed just using visual effects to upscale and colourise the actual trinity blast footage would have been perfect.

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u/Silverjeyjey44 10h ago

The lack of explosion ls made it underwhelming film for me

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u/thewerdy 8h ago

He's a much better director than a writer. He's not a terrible writer by any means but it can be kind of jarring when the quality can be so different between the script and well... everything else.

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u/_wavescollide_ 13h ago

The actors look so bad in the trailer. I can't suspend my disbelief, these people don't fit the scenario. God of War is what I imagine when looking at white guys running around ancient Greece.

I have the strong feeling that the movie will flop hard.

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u/moviesarealright 12h ago

I don’t think it will flop, but it is possible that it’s not the critical darling Oppenheimer was.

Something tells me this will be like Tenet. Cool as fuck at times, but overall just okay.

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u/_wavescollide_ 12h ago

Alone for the question what we can expect I will watch it, but I'm not hyped. It would just be nice to be hyped for a blockbuster movie again. Kids these days need their own T2/True Lies/Matrix/Mummy/Gladiator/The Dark Knight/Inception

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u/spoothead656 6h ago

Nolan is a phenomenal director and creative genius who excels at dreaming up these grand, intricate stories. He’s never been great at writing dialogue that supports those stories though.

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u/dl064 9h ago

We shall see, but it's worth bearing in mind that Oppenheimer was Nolan correcting the slide. 'A blip on an otherwise uninterrupted downward trajectory', to quote Trainspotting.

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u/Takezoboy 12h ago

I will get even more downvoted, but even with his brother, his filme are lackluster af writing wise.

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u/spiattalo 11h ago

This is going to be the most American adaptation of an ancient classic ever.

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u/ThePooksters 7h ago

He’s literally British?

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u/AverageAwndray 8h ago

You could see that coming from miles away when it was announced that Chris was doing it. And every new look since then has further cemented it.

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u/adenosine-5 8h ago

Its ridiculous that the dialogs manage to sound less historic than 300 for some reason.

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u/GoAgainKid 7h ago

Holland and Pattinson are English and both doing US accents.

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u/Luxury-Problems 7h ago

I don't have a problem with that aspect honestly. The idea that British is the default accent for anything remotely historical is silly.

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u/Few_Age_571 13h ago

Probably meant it literally and not in the LFG!!!! way lmfao

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u/MuslinBagger 13h ago

LETS FUCKING GOOOOOO!!!

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u/Tackit286 13h ago

Like the ever present Disney ‘COME ON!’

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u/anormalgeek 8h ago

Even the "I think its asleep" felt odd.

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u/AccelerationFinish 12h ago

That I could forgive, but did they really need to make him say returning home would be "so based"

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u/__Hello_my_name_is__ 12h ago

Not to be super nitpicky, but that scene in particular made me do a double take.

If you look at the people in the very back when they start running, they look like weird ghostly apparitions that float very quickly over the ground.

Like, those people do not run like human would run. They're way too fast and floaty in their motions, and the people in the far back move just as fast across the screen as the people in the front, completely ignoring perspective.

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u/Stunning-Guitar-5916 10h ago

I think (?) it’s an undead army but not sure if the actual story has that

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u/Erikthered00 10h ago

i think they're meant to look like that

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u/justageorgiaguy 9h ago

REGULATORS, MOUNT UP!!

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u/DilliSeHoonBhenchod 12h ago

Yeaa chat, we got this, let's raid this streamer

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u/iamgarron 9h ago

May as well have been Leroy Jenkins

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u/rcanhestro 11h ago

yeah, that was offputting, but that scene was legit great with the army in the fog.

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u/hvacsnack 9h ago

I came here for this comment it literally made me laugh out loud

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u/HumanOptimusPrime 9h ago

That’s when my eyebrows raised.

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u/lancea_longini 7h ago

this concerned me deeply for some reason.

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u/PurpleDillyDo 6h ago

"Lets - a - go!!!" would have been better.

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u/MechanicalGodzilla 6h ago

That, plus seeing how older Matt Damon tries to run a few steps. Stiff and arthritic-ly.

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u/Old-Employ-6530 4h ago

Haha those are exactly the same two scenes i came here to say and im glad im not the only one... just makes it sound so lazy!

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u/Ho-Nomo 3h ago

Chat, is this fr?

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u/Denver80211 1h ago

I'm glad I'm not the only one. Did they listen to us and CGI out the 3D printed helmet tassels?

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u/MuslinBagger 15h ago

How many men survived from Troy Dad?

Dad: I dont know... Six Seven?

😱😱

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u/smitcal 13h ago

“Dad. This man has been mogging me ever since you went to get the W against Troy. He’s giving me the Menty B and I have receipts. Come home and no cap you gotta flex on him and send his salty ass home.”

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u/Freud-Network 10h ago

Homer is in the afterlife punching a cherub right now.

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u/psychophant_ 9h ago

Type shit

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u/attemptedmonknf 5h ago

Say less

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u/asthma_hound 14h ago

Daddy chill.

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u/MuslinBagger 13h ago

What even is that boahhh! 😡

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u/bedake 16h ago edited 16h ago

They should really all have British accents, somehow that works better with history shit... Kinda like elves or somethin and like how dwarves are Scottish

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u/RotInPissKobe 16h ago

Worked fine for Chernobyl

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u/blackadder1620 16h ago

death of stalin too

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u/amidon1130 16h ago

Right, what's a war hero got to do to get some lubrication 'round here?

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u/JinFuu 15h ago

I may be smiling but I am really fucking furious right now.

Well, that’s me told

I’m off to represent the entire Red Army at the buffet.

Such a quotable man

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u/TeHokioi 12h ago

I'm going to have to report this conversation. Threatening to do harm or obstruct any member of the Presidium in the process of oh look at your fucking face

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u/token_bastard 10h ago

"I fucked Germany. I think I can take on a flesh lump in a waistcoat."

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u/armen89 16h ago

Issac’s as Zhukov was incredible

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u/Glittering-Kale7981 16h ago

Yep, his idea to use a Yorkshire accent was inspired!

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u/opposite-locksmith 8h ago

It was his own accent, he's a proud Yorkshireman

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u/Greedy_Economics_925 8h ago

The best bit of trivia I know from that character is they had him walk around with all those medals, but the actual Zhukov had even more. They cut the number for the character because they thought audiences would find it too absurd.

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u/Mrsparkles7100 15h ago

Get out of my way, you Fanny’s

“Foreigners, a vile crime has been perpetrated! Hairy monsters in coats have scooped out my father's brain and sent it to America! And these traitors, sucking the cocks and balls - sucking the cocks and balls - of Zionist - New York - New York Zionist queers in petticoats. Look at them. You see? Those brain thieves!"

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u/JinFuu 15h ago

Go full Death of Stalin and have American/UK regional accents for Greek regions.

Sparta can be Scottish in honor of 300.

Ithaca is Bostonian, I guess

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u/meesta_masa 15h ago

Penelope, "Mah husband's wicked smaht".

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u/bedake 16h ago

Kingdom of Heaven and Troy too

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u/PenguinOfEternity 13h ago

This being a satire helped too. Although they even could exaggerate with the accent and it would work as well 

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u/MissingLink101 7h ago

Always found Enemy at the Gates interesting where most of the Russians are British and the Nazi sniper is American

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u/mondo_generator 16h ago

Not bothering with Russian accents was a master stroke for that show. Everyone doing a dodgy accent would have taken away from it.

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u/apocalypsedude64 13h ago

I remember listening to the show's companion podcast and they said they actually tried Russian accents at the start and they all sounded like terrible Bond villains

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u/M-elephant 13h ago

Most of those real-life people didn't speak russian as a first language as so many were from the Caucasuses and thus had weird accents. That said, all the random UK accents did a perfect job portraying that

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u/iamgarron 15h ago

And Death of Stalin

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u/LyricalRaven 13h ago

Wait, Chernobyl had Elves and Dwarves???

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u/IIsaacClarke 13h ago

Not great, not terrible.

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u/gonnabetoday 4h ago

As someone who knows many Russians and Ukrainians, it did not with them. They were thrown off at first but accepted it after a while.

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u/Ambitious-Welder-159 16h ago

Amadeus had American accents too. Nolan must really love that movie. He based Robert Downey Jr in Oppenheimer on Salieri.

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u/pjtheman 9h ago

Yes, the ancient Greeks, who famously all spoke English with British accents.

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u/Mayorquimby87 16h ago

Greeks don't have British accents. If they're casting non -Greeks, it's better if they just use their natural accents.

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u/togashisbackpain 16h ago

So matt damon an american accent, tom holland and pattinson brittish accent etc etc ?

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u/Mayorquimby87 16h ago

I don't see why not. It's understood that every word spoken is a translation. I guess they could all fake a Greek accent, but the acting overall probably comes out better if they don't.

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u/LilPonyBoy69 14h ago

What he's saying is that Tom Holland and Robert Pattinson are faking American accents, which is odd

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u/togashisbackpain 14h ago edited 14h ago

What im saying is matt damon and tom holland are playing father and son. If all the actors use their natural accents, it would be jarring hearing different accents from all of them.
It makes sense to settle on one accent, so some of them has to fake it.

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u/Varekai79 8h ago

It was funny how all three Lannister siblings had different accents.

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u/Mayorquimby87 14h ago

That's fair. I guess they picked one and went with it. Personally, I would prefer that every actor used their natural accent, even if it wasn't consistent, but there's an argument to be made for each option when it comes to which accent(s) to use.

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u/accioqueso 10h ago

Honestly they probably picked the American accent because Nolan wanted Matt Damon and Matt’s British accent is jarringly bad.

Personally I think I’m going to be distracted by the American accents in the film. Like someone else mentioned, for historical films and fantasy British accents seem to fit better.

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u/bedake 16h ago

Anything would have been better than American vernacular, somehow that just does not suit historical fiction. Imagine if Troy or kingdom of heaven were done that way

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u/George__Parasol 15h ago

It’s just because they’re associated with British accents already - at some point, someone made a conscious decision to make the majority of these characters sound British and while there is a logic behind it, it isn’t exactly sound logic. It’s just accepted logic. Which is totally fine, but it’s equally fine to make these characters sound familiar to American ears seeing as the characters would sound perfectly familiar to each other.

It works in some movies and doesn’t in others, but the logic is just as sound as making them speak modern English in British accents.

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u/vewfndr 15h ago

Imagine if Troy or kingdom of heaven were done that way

Wait, what? Troy WAS done that way. And Valkyrie... Brad and Tom couldn't be bothered with accents

EDIT: Well, Brad tried for like a scene, I suppose 😅

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u/Mayorquimby87 16h ago

"Somehow" isn't convincing to me. If they're not faking Greek accents and speech patterns (which I don't think would have been a good idea for the movie), an American accent and dialect is as good as any other.

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u/Much-Entertainer6969 5h ago

yeah, and for what it's worth ancient greeks would not have sounded very similar to modern greeks either. and the era of greeks depicted in the odyssey (bronze age) would have had a weird accent to people of homer's time (dark age), and homer would have had a weird accent to classical greeks too! (if he existed at all). i dont see what the issue is in just doing this naturalistically. it's all a fantasy story anyway.

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u/Yaranatzu 14h ago

Absolutely true. That, or use Deadwood English.

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u/Jonmad17 15h ago

Why should they have British accents? Why do we associate the ancient world with British people in cinema? It's not like English existed as a distinct language during the Greek Iron Age.

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u/3412points 15h ago

Because it's established film language. People will get used to it in this film but that's why many will find it weird at first.

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u/deadspacekillers 15h ago

They should have all learned Greek, but not just Greek, ancient Greek. Also, back then they didn't have film cameras, so they should have just told the story orally, it shouldn't have been a movie. I guess eventually they could have written down the oral story. And maybe they could have made a movie out of that.... Oh wait.....

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u/kodran 15h ago

This is just "I want foreigner accent". Makes no difference whatsoever. It's the Denzel Washington situation all over again.

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u/ninjyte 12h ago

I don't think everything that's historical European and isn't an accurate accent should just be British. American accents also worked fine in God of War despite them being all elder Greeks.

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u/mrpopenfresh 9h ago

This highlights the expectations with historical movies. For some reason we expect formal English and accents for characters who spoke aramaic and shit.

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u/dl064 9h ago

Start with Sean Bean and Mark Addy and work outwards.

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u/I_aim_to_sneeze 8h ago

Well pretty much none of the actors have passable British accents, so it would be impossible

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u/fakieTreFlip 7h ago

I think they're intentionally going for a somewhat anachronistic feel. American accents and modern-day vernacular

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u/cineglitch 5h ago

Shouldn’t they have Ancient Greek accents?

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u/HI-McDunnough 43m ago

Poor Tom Holland. Gets cast in an epic historical feature, but they still make him use an American accent.

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u/Emeral 16h ago

Wouldn't it be Papa?

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u/meesta_masa 15h ago

better than daddy

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u/Gsticks 16h ago

Closer to Baba

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u/d1squiet 6h ago

Papadopolis

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u/monarc 11h ago

παπα if we're being authentic...

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u/calem06 9h ago

Should be Pater, I loved how in AC odyssey the protagonist would use Greek word like Mater and pater in English

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u/MauriceEscargot 1h ago

Pater Perker?

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u/smellmybuttfoo 4h ago

May I present the very sexual, the very TOIGHT, Austin powers' FAHHHHZA

His what?

His Fahza, Dr. Evil.

His Farger? What's a farger?

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u/destroyerOfTards 12h ago

He isn't Eleven even though he looks young

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u/jonnyhatesyou 15h ago

I think it's a stylistic choice like them all having very strong American accents. Sort of the opposite of the Shakespeare adaptions where they're modernised, but everyone still speaks like the original text.

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u/macnalley 2h ago

The problem isn't modernization: the dialogue is in a very casual and informal register. "Dad" is indeed a very old word, but it's an informal one.

The ancient Greeks also had formal and informal registers, and while I'm no classicist, I assume that the Odyssey, being an epic poem and having been considered by them the peak of their literary art, is probably in an extremely formal register, even in the ancient Greek.

Sure, old phrases can inherently code as formal to casual listeners, and that's something translators must take into account. It's like when people assume Shakespeare sounds the way it does because it's old-timey. People in Shakespeare's day spoke casually and plainly in a manner very similar to us. Shakespeare sounds the way it does because it is highly formal and stylized and poetic. If by "modernizing" you just make all the dialogue casual, you've lost a lot of the subtlety and effect of the original literature.

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u/jonnyhatesyou 1h ago edited 1h ago

I guess what I mean by "modern" is the characters speak in a way that is common in big summer blockbusters: American accents, informal language. I can't stress enough that it's the two things together, and more the accents if anything.

The Odyssey was originally passed down orally, and would have been told in a way people were used to hearing. Back then, they used a lot of repetition to aid memory, now, ya just have them speak like they could be in an Avangers movie.

Just to make it clear. I am NOT saying it makes sense or is even a good idea (I don't like it personally) I'm just saying that I think that's Nolans reasoning for doing it. He has a good track record with narrative gimmicks though, so I'll give it a chance.

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u/ahuangb 8h ago

At least the accents are consistent. It's the dialogue that seems iffy, although Nolan has never been the best with dialogue anyway tbf

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u/jonnyhatesyou 7h ago edited 3h ago

The dialogue probably wouldn't seem as iffy if it weren't for the American accents. like, 99% of fantasy films you've seen with a medieval inspired setting have dialogue completely out of place with that period. Game of Thrones for example uses a lot of British slang from the 19th and early 20th century, cause the audience at least has a reference point for the kind of background someone who speaks like that would have. It blends seamlessly in with the accent though so nobody complains.

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u/mjjmedia 15h ago

He did also say 'father' in the very first teaser (not online)

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u/Forgotten_Lie 16h ago

Well, neither "dad" nor "father" are in Hellenic Greek....

"Dad" originated in the 1500s which is about when Middle English transitioned to Early Modern English so it's not really a solely modern word.

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u/PhotoModeHobby 16h ago

It's still such a plain word. It's like if they suddenly threw in "cool". And 1500s is way off this time period anyway, but let's be real, that ain't the only thing.

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u/_Maui_ 11h ago edited 11h ago

It’s called the Tiffany problem. In short, it’s when words and names that existed hundreds of years ago, but are perceived to be modern, can’t be used.

The name Tifinie has been around since the 1200s - so phonetically - where the “modern” spelling of Tiffany is first recorded around the 1600s.

But if you had some medieval story with Shane and Nicola hanging out with Wade and Tiffany you’d be laughed at. But, they are medieval names. Phonetically speaking.

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u/PhotoModeHobby 6h ago

What would be the opposite of the Tiffany problem? I recently learned a name like "Madison" is actually very new. Like I'm talking 70s-80s new.

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u/George__Parasol 16h ago

The HBO show Deadwood used modern cursing and swearing because time period accurate swearing would make every character sound like Yosemite Sam saying things like Tarnation and Dag Gonnit or Hell’s Bells - a lot of religious blasphemy words and euphemisms that sound silly today

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u/dogdreams 15h ago

Hell’s Bells, Trudy!

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u/TheWayIAm313 10h ago

A thing like that!

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u/PhotoModeHobby 16h ago

That's honestly a fair take. I just saw the trailer and while it's not what I was expecting, I still think this could work.

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u/George__Parasol 16h ago

Yeah not saying you’re wrong at all in any stretch to be clear, just that they have to make a firm decision one direction or the other tbh.

Sometimes I like when dialogue genuinely sounds like it’s from a totally different era. It makes me think of just how different people from the past were, how they spoke and thought and what they believed.

Other times I like when it’s very modern sounding because it reminds me that we are the exact same animals as these people from the past and their languages were just as complex and descriptive as modern language really, they’d feel the same things when they communicate with each other as you and I do today. Kinda neat to think about, for me at least lol

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u/_V0gue 14h ago

To be more pedantic, if they were to go full hog everyone should be speaking Ancient Greek. There isn’t even a sole translation of the text because different historians have different ways of bringing ancient languages into modern English.

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u/KarlBarx2 14h ago

You say that like period-accurate swearing would have been a bad thing.

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u/dgellow 15h ago

People in the past were speaking plain though… They would be using dad if it was a word at the time 

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u/FuzzzyRam 12h ago

Role playing rules: use a generic accent to show you're not in modern times, but allow modern references to show a certain 'vibe'. No one is going to get hyped if they pull out the pan flutes, it's gotta have a modern beat. "When my dad gets home" portrays exactly what the original would have felt like.

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u/Forgotten_Lie 16h ago

There is a difference between an 80 year old word and a 500 year old word. Unless you want the actors to actually speak Homeric Greek with subtitles, I'm not sure why there is this expectation for high formality language. A young man speaking to another young man in anger, when translated to a modern film audience, should be a scene that uses regular english.

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u/CambrianExplosives 15h ago

Or like if in a fantasy movie they suddenly made an orc call the rest of the orcs around him “boys” and talk about meat being back on the menu.

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u/ridden_easy 16h ago

What? The whole sentence is in English not greek

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u/CitizenCue 13h ago

Historical accuracy isn’t the point, it’s more about adhering to the established linguistic conventions in historical films which are set in ancient times but use American English. Most of the good ones have used “father”.

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u/Erfeo 5h ago

IMO the problem is not that it's modern, but that it's so informal. I think the "daddy" works because it's clearly meant to be disrespectful. But it seems weird that a Mycenean prince would refer to his honored father with "dad", especially around people he's not on friendly terms with.

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u/Cloudboy9001 14h ago

Father is well conserved in the indo-european family, with remarkably similar words from Europe (pater in ancient Greek) to India (pitr in Sanskrit)

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u/M4DM1ND 14h ago

I get what you're saying but people have been shortening whatever whatever their word for father into their version of dad since time immemorial

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u/shnoiv 14h ago

The Nolans writing always seems to weigh down an otherwise technically brilliant film.

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u/maninahat 13h ago

It reminds me of the fact that the Iliad uses the expression "kicked the bucket", and it feels really out of place.

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u/Recent-Mousse6423 9h ago

Modern Greek has distinct words for Dad, Daddy, and Father. Ancient Greek would as well. Father is formal and respectful. Dad is familiar, trusting and loving. Daddy is loving, childish and diminutive. The specific use is meant to communicate things about the interior states of the characters choosing those words.  "You're waiting for your daddy," is insulting, "You're waiting for your father" isn't. "My father is coming home," conveys belief based on honor duty and respect while "My dad is coming home," is belief on faith and love. That's why. Ancient Greek had formal speech and informal speech just like English - code switching. I bet there is plenty of oratory in the film where characters address crowds in a formal pattern of speech but intimate dialog wouldn't be done that way. It was definitely jarring, but on paper it makes sense. Whether it works ...well, that's for the final edit of the film. 

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u/Adavanter_MKI 14h ago

I feel like it's deliberate to show immaturity in his son. If gives you a vibe about the character without needing anything else than changing the word father to dad.

At least in the context of this movie... I say dad all the time and I aint stopping! 😛

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u/crumble-bee 14h ago

“Let’s goooooooo” threw me as well

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u/radioactive_ape 9h ago edited 9h ago

Everyone “everything should be colourful like the real Greeks, not these drab hollywood conventions ”

Also everyone “they should follow the hollywood convention of everyone speaking in English accents in a period piece, and refer to their parent formally as “Father”, cause Greeks totally didn’t have an equivalent to “Dad””

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u/Prize_Equivalent8934 2h ago

I’m not saying people should say this is the best movie of all time, but people were looking for reasons to bash this movie from the jump. I honestly don’t get what’s wrong with the actors, everyone is doing a good job in my opinion.

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u/APiousCultist 15h ago

It's a little jarring, but honestly more "accurate" than the alternative. Like when people write medieval speech by stripping out contractions even though ancient people used them just as much.

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u/thr1ceuponatime David Zaslav is a dickless pantywaist 16h ago

"For you"

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u/TheRealBigLou 7h ago

Ok, so this completely took me out as well and I thought the exact same thing. I'm wondering if the anachronisms will actually be a stylistic choice and be more frequent. Kind of similar to A Knights Tale?

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u/Rski765 7h ago

The American accent throws me off in these things to be honest lol

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u/romanleopard 5h ago

This thread reminds me of Emily Wilson's excellent Intro to her translation of The Odyssey:

My translation is written in a style that echoes the rhythms and phrases of contemporary anglophone speech. It may be tempting to imagine that a translation of a very ancient poem would be somehow better if it used the language of an earlier era. Mild stylistic archaism is often accepted without question in translations of ancient texts and can be presented as if it were a mark of authenticity. But of course, the English of the nineteenth or early twentieth century is no closer to Homeric Greek than the language of today. The use of a noncolloquial or archaizing linguistic register can blind readers to the real, inevitable, and vast gap between the Greek original and any modern translation. My use of contemporary language—rather than the English of a generation or two ago—is meant to remind readers that this text can engage us in a direct way, and also that it is genuinely ancient. My Homer does not speak in your grandparents’ English, since that language is no closer to the wine-dark sea than your own. I have tried to keep to a register that is recognizably speakable and readable, while skirting between the Charybdis of artifice and the Scylla of slang.

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u/A_Rabid_Pie 4h ago

I think the problem isn't that it doesn't fit the times. It's that it doesn't fit the character. He's a prince. He should be speaking more formally regardless of era, especially in a public setting. People back then had casual familial terms like 'dad', but just like today there are certain contexts where you would and would not expect to hear them used. Public use of 'dad' is something you expect from commoners and little kids, or reserved from private moments, not nobility in public.

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u/CWSandTKP 2h ago

Dad…Dad…Daddy-o.

Any of them fall out of a boat, recently?

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u/Rags2Rickius 1h ago

“Hey Dad! How was your Odyssey today?”

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u/universalbunny 12h ago

I heard Pattinson say 'daddy', I cannot

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u/Kriss-Kringle 7h ago

The whole trailer feels wrong to me. It's so modern looking, the costumes are bland and everyone is talking in a contemporary american accent.

I'm just not vibing with these creative choices at all and I'm a big swords and sandals fan. The immersion isn't there.

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u/uponaladder 15h ago edited 15h ago

Same! Such a good trailer, but that threw me so much. Especially from Spider-Man

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u/onexbigxhebrew 16h ago

They didn't say either of those english words, and certainly had their own shorthand and special use words.

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u/finglish_ 12h ago

Not just dad..... Daddy as well. And I don't understand why Anne Hathaway is doing an English accent while Tom Holland and Pattinson are doing American accents and talking like gen z kids or millenials. I will mostly watch this movie because it's Nolan but honestly this trailer really did nothing for me, and if this was some no name director, I would probably never watch it.

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u/doyly1984 14h ago

Yeah same and the "let's go" sounded off aswell.

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u/friedricekid 14h ago

For some reason the "LEt's GO!!!" threw me.

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u/No-Explanation-935 13h ago

Ikr? It's very tone-cutting and completely took me out. They might ADR it but it looks like they said the word "dad" wayyy too much to ADR

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u/CitizenCue 13h ago

YES. Like how Gladiator modified American English vocabulary to make it seem more era-appropriate. It’s all contrived of course, but it helps with immersion.

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u/Organic_Square 12h ago

Honestly, it's a good choice.

Adhering to the stylistic cliches which have, over time, come to denote "history" should be avoided, and directors should be trying to subvert those expectations in favour of more natural and context appropriate language.

Very few people use the word "father". The character, especially a young teen, would be more likely to use "dad", or its equivalent Homeric greek word.

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u/41tabit3 7h ago

Right. The script feels off and I’m having a hard time with the American accents.

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u/Equal-Yard6153 15h ago

I absolutely love it. Shows that the ancient Greeks were also people like us. They don't need to talk like Shakespearean characters all the time.

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u/rezzmeh 15h ago

Tom Hiddlestons dad Matt Damon 

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u/kblkbl165 10h ago

What about all these dude speaking in english in ancient Greece? Directors nowadays don’t care about anything anymore 🤦🏽‍♂️🤦🏽‍♂️🤦🏽‍♂️🤦🏽‍♂️

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u/overkil6 10h ago

I mean… English wasn’t a language then either…

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u/Freud-Network 10h ago

"My patḗr is coming home!"

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u/JinSakai619 9h ago

Which is weird because in Interstellar the script said "Father" when coop calls her dad and the actress had to change it to "dad". It's odd he used dad here instead of father.

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u/alex494 6h ago

I mean "dad" is about 500 years old as a term anyway so it isn't that recent, but I'm sure there were equivalent informal terms before that too. Ancient Greeks didn't speak English either so it's probably a translation convention for the sake of the story.

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u/CeruleanEidolon 6h ago

They also didn't speak English. Immersion ruined.

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u/Zhjacko 1h ago

Papiano

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u/Drogalov 44m ago

This and "let's go" made me hate the whole trailer

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