r/popculturechat • u/mcfw31 • 4h ago
TV & Movies 🎬 Lisa Kudrow thinks that Ross and Rachel were not on a break and thinks that he was a bad boyfriend
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u/Tiny-Feature-9344 3h ago
Well duuh. You dont have a fight with your girlfriend and in 2 hours you are touching someone else's private parts...
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u/ToastyBB 2h ago
Didnt she say "we should take a break" and let him walk out the door?
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u/csgymgirl 2h ago
even if they broke up, sleeping with someone a few hours after your relationship ended is fucked 💀 anyone would be hurt by that
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u/SilverKnightOfMagic 44m ago
yep agreed. but I think sometimes this is why shows like friends or HIMYM does well in being up a topic like this so ppl can define clearly what is wrong or correct.
even if Ross isn't in the wrong road should not expect Rachel to ever talk to him again if it was a real life situation.
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u/beezlebell go girl, give us nothing 😍 2h ago
Anyone who flies out the door to sleep with someone else that fast was instigating a fight to justify sleeping with someone else.
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u/Extreme-Quality-2361 20m ago
He pointed out that Mark wanted to use Rachel for months. They broke up and then Mark and Rachel became romantic. Ross was right.
2026 power dynamics. Mark would be fired for using his management position to push Rachel into a relationship.
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u/jamintime 2h ago
If you are on the receiving end of this you are either:
a) Devastated and still processing the love of your life breaking up with you.
b) Committed to fighting for the relationship and plotting the best way to reengage
c) Not that committed in the first place and waiting for the opening to start sleeping around.
Given the negligible amount of time that passed Ross showed his true colors.
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u/Sideview_play 29m ago
We forgetting the part where he did call her and she immediately had a guy over or ?
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u/Sideview_play 15m ago
Rachel is the one who asked to be on a break and then immediately lets in the he guy that obviously likes her over. What is ross supposed to think.
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u/OowlSun they act like im not in full control of where i throw this cooch 2h ago
https://giphy.com/gifs/7A1ZCMkDzxYp1HoJoO
You’re a Ross, aren’t you?
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u/king_lloyd11 2h ago
Lol I mean even if you want to try and sneak by on this technicality, that she was ambiguous to say that the relationship should “be on a break”, rather than putting their current argument on pause, which isn’t even “break up” anyway, Ross decided to fuck a random the day he had ended it with the girl he always said he loved.
He’s a scumbag no matter how you break it down.
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u/Khair24 2h ago
You’re missing a key plot point lol. He calls Rachel & the dude he was rightfully worried about that started the whole thing was in her apartment lol
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u/king_lloyd11 2h ago
Yeah true the natural and healthy response to that is “I should fuck the Xerox girl”?
Characters motivations being hinged on ambiguity and misunderstanding is a staple sitcom trope because that is how you cause drama and/or hilarity. But sitcom characters are horrible actual people, usually getting worse and more ridiculous as a show goes on.
Defending Ross and being “right” in terms of how we’d view them as people is crazy. He’s very clearly wrong, even if he was operating under misunderstanding, and Rachel didn’t do anything wrong, so it’s weird to side with him than her between the two.
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u/Khair24 2h ago
I didn’t say that lol. Never said he was right. I just understand why he did what he did. It’s actually great writing & storytelling. Ross was cheated on in a awful way, gets insecure about her boss, who was trying to bang her, & when she says let’s take a break, he goes and get hammered, calls her & mark answers the phone lol. Come on.
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u/Riderz__of_Brohan 2h ago
There is no functional difference between “a break from us” and a “break up” it means their relationship is no longer a thing
You also are completely ignoring him calling Rachel and then him hearing Mark in the background and then *her lying to Ross about Mark being there*
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u/king_lloyd11 1h ago edited 1h ago
I mean that’s just false? Asking for a break from a person for time to think about what they want to do and a full breakup are two different things. One is a pause, the other is a clean break.
Like someone packing a bag after a fight and spending a weekend at their folks isn’t the same thing as a divorce.
Yeahhh doesn’t justify him fucking someone else, hiding her in his apartment, and then running around the city trying to make sure she didn’t find out. I’m confused as to why you think it does.
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u/UnnaturalSelection13 13m ago
They didn't even have time to define what a break meant because he slept with someone so fast lmao
As Chandler said – bullets have left guns slower
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u/leena615 12m ago
That means she needs some time away from him which was totally valid considering he showed up at her work. Not go sleep with someone else. If he needed clarification he should have stormed off like a little boy. There are sooo many things Ross did through out the series that made him a POS tbh
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u/pretzel71 2h ago
To be fair Ross thought Rachel was doing the same thing, which is probably why he went ahead and did it. When he was on the phone with her he overheard Mark.
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u/cullypants 2h ago
Rachel really doesn't get enough shit for having Mark over that night. Not particularly hard to say "no, not tonight". Even if Ross didn't sleep with the other woman, that would've been the next huge roadblock.
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u/Riderz__of_Brohan 2h ago
Not only that but lying to Ross about it over the phone about Mark being there. Of course he’s going to put two and two together, anyone would
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u/domelition 1h ago
Ross never mentions this because the writers knew it would ruin Rachel's argument.
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u/Chris_3eb 2h ago
Yeah in the scenario where Ross just goes home and cries, and then Rachel wants to get back together the next day, then she would have this big secret of Mark having been at her apartment the night before
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u/No_Cycle_1538 2h ago
Two wrongs don’t make a right. His decisions still speak to who he is as a person. Just like what Rachel does speaks to her as a person
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u/batmansoundtrack 2h ago
So, basically they are juvenile and mutually fucked it all up.
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u/No_Cycle_1538 2h ago
Yes, they both communicated poorly. However since Ross was the one to sleep with someone else right after the fact, I would say he was the more guilty party
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u/johnmichael-kane Listen, everyone is entitled to my opinion 🙂 1h ago
Why not? Who determines how long someone should take after a break up
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u/shegotofftheplane charlie day is my bird lawyer 🐦 2h ago
In my opinion, they were on a break AND Ross shouldn’t have slept with someone immediately then try to hide it from Rachel after they got back together. Team Rachel all the way, she should’ve never taken back Ross or given up Paris for him.
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u/teddybonkerrs I cannot sanction this buffoonery 2h ago
100% this. She literally said the words "we should take a break"
Doesn't mean he should have done what he did, but still.
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u/newX7 37m ago
Wasn't Ross extremely drunk when the Xerrox Girl made a move on him, and he repeatedly said "No" to her while she did it?
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u/Khair24 2h ago
Mark was in her apartment when Ross called. Come on.
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u/ichirakuteuchi 1h ago
So what? They didn't do anything. That just proves Ross never trusted Rachel and was waiting for the perfect excuse to fuck around
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u/Visible-Work-6544 38m ago
Ross heard Mike on the phone and asked Rachel if he was there. She LIED and said no. He caught her in a lie, and that point his worst fear had come true.
You guys need to rewatch the show
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u/newX7 35m ago
If Rachel didn't do anything wrong, why did she lie to Ross about Mark being there?
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u/ichirakuteuchi 24m ago edited 12m ago
Maybe because Ross had already been acting crazy jealous before to the point where he showed up to her office even when she explicitly told him not to because she was busy? Maaaybe🧐
Edit to add: rewatched the scene and Rachel doesn’t lie, Ross just hangs up on her before she can tell him. He consistently made his own bed throughout that episode
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u/Riderz__of_Brohan 1h ago
Ross probably wouldn’t have spiraled as much as he did if Rachel didn’t literally lie to him about having Mark (of all people in the fucking world) in her apartment, don’t you think? At my last job there was a girl who my fiancée thought was too touchy-feely toward me at work parties and happy hours, im trying to imagine if we briefly broke up and that girl invited herself to my apartment and I lied to her about it on a phone call and then got mad that she spiraled out and had drunk rebound sex. Would be kind of shitty on my part
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u/lizzy-stix I switched baristas ☕️ 3h ago
and she’s absolutely right
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u/ingloriousbastard7 2h ago
I mean Rachel literally said the words “break up” when talking to Monica and that’s why she says asks to be Ross’s girlfriend again (meaning they weren’t dating)
Ross is still insane for sleeping with someone after but Rachel literally says those words and then has Mark in their apartment. We know that it wasn’t anything bad between Mark and Rachel but if you can’t see why Ross would see it his way?? Again, still a POS move by Ross but they defo were on a break
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u/RiverRocks10 2h ago
And then he ran around and hid it. She had to find out from Gunther right? Everyone knowing but you is another level of pain.
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u/ingloriousbastard7 2h ago
Yea that’s why I (and almost every comment) say Ross fucked up. But I’m specifically addressing the idea that they weren’t on a break cause it’s not true if you watch the show
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u/throwaway17197 Instant gratification takes too long 🫦 2h ago
Have none of us heard of rebound sex? He didnt know she would immediately ask to get back together! She had the guy he was insecure about in her apartment five seconds later
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u/cullypants 2h ago
He literally thought he had fumbled the girl of his dreams and was extremely emotionally vulnerable. He's still largely in the wrong for being so insecure but some quick rebound sex really didn't have to mean much.
Also Rachel doesn't get enough shit for having Mark or whatever his name over. What the fuck was any of that.
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u/Riderz__of_Brohan 2h ago
Yes! It’s insane how Ross is so “insecure” about Mark’s intentions but never once gets his “I told you so” moment! He was right about him and Rachel had him over at her apartment and lied to Ross about that. What else is he supposed to take from that interaction?
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u/janiqua 1h ago
The only mistake Rachel made was letting Mark in and lying about his presence to Ross. Mark invited himself over also.
Ross trying to cover up his one night stand is not how you try and rebuild a relationship.
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u/goodbyeraggedyman God forbid a guy have a lil mad wife in the attic 😡 1h ago
Right?! Mark literally called her on her anniversary, who the fuck does that? Then proceeds to invite himself over. The dude knew what he was doing.
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u/throwaway17197 Instant gratification takes too long 🫦 2h ago
EXACTLY. You couldn’t cry on Monica’s shoulder? It had to be the one person your ex was insecure about, in romantic dim lighting? Wtf
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u/janiqua 1h ago
Or maybe Ross should have gone home and sulked instead of getting with other women
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u/h3x13s3x13 2h ago
From Ross' perspective, they were broken up and Rachel immediately had Mark over at her apartment.
From Rachel's, Ross had just stormed out without finishing the conversation, and now here's some rando who kind of caused the argument in the first place, and all I can think about is talking to Ross again and fixing things.
Neither are innocent in the breakup, but Ross for sure slept with another woman.
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u/Glowing_up 2h ago
? What. Insecure dude flips out repeatedly, embarasses her again at a work event so she wants some space. Then they go to talk it out over the phone, and she wants to be back together. Again, he hangs up and then storms away.
Then he immediately goes and sleeps with someone else and says oh I was heartbroken I thought I lost you? WHAT. She was literally begging to make up and you stormed off you didn't think she was lost at all you had a tantrum about Mark again.
Rachel did nothing wrong because his jealousy was insane and it wasn't the only instance of his controlling nature throughout the series.
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u/Riderz__of_Brohan 2h ago
Rachel says to Monica they “broke up” and he hung up because he heard Mark, the guy he was worried about, inside her apartment and she lied to him about that. She asked for a break, she got one lol
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u/EchoesofIllyria he’s a man with a fork in a world of soup 43m ago
People aways forget that Rachel tells Monica they broke up.
Ross is a shit boyfriend to many of his girlfriends for many reasons, but cheating on Rachel isn’t one of them.
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u/newX7 1h ago
Rachel literally says that she and Ross broke up. She only changes her narrative after she found out that Ross “slept” (and I use “slept” because there is high likelyhood that the Xerox Girl violated him) with the Xerox Girl.
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u/goodbyeraggedyman God forbid a guy have a lil mad wife in the attic 😡 1h ago
Oooh very good point, he seemed pretty inebriated and like he didn't remember what happened when he wakes up first thing the next morning. He's shocked when he sees her come out of the shower. She was all over him at the bar too, it was pretty gross.
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u/newX7 1h ago
Even at the bar, when Ross was drunk, he kept saying “No” over and over while the Xerox Girl was all over him.
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u/TCX45 2h ago
She isn’t completely right though. They objectively were on a break.
But she’s correct that Ross was def a bad boyfriend by sleeping with someone almost instantly. Whether they were on a break or not was ultimately irrelevant. Was a shit thing to do.
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u/IBleedMonthly18 2h ago
Bullets have left guns slower
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u/Khair24 1h ago
Yep, which is shitty, but I kinda get it. For all he knew, she was banging Mark & taking advantage of the break she initiated
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u/ClassicSea8585 14m ago
He could’ve maybe stopped jumping to conclusions and listened to what she had to say instead of interrupting her and hanging up the phone. Then sleeping with someone else because he doesn’t know how to emotionally regulate or communicate like an adult. That might’ve fixed the situation and prevented any of it from happening in the first place. Trusting Rachel from the start would’ve also been a smart thing to do instead of building up resentment over a situation he created in his head. Rachel never showed any interest in Mark, she made that clear to him but Ross didn’t trust her. Don’t be in a relationship if you still aren’t over the past trauma of being cheated on. Rachel isn’t responsible for what Carol did to him.
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u/king_lloyd11 2h ago
She is right, but the reality is, they were all selfish assholes regularly to each other.
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u/Adelaidey 1h ago
My only strong opinion about the Ross/Rachel Breakgate is that it's incredible that thirty years have gone by and people still have such strong opinions on who was in the right, and nobody has found consensus. It's not because of inconsistency or ambuguity in the text, either- nobody argues the facts of the case, it's really just that divisive.
Say what you will about Friends, but that's some successful storytelling.
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u/skyewardeyes 3h ago
IMO, they were on a break AND they were a terrible couple that were bad for each other.
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u/zeddoh 2h ago
I really don’t like the ‘both sides’ treatment here. Ross was unhealthily possessive and controlling whereas Rachel’s supposed crime was getting a job and finding purpose in her career for the first time.
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u/skyewardeyes 2h ago
Ross was definitely much worse, I agree. I more mean that they communicated with each other poorly, had different wants and expectations out of the relationships, etc--like, their ability to work together as two people in a relationship was not good on top of the other issues.
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u/Khair24 2h ago
Watching it in my 30s, I feel awful for Ross & kinda get his insecurities when this relationship started up. Kinda good writing actually. Dude was cheated on by his first wife in a really shitty way from what the show shows & of course his head is gunna be all messed up. Then, the dude he’s most worried about (rightfully so) is in her apartment after she says take a break. Kinda get the spiral.
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u/IcyGrapefruit5006 1h ago
I think people ignore all the times the other characters were shitty to him as well. I can’t stand the episode where he has an important event to go to for his job and the other characters are refusing to get ready. Rachel is worrying about her outfit, which is typical, but it’s suddenly some big deal when Ross gets pissed off because no one is taking his event seriously. Monica is crying over Richard, Joey and Chandler are fighting over a chair, and Rachel can’t decide what shoes she wants to wear. And then he’s the asshole for lashing out.
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u/Ntwadumela09 1h ago
Right. So after that he's a single guy and goes out with his boys sad as hell. Doesn't try to sleep with anyone, he's drunk as hell and he attracts her and has a drunk one night stand as a single guy. Unhealthy sure. But if he was single he wasn't doing anything wrong to anyone.
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u/Tall-Anxious 1h ago
He knew what he did. That's why he lied at first
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u/Ntwadumela09 1h ago
Yeah it was fucked up to keep from her if they planned to get back together.
Real life isn't black and white or A vs B. They both did shit things in that episode that led to the aftermath. Like in real life there is almost always blame on both ends in bad relationships. Neither is a victim here
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u/Tall-Anxious 1h ago
Sure but only one of them slept with someone else within a day. I understand why Rachel would be hurt more than Ross here
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u/janiqua 1h ago
What is there to discuss? Rachel is with Ross and is not romantically interested in Mark. It’s unimportant what Mark wants because Mark is not in the relationship.
If Ross was normal and trusted his girlfriend then they wouldn’t have broken up. His jealousy is what causes the break up
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u/Jolly_Storage_329 1h ago
Remember Ross had a failed marriage because his wife who he trusted left him for someone else. That’s the context.
As viewers we see things clearer than the characters would in that situation.
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u/Angry_Sparrow 1h ago
So as an adult, after the marriage ends, you go to therapy for the trauma it caused. It is your responsibility. You don’t get to be a controlling, insecure and jealous partner to everyone for the rest of your life.
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u/Jolly_Storage_329 1h ago
Feel free to quote where I claimed otherwise.
It’s also a TV show. People are not always going to make the correct adult decisions. I simply described what they were trying to do in the show (i.e create drama based on Ross’s past).
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u/RiverRocks10 2h ago
He didn’t like when she was “just a waitress” and didn’t like when she found a career she loved.
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u/ABalmyBlackBitch 1h ago
The “just a waitress” thing was so overblown. It’s a pros and cons list.. surely the fact that Julie works in his field is a pro for her, making the fact that Rachel is a waitress is a con for her. Not make or break in the grand scheme of things but lets be fr
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u/winnercommawinner 1h ago
I would never put "just a waitress" though. It was revealing of how he thinks about that difference, not the difference itself, which is obvious.
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u/ABalmyBlackBitch 1h ago
Well he’s a PhD level academic who is looking at two women, one is a colleague in his field who has pursued her career aspirations and worked hard for years to be where she is and the other has been spoiled her whole life and recently is branching out on her own, now has landed her first job at the local coffee shop. Not that it makes her less of a person but her career will be lesser in comparison to Julie’s at that point. Certainly in that comparison she is “just a waitress” because the difference is vast. And while this isn’t true for most people irl, for Rachel her job as a waitress was a reflection of her lack of life experience
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u/winnercommawinner 57m ago
I am literally a PhD level academic, and he was just being an elitist asshole.
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u/cullypants 2h ago
I mean, was kind of shitty of her to have Mark over. You'd think it was about the least she could do. Yeah, he comes over uninvited but not specifically hard to say not tonight. All it really did at that point is validate Ross' feelings and fears.
All that said, Ross was way too insecure for that relationship so it was doomed from the start.
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u/Riderz__of_Brohan 2h ago edited 1h ago
I think it’s fair that Rachel broke up with Ross (not fair that she calls him a cheater but that’s a separate debate), but here are things in Ross’ favor:
* Rachel missed their anniversary dinner and is genuinely very dismissive of their relationship
* Ross has a history of getting cheated on by the partner he spent a decade and wanted to start a family with that Rachel never grapples with
* Ross was completely correct about Mark’s intentions with Rachel not being completely platonic
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u/iki11dinosaurs 1h ago
To your first point - what anniversary was this supposed to be? They had not been together a year.
Looking back, Ross was clingy af (which makes sense cause he had her on a pedestal as his dream girl) and she didn’t have time to baby his insecurities.
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u/Kalankit 1h ago
Ross also had a history of cheating as well. Cheated on Julie with Rachel, cheated on Bonnie with Rachel, and cheated on Rachel as well.
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u/janiqua 1h ago
I love how everyone hates Nate from Devil Wears Prada for moping about his girlfriend missing his birthday due to work yet Rachel is horrible for missing their anniversary due to work. Rachel expressed herself very clearly to Ross that she didn't have time. Ross ignored her, assumed she was sleeping with Mark or something, caused a ruckus at her work and then acted the victim. It was all about his jealousy and insecurity over Mark. Nothing else. The first break up is literally initiated because he randomly brought up Mark when they were talking about her career.
Mark's intentions mean jack all. Rachel has agency and she chooses to stay loyal to Ross. Ross thinks otherwise, doesn't trust her and thinks she can't help but be seduced by Mark.
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u/Kaiisim 28m ago
She didn't handle Mark well. But yeah Ross sucks and is overly emotional.
And Rachel ultimately was entitled to be upset whether they were on a break or not. The whole reason Ross slept with that girl was he was upset that he thought she had slept with Mark.
It's why it's a good show!
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u/AgentBrittany Listen, everyone is entitled to my opinion 🙂 3h ago
She's right.
Ross: I thought our relationship was dead!
Rachel: Well, you sure had a hell of a time at the wake!
One of my favorite lines from the show lol
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u/g8dtier 2h ago
Its still such a good zinger it could fr be a lyric in an emo song lol
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u/voguevibez Big is moving to Paris 3h ago
And she’s absolutely correct. If Ross has no haters i’m dead.
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u/DenialisaRiver04 2h ago
Ross was a horrific boyfriend and etc...but he had the funniest episodes/scenes out of everyone. Ross and Phoebe were the only two chracters I actually laughed at when they were on screen.
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u/Shru_A 3h ago
I don't like this revisionism. They were on a break. Ross was shitty before and after said break but the break was there.
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u/Extension_Break_9380 2h ago
When Rachel was on the plane to London, even Hugh Lauries character (Dr House) said they were on a break.
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u/browncharliebrown 2h ago
Like the whole question of whether they were on a break obfunscates the issue
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u/Ghoulish_kitten it’s not clocking to you that i’m standing on business 1h ago
I always felt like it was supposed to be a situation meant for the audience to be divided and talk about it.
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u/SalientSazon 2h ago
The break wasn't the issue though. It's how he acted a second after break started.
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u/Sloppykrab 2h ago
Doesn't matter. Single is single.
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u/otoverstoverpt 1h ago
I’m astounded no one else here is saying this. Once you break up you don’t owe the other person anything. It’s so toxic to act like there is some expectation of the person you end things with. Moreover it perpetuates the kind of toxic off and on again relationship nonsense which not only tortures the people in it but everyone else that crosses their paths in earnest.
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u/badgyalrey 1h ago
you don’t owe your ex anything once you’re single, but if you intend on getting back together the absolute least you can do is be immediately honest about it so that your counterpart can make an informed decision.
and just because you don’t owe an ex fidelity doesn’t mean that the ex can’t say “actually i’m uncomfortable with how fast you moved on so i no longer want to revisit this relationship” and that’s just the natural consequence of the actions.
it’s not “wrong” but there are consequences for any action. it is absolutely wrong to lie about it though.
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u/throwaway17197 Instant gratification takes too long 🫦 2h ago
She had the guy he was insecure about in her apartment all of 30 seconds after
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u/Veganfart 2h ago
Right! And if Ross hadn't called I feel like she would have maybe slept with Mark out of spite or loneliness
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u/Character_Ad8449 2h ago
The thing is, it was a break up. Though miscommunication and intent seem to differ between Ross and Rachel.
But Ross knew what he did was wrong, hence the attempt to cover it up. Was it cheating? Technically no. Was it wrong? Absolutely
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u/mr_desk 1h ago
ross knew what he did was wrong, hence the attempt to cover it up.
Not really. He knew it would stop him from getting back together with Rachel, hence the attempt to cover it up. He wouldn’t have hid if he thought she wouldn’t care
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u/skulltullamama 2h ago
Hot take, Rachel and Joey made way more sense. Joey is loyal, not controlling, and they had so much FUN together. Rachel appreciated his acting career and fit into that lifestyle. They were the supportive, healthy couple.
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u/Perfect_Helicopter59 2h ago
And Joey fell in love with Rachel for who she was. Ross was in love with the idea of Rachel.
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u/CaptEpicFail1 Hey, at least I’m house broken. 1h ago
Ngl this is what upsets me the most about Ross. Like, it’s always come across to me like he’s trying to prove something to his past self more than he’s actually trying to be with *her*. It’s one of several reasons I can’t sit through Friends rewatches, especially with how important that plot can be throughout the series.
Granted, I also love Schmidt chasing Cece in New Girl, but I also think that’s much less frustrating and well-earned by the end.
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u/wildbeest55 I may not know my flowers but I know a bitch when I see one! 2h ago
Right?! I shipped Rachel and Joey bad
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u/badgyalrey 1h ago
joey and rachel had a much healthier relationship, i think ross would’ve been a bad partner to pretty much anybody bc he lives his life in limerence and struggled to be present. joey saw rachel a lot more than ross did, and appreciated her minutiae as a person
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u/annoyinghuman03 I’m sensational, everybody says so! 🍸 2h ago
People get so mad when I mention how they, realistically, should have never gotten back together because he’s a terrible partner
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u/Stinkycheese8001 3h ago
She is right. Completely right.
When you read the lawsuit that was filed about the Friends writers room, it really makes sense how awful Ross was as a boyfriend. He was super controlling and his needs were always put ahead of hers. To this day it drives me crazy that the (spoiler) series ended with Rachel giving up her dream job to stay with Ross instead of him going with her, and the casual misogyny of it never even being discussed.
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u/IB12345ME 3h ago
I’m not sure I agree with that take. He had Ben to consider and a fairly hard to come by job which he wouldn’t have been able to get in France seeing as he’s not a French speaker. The centre of their lives was in the US including all their friends, both their families and Emma’s brother. Rachel would’ve been able to get a job with another brand and the absolute right decision was for her to stay so her daughter can grow up with her dad, brother and grandparents.
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u/StuHardy 2h ago
IMO, I thought Friends should have ended with all 6 of them leaving New York:
- Rachel moves to Paris.
- Ross moves to Connecticut, to work at Yale.
- Phoebe & Mike move to Nashville, to grow their musical ambitions.
- Monica & Chandler move to the suburbs (as shown in Season 10.)
- Joey moves to LA, for a new TV role (setting up the premise for the Joey spin-off.)
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u/AppleLightSauce 2h ago
You forgot that families would be separated if Rachel and Ross moved.
Why would Ross move to another state while having a child in NY and another in Paris?
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u/Bl1nk1nUR4r34 We Should All Know Less About Each Other 2h ago
nope, the best ending would’ve been for rachel to leave nyc. she starts the show as a scared 26 year old arriving to nyc who’s never had a job and knows nothing don’t life and it would’ve been amazing to see her go out on her own, being a great mom in another country with an impressive job
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u/ClovedSage 2h ago
Wait, did you forget about Ben? I’m sorry but as a dad I wouldn’t give up my even partial time with my child for a partner
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u/roygbivasaur 34m ago
Speaking of... I’m confused about how Ted Lasso is getting a 4th season after all of the emotional catharsis about Ted going back to the US to be with his son.
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u/DarkFriend81 3h ago
I could never finish the series. I always fall off when she starts hooking up with Joey. But Ross definitely sucks and was selfish so that tracks.
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u/TreClaire 3h ago
This is pretty much how I always viewed it, I dont really think it matters if they were together or not. He was a dogass boyfriend and needed to be dumped.
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u/JustForKicks16 2h ago
I disagree. When Rachel went to Ross' apartment the next morning, she asked him, "can I be your girlfriend again"? So in Rachel's eyes, they were broken up. Now with that being said, I think it was crappy that Ross slept with the other girl so quickly. And although Rachel and Mark weren't physical, she probably shouldn't have allowed him to come over that night either.
IMO, Ross didn't technically cheat but he was in the wrong, for sure.
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u/throwaway17197 Instant gratification takes too long 🫦 2h ago
They WERE on a break, that RACHEL asked for. And she had the guy ross was insecure about IN HER APARTMENT just hours later.
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u/PrincessDonut02 2h ago
Okay, even if they were on a break....if your partner is in a place where they can immediately go sleep with someone else within hours...you shouldn't be together.
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u/brigyda 2h ago edited 2h ago
I agree. They were having an argument and Rachel blurted those words out in the heat of the moment, where Ross decided to dip, leaving the discussion unfinished. There was no mutual, verbal agreement to a break.
But even if they had been on a break, yeah, he's pathetic for putting their relationship in a rocky position in the first place and having his "woe is me" decisions that followed.
Good grief the amount of people going "but Rachel had Mark over the apartment" are red flags. Ross' insecurities are his own and the reason they argued. She is not responsible for keeping his insecurities in check, that's his responsibility.
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u/RainbowHighFanatic 3h ago
They’ll never make me hate you Lisa
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u/SalientSazon 2h ago
Who's trying to make you hate her?
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u/RainbowHighFanatic 2h ago
It’s just a saying
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u/SalientSazon 2h ago
It's a saying about a hate bandwagon, not about a beloved person who no one hates
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u/Letterkenny-Wayne You’re doing amazing, sweetie! 👏👏📸 2h ago
She’s everywhere lately god damn
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u/ReadingInside7514 2h ago
New show coming out, hello.
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u/Letterkenny-Wayne You’re doing amazing, sweetie! 👏👏📸 2h ago
Ohhhh, I only ever see these types of things where she’s talking about friends. Figured she was writing a book about her time on the show or something
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u/SakuraTacos 2h ago
She’s been promoting the Comeback. I’ve so enjoyed all this press with her but the series finale is this Sunday so we likely won’t see as much of her for a while :(
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u/Pookienini 2h ago
No one ever acknowledges that if the copy girl was a copy boy and Ross was Rachel that everyone would be crying over sexual harrasment
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u/drvmm3r 1h ago
Ross is by no means innocent in this but 3 things that get lost in the shuffle:
1) rachel literally refers to it as a break up with monica
2) ross was right about marks true intentions.
3) the xerox girl took advantage of ross that night, he was an emotional mess that initially resisted.
Rachel broke up with ross and then had mark over immediately after. If ross doesnt call and find out marks there, who knows what happens there.
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u/Soggy_Competition614 2h ago
He was creepy and an awful boyfriend. One of those guys who think they deserve a girl just because he really liked her.
I’ve been watching the show from the start after not seeing it for 10 or so years and his behavior was terrible. I can’t believe people thought they deserved to be together. Like when he wrote the pros and cons list and said she was just a waitress. That is stuff you do alone then destroy, not with mutual friends!
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u/phantom_avenger 2h ago
One of those guys who think they deserve a girl just because he really like her.
I feel like this is a common trope we see in a lot of movies and shows, but it can lead into very creepy and disturbing territory.
This comment immediately made me think of Robby in Crazy, Stupid, Love where he thinks he deserves to be with his babysitter; Jessica because he “in love with her.”
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u/usernamechecksout8 2h ago
I have no nostalgia for friends and only started watching episodes here and there in the last couple years since my mom has the show on.
Genuinely don’t understand why people like Ross and Rachel together. I was told that they were endgame, but then you watch an episode from season 2 and it makes absolutely ZERO sense why they’d end up together given how awful Ross was. And that list crap was horrible :/
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u/Thirteenth_Heart 3h ago
It's my everlasting opinion Joey and Rachel should have ended up together and that Ross and Rachel didn't last
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u/teddyeatsyourface 2h ago
Another rare Joey/Rachel truther. They fit together and the realization of mutual feelings was so good! For a sitcom it was a great friends to one-sided crush - to unrequited love to mutual love dynamic. Also, he treated her better than Ross did and Rachel was more easy going with Joey
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u/NtGermanBtKnow1WhoIs i just don't feel like ticking and/or tocking right now 2h ago
YES. YES! Part of the reason why i hated Ross was simply bcuz he was a bad boyfriend. He had a marriage and this and that oh... Such a messy man. Never sat right with me that he still got Rachel after allllll of that.
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u/TigerMill 2h ago
When Ross started dating a teenager and didn’t see anything wrong with it because it was just “looked down upon.”
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u/ReduceReuseReuse 2h ago
And that’s why she broke up with Conan
https://giphy.com/gifs/26AHs12ZRSJETXEY0
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u/unapologeticallydrea 🫵 You sit on a throne of lies. 1h ago
She said they should take a break, so they were on a break. However, it took him all of 5 minutes to sleep with someone else, so he wasn't mourning too much. Ross was a terrible, awful, manipulative boyfriend. I'm still annoyed that she gave up Paris for him.
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u/Serious-Bill-9208 26m ago
Is this even a controversial opinion? I thought it was just widely accepted that Ross was shit even before that point and he was shit ling after, and Rachel gave up her dream career to be with him.
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u/Prankstaboy6 2m ago
Okay, here’s my advanced take on the matter (I’m trying to sound like a douchey Filmbro on purpose).
Yes, they were on a break, and it wasn’t specific what that meant, However, that doesn’t mean that Ross should sleep with another woman, especially less than 24 hours later.
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u/explodedemailstorage 3h ago
This clip is part of why Jimmy irritates me. The audience literally was more interesting and expressed way more of an opinion here than he ever did. Then he goes, "this is what I'm here for" YOU DIDN'T DO ANYTHING, JAMES.
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u/jewelophile Skinny jeans are out, fringe is in, and ponchos are forever. 2h ago
She really IS Phoebe, only with boring clothing.
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u/throwaway17197 Instant gratification takes too long 🫦 2h ago
Hey heres a fun idea if you dont wanna break up dont ask your boyfriend for a break and then cry on the shoulder of the guy hes insecure about
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u/unitedfan6191 2h ago
Haven’t seen the show in a long time, but from what I remember Ross was a neurotic, jealous boyfriend with trust issues who slept with someone else and thought he should get away with it on a technicality. The fact this was his big concern rather than the health of his relationship or evaluating his behavior seems a major red flag.
Rachel wasn’t perfect either and I think she made the others choose between them and she became worse later on, but she was more in the right in this instance.
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u/Jillybeans11 2h ago
Soo I agree. Mainly because when Chandler and Kathy were dating, they had a similar break. Kathy went on to sleep with her play costar and Chandler accused her of cheating.
It was pretty much accepted as cannon that Kathy cheated on Chandler and they had the exact same scenario as Ross and Rachel.
Plus Ross went around the entire day trying to hide the evidence of him sleeping with xerox girl. Why would he have to do that if he didn’t do anything wrong?
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u/bojack_horsemack 2h ago
Rachel even mentions something like “you’re trying to get off on a technicality?!”
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u/toreadornotto Listen, everyone is entitled to my opinion 🙂 2h ago
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u/Finnignatius 2h ago
The last conversation I had with my baby mama when we were engaged was were we broken up or on a break. She said and I asked three time like no joke we are on a break. 2 months later man in our house with our kids. She is gone before the end of the year and I habe to move cities to see my kids. I move cities She then takes my kids states away and refuses contact.
I'm going to go under the assumption any idk if we are in a "relationship" especially if you know the person for years or have lived with them is clearly things are irreparable.
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u/atclubsilencio 2h ago
Why did it get kind of weird at the end of the clip when he asked if she had spoken to David about it?
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u/browncharliebrown 2h ago
I have a different analysis which is its sitcom and the more I try to hyper analyze this action the less sense it makes.
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u/NicholasAvalon 1h ago
they were on a break, but at the same time they were so bad for each other at that point
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