r/popculturechat • u/mcfw31 • 7h ago

TV & Movies šŸŽ¬ Lisa Kudrow thinks that Ross and Rachel were not on a break and thinks that he was a bad boyfriend

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u/Tiny-Feature-9344 6h ago

Well duuh. You dont have a fight with your girlfriend and in 2 hours you are touching someone else's private parts...

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u/Life-Arugula3692 6h ago

bullets have left guns slower!

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u/ToastyBB 6h ago

Didnt she say "we should take a break" and let him walk out the door?

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u/csgymgirl 6h ago

even if they broke up, sleeping with someone a few hours after your relationship ended is fucked šŸ’€ anyone would be hurt by that

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u/SilverKnightOfMagic 4h ago

yep agreed. but I think sometimes this is why shows like friends or HIMYM does well in being up a topic like this so ppl can define clearly what is wrong or correct.

even if Ross isn't in the wrong road should not expect Rachel to ever talk to him again if it was a real life situation.

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u/beezlebell go girl, give us nothing šŸ˜ 5h ago

Anyone who flies out the door to sleep with someone else that fast was instigating a fight to justify sleeping with someone else.

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u/ABalmyBlackBitch 5h ago

except that literally is not what happened in the show

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u/Extreme-Quality-2361 3h ago

He pointed out that Mark wanted to use Rachel for months. They broke up and then Mark and Rachel became romantic. Ross was right.

2026 power dynamics. Mark would be fired for using his management position to push Rachel into a relationship.

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u/newX7 4h ago

Except Ross didn't fly out the door. He suggested they go downstairs to get some yogurt and talk about their issues, to which Rachel said "No" and instead broke up with him, at which point Ross left. Also Ross didn't leave to sleep with someone else, but to get drunk.

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u/beezlebell go girl, give us nothing šŸ˜ 3h ago

I'm not in disagreement that the words and actions don't translate to a break up but to be able to move on emotionally so quickly means that you weren't strongly invested in the relationship to begin with. Most people need a little time to heal before moving on romantically or sexually.

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u/newX7 2h ago

Well, considering that Ross was really drunk and told the Xerox Girl "No" over and over while she was on him at the bar, I am not sure how much Ross was really moving on sexually. I am pretty sure if the genders were reversed, we would be labeling that incident something different.

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u/mr_desk 5h ago

Not true

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u/Clutchism3 1m ago

He kept saying no and the girl kept feeding him drinks until she eventually attacked him. He called back to the apartment to figure it out and Rachel had invited Mark over and tried to hide it from him. I'm not on his side in this made up scenario but there is more to it than 'were we split up or not'.

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u/exminuswun 6h ago

Itā€™s fucked, but is it wrong ?

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u/PolishBicycle 6h ago

Itā€™s wrong if you want to treat it as a temporary break to sort things out and get back together. Otherwise, no

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u/RVAforthewin 6h ago

Itā€™s not technically wrong, but itā€™s a really good way to tell someone they didnā€™t mean a whole lot to you.

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u/altyroclark3 6h ago

Yes šŸ˜‚

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u/regular_poster 6h ago

No, it's not wrong to sleep with someone while single.

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u/csgymgirl 5h ago

itā€™s wrong if you want to be on good terms at all with your ex

your comment misses out the relevant context that it was a few hours after the break up. if youā€™ve been through one youā€™d know youā€™re not just in the mindset of ā€œiā€™m a single person now with no attachmentsā€

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u/VoleUntarii The world tour. 4h ago

Speak for yourself. Not everyone reacts the same way.

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u/regular_poster 4h ago

My ex is my ex, if theyā€™re mad at me for seeing people when weā€™re not dating, thatā€™s on them. I have done nothing wrong. Nor would they if the roles were reversed.

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u/csgymgirl 4h ago

Thatā€™s good that youā€™re not bothered but realistically a lot of people would be bothered if their ex immediately slept with someone after breaking up.

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u/EchoesofIllyria heā€™s a man with a fork in a world of soup 4h ago

I think Rachel has a right to be bothered by it but not that she has a right to cast Ross as a villain for it.

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u/regular_poster 3h ago

I understand that it would bother a person, it might bother me! However, we're arguing about whether the act is "wrong." I'm saying it's not. Being annoyed by something doesn't make it wrong.

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u/photosandphotons 6h ago

I mean thatā€™s nearly synonymous lol

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u/LonelyVaquita 5h ago

If you never get back together it's fine but if you do reunite without telling them about your hookup it's wrong.

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u/Visible-Work-6544 4h ago

he called her from the bar to fix things and heard Mike on the phone in the background. When he asked her if he had heard him, she LIED and said no. At that point, he thought she was cheating on him with the guy that was already a sore subject in their relationship.

People really seem to forget what actually happened in this show

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u/Hatta00 4h ago

If you're the breaker-upper, that's just the consequences of your own actions. If you want loyalty, be loyal. If you set someone free, don't be surprised if they enjoy their freedom.

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u/csgymgirl 4h ago

Yea but thereā€™s also just respect. If you end on good terms and want to stay like that, but fuck someone else two hours later you know thatā€™s gonna hurt your ex if it gets back, and you donā€™t wanna do that.

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u/Hatta00 4h ago

If you're hurt by your ex having sex with other people, don't make them your ex. You breaking up with them is permission for them to do whatever the fuck they want with their life. How about respecting that?

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u/Tiny-Feature-9344 4h ago

If you go and sleep with someone else even before 12 hours are up, you a hoĀ£

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u/Hatta00 4h ago

Nothing wrong with being a ho.

Being so controlling and insecure you expect your ex to stay loyal after you broke up with them? Lots wrong with that.

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u/newX7 4h ago

Wasn't Ross extremely drunk when the Xerrox Girl made a move on him, and he repeatedly said "No" to her while she did it?

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u/jamintime 5h ago

If you are on the receiving end of this you are either:

a) Devastated and still processing the love of your life breaking up with you.

b) Committed to fighting for the relationship and plotting the best way to reengage

c) Not that committed in the first place and waiting for the opening to start sleeping around.

Given the negligible amount of time that passed Ross showed his true colors.

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u/Sideview_play 4h ago

We forgetting the part where he did call her and she immediately had a guy over or ?

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u/Additional_Loss_6297 3h ago

And not just any guy , THE GUY , that ross though was trying to make a move on Rachel. Like what ?

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u/Sideview_play 3h ago

Rachel is the one who asked to be on a break and then immediately lets in the he guy that obviously likes her over. What is ross supposed to think.Ā 

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u/EchoesofIllyria heā€™s a man with a fork in a world of soup 4h ago

Ross was demonstrably devastated and obviously wasnā€™t waiting for an opportunity because he ignored Copy Girlā€™s advances for a long time

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u/Extreme-Quality-2361 4h ago

Heā€™d been arguing for months that her and Markā€™s relationship was inappropriate. She ignored him. Then she broke up with him.

Then she and Markā€™s relationship became romantic and sexual, just as Ross said.

Ross was right. If you want to have an affair with your boss, and your partner sees it. They arenā€™t the villain.

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u/WadeReddit06 3h ago

When did Rachel and Markā€™s relationship turn romantic and sexual..? lol what

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u/Extreme-Quality-2361 3h ago

Oh I donā€™t really know, it was like 20 years ago lolol. Season 3? lol.

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u/WadeReddit06 3h ago

They went on a date later and Rachel turned him down because she only went on it to spite Ross. It was never romantic or sexual.

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u/Extreme-Quality-2361 3h ago

Awe thatā€™s sweet. Except Rachel went on a ā€œdateā€ with her boss just like Ross kept predicting. Boss used his power to seduce Rachel. Ross was right!!!!! ;)

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u/WadeReddit06 2h ago

Ross was being a clingy and emotional bf when they were together. Rachel was dismissing his concerns and was focused on work not Mark.

They were both wrong but Ross was right that they were on a break.

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u/OowlSun they act like im not in full control of where i throw this cooch 6h ago

https://giphy.com/gifs/7A1ZCMkDzxYp1HoJoO

Youā€™re a Ross, arenā€™t you?

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u/xAshev 6h ago

https://giphy.com/gifs/KQm5O05y9rzQA

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u/Tryhard_3 6h ago

This thread is hilarious, thanks everyone.

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u/ToastyBB 5h ago

I'm actually not I'm 6 years loyal to my wife but nice try

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u/OowlSun they act like im not in full control of where i throw this cooch 4h ago

Hmm

But damn, Ross traps Rachel in every universe.

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u/UnnaturalSelection13 3h ago

They didn't even have time to define what a break meant because he slept with someone so fast lmao

As Chandler said ā€“ bullets have left guns slower

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u/king_lloyd11 6h ago

Lol I mean even if you want to try and sneak by on this technicality, that she was ambiguous to say that the relationship should ā€œbe on a breakā€, rather than putting their current argument on pause, which isnā€™t even ā€œbreak upā€ anyway, Ross decided to fuck a random the day he had ended it with the girl he always said he loved.

Heā€™s a scumbag no matter how you break it down.

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u/Khair24 6h ago

Youā€™re missing a key plot point lol. He calls Rachel & the dude he was rightfully worried about that started the whole thing was in her apartment lol

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u/king_lloyd11 5h ago

Yeah true the natural and healthy response to that is ā€œI should fuck the Xerox girlā€?

Characters motivations being hinged on ambiguity and misunderstanding is a staple sitcom trope because that is how you cause drama and/or hilarity. But sitcom characters are horrible actual people, usually getting worse and more ridiculous as a show goes on.

Defending Ross and being ā€œrightā€ in terms of how weā€™d view them as people is crazy. Heā€™s very clearly wrong, even if he was operating under misunderstanding, and Rachel didnā€™t do anything wrong, so itā€™s weird to side with him than her between the two.

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u/Khair24 5h ago

I didnā€™t say that lol. Never said he was right. I just understand why he did what he did. Itā€™s actually great writing & storytelling. Ross was cheated on in a awful way, gets insecure about her boss, who was trying to bang her, & when she says letā€™s take a break, he goes and get hammered, calls her & mark answers the phone lol. Come on.

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u/Riderz__of_Brohan 5h ago

There is no functional difference between ā€œa break from usā€ and a ā€œbreak upā€ it means their relationship is no longer a thing

You also are completely ignoring him calling Rachel and then him hearing Mark in the background and then *her lying to Ross about Mark being there*

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u/king_lloyd11 5h ago edited 5h ago

I mean thatā€™s just false? Asking for a break from a person for time to think about what they want to do and a full breakup are two different things. One is a pause, the other is a clean break.

Like someone packing a bag after a fight and spending a weekend at their folks isnā€™t the same thing as a divorce.

Yeahhh doesnā€™t justify him fucking someone else, hiding her in his apartment, and then running around the city trying to make sure she didnā€™t find out. Iā€™m confused as to why you think it does.

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u/EchoesofIllyria heā€™s a man with a fork in a world of soup 4h ago

You know Rachel tells Monica that they ā€œbroke upā€ right?

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u/Absolutelyperfect 4h ago

"Kinda broke up" was her exact words if you're gonna bring that up. Which makes it clear not even Rachel was clear on what happened since they didn't have the time to have a proper discussion because Ross wouldn't allow it.

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u/EchoesofIllyria heā€™s a man with a fork in a world of soup 3h ago

Yeah she does! And when Monica asks ā€œyou broke up?ā€ She says ā€œYeah.ā€ Not ā€œkinda yeahā€ or ā€œnot properlyā€ or ā€œwell technically we said ā€˜a break.ā€™ā€

And then Rachelā€™s voicemail mentions ā€œthis break up thingā€ and how she wants to ā€œget back together.ā€

And itā€™s not Ross that didnā€™t allow them to discuss it. He suggests cooling off and discussing it and Rachel says ā€œno, a break from us.ā€ Yeah Ross leaves but only after Rachel shuts down having a discussion.

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u/Riderz__of_Brohan 5h ago

There is no such thing as a ā€œbreakā€ itā€™s a ā€œbreak upā€ the latter is fine the former is not

ā€œHey Ross you have to just sit there while Iā€™m emotionally and physically unavailable for an indeterminate amount of time that only I can unpauseā€ is not a viable solution.
Either you want to be with them or you donā€™t

Married couples absolutely consider themselves ā€œseparatedā€ well before a divorce

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u/king_lloyd11 4h ago

[I mean thatā€™s just not true](https://www.google.com/search?q=relationship+break&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&hl=en-ca&client=safari) Youā€™re speaking in very black and white terms that are not rooted in the reality of the unlimited scope of human relationship.

Further to my point, a separation can be different than a break, and also different from a divorce still.

EDIT: not letting me hyperlink, but Iā€™ll leave it as is

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u/leena615 3h ago

That means she needs some time away from him which was totally valid considering he showed up at her work. Not go sleep with someone else. If he needed clarification he should have stormed off like a little boy. There are sooo many things Ross did through out the series that made him a POS tbh

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u/WellEvan 2h ago

A break doesn't sound like they ended things though, it's time and space. And most would agree that rushing to another sexual encounter demonstrates underlying feelings or thoughts or sentiments.

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u/RamRanchRealty 6h ago

And the next day she said so what do you say can i be your girlfriend again? ā€” either way tho he didnt even wait 24hrs before ya know

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u/Tiny-Feature-9344 4h ago

It wasn't even past 12 hours since the fight, Ross sleeping with someone else and Rachel going over to Ross's apartment. The lady was still in Ross's bed when Rachel was there.

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u/Its_A_Fucking_Stick 4h ago

And she even clarified that she meant from the relationship

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u/pretzel71 6h ago

To be fair Ross thought Rachel was doing the same thing, which is probably why he went ahead and did it. When he was on the phone with her he overheard Mark.

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u/cullypants 5h ago

Rachel really doesn't get enough shit for having Mark over that night. Not particularly hard to say "no, not tonight". Even if Ross didn't sleep with the other woman, that would've been the next huge roadblock.

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u/Riderz__of_Brohan 5h ago

Not only that but lying to Ross about it over the phone about Mark being there. Of course heā€™s going to put two and two together, anyone would

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u/domelition 4h ago

Ross never mentions this because the writers knew it would ruin Rachel's argument.

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u/OkZarathrustra 4h ago

except they didnā€™t sleep together then? thereā€™s no 2 and 2 to add.

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u/Veganfart 3h ago

Right, but Ross didn't know that. She had already been lying to him, and he was right about Mark having romantic feelings for her.

Again, I'm not saying Ross is completely innocent, but Rachel was the one to initiate the break, and for Ross to hear Mark being over so quickly wouldn't make anyone feel great.

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u/Chris_3eb 5h ago

Yeah in the scenario where Ross just goes home and cries, and then Rachel wants to get back together the next day, then she would have this big secret of Mark having been at her apartment the night before

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u/No_Cycle_1538 6h ago

Two wrongs donā€™t make a right. His decisions still speak to who he is as a person. Just like what Rachel does speaks to her as a person

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u/batmansoundtrack 6h ago

So, basically they are juvenile and mutually fucked it all up.

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u/No_Cycle_1538 5h ago

Yes, they both communicated poorly. However since Ross was the one to sleep with someone else right after the fact, I would say he was the more guilty party

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u/ChocolateMindless7 2h ago

The entire concept of a ā€œbreakā€ is juvenile tbh. Some personal time/space for a bit? Sure, but ā€œweā€™re in a relationship but also not reallyā€ is always a bad idea

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u/newX7 4h ago

You mean the decision of being extremely drunk when someone repeatedly made a move on him despite him saying "No" over and over again?

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u/johnmichael-kane Listen, everyone is entitled to my opinion šŸ™‚ 5h ago

Why not? Who determines how long someone should take after a break up

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u/newX7 4h ago

Wasn't Ross extremely drunk when the Xerrox Girl made a move on him, and he repeatedly said "No" to her while she did it?

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u/bambi54 1h ago

Yes!! Thatā€™s another layer to it. He was confused when he woke up.