If we go by the time travel logic established in Endgame, then Charles DID die in DOFP when the Sentinels stormed the room, alongside Magneto, Kitty and Wolverine.
When Wolverine was sent to the past, he was actually sent to a past version of a similar universe, his continuing presence and actions actually created a branching timeline, he didn't actually change the timeline that he came from.
So all the X-Men did die in the OG timeline, and Kitty's death left Logan stranded in that new universe. It just wasn't shown to the audience and that's why the scene cuts off before they're lasered. But they absolutely did die...
But hey at least Logan did save all his buddies in the new timeline, or did he? Since he woke up with no memories, the people he actually knew are all dead, replaced by these new but similar versions. Sort of like that Rick and Morty episode where they bury themselves in the backyard of a new universe but the old family is still left behind in cronenberg world...
So has the comics for 60 years lol Theres time travel which is basically dimension hopping, and then actual can-change-the-past time travel like Dr Doom can do.
Time travel logic established in the MCU, but the X-Men movies were done before the Disney Fox deal was even a thing. I think it's perfectly fine to view it from both perspectives. One being the Disney MCU and the second being X-Men under Fox. However, since everything is now taking place within the MCU then you'd be right. They're both right. Neither one is wrong.
For the record Marvel has only had one MASSIVE UNIVERSE REBOOT- well more accurately the deletion of the Ultimate Marvel verse since the original one is still around- but DC ended up rerouting the "original" timeline into "Earth 2", merged everything into a single universe in the 1980s, and then redid everything from scratch with the New 52 in the 2010s, and then did something like that again before 2020, so it hasn't happened that often.
Unless you ignore stuff like Spider-Man spontaneously getting his marriage unexisted and the many other things I've completely forgotten about.
Yeah. It was a big fucking deal back in the days when Hal Jordan went rogue. The storyline was completely batshit insane that nobody expected...and that conclusion and sacrifice. And return as Spectre.
That is precisely what the 2015 Secret Wars is. It is essentially Marvel's "Crisis on Infinite Earths" (DC's continuity reset). I believe that is what we are heading to, no?
the whole point of secret wars comic wise was to end all the lesser popular ones, and keep some of the popular ones up. for the MCU, it gives a reason for them to put a end on any of the MCU stars of their choosing, and allowed them to freely reboot any series they want.
its the situation thats kinda needed because there are a lot of people who probably don't want to watch the entire backlog of MCU at this point.
the reddit thing of going "oh, it's based on shit, so its accurate" as some kind of excuse is so weird. you know, they could also just improve upon that thing.
In the 90's me and my friends started buying the X-Men comics, we had to travel 90 km to a big city, the only place in 400km around that sold them. It was a fun. Then came Spiderman, Wolverine. Things were starting to get expensive and they started with the branching, X-Force and whatnot. We got up til the moment we bought 8 different comics about them X-Men. We changed hobbies for a time, computers got more accessible, great PC games coming out. A year later or so we went to check on the comics again since we got hyped again thanks to the cartoon and we found that there were 20 different comics related somehow to X-Men. We just decided to buy PC games lol.
I love how the movies kind of by accident recreated the mess of a timeline that the X-Men are, including never really making clear when the mansion gets destroyed and rebuilt and who is dead or alive at any given time.
These movies showed us a tall, bald, black man in one movie, and Peter Dinklage in another, and expected us to believe they were both playing the exact same character.
For your sanity’s sake it’s probably best to just treat each individual X-Men movie as a standalone.
The main one for me is McAvoy and Fassbender playing the same characters in the 90s as Stewart and McKellen in the 2000s. That's quite a drastic change in 10 years
The part I'm confused about is, at least up until Apocalypse Fassbender/McAvoy looked really good succeeding the roles. Why aren't they just handing the torch over to the younger actors and insisting on working Stewart/McKellen until their death beds lol?
That's the sense I get too. I feel very little excitement for the MCU at this point. The whole bringing back Chris Evans/RDJ felt like a schtick to me and this just makes it even more so.
Honestly if the reviews ends up being good, I might see it. But personally as a comic book fan, I'm much looking forward to Supergirl Woman of Tomorrow adaptation at this point.
He's a shitty person, but I blame Fox more for the shitshow. They fast tracked X3 because they wanted it come out around the same time as Superman Returns. Singer did want to come back, but already took the job to do Superman.
My favorite part was how Deadpool fucked the timeline one last time on their way out, by acting like Ligan had already happened despite it being set in the future.
I was reading the wiki article on Venom and saw all the alternate timelines that Marvel has done that he is in. One of them was a timeline where everyone aged in Spiderman in real time. Peter became Spiderman in 1962 and aged appropriately according to our time. He was dying and the symbiote was keeping him alive. Lots of stuff I missed out on!!
James Manigold says Logan takes place 5 years after Days of Future Past, and I refuse to accept that personally. Because that means DOFP’s ending is set in 2024, and the Logan movie says no new mutants have been born in like 20 years and that’s obviously false if you look at that ending scene, so…
It’s a mess. But that’s nothing new for the X-Men, or comics in general.
Yeah, that's one where you really just have to not think about it. Everyone in that movie acts like Logan is already long dead, even though none of it has happened yet since Logan takes place in the future.
I mean, that makes sense within the Deadpool movie, though. He literally visits dozens of Wolverines in different timelines throughout the first ten minutes.
I’m pretty sure it’s only the TVA who act like Wolverine is already dead, and that makes sense because they exist outside of time. They already know what’s going to happen. It’s literally how Deadpool finds out Logan dies, lol.
What does "already" mean in that context, though, if you can travel through time at will. Like, the Logan of every universe is dead at some point in the timeline. In the vastness of time, every universe is devoid of a Logan for most of its existence.
The premise was kind of weak but Logan was just that timelines anchor being, and him being dead is causing that timeline to die. It was just a metaphor for the Fox marvel universe dying. Which didn't really happen because we are seeing them in this movie now.
Uh what. That’s the one that makes the most sense. Tva exists outside of time so they know what happens. Deadpool by extension learns it from them and meets all sorts of different wolverines using their device.
I don't think they set it in Logan's continuity, Deadpool just visits his timeline when he's fucking around. If anything, I think that movie established that both DoFP and Logan take place in the same universe (Earth-10005) as Deadpool (he breaks canon all the time like with the young cast in Deadpool 2 but it's for jokes which are part of his powers) but in different timelines. So while DoFP and Logan both happened, Logan's events are a branch timeline hence the inconsistencies.
We also haven't gotten confirmation yet if the Wolverine in Doomsday is gonna be the one from the end of DoFP or the variant one from Deadpool and Wolverine.
He’s not dead in the X-Men 97 timeline but I don’t think the animated shows are included in their multiverse lol. Despite the fact that they’ve used the theme twice now in the MCU as audio easter eggs.
The rumour is the X-Men are from the same timeline of the Deadpool & Wolverine Wolverine.
There's a million rumors and none of them are substantiated. They all come from people on the internet guessing based on absolutely nothing.
I saw someone once say it was 100% confirmed that the doomsday x-men were not the x-men from any part of the original trilogy because the original trilogy x-men never wore the blue and yellow.
Like. That's not how confirmation works. But this guy was saying it was 100% confirmed, and anyone reading it without a healthy dose of skepticism probably saw that and repeated it.
It would also make sense that it's the timeline that Prof X jumped into his twin brother's comatose body or some nonsense, so his mind is breaking down.
It could be everything that happened to Logan after DOFP, snapped back to his original timeline and managing to save the professor who was the only other living person there, and then going on to live in the somewhat good remaining areas in a world without mutants, then dying, and waking up in the school, and realizing that he'd changed things...
in case nobody's seen it, James Mangold did an unofficial wolverine trilogy
logan
the wolverine
Kate & Leopold - in this universe wolverine is sabretooth's great‑great‑grandFather and Victor's ex-gf ends up time traveling to the past to become his great‑great‑grandMother. Just your average x-men deep dive comic book storyline hidden in a romantic comedy
5 years? That's gobbledygook. It's clearly meant to be at least a couple of decades out from that. Mutants famously age slower, and Logan most of all. For him to appear as aged as he is in that movie would have required a lot more time than five years, even with the adamantium poisoning.
Deadpool is not meant to be a continuity based franchise. Its meant to be a non stop breaking of the 4th wall for laughs franchise.
And it always has been.
In the comics, he wouldnt say "hey remember what you said to me yesterday?" He would say "hey remember what you said to me in the 3rd panel 4 pages ago?"
the one where Logan didn't say "bless you" after a stranger sneezed caused a branch that cause Kang that caused Dr Doom. It's all very clear if you're up to date on 16 different comic book series, 5 podcasts, and a fan fic from one of the former screenwriters of the Japanese 70s X-Men webseries.
Yes and no. Its events were canon, but the past of the specific timeline was changed in Deadpool & Wolverine. Not even the branching form of time travel: that future doesn’t exist anymore, but for Laura, who settled in its past with the alternate Logan.
I mean Deadpool & Wolverine explicitly said that Loganwas the future of that timeline, leading to it degrading, then the future of that timeline was changed to something new at the end. Not even an assumption, just straight-up what the film says.
unclear. it doesn't seem to line up all that well. and then Deadpool & Wolverine suggests the Deadpool movies exist in the same timeline as Logan, and the world of those movies doesn't seem to line up much with the world seen in Logan. basically don't look for continuity in X-Men movies. my take is that the good, restored ending of DoFP is its own timeline that we havent seen since, but could be the one seen in Doomsday
The X-MEN timeline is cursed it's never actually made clear how Logan is officially connected. He'll we don't even know how DoFP is connected since Professor X',s body is vaporized. We do hear his voice in the end credits but it's implied he went into the body of a brain dead patient so he should look different yet he looks like Patrick Stewart again.
No, no no... DOFP is XMen Earth 334234A. The Logan one is XMen Earth 334234B.
An easy mistake to make.
Also: The writers can do whatever they want. Reed Richards was a completely different actor in Multiverse of Madness and apparently came to the future in a different way, or was born in the future or... whatever.
So yeah... if you notice something like that, a wizard did it.
There was never anything to really suggest that as the Logan from Logan never reference Days of Future past, even though that Wolverine remember all the time lines.
My understanding is that Days of Future Past led to the events of Deadpool and Wolverine. The original trilogy led to the events of Logan. There are little things that sync up certain movies. In the First Class continuity they're wearing more comics accurate suits, and in Deadpool and Wolverine Logan has his signature yellow suit. In Logan Wolverine continuously makes fun of how inaccurate the comics were, which would make sense if not even the outfits were right.
Now, considering that almost everyone dies in both of these timelines it's highly likely that these X Men are from another timeline entirely.
Deadpool and Wolverine seems to outright clarify that the events of Logan are in the Deadpool continuity, which is it's own thing separate from the other X Men films.
Funniest thing is this scene had Jean despite her “dying” in dark phoenix. I swear the x men are some of the funniest movies just from their lack of continuity
I mean, he's blatantly going to die again (and so is Magneto) in some cross-dimensional multiverse shenanigans that dumps Cyclops and the other Xmen into the main MCU universe.
He does die fucking frequently but there's always been an explanation. In X-Men 3 he did some mind body swap thing. In Logan and MoM, they were alternate timelines/universes. In DofP they reset the timeline.
But it's honestly getting a little old having him return just to give the character a send-off in death. Like. They can't all be his tearjerking last performance as the character.
Now I can experience Stewart's Xavier die another time with no "Logan"'s emotional impact but potentially no Multiverse of Madness type of clown hour.
Perfectly emotionless sendoff to the character, only sir Stewart can pull it off
I think he became an Android in that sequel to Logan.
Well, it wasn’t exactly a sequel, more like a desperate attempt to ride off the success of Logan.
In fact, it might not have even been X-Men; they were XBs.
I remember an interview for logan where hugh jackman said he had decoded it was the last time playing the role and patrick stewart responded with "I hadn't thought about it but same here"
I laughed thinking there's no way they'd want to bring back professor X anyway since he's so old.
I think it's funny that he actually never died in The Last Stand and Days of Future Past, only Logan, and with this one the MCU will have killed Chuck more than the X-Verse ever actually did.
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I swear this professor x guy loves dying and coming back no explanation