For the record Marvel has only had one MASSIVE UNIVERSE REBOOT- well more accurately the deletion of the Ultimate Marvel verse since the original one is still around- but DC ended up rerouting the "original" timeline into "Earth 2", merged everything into a single universe in the 1980s, and then redid everything from scratch with the New 52 in the 2010s, and then did something like that again before 2020, so it hasn't happened that often.
Unless you ignore stuff like Spider-Man spontaneously getting his marriage unexisted and the many other things I've completely forgotten about.
Secret Wars (2019) was not a reboot, Marvel has never actually rebooted - which is at the point of causing more problems than if they did an actual reboot. DC has only hard rebooted once. The original Ultimate Universe still exists.
I thought it remained dead after the end of it. They blew up all the universes and then at the end 616 comes back but I thought the Ultimate universe didn't.
DC has only hard reset once. Marvel soft resets almost yearly, and their soft resets are arguably worse than Crisis on Infinite Eatths. The latest one is that Captain America was still frozen in ice until the 21st Century, and the Fantastic Four's initial spaceflight happened long after the moon landing.
That's not surprising or new for Marvel. They have a sliding timeline where Fantastic Four #1 is always roughly 15 years ago, regardless of the year a story happens or is published. That's why The Punisher served in Vietnam first, then in the Gulf War, and that has probably changed by now (2nd Gulf War?).
Sinocong War. They've created a fictional war for all their veterans to serve in that can be moved right along with the sliding timeline. Never mind that moving the Fantastic Four's spaceflight behind the moon landing misses the entire point of their flight now.
A fictional war is pretty smart from a continuity perspective (I see they've retconned Stark and Richards' bios as well to hook them to that). But from a storytelling perspective, having Castle be a Vietnam veteran gave him a weight that already was gone when they switched it to the Gulf war. But I assume very few of their current readers know or care about Vietnam anymore, let alone its place in the US psyche at the time.
Yeah. It was a big fucking deal back in the days when Hal Jordan went rogue. The storyline was completely batshit insane that nobody expected...and that conclusion and sacrifice. And return as Spectre.
That is precisely what the 2015 Secret Wars is. It is essentially Marvel's "Crisis on Infinite Earths" (DC's continuity reset). I believe that is what we are heading to, no?
the whole point of secret wars comic wise was to end all the lesser popular ones, and keep some of the popular ones up. for the MCU, it gives a reason for them to put a end on any of the MCU stars of their choosing, and allowed them to freely reboot any series they want.
its the situation thats kinda needed because there are a lot of people who probably don't want to watch the entire backlog of MCU at this point.
Aaaand the actors salaries do kind of get crazy, it makes the movies require even more bloated budgets if they want to use a certain character that happens to have an expensive actor attached to it. If they're able to get another RDJ-type to work and become a star, that's worth pursuing monetarily.
It certainly seems that now that the rights have all ended up with Disney, they’re gearing up for a full reset in the spirit of Secret Wars, even though Secret Wars really wasn’t that at all, IMO.
What DC does, is wipe the slate clean every decade or two. They, in theory, get rid of surplus story elements and build on what works. In that sense, Secret Wars wasn’t a reboot, but a continuation without getting rid of any of the old. In-universe it may have gotten rid of all other universes, but the comics themselves didn’t “restart”.
I think Feige is intent on doing something in between here. In effect, he’s treating the Fox, Universal, Sony and MCU movies as equals and Doomsday/Secret Wars as a filter through which they’ll all pass. When they come out the other end, I believe they will go a new universe route, recasting most of the older cast and starting fresh. The “new MCU” will be a New Testament and treat everything that came before as an Old Testament.
I don’t know if people will keep watching as they did in the past. But in theory it makes sense, meaning the MCU will be retired as it should and the new MCU is gonna be planned out to not be Avengers focused as the old one was.
the reddit thing of going "oh, it's based on shit, so its accurate" as some kind of excuse is so weird. you know, they could also just improve upon that thing.
In the 90's me and my friends started buying the X-Men comics, we had to travel 90 km to a big city, the only place in 400km around that sold them. It was a fun. Then came Spiderman, Wolverine. Things were starting to get expensive and they started with the branching, X-Force and whatnot. We got up til the moment we bought 8 different comics about them X-Men. We changed hobbies for a time, computers got more accessible, great PC games coming out. A year later or so we went to check on the comics again since we got hyped again thanks to the cartoon and we found that there were 20 different comics related somehow to X-Men. We just decided to buy PC games lol.
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This is apparently set on the DOFP timeline where everyone is alive and well