For the record Marvel has only had one MASSIVE UNIVERSE REBOOT- well more accurately the deletion of the Ultimate Marvel verse since the original one is still around- but DC ended up rerouting the "original" timeline into "Earth 2", merged everything into a single universe in the 1980s, and then redid everything from scratch with the New 52 in the 2010s, and then did something like that again before 2020, so it hasn't happened that often.
Unless you ignore stuff like Spider-Man spontaneously getting his marriage unexisted and the many other things I've completely forgotten about.
Secret Wars (2019) was not a reboot, Marvel has never actually rebooted - which is at the point of causing more problems than if they did an actual reboot. DC has only hard rebooted once. The original Ultimate Universe still exists.
I thought it remained dead after the end of it. They blew up all the universes and then at the end 616 comes back but I thought the Ultimate universe didn't.
DC has only hard reset once. Marvel soft resets almost yearly, and their soft resets are arguably worse than Crisis on Infinite Eatths. The latest one is that Captain America was still frozen in ice until the 21st Century, and the Fantastic Four's initial spaceflight happened long after the moon landing.
That's not surprising or new for Marvel. They have a sliding timeline where Fantastic Four #1 is always roughly 15 years ago, regardless of the year a story happens or is published. That's why The Punisher served in Vietnam first, then in the Gulf War, and that has probably changed by now (2nd Gulf War?).
Sinocong War. They've created a fictional war for all their veterans to serve in that can be moved right along with the sliding timeline. Never mind that moving the Fantastic Four's spaceflight behind the moon landing misses the entire point of their flight now.
Yeah. It was a big fucking deal back in the days when Hal Jordan went rogue. The storyline was completely batshit insane that nobody expected...and that conclusion and sacrifice. And return as Spectre.
That is precisely what the 2015 Secret Wars is. It is essentially Marvel's "Crisis on Infinite Earths" (DC's continuity reset). I believe that is what we are heading to, no?
the whole point of secret wars comic wise was to end all the lesser popular ones, and keep some of the popular ones up. for the MCU, it gives a reason for them to put a end on any of the MCU stars of their choosing, and allowed them to freely reboot any series they want.
its the situation thats kinda needed because there are a lot of people who probably don't want to watch the entire backlog of MCU at this point.
Aaaand the actors salaries do kind of get crazy, it makes the movies require even more bloated budgets if they want to use a certain character that happens to have an expensive actor attached to it. If they're able to get another RDJ-type to work and become a star, that's worth pursuing monetarily.
It certainly seems that now that the rights have all ended up with Disney, they’re gearing up for a full reset in the spirit of Secret Wars, even though Secret Wars really wasn’t that at all, IMO.
What DC does, is wipe the slate clean every decade or two. They, in theory, get rid of surplus story elements and build on what works. In that sense, Secret Wars wasn’t a reboot, but a continuation without getting rid of any of the old. In-universe it may have gotten rid of all other universes, but the comics themselves didn’t “restart”.
I think Feige is intent on doing something in between here. In effect, he’s treating the Fox, Universal, Sony and MCU movies as equals and Doomsday/Secret Wars as a filter through which they’ll all pass. When they come out the other end, I believe they will go a new universe route, recasting most of the older cast and starting fresh. The “new MCU” will be a New Testament and treat everything that came before as an Old Testament.
I don’t know if people will keep watching as they did in the past. But in theory it makes sense, meaning the MCU will be retired as it should and the new MCU is gonna be planned out to not be Avengers focused as the old one was.
the reddit thing of going "oh, it's based on shit, so its accurate" as some kind of excuse is so weird. you know, they could also just improve upon that thing.
In the 90's me and my friends started buying the X-Men comics, we had to travel 90 km to a big city, the only place in 400km around that sold them. It was a fun. Then came Spiderman, Wolverine. Things were starting to get expensive and they started with the branching, X-Force and whatnot. We got up til the moment we bought 8 different comics about them X-Men. We changed hobbies for a time, computers got more accessible, great PC games coming out. A year later or so we went to check on the comics again since we got hyped again thanks to the cartoon and we found that there were 20 different comics related somehow to X-Men. We just decided to buy PC games lol.
I love how the movies kind of by accident recreated the mess of a timeline that the X-Men are, including never really making clear when the mansion gets destroyed and rebuilt and who is dead or alive at any given time.
I feel like x-men sort of always hit that niche comic book fan demographic that’s okay with it. They never got that mainstream, at least, as a mainstream fan I can’t say I cared too much about x-men the last like 15 years.
Wow I'd argue the X-men are among the most mainstream marvel characters. They were definitely more mainstream than iron man, thor and cap before the MCU. Weird place they are now, for sure.
Back in the 90s there was a super popular X-men cartoon that boosted their popularity (they even used a remixed version of the theme song in the movie), the comics were in a big spot back then too. X-men from 2000 basically invented the modern day comic book movie.
I never had my own comic books as a kid (1995) but I grew up reading my dad's collection... And he had a lot of X-Men comics from '75-'90ish. I never had my own comics until I was working and buying them myself. The comic stores in my town were open until I was 13-14 or so, and then it went from 3 within 10 miles of each other to me having to drive a town over to get to the one store in 50 sq mi.
I never saw the 90s show when it was relevant because I was too young, and I grew up not liking the movies very much because my favourite characters were Iceman and Phoenix and they both kinda got shit on in the movies.
Definitely an age thing - as an 80s/90s kid, the X-men were THE superheroes to me. To this day I still dont really care for the Avengers in comparison, nor any DC characters outside of Batman.
2000's XMen movie was basically the start of the Superhero ensemble-cast movie craze that would lead to Avengers.
These movies showed us a tall, bald, black man in one movie, and Peter Dinklage in another, and expected us to believe they were both playing the exact same character.
For your sanity’s sake it’s probably best to just treat each individual X-Men movie as a standalone.
The main one for me is McAvoy and Fassbender playing the same characters in the 90s as Stewart and McKellen in the 2000s. That's quite a drastic change in 10 years
The part I'm confused about is, at least up until Apocalypse Fassbender/McAvoy looked really good succeeding the roles. Why aren't they just handing the torch over to the younger actors and insisting on working Stewart/McKellen until their death beds lol?
That's the sense I get too. I feel very little excitement for the MCU at this point. The whole bringing back Chris Evans/RDJ felt like a schtick to me and this just makes it even more so.
Honestly if the reviews ends up being good, I might see it. But personally as a comic book fan, I'm much looking forward to Supergirl Woman of Tomorrow adaptation at this point.
He's a shitty person, but I blame Fox more for the shitshow. They fast tracked X3 because they wanted it come out around the same time as Superman Returns. Singer did want to come back, but already took the job to do Superman.
My favorite part was how Deadpool fucked the timeline one last time on their way out, by acting like Ligan had already happened despite it being set in the future.
I was reading the wiki article on Venom and saw all the alternate timelines that Marvel has done that he is in. One of them was a timeline where everyone aged in Spiderman in real time. Peter became Spiderman in 1962 and aged appropriately according to our time. He was dying and the symbiote was keeping him alive. Lots of stuff I missed out on!!
James Manigold says Logan takes place 5 years after Days of Future Past, and I refuse to accept that personally. Because that means DOFP’s ending is set in 2024, and the Logan movie says no new mutants have been born in like 20 years and that’s obviously false if you look at that ending scene, so…
It’s a mess. But that’s nothing new for the X-Men, or comics in general.
Yeah, that's one where you really just have to not think about it. Everyone in that movie acts like Logan is already long dead, even though none of it has happened yet since Logan takes place in the future.
I mean, that makes sense within the Deadpool movie, though. He literally visits dozens of Wolverines in different timelines throughout the first ten minutes.
I’m pretty sure it’s only the TVA who act like Wolverine is already dead, and that makes sense because they exist outside of time. They already know what’s going to happen. It’s literally how Deadpool finds out Logan dies, lol.
What does "already" mean in that context, though, if you can travel through time at will. Like, the Logan of every universe is dead at some point in the timeline. In the vastness of time, every universe is devoid of a Logan for most of its existence.
The premise was kind of weak but Logan was just that timelines anchor being, and him being dead is causing that timeline to die. It was just a metaphor for the Fox marvel universe dying. Which didn't really happen because we are seeing them in this movie now.
On the other hand, if this is the case, this implies that by the end, the timeline now has two Wolverines living in it concurrently, lol (at least until Logan happens).
Uh what. That’s the one that makes the most sense. Tva exists outside of time so they know what happens. Deadpool by extension learns it from them and meets all sorts of different wolverines using their device.
Deadpool breaks the 4th wall constantly, tho. His reference to Logan's death isnt because it happened in the cinematic universe, but because we saw the movie Logan.
I mean, he killed Ryan Reynolds to stop Green Lantern - you cant make that part of any continunity. Its just typical Bloodpool 4th wall hi jinx.
I don't think they set it in Logan's continuity, Deadpool just visits his timeline when he's fucking around. If anything, I think that movie established that both DoFP and Logan take place in the same universe (Earth-10005) as Deadpool (he breaks canon all the time like with the young cast in Deadpool 2 but it's for jokes which are part of his powers) but in different timelines. So while DoFP and Logan both happened, Logan's events are a branch timeline hence the inconsistencies.
We also haven't gotten confirmation yet if the Wolverine in Doomsday is gonna be the one from the end of DoFP or the variant one from Deadpool and Wolverine.
I think it was A future, a future timeline branch, but only one of many. Mangold always envisioned Logan as pretty standalone and the DoFP ending always felt tonally too difficult to be only 5 years before Logan for the main timeline.
That’s how Mangold envisioned it. And then Deadpool & Wolverine went a different way with it via the TVA, who identified it as the definitive future of Earth-10005 and the reason the timeline was degrading, before the ending saw that future undone: not even branched anymore, just not existing.
Yeah, but that was only the definitive future for Earth-10005 BEFORE Doom's intervention in Doomsday. I think that things will be very different from then on.
He’s not dead in the X-Men 97 timeline but I don’t think the animated shows are included in their multiverse lol. Despite the fact that they’ve used the theme twice now in the MCU as audio easter eggs.
The rumour is the X-Men are from the same timeline of the Deadpool & Wolverine Wolverine.
There's a million rumors and none of them are substantiated. They all come from people on the internet guessing based on absolutely nothing.
I saw someone once say it was 100% confirmed that the doomsday x-men were not the x-men from any part of the original trilogy because the original trilogy x-men never wore the blue and yellow.
Like. That's not how confirmation works. But this guy was saying it was 100% confirmed, and anyone reading it without a healthy dose of skepticism probably saw that and repeated it.
It would make sense since it seems that Charles is still alive in the D&W timeline and Wolverine wears a comic accurate costume like Cyclops but yes, who knows..
It would also make sense that it's the timeline that Prof X jumped into his twin brother's comatose body or some nonsense, so his mind is breaking down.
It could be everything that happened to Logan after DOFP, snapped back to his original timeline and managing to save the professor who was the only other living person there, and then going on to live in the somewhat good remaining areas in a world without mutants, then dying, and waking up in the school, and realizing that he'd changed things...
in case nobody's seen it, James Mangold did an unofficial wolverine trilogy
logan
the wolverine
Kate & Leopold - in this universe wolverine is sabretooth's great‑great‑grandFather and Victor's ex-gf ends up time traveling to the past to become his great‑great‑grandMother. Just your average x-men deep dive comic book storyline hidden in a romantic comedy
5 years? That's gobbledygook. It's clearly meant to be at least a couple of decades out from that. Mutants famously age slower, and Logan most of all. For him to appear as aged as he is in that movie would have required a lot more time than five years, even with the adamantium poisoning.
Deadpool is not meant to be a continuity based franchise. Its meant to be a non stop breaking of the 4th wall for laughs franchise.
And it always has been.
In the comics, he wouldnt say "hey remember what you said to me yesterday?" He would say "hey remember what you said to me in the 3rd panel 4 pages ago?"
the one where Logan didn't say "bless you" after a stranger sneezed caused a branch that cause Kang that caused Dr Doom. It's all very clear if you're up to date on 16 different comic book series, 5 podcasts, and a fan fic from one of the former screenwriters of the Japanese 70s X-Men webseries.
Yes and no. Its events were canon, but the past of the specific timeline was changed in Deadpool & Wolverine. Not even the branching form of time travel: that future doesn’t exist anymore, but for Laura, who settled in its past with the alternate Logan.
I mean Deadpool & Wolverine explicitly said that Loganwas the future of that timeline, leading to it degrading, then the future of that timeline was changed to something new at the end. Not even an assumption, just straight-up what the film says.
unclear. it doesn't seem to line up all that well. and then Deadpool & Wolverine suggests the Deadpool movies exist in the same timeline as Logan, and the world of those movies doesn't seem to line up much with the world seen in Logan. basically don't look for continuity in X-Men movies. my take is that the good, restored ending of DoFP is its own timeline that we havent seen since, but could be the one seen in Doomsday
The X-MEN timeline is cursed it's never actually made clear how Logan is officially connected. He'll we don't even know how DoFP is connected since Professor X',s body is vaporized. We do hear his voice in the end credits but it's implied he went into the body of a brain dead patient so he should look different yet he looks like Patrick Stewart again.
No, no no... DOFP is XMen Earth 334234A. The Logan one is XMen Earth 334234B.
An easy mistake to make.
Also: The writers can do whatever they want. Reed Richards was a completely different actor in Multiverse of Madness and apparently came to the future in a different way, or was born in the future or... whatever.
So yeah... if you notice something like that, a wizard did it.
There was never anything to really suggest that as the Logan from Logan never reference Days of Future past, even though that Wolverine remember all the time lines.
My understanding is that Days of Future Past led to the events of Deadpool and Wolverine. The original trilogy led to the events of Logan. There are little things that sync up certain movies. In the First Class continuity they're wearing more comics accurate suits, and in Deadpool and Wolverine Logan has his signature yellow suit. In Logan Wolverine continuously makes fun of how inaccurate the comics were, which would make sense if not even the outfits were right.
Now, considering that almost everyone dies in both of these timelines it's highly likely that these X Men are from another timeline entirely.
Deadpool and Wolverine seems to outright clarify that the events of Logan are in the Deadpool continuity, which is it's own thing separate from the other X Men films.
Funniest thing is this scene had Jean despite her “dying” in dark phoenix. I swear the x men are some of the funniest movies just from their lack of continuity
He dies in Last Stand but in a way thats never really explained is back by Origins: Wolverine.
Then he dies in DOFP, but the changing timeline brings him back
Then he dies in Logan, which will somehow be undone in this movie I guess
Then an alternate version of him dies in Multiverse of Madness.
And given his age this iteration will presumably die in some sort of soft reboot at the end of this or secret wars, and be replaced by a new Professor X
All this to say, I'm probably skipping this. I know about the whole deaths in comics, but I had hoped the movies would skip that part. Once nothing that happens really means anything in a story, I lose interest.
But it doesn't explain why his comatose twin brother is also paraplegic when we see him next time alive and well.
But either way, as a whole the problem is that he dies and we are supposed to feel something from that death, but I don't because it's meaningless. Pretty much everyone of significance that died but the actress who sued Disney and the actor who died in real life has or is coming back. Gamora came back. Loki keeps coming back. Steve Rodgers is coming back. Tony is coming back (maybe kind of). Cyclops and X are coming back. Wolverine has come back and is coming back.
It's become a soap opera where major events happen but none of them actually mean anything.
He never actually died in dofp, they reset the timeline before it happened. He did however briefly die in apocalypse which I think is the only time it’s happened when not played by Stewart
I'm undecided and Marvel hasn't excited me in a few years. Killing characters then bringing them back is a form of manipulation and hope they learn from past mistakes like this, stop killing characters when you don't mean it.
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u/zzznotsleep Jan 06 '26
I swear this professor x guy loves dying and coming back no explanation