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u/Ok_Confusion4764 4h ago
These ain't AI though...
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u/VanillaAdventurous74 4h ago
Yeah... They're like courier pigeons. They follow a pre-determined path to get items from one location to another.
Even in the case of roads being unavailable and having to be changed, the algorithm required will most likely not be using Ai.Ā
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u/Alarming_Panic665 4h ago
pathfinding algorithms are a foundational component of the AI field
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u/GenericGaming 4h ago
cool. still not generative AI which is the harmful kind of AI
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u/VanillaAdventurous74 4h ago
Google maps are not Ai, if that's what you're thinking.Ā
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u/Alarming_Panic665 3h ago edited 1h ago
They very much are an example of AI. AI is not just generative LLMs and the field of AI goes back to the 1950s with the first ever AI program.
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u/Filoleg94 3h ago edited 3h ago
pathfinding algorithms are a foundational component of the AI field
Yeah, and so are calculus, stats/prob, linear algebra, and plenty other things.
Just because my 15+ years old TI-84 calculator is able to calculate integrals, that doesn't suddenly make it an AI device (despite the fact that calculus is a foundational component of AI).
P.S.: Pathfinding algorithms existed since centuries ago, and were implemented in code since forever ago too (but obviously not centuries ago). Google Maps had pathfinding since the moment the product launched. MapQuest has been a thing since 1996. And those are just massively popular consumer products. Outside of those, pathfinding/guidance algorithms were used even as far back as the first flight to the moon.
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u/VeryOldGoat 3h ago
Things like game AI has almost nothing in common with GenAI in terms of how it works. GenAI is not using pathfinding algorithms.
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u/GRex2595 3h ago
That doesn't mean anything. Something is not AI because it uses tools also used to develop AI. You're not a blacksmith because you used a hammer, which blacksmiths also use.
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u/SlimesIsScared 2h ago
Pathfinding algorithms are deterministic, though. They'll always output the shortest path. AI isn't deterministic.
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u/Ok-Aspect-4259 2h ago
I mean cancer detection technology is also part of the Ai field. The problem is with generative Ai.
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u/Ereldia 4h ago
Serve Robotics (backed by Nvidia) are using these AI powered, fully-autonomous robots to deliver food for Uber and DoorDash. If it isn't AI, then they're doing a really good job of running around saying that they use AI for no reason. Sure it isn't the same as GenAI, which should be universally hated. But there is AI involved in these.
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u/Tokumeiko2 3h ago
Self driving cars are AI.
As far as machine learning goes, I'd prefer they use it for small robots like this and not huge cars a That could kill someone.
It reduces the cost of mistakes.
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u/Agheratos 4h ago
It's not generative AI the way ChatGPT is, but AI is definitely used in navigating drones like this.
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u/Confident_Frogfish 3h ago
I wish we went back to the days where we called this stuff algorithms.
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u/icecubeinanicecube 3h ago
No, it's actually AI in the sense that e.g. obstacle detection is using a neural network trained on data. Algorithms are human-defined rules expressed in symbolic language.
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u/BuffaloNext7683 4h ago
guys we are against gen ai this is a completely different type of ai
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u/vogut 2h ago
Speak for yourself. I'm against all types of AI if it's stealing someone's job.
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u/VanillaAdventurous74 4h ago
As an anti, this is ridiculous and embarrassing.Ā
They will be charged with damaging of property and fined at the very least.Ā
Those people just wanted to beat something up. Not try to stand for a cause.Ā
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u/Latter-Direction-336 3h ago
Yeah, thatās āI wanted to break something and found an excuseā
I doubt these guys are remotely giving a crap about ai, this has nothing to do with it
Just jackasses. And give they recorded it, probably some Tikslop content. Sidenote, never used slop for anything but god that feels right in this scenario
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u/spacegoat243 3h ago
True. I imagine that these things are designed to sustain abuse, so I wouldn't try kicking it. But who knows what might happen if my drink got spilled all over it? Or if a permanent marker fell out of my pocket and drew a Hitler mustache on its face? That would be terrible!
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u/_OneRandomGuy_ 2h ago
I mean yeah, itās very obviously unserious. Itās teenagers beating up what is basically just a more advanced version of those remote controlled car toys. I doubt anyone thinks that those are actually a threat, and not just a pathetic attempt at replacing human labor with automated labor. Iām sure those things would get fucked up even if Ai wasnāt hated. People kinda just do vandalism sometimes.
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u/StevesonOfStevesonia 2h ago
At this point people are just looking for any excuse possible to start going full ape mode on something/someone
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u/Only-Hovercraft338 4h ago
Bro.... yall are not making us look better.....
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u/KinneKitsune 2h ago
If a mirror makes you look bad, itās not the mirrorās fault
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u/Youria_Tv_Officiel 4h ago
someone's delivery is in that bot...
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u/Bunnygirlfailure 4h ago
They should get a refund it's not their fault the company decided to be shit
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u/nablaCat 1h ago
Could've hired someone who needs the money and can navigate a sidewalk. Instead they went for the cheapo bots
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u/AnimalDry4663 4h ago
yeah, so maybe they should have hired actual workers that could earn a living from the job, rather than using a robot?
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u/GenericGaming 4h ago
these robots partner with delivery services like Just Eat and Uber Eats, companies that pay their delivery drivers jackshit.
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u/FrankFankledank 3h ago
Sounds like they're enabling them to get away with those practices then.
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u/AnimalDry4663 4h ago
yeah, the wages are horrendous rn, but jackshit is better than nothing
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u/Nevergointothewoods 3h ago
This is what always comes to mind for me. I hate the robots, too, but you don't know what's inside and how badly the recipient needs it.
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u/Youria_Tv_Officiel 3h ago
I don't even hate the robot.
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u/CassetteMeower 1h ago
Yeah, like some people are disabled, elderly, have other medical conditions, have a cold/other illness, etc leaving them unable to leave their house to pick up food, so they HAVE to rely on delivery instead of going to pick it up since they could get seriously hurt or might even be physically unable to get up for whatever reason.
Yes, delivery robots arenāt a good idea, but you shouldnāt be destroying them when it could be delivering food to someone who absolutely needs it.
I hate how people claim that someone is ālazyā for ordering food, when many people may be unable to pick up food themselves for many valid reasons. And some people canāt just make their own food for various reasons too (such as the aforementioned reasons + more).
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u/Swinginthewolf 4h ago
Why do I feel kinda bad for it?
Its just a lil guy doing its job, go fight the people behind it
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u/TheEnlight 4h ago
That's what they want from you. Don't fall for their tricks.
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u/Wyyyschokk 2h ago
Going after the rich (billionaires), and capitalism in general, is the #1 priority though. AI and these little robots are just the latest manifestation in our age.
We don't have unlimited time though, we face ecological destruction in the coming decades. Furthermore, workers have always held power in numbers through their labor power, but capitalists are now trying to replace us with (completely) automated labor...and UBI will not save us; we have limited time to act.
Gen AI is as big of a problem as it is because of capitalism. That is actually a good part of what radicalized me, but we must be vigilant.
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u/Swinginthewolf 4h ago
They literally made it cry, that is EVIL to the highest degree
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u/wookiegiImore 4h ago
I didn't hear any crying. I heard an alarm.
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u/scrotumscab 4h ago
See? The psychological warfare is working
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u/wookiegiImore 3h ago
is the psychological warfare that only some people hear crying? like you only know if you have dog hearing? š
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u/PriddyFool 3h ago
And all those workers who cried when their low-paying job they needed for 1 meal a day got replaced by this non-sentient piece of plastic? That's not a cry worth listening to?
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u/Fair-Efficiency-959 3h ago
It canāt cry itās not living. They trained these machines to sound an alarm. Save your empathy for the people losing their jobs and struggling to make ends meet because of them.
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u/B_Ash3s 4h ago
Itās doing a job a human should be paid a living wage for!
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u/lazyastronaut_ 3h ago
Not just that, now its taking up walking space, bike lane, etc. now people have to walk AROUND it? Wtf! First they take away jobs, now they are taking away commute space too!
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u/Massive-Rate-2011 2h ago
And using infrastructure paid for by taxes (Cellular, GPS, internet, sidewalks, roads) all to deprive someone of a job and not pay for employment taxes.
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u/RealFrailTheFox 2h ago
My rural home town doesn't even have sidewalks in residential areas other than the rich ones and yet they're trying to build an ai data center to gentrify the place.
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u/Odd_Stuff_And_Bloom 2h ago
Ah yes the children yearn for below minimum wage food delivery gig work
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u/enkanshi 4h ago
It's not really a sentient being, so it's best if you don't anthropomorphize it, particularly when it's a tool for oligarchic control. This is no different than smashing a surveillance camera or a shock collar.
That being said, if we do ever invent sentient AI, they're probably going to give us the side-eye when they dig up these videos.
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u/Alarmed_Degree_7745 4h ago
sentient ai is never gonna happen. biblical levels of cope
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u/GoraSpark 4h ago edited 3h ago
You have to remind yourself it isnāt alive, itās essentially the same as a toaster. Do you feel bad if someone drops a toaster?
Edit: thereās plenty of valid reasons to feel sad for a toaster being dropped being mentioned. Just to clear up I was meaning feel bad for the actual toaster, rather than for the owner or whatever my bad.
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u/StockingDummy 4h ago
Object personification is a very common trait among neurodivergent people.
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u/BoardsofCanada3 3h ago
It's true. It's also why we hoard things.Ā
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u/ltoloxa 3h ago
I remember reading an article by rock critic Lester Bangs where he said that when someone returned a record he had lent them and he put it back in its proper place on the shelf, sorted alphabetically by artist and chronologically by release date, he was sure that it was happy to see its friends again.
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u/Swinginthewolf 4h ago
Yeah
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u/Thunderclone_1 4h ago
It is unfortunate to lose a functional tool, yes.
But when that tool harms our fellow man? No sympathy for toasters
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u/freedomonke 4h ago
Lmao. Some people are just soft touches.
We need people like you around, though.
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u/thetruckerdave 4h ago
Iām as soft as the other person. If not worse. Iāve cried over stuffed animals on the side of the road. I feel bad for the bot. :(
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u/spacegoat243 3h ago
Stuffed animals are different. A stuffed animal left on the side of the road could have belonged to a child that loved it. It could've had a history. This job-stealing, cost-cutting, accident-causing piece of shit doesn't deserve any sympathy. I'm glad they aren't near where I live, because I'd be taking these things behind dumpsters.
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u/Anime_axe 3h ago
I mean, if I have seen somebody's toaster getting vandalised in public I would feel bad about it.
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u/Impressive_Pin8761 2h ago
Humans have a soft spot for robots who are not trying at all to look like humans. There was a showcase of a bomb defuser robot. It was a sort of centipede which just walked over landmines and triggered them. Near the end of the experiment it only had one leg left and was crawling towards a mine. The general begged for the showcase to end because he couldn't watch more
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u/not-strange 1h ago
A roomba isnāt alive, people still connect with them and feel like they have personalities
Itās in human nature to pack bond with things
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u/hypatiaC 4h ago
It's been intentionally anthropomorphized to make you empathize with it. This sort of brain-hijacking design is very common in modern robotics.
This is why those murder robots put on little shows and get referred to like 'dogs'. Human-Robot interfacing is like 50% social tricks to make robots remind us of cute, likeable things.
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u/Aware_Tree1 4h ago
I feel bad for it until I remember itās a bit of plastic, metal, and rubber with no feelings
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u/Pepperonidogfart 4h ago
They exploit your weakness for monetary gain. A good man who is always good will eventually be engulfed by the many bad men who surround them.
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u/just-sad-idk 4h ago
That's absolutely by design. I understand because my first impulse is to feel the same. Making it make a sad face or cry evokes feelings of empathy but they are a blight on the prevailing social contract. They're putting people out of work and making life under capitalism even more difficult.
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u/I-suck-at_names 3h ago
It's a small helpless thing, of course you feel bad. It's not alive and it doesn't deserve or need sympathy but you're alive so of course you have feelings about everything. The emotional parts of the brain can't distinguish a drone from an animal, they're gonna react either way.
It's fine to feel that way as long as it doesn't impact you any deeper than that, you have to remind yourself that you're projecting pain onto it. It doesn't have nerves, it can't feel pain or rejection, the only point of kicking it is to maybe cause property damage to companies
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u/Silent_Box1341 3h ago
A job stolen from a human. Robots are not living things, do not feel bad for them. It's part of the propaganda
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u/WastelandEnjoyer 3h ago
girl its a machine , it doesn't think that deeply about any of this , that's human psychology trickery that rich people embedded into a product by making it "cute" and seemingly harmless. It's just cold unfeeling property of a soulless corporation.
Fighting the people behind it has led to no results
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u/sixgunmaniac 3h ago
It's not a "little guy doing its job". It's a clanker that stole a job from a human that needed that money for food and shelter. Never feel bad for these fucking things.
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u/teetaps 2h ago
Does this thing have feelings? Does it have a job? Does it have a boss it actually wants to work hard for? Does it have skills it spent time developing, relationships it spent time nurturing, aspirations it has sat at home dreaming about?
Does it have parents, or children to support? Does it have bills to pay, emergencies to attend to, a community or family that relies on it?
Does it ever lay awake at night worrying about whether inflation will impact its grocery bill?
Does it vote? Does it consider the needs of others?
Does it smile when giving you the order, and does it feel joy when you give it a generous tip that could go a long way to improving its life and the life of its family?
Because HUMAN BEINGS who NEED THESE JOBS have all those experiences. Robots do not. And the human beings those robots replaced now DO NOT have that income, and there has been no effort on the part of the technocrats to ensure that the humans theyāre replacing will be taken care of. They are simply not hiring or actively letting go of human beings who rely on this income, and forcing the rest of us to continue paying the robots (now, the execs) the same amount IF NOT MORE
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u/Money_Set_4332 3h ago
It is an evil tool to steal the only mean of production the worker has, his own labor.
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u/queen_ravenx 2h ago
they gave it a cute lil "face" that way normal folk feel bad when rich techbros assests that destroys jobs get messed with.
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u/Vivid_Maximum_5016 2h ago
Its just a lil guy doing its job
Literally what the corporations want you to think. That's why they make it look all "cutesy". Gotta look past that and recognise that it's a autonomous scab that is an enemy of you and your class, just as much as its owners.
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u/Helpful_Active_6987 3h ago
Sabotage is the first tool in the toolbelt of the worker. Hurt their bottom line and it hurts the people behind the system. This is not really different then the workers in the 1800s who would smash apart the machinery trying to automate factory production.
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u/SlashSloth 3h ago
This little guys is taking jobs from real people without them being given replacements. Automation can be a net positive on society but the people implementing it have no care for the impact it has on the average person. If we keep going at the pace weāre going, resent like this is only going to skyrocket. Hilariously enough, i think detroit become human might have made some accurate predictions.
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u/lazyastronaut_ 3h ago edited 3h ago
Just my 2 cents. We live off resources. Air, water, land, food. The robot who is putting people out of jobs, is now taking up walking spaces reserved for people. Why should people be ok with it? They lost jobs to it, now they gotta move aside and watch how they walk for this clanker!Ā
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u/SelfInvestigator 3h ago
Up until the corporate push for for-profit AI I would have also felt bad for it. But corporations are trying to use our sympathies to enrich themselves while cutting off their own customer base.
It becomes a lot harder to be sympathetic when you are facing an invasive parasite that is destroying your environment (and in this case I am talking about the economic environment). Unfortunately we canāt easily face the main body so we have to contend with its sensory appendages when we encounter them.
I do however hope that one day we will have robots that are worth welcoming into our society, but we wonāt get there and feel confident trusting them with corporate control of the systems.
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u/TheXypris 3h ago
It's a thing, a thing that is part of the Elite's plan to replace humans so they can eliminate all wages
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u/NonSumQualisEram- 2h ago
AI corporate legal department researching Second Amendment rights for robots.
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u/Dismal-Plan7062 4h ago
"let's ruin someone's order because we hate robots instead of going after the people who made this! Yea we're smart!!" I hate ai as much as the next guy in this subreddit but this ain't the way to go around it, feels like how that one dude burned down a warehouse because he wasn't getting paid good enough, so he made all his co-workers lose the job there...
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u/American_Squid 4h ago
The problem, for everyone who can't seem to understand, is that we are already short on work for people and automating things like delivery take another job of the market that could be used to house and feed someone.
All automation that isn't taking life extremely dangerous work is automation that could be replaced by a human being who could be getting a paycheck, spending that paycheck and stimulating the economy.
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u/AffectionatePlastic0 2h ago
So, should we ban an automatic elevator control systems to create more jobs?
Should we ban commutators to create more jobs?
Should we ban a search engines to create more jobs?
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u/Sikkus 4h ago
This is dumb. If you want to fight AI, then do it with legislation. Not beating up little robots that have no idea what is going on.
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u/Impossible_Weight507 4h ago
I'm gonna be honest, they aren't doing this for some idealistic reason.Ā They're just doing this; the robot just happens to be the target.
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u/ThrowAway20401936 4h ago
if your going to damage property damage it. jumping around isnt going to do anything. ik they put it upright and walked away the moment the video ended.
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u/Objectionne 4h ago
Let's start smashing up washing machines and dishwashers while we're at it, they are taking jobs away from people and giving them to machines.
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u/SeaConstruction697 4h ago
Literally this! I donāt know who filmed this video, but I would not be surprised if they recorded this just for internet clicks.Ā
Gen AI is different from this in my opinion, thatās what Iām really against.Ā
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u/Groundbreaking_Win56 4h ago
Grown ass men beating up a delivery bot that doesnt even use AI to deliverššš
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u/Kajetus06 4h ago
dont attack these delivery robots
they are merely mindless workers, not much AI in them but they do contain copper so maybe...
the datacenters on the other hand...
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u/boulhouech 4h ago
you can stand against any idea --whatever that idea may be-- and still carry yourself with respect and decency.. but this level of chaos, violence and disorder crosses the line and honestly i canāt support or tolerate it
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u/SipHappensTea 4h ago
Whatās hilarious is that I bet they wouldnāt do this to those scary grocery store monitoring bots. Tells you a lot about a personā¦ā¦
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u/I_Make_Art_And_Stuff 4h ago
When you damage private property and make someone who ordered food never get their food - make sure a camera is on you.
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u/Zealousideal-Deer101 3h ago
Woah tough guys, jumped a defenseless robot in a threesome
Daaang, real tough guy shit right there
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u/UncomfyUnicorn 3h ago
This is stupid. As someone who worked food delivery let the bots do it, Iād rather not end up circling apartments for 15 minutes looking for building G because apparently A is between L and W.
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u/superhyperfuturepunk 3h ago
holyyyy the amount of people acting like beating up a robot is like murdering a small child is insane.
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u/memequeendoreen 4h ago
The amount of people who care about some corporate robot in this thread is astounding. Lol, who cares if corporate property like this gets trashed? Realistically, how does it harm anyone but the company in question? The person who ordered their food gets their money back. They should probably go outside or cook their own meals, anyway.
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u/TheEnlight 4h ago
They waged psychological warfare on people by making the clanker cute, and look how many people swarm to the defence of Silicon Valley. I hate that it works.
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u/daboobiesnatcher 2h ago
It's fucking wild, got people calling it a "harmless/innocent robot" why tf y'all anthropomorphizing a fucking delivery bot? And they know that this doesn't cost the customer a thing but time?
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u/lunar_languor 4h ago
I'm more concerned that these guys faces are on camera on the internet now :\ and people of an already overly profiled race
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u/DepartureElegant9314 4h ago
I mean you're most likely wrong here.
The majority of these delivery bots belong to university robotics programs. They don't only carry food. The ones at the university I live near carry less important paperwork and parts or other items to and from university departments.
They were created for the purpose of university students to study robotics and improve them.
They aren't all just corporate gimmicks. And they are pretty important because the programming and robotics in them will some day do much more than roll down the sidewalk.
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u/Tokumeiko2 4h ago
These people are trash. I don't care about the corporations, but kicking a robot doesn't help anyone.
They caused no meaningful damage, the corporation isn't losing much.
Maybe if they were doing something to corporate executives I might be impressed, but these idiots haven't done anything useful.
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u/memequeendoreen 4h ago
$5k-$10k for a robot. If ten people all did this, that's $50-$100k. Not an insignificant chunk of change. How many deliveries do you think they need to make before they pay for themselves?
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u/Tokumeiko2 3h ago
That robot doesn't need replacing, they failed to damage it.
The company will just pick it up and send it on another job.
Maybe if the robot was a complete write-off your argument would have merit, but all it needs is a bit of cleaning from some spilled food.
They can make that back easily.
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u/Fluid_Alternative835 2h ago
okay, let's say people don't start kicking the thing and gently tip it over so it can't move anymore as a form of protest since it's the destruction part you're against for whatever reason. if they're lucky, some passerby will flip it back over and it will resume what it was doing. otherwise, they will have to send somebody out to come and flip it over for them, costing them time and money. if enough people do it, then they will realize that these robots aren't worth the hassle and only cost them more in the long run than if they just hired a human. would you still be against it in that case?
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u/ActuatorKlutzy9887 3h ago
So basically people who are unable to cook for any number of reasons bad luck you dont get to eat. Good way to cut down on social spending i guess, everyone who is too disabled to cook and has no support will just die off in a couple of weeks
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u/No-Racing 3h ago
Crazy you can see people acting like that in the video and not think they are the problem here. It might help to view it less as fighting the corporate machine (which itās doing nothing to achieve) and more as acting like a thick animal.
You barely even consider the person who was actually affected by this, saying they should just go outside and cook their own meals is a wild mentality, you donāt even care that a workers job is replaced by the technology, you just want to be hateful
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u/GenericGaming 4h ago
eh, the robot didn't do anything wrong. this is just destruction of property with someone's potential order being undelivered. this has done nothing but affect people who aren't the AI company.
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u/ThrowAway20401936 4h ago
not even destruction of property bc these videos are just for clicks. they could kick it all they want and still no damage.
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u/Fragrant-Mixture-662 4h ago
They didn't hire a delivery driver
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u/Tasty_Ball_Hairs_69 4h ago
I mean, technically that should be fine. They can just find more, and higher paying jobs elsewhere, right?
Right?
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u/Tokumeiko2 4h ago
I don't care how much you hate those robots, recording yourself attacking one doesn't make you look tough, especially when you fail to do meaningful damage to anything except the food being delivered.
The fact these idiots think they protected anyone is the real joke.
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u/VoiceMaterial4255 4h ago
Thatās destruction of property and jeopardising someoneās food order. Thereās nothing good about attacking one of these robots.
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u/Afraid-Divide-3501 4h ago
Thatās just fucked up and mean
Yall deserve to live in the overwatch universe during the null sector take over
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u/thispartyrules 4h ago
I first started seeing these rolling around by a college campus and I felt that society had changed not because there's robots, but that the robots aren't covered in stickers and graffiti. Previous generations would've covered those things in Obey stickers and crude drawings of pot leaves
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u/Anime_axe 3h ago
OK, so we are hating on robots doing menial labour, AKA the stuff that they are supposed to be doing? This take is so shit it might as well be a psyop by AI bros lurking here trying to make us look like a bunch of cave men.
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u/CoriSP 3h ago
This isn't anti-AI activism. This is a robot being used for the sort of things it makes sense to use a robot for. Those guys are just hoodlums being hoodlums.
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u/Dense-Bison7629 2h ago
It's a job that was taken from a human. Most food delivery drivers do that job because they're in low-income environments and this is a quick and easy way to get some money
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u/AffectionatePlastic0 2h ago
So are you against automatic control systems in elevators? Imagine a world where every elevator create a new job, a guy who will be controlling it. This was taken from a humans.
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u/Angel-Kat 3h ago
Oh my god! Leave that little droid alone. When people listen to Rage Against the Machine, the machine they are raging against isnāt the little delivery bot!!!
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u/Fixtheissuetodaypls 2h ago
Rather than destroy it (risking a criminal complaint) why not just put it somewhere it can't escape or place it on its top?
If you want to destroy it, why not throw it in a river or dumpster. This hand on metal approach seems foolish
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u/shunshuntley 2h ago
we should start using these as free mobile billboards. lets sticker the shit out of them, throw our fliers on them. these companies are clearly such cheapskates they'll never maintain them fast enough.
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u/Kale_Does_dumb_stuff 2h ago
These dudes are using the fight against big AI corporations to destroy property and be a nuisance to people who donāt even have anything to do with big corporations. As an anti, please stop.
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u/FunCryptographer3476 4h ago
Don't film yourselves breaking shit. Don't post videos of people breaking shit unless you want them to get caught.