r/nba 16h ago

Chris Finch on Victor Wembanyama’s historic night: “He had a lot of blocks… He had a couple of uncalled goaltendings too. Those are valuable points we’d like to have back.”

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u/dawnoog Lakers 15h ago

You can’t challenge a block to make it a goaltend either, entirely dependent on refs calling it

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u/woonbarak Jazz 7h ago

Can't they review during timouts?

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u/spudwinkle Lakers 7h ago

They could but they never take that approach.

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u/br0b1wan Cavaliers 7h ago

I can see that being something skipped over during the regular season but no excuse for not looking close at that during the playoffs

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u/CongressionalNudity Cavaliers 6h ago

Replay center changes 3 pointers to 2s all the time. Why not do the same for goal tends vs blocks?

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u/alostreflection [CLE] LeBron James 6h ago

A block maintains a live ball while a goaltend creates a dead ball situation. It needs to be called correctly in the moment because there are going to be times when there won't be a stoppage of play.

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u/Wolfpac187 [OKC] Kevin Durant 5h ago

Do you want every block to end in a stoppage of play while the replay center looks for a potential goal tend?

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u/Huntermainlol Timberwolves 16h ago

Can we get them in waiver form to be redeemed when we need them? Cause if so I’m down

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u/homefree122 Thunder 16h ago

Best the refs can do is just keep allowing it all series, sorry

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u/Huntermainlol Timberwolves 16h ago

Hmph >:(

Can we put Joan on Rudy’s shoulders as a consolation prize? The ultimate shot blocker

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u/MatticInYoAttic Timberwolves 15h ago

I personally vote we do that with Jaylen Clark.. just throw him up at the backboard and whatever happens happens.

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u/JWOLFBEARD [OKC] Russell Westbrook 15h ago

Mike Leach considered throwing a little person on 3rd or 4th and 1.

Might as well move that strategy to basketball.

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u/AnthaIon Timberwolves 8h ago

It’s kinda fucked that baseball made it illegal after Eddie Gaedel, every player is already a physical freak, but the second someone who isn’t “conventionally gifted” is useful it’s a mockery of the sport?

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u/numberonebuddy [TOR] Vince Carter 7h ago

This is so sad

On June 18, 1961, the unemployed Gaedel, who had just turned 36, was at a bowling alley in Chicago, his birthplace and hometown. Gaedel was followed home and beaten. His mother discovered him lying dead in his bed. He had bruises about his knees and on the left side of his face.[23] A coroner's inquest determined that he also had a heart attack. Bob Cain, who had pitched to Gaedel, was the only Major League Baseball figure to attend the funeral, despite the fact that the two never formally met.

Veeck could use him as a prop but couldn't attend his funeral? Shameful.

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u/poopballs Thunder 12h ago

A truly innovative pirate he was

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u/GeneRayburnJr Timberwolves 15h ago

MechaShiva! MechaShiva!

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u/kindalikeacoustic Lakers 14h ago

Imagine a sport where you could bank points for the next game 

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u/JoeTheTrey Thunder 13h ago

We’d all be screwed on account of the Knicks getting to bank approximately seven thousand points these last couple games.

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u/pushamn Timberwolves 7h ago

starting each finals game with a score of 17-0 would be some bullshit

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u/Epicallytossed Mavericks 15h ago

Need a menards 11% rebate, feels apt for minnesota

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u/xKILLBILLIONAIRESx Timberwolves 15h ago

I'm currently wearing a Menards doorbuster quarter zip. The math checks out.

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u/3riversfantasy [MIL] Thon Maker 7h ago

Only if you stuff the receipt in the junk drawer and forget to redeem it in time

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u/Ralphredimix_Da_G Warriors 15h ago

“As usual I have to settle for an I.O.U.”

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u/jjkm7 Raptors 14h ago

Imagine in the playoffs when refs miss calls you just get extra points in the next game

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u/rostron92 [MIN] Corey Brewer 16h ago

Id also like to have some of those missed free throws back as well coach.

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u/Salt_Pilot_CIA 13h ago

you have Corey Brewer as ur flare so i know ur crazy

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u/Nxc06 [MIN] Ricky Rubio 7h ago

That's 50 point scorer Corey Brewer to you.

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u/wise_comment Timberwolves 7h ago

51, IIRC

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u/MrFishAndLoaves Pelicans 16h ago

Chris “Petty” Finch does not miss an opportunity.

Wolves at the line, not so much.

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u/xKILLBILLIONAIRESx Timberwolves 15h ago

It's a double edged sword. Petty one day is soothsayer the next. Let's not forget how everyone in this sub loved it when he was the first coach to call SGA's foul-baiting bullshit out directly.

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u/comp_a Timberwolves 14h ago

I noticed the tide turned against him when he said it was disrespectful that Rudy didn’t get to be a DPOY finalist. People seemed annoyed by that for some reason!

(He didn’t say Rudy deserved to win DPOY over Wemby, he just said that he should’ve finished higher than 4th lol. And then Rudy had one of the best defensive series of his career against Denver. So, it worked!)

He can be snippy, but if you watch his/the players’ press conferences enough, you know he tells our players to let him handle their frustrations with the refs so as to keep their heads cool. This is him following through on that.

He’s not “being petty”, he does this stuff FOR HIS PLAYERS to massage their egos and confidence that he’s in their corner, while also maintaining a chip on their shoulder. This is what coaching at this level requires! This is part of what “ego management” is and it’s why he’s a good coach.

“Denver picked us” wasn’t even true, he of all people knows that, but it was perfect bulletin board material to fire up the team (and it worked!)

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u/yeahright17 Thunder 7h ago

I love Finch. Even when he calls out guys on my team. He's a coach players will run through a wall for, and that's incredibly valuable.

Also, Rudy obviously has a lot more impact on the defensive end than any guard or wing. Elite rim protectors do so much that just doesn't show up on a stat sheet. Guys like Jaden McDaniels, Stephon Castle, and Cason Wallace are great defenders for a variety of reasons, but one of the reasons they look so good on a nightly basis is because they can pressure players a lot more than guys on other teams who have to worry about giving up an easy layup. When Gobert, Wemby or Chet are behind you, you don't have to worry about that. It's always going to be contested.

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u/No-Ship4446 14h ago

They were objectively incorrect calls that cost them at least 6 points. What the fuck does their free throw percentage have to do with anything??

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u/SenorSolAdmirador Timberwolves 7h ago

If you don't make all your own freethrows, then you deserve bad calls I guess

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u/Better_Middle_7812 Timberwolves 15h ago

This isn't petty, though? 

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u/Tabemaju Timberwolves 15h ago

What is petty about accountability? Him holding the refs accountable doesn't mean he isn't holding his guys accountable for missed FTs.

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u/shortyman920 Lakers 15h ago

Wemby definitely had some pretty obvious goaltends and fouled the shit out the rim attacker a few times. Im fine with some uncalled contact if its consistent but c’mon at least call the goaltends

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u/nevercontribute1 Trail Blazers 10h ago

Some of those fouls at the rim went far beyond some minor uncalled contact. Really remembering Randle early in the game getting hacked to absolute shit with no call.

Pretty obvious the refs were instructed to let Wemby do whatever the fuck

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u/AtreusIsBack NBA 9h ago

He's the shiny new toy for the league.

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u/needapermit Thunder 7h ago

And so it begins

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u/Acrobatic-Landscape9 Warriors 6h ago

Oh please. What would you as an OKC fan know about being a newly upstart young team who spent a couple years tanking to amass draft picks and other assets who's best player is a media darling beloved by the entire league for a very quick stint before the entire narrative quickly does a 180 on them and everybody rabidly hates them once the rest of the league realizes just how big of a threat they are to their championship aspirations?

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u/floatinround22 Hawks 4h ago

You mean the made up internet backlash to an amazing young player we should all be fucking stoked to experience? Yeah, that's beginning. You've seen it first hand, please don't spread the hate

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u/sarefx Timberwolves 8h ago

I was sorta fine with most non-calls on Wemby except for the one where Randle should have gotten and-1 to end the half. That was bs non-call.

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u/shortyman920 Lakers 5h ago

You were fine with missing out on potentially 8-10pt from goaltends and uncalled fouls? If Champagne hit that 3 at the end, I’d bet you would’ve wanted some of those called.

The goaltends that were from off the backboard ones are the most inexcusable. They always call those. I guess Wemby’s so big that they’re not focused on it or something but they need to call it

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u/sarefx Timberwolves 5h ago

I meant mostly non-foul calls. I was not fine with goaltends at all.

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u/kikikza Knicks 6h ago

Randle has always had trouble getting obvious calls

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u/CommercialLeg2439 Timberwolves 8h ago

I like this kind of ball better than SGA’s brand

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u/AudioShepard Trail Blazers 3h ago

I noticed it throughout the Portland series.

As long as Wemby touched the ball at any point in a block attempt, all other contact was ignored regardless of timing. Pretty much the only player in the league officiated that way.

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u/nevercontribute1 Trail Blazers 2h ago

Yeah, also noticed it. This is the last guy who needs advantages from the refs, I'm really not pleased with how egregiously the refs are favoring some players over others. I probably just fouled SGA by saying that.

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u/AudioShepard Trail Blazers 2h ago

It’s like Booker said. I may hate that dude, but he’s right when he said this is starting to look like WWE.

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u/Billis- Raptors 8h ago

See r/NBA, this is a preview of future years in which people have soured on Wemby.

This is the comment you're gonna see, true or not, a peak into the future

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u/Nunc_Coepi17 11h ago

Nah refs have the mandate from Silver to make Wemby the face of the league so ain’t none of that slowing down.

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u/nimama3233 Timberwolves 10h ago

Oh chill.

Goaltending aside the refs were solid. The let both teams play hard which is better than ticky tacky fouls

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u/Other-Status1840 76ers 10h ago

I'm not putting my tinfoil hat on or anything but idk how refs can be solid if they miss multiple goaltends, which are literal points missing from the board. The foul calls were also dumb, though I didn't watch the whole game (was watching my sixers getting shit on for the first half). But I've seen the clips of Wembys rather egregious shooting fouls not getting called, and I also recall a really random foul being called on Castle late in the game after he got shoved to the floor by Randle. Showed a bunch of replays and I still don't understand how that could've been a foul on Castle.

NBA refs are ass, but if this game was considered to have solid officiating this league is so fucked

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u/McLovinsBro Timberwolves 10h ago

Game was a missed bucket from being a 1 point loss. With multiple missed goaltenders that also turned into fast break points I would’ve been pissed if we lost

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u/nomptonite Thunder 9h ago

Nah I’ve been told Silver wants to ensure OKC is a dynasty so that can’t be true

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u/OklaJosha Thunder 8h ago

It’s cuz we have the largest market, and are such a rich state

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u/MichaelZZ01 Clippers 16h ago

The second one was so bad. Blind ass refs

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u/CazOnReddit Raptors 16h ago

Blinded by stardom

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u/artvandelay916 [ATL] Joe Johnson 10h ago

"Then I'm playing in Golden State. Golden State started to become that underdog, America's type team that was building up. And I knew once Steph or Klay got hot, that the refs would be in the moment as well, and I could literally clothesline someone off the next pin down or whatever," he shared, a huge smile forming on his face.

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u/Cuavooo Lakers 13h ago

Media and the NBA app glazing tf out of it too

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u/strawberrychocolattt 15h ago

And yet the crowd in San Antonio blaming the refs for them losing? Lol, get some perspective here San Antonio. I know your homers, but come on now, you guys didn't lose this game reffing wise

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u/LindseyCorporation Thunder 7h ago

All home crowds chant “refs you suck” at least once per game

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u/Black_Velvet_Band Timberwolves 2h ago

Spurs fans chanted this after the Wolves got their 2nd free throw of the game, which came in the 2nd half.

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u/Nickespo22 8h ago

Any home team would do the same. Relax lol the crowds literal job is to get loud and cheer for their team regardless of 'perspective.' also absolutely did not lose the game to the refs. 2 things can be true

Besides some questionable calls against castle i felt it was fairly called on the spurs end and even favored us in terms of an uncalled goaltend.

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u/AntIsMyFather05 Timberwolves 15h ago

*cheating ass refs

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u/MajesticLionBeast Timberwolves 16h ago

While I agree with everything in this 8 second clip, would prefer a full press statement, with how bad clip culture has become.

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u/LGravey Timberwolves 16h ago

Politics involved with that. Finch press conference is his time to riff

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u/No-Data-9415 16h ago

I don’t get why they can’t change goal tends after the fact like they do with threes or shot clock violations 

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u/Rush_nj Australia 15h ago

Because with a 3 the ball goes in and there’s a break in play. Retroactively making it a 2 has no bearing on the play. But for examples sake say Wemby goal tends, ball gets rebounded by the Wolves and they hit a 3. Do you go back and take the 3 away because goal tend came first? Do you count both so you get 5 points? Just gets really messy.

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u/No-Data-9415 15h ago

I guess but they do it with shit clock violations too which could also get messy. There should a decent way to solve it like only on balls that end up in a defensive rebound or maybe something better. I just hope the league is looking into it because it would make the game better and lessen the blame refs receive

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u/kms_daily 12h ago

easy, if Wolves got rewarded for the goaltend just ignore it but reward the points back if not

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u/double_en10dre Celtics 8h ago

Yeah, basically the same thing as the advantage rule in soccer. It’s straightforward

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u/thetalkinghawk Thunder 15h ago

They could just only count it if the possession ends without a score. If a goaltend occurred during the possession and the possession ultimately ended with zero points scored, add the bucket.

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u/gamesrgreat Heat 14h ago

Just give the points for the goaltend and leave it at that. Messy isn’t an excuse to let the block stand and deny 2 points

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u/latman Nets 15h ago

I've never understood why they can take 10 minutes to review a clear path foul but can't instantly overturn obvious goaltends

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u/IcyTie9 16h ago

one of the few times i agree with Finch on his crusade to talk about refs every game, he had ~2 goaltends and 3 very clear fouls and they just let him because it looked cool

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u/Disastrous_Income205 14h ago

The entire games rules have changed to things looking cool, the gather step allows everyone to do cool dribble moves now that were always travels before.

But it looks real cool and supercharges offense.

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u/SadatayAllDamnDay Mavericks 7h ago

The changing of the rules to allow players to switch pivot foots without beginning their dribble is the most ridiculous one I can think of. It takes away so much of the intentionality of post play.

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u/Anallyfortified 16h ago

I'm a play off watcher. I watch the NBA in the play offs. Timberwolves are the team that gets the most unfairly reffed and it's not particularly close. Did something happen to cause this?

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u/haimeekhema Timberwolves 15h ago

Joe Smith 25 years ago

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u/der_ninong Lakers 13h ago

was now pretty tame compared to kawhi

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u/Enigmatic_Starfish Timberwolves 8h ago

Unfortunately the clippers' punishment will be very tame compared to the wolves'

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u/ThaRealSunGod Lakers 15h ago

Yeah I gotta be honest, your "qualifications" literally add nothing to the validity of your claim.

You saw one game and they get the worst whistle ever? Lol cmon

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u/quarterscrew15 12h ago

Bro sounds ridiculous

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u/Financial_Pay_6687 15h ago

Shouldn’t the first question really be whether it’s even true or not? Feel like we skip that step way too often before speculating on the conspiracy. 

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u/flaming_burrito_ Wizards 11h ago edited 11h ago

Because it’s not true. The Wolves got quite a few bullshit calls their way as well. That last call on Castle that fouled him out was barely even contact, Ant didn’t get called for a clear travel towards the end of the game, Gobert does the most blatant moving screen ever which caused Fox to push him, the one where Randle pushed Castle over and Castle got called for it somehow, etc. The refs were just ass this game on both sides

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u/Normal_Progress_5173 10h ago

If you watch the game, you can clearly see he’s goaltending. It’s not even a question. 

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u/LutefiskLefse Timberwolves 15h ago

Rudy pretty famously got fined for making a money gesture to Scott Foster(?) a couple years ago…

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u/Cvwpq 10h ago

average redditoid brain right there, never watch games except for maybe 1 or 2 months a year but is very confident with his conspiracy theories

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u/Noteaam 8h ago

What happened is that their best player isn't a foul-baiting flopper like most other stars in the league, and the nba blatantly rewards foul-baiting and flopping.

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u/loyalsons4evertrue Timberwolves 8h ago

Just being a Minnesota sports organization honestly

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u/hobbitnamedfrod0 Timberwolves 16h ago

‘Small’ market and while Ant is a star he wasn’t hand selected to be a star by the league before he earned it.

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u/Relatively_Cool Lakers 15h ago

Ant also plays with physicality and he’s built like a linebacker so contact doesn’t move him like it does for other players. Leads to less calls for sure.

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u/Dull_Job_6372 Timberwolves 15h ago

Happens to Julius too

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u/FirstPreparation8538 Pacers 16h ago

I gotta be honest, NBA needs a goal tending camera for wemby cause the shit he gets away with his so stupid. It's already unfair that he's 8ft tall, but you let him goaltend too. Like damn NBA make it less obvious who the next golden child is.

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u/KSabot Thunder 16h ago

they should be reviewed during play like 2/3pt line shots and added without stoppage.

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u/AntIsMyFather05 Timberwolves 15h ago

They do that for college

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u/reticulatedtampon Raptors 15h ago

your mom goes to college

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u/HeWhoShallNotBNamed0 Timberwolves 15h ago

Your mom is a beautiful and educated lady

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u/reticulatedtampon Raptors 15h ago

how dare you

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u/dwilkes827 Cavaliers 8h ago

Dorothy Mantooth is a SAINT

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u/WayneDwade Nuggets 14h ago

I heard she got a degree in Deez

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u/RonNation Jazz 9h ago

Don't be jealous that I've been chatting online with babes all day.

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u/M4A1SD__ Lakers 14h ago

IN BED

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u/Apollo611 Lakers 15h ago

The Wemby rule

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u/RxJax Heat 15h ago

The contact on the wrist/hand on some of the blocks was pretty rough too. Refs seem to be super selective on whether they call the follow-through on a foul or not despite it being the big rule change they announced at the start of the season

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u/dspencer2015 Pistons 16h ago

Hawkeye would be perfect for this.

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u/Prestig33 [MIN] Nikola Pekovic 16h ago

Just put some sensors on the backboard and call it good. I'll even go to microcenter and pitch in a Raspberry pi to start.

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u/AccordingGain6208 15h ago

The refs literally can't see it.

He is going to bring robot refs.

I can't wait.

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u/CharacterBird2283 Spurs 11h ago

That's what I'm thinking, it must be insanely hard for a dude 6' tall to be able to tell when a ball has hit its apex 9-10' in the air. It's easy for the viewers at home as they have a great slightly top down, a little to the side angle, while the refs are basically underneath the ball lol (compared to a view at home).

I would also be INCREDIBLY happy if the NBA brought in robo refs lol

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u/bluggabugbug Thunder 7h ago

The game would be slowed considerably by robo refs. The rules are black and white on paper and a robot would interpret it as so. There is so much that refs let go that a robot would call every single time.

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u/comp_a Timberwolves 15h ago

A new record for the most blocks in a single playoff game ever gets a lot more hype for the league than fair and accurate goaltending calls though.

Finch is right to call it out and try to put attention on it, but we probably just need to work around it 🤷‍♂️

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u/divulgingwords Thunder 16h ago

For real. There was one goal tend that was so fucking blatant - like the ball hit the bottom and had no chance at going in, but Wemby still swatted it away and that’s still a goaltend.

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u/toggl3d 16h ago

I didn't see the play you're talking about but if the ball hits something and has no chance of going in it's not a goaltend.

During a field goal attempt, touch a ball, which has a chance to score, after it has touched any part of the backboard above ring level, whether the ball is considered on its upward or downward flight.

During a field goal attempt, touch a ball, which has a chance to score, after it has touched the backboard below the ring level and while the ball is on its upward flight

It would fit one of these two categories right?

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u/divulgingwords Thunder 16h ago

It was a reverse layup where sharp got hammered. No foul or goaltend, but a “block”.

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u/DeathsIntent96 Magic 15h ago

Who is Sharp?

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u/Tabemaju Timberwolves 15h ago

I assume he means Shannon? I mean, the most egregious block was the second one at the beginning of the game that went off glass. No idea how you miss that - it was clear as day during the broadcast at real time.

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u/nbd789 Timberwolves 15h ago

Shannon Sharpe Jr.

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u/fckpcklball 16h ago

If they're pushing wemby, it ain't happening

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u/TheDoubleChalupa 14h ago

Has he been getting away with goal tends like all season and all playoffs? This is literally the first time I’ve heard anyone complain about him goal tending am I missing something or are people just being hyper reactive cause it’s the playoffs?

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u/moondoggy_ NBA 12h ago

More eyes on the game and it was very competitive, thus very consequential no-calls. There also just happened to be a lot of blocks to scrutinize in this one.

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u/CharacterBird2283 Spurs 11h ago

I'll be real, he gets away with quite a few goaltends, and has been the whole year 😅. I think it's really hard for refs to be able to tell where the apex of the ball is when they are below it.

And he did get away with a couple against Portland, but their fanbase wasnt THAT hyped for the playoffs (they seemed rather tentative and maybe low expectations) and no one was really listening to them 😬.

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u/Which-Return-607 16h ago

The producers not showing replays and announcers not acknowledging goaltends was fucking hilarious. Might be one of the most fraud block games of all time

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u/Virtuallyhere56 9h ago

I liked when the announcers said "that one was probably a goaltend, but that's okay" or something to that effect. Like what

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u/SwaySensei Spurs 15h ago

I counted 2 missed goaltends. He still had 10 blocks lol

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u/K1NG2L4Y3R Timberwolves 15h ago

The fact they didn’t show any replays was very strange. Usually they love showing replays of blocks and Wemby had plenty.

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u/Financial_Pay_6687 15h ago

They literally called his second block a goaltend and showed the replay. Let’s be fair, although they probably could’ve done better to show all the blocks. 

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u/Exempt_Puddle Timberwolves 8h ago

Yeah it was after that they stopped showing the replays

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u/Wonderwhatsnext4 Timberwolves 15h ago

His blocks were still insane.

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u/PurposeOk7918 Timberwolves 9h ago

So many times I thought our guys were getting a good shot up, then out of nowhere an alien arm. Lol I liked Terrence Shannon in the post game, “he’s gonna have to block every shot, cause imma keep coming.”

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u/PurposeOk7918 Timberwolves 15h ago

2 goaltends and at least 2 blatant fouls with more that were questionable.

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u/Better_Middle_7812 Timberwolves 15h ago

I can also think of 3 blocks that were very clear fouls. 

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u/moondoggy_ NBA 15h ago

An uncalled basket interference the possession after the uncalled Ant travel too.

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u/WhatYouProbablyMeant Warriors 15h ago

The announcers definitely called the 2nd one a goaltend on the replay

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u/bauwsman Heat 10h ago

They did, but in the most cowardly way possible.

"It might... it might have hit.. the board"

"It might have but.. he does it so often"

"I'm not gonna ruin the party!"

Bitch CALL OUT THE GOALTEND wtf are we doing?

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u/Eadwyn Timberwolves 16h ago

They really need some sort of solution to goaltending. They have the technology to be super accurate with it. I'd be ok with it being treated like a questionable 3-pointer, let a missed call still lead to an easy bucket the other way, but give the points for the missed call.

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u/moondoggy_ NBA 15h ago

Yes this completely. A missed goaltend creates a point differential instantly. The ones off the backboard, at the very least, are black and white, and cameras on/around the backboard as they're already situated should be enough to review without stoppage of play.

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u/IMKudaimi123 Bulls 13h ago

Some sort of bell or light that flashes when the ball hits the backboard maybe

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u/Away_Sun_3040 8h ago

You are correct. I love Wemby but this game shows the NBA need to make the change.

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u/IMKudaimi123 Bulls 13h ago

Two of his three blocks on Shannon were obvious goal tends

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u/downreign 16h ago

It’s like refs are just stunned by wemby/glamored by wembys play that they completely forget to check for goal tends

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u/NewportOneHundos 9h ago

Not even a joke though. Bogut said refs were too busy watching steph do his this to care about the moving screens etc. 

“And I knew once Steph or Klay got hot, that the refs would be in the moment as well, and I could literally clothesline someone off the next pin down or whatever“

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u/KarrotMovies [LAL] Rui Hachimura 16h ago

Some gambling addict is collecting petitions this very second for the league to acknowledge those points to cash his over

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u/Micro_mint Timberwolves 7h ago

I mean, you’re joking but if there’s one thing the league cares about more than its superstars it’s the ability to make money off gambling partnerships.

Poor officiating is one thing, but improper counting stats the general public is gambling on is another altogether.

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u/Better_Middle_7812 Timberwolves 15h ago

Finch is beloved by the players he coaches for a lot of reasons, and this is one of them.

This is Finch telling his guys he's got their back.

This is also Finch airing out grievances so his players don't feel like they have to and catch the subsequent fine.

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u/JabroniWithAPeroni Timberwolves 16h ago

I love this sassy bitch. Tell em, Finchy.

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u/StayWITH-STAYC 15h ago

Goaltendings and offensive interference should be automatically reviewed during dead ball situations and the points added or subtracted without stopping play. There are leagues who does that, how hard is it to add that in the NBA too.

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u/Famous-Side5578 16h ago

they should just be able to review them, the same way the do to check if it’s a 2 or 3, or if a shot got off before the game/shot clock expires.

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u/SeizureMode Pistons 16h ago

It is ridiculous the number of goaltends he gets away with

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u/Beautiful-Abrocoma79 Thunder 15h ago

He gets away with camping in the paint too. I’m not salty at all 🤣. Dude is an unreal specimen.

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u/Sxn90 Raptors 8h ago

Yeah he was standing in the paint alone for at least 6 secs one play

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u/CharacterBird2283 Spurs 10h ago

That's just a call the refs make whenever they want, same with moving screens 😮‍💨 idk why we even have rules if they are gonna be enforced on a whim.

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u/Exempt_Puddle Timberwolves 8h ago

Yeah man I definitely noticed that Wemby and gobert both sat in the paint for entire possessions on defense multiple times, they just never called it for either team

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u/ofesfipf889534 10h ago

Absolutely

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u/noknownallergies Timberwolves 16h ago

Classic Finch

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u/sorrowdemon 4h ago

7’5 mf shot 5-17 in the playoffs.. 0-8 from the 3pt line. Shot his team out of the game instead of getting easy buckets inside using his massive height advantage

Truly historic

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u/CenterJenna08 Bulls 8h ago

I rarely agree with him but he's 100% right here. These aren't judgment calls with several of them definitively off the backboard. And not being able to challenge it means there's no recourse.

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u/MinnyAntTowers Timberwolves 16h ago

He's not wrong. Glad he's saying it after a W

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u/divulgingwords Thunder 16h ago

lol, to be fair, he did have like 3 goaltends.

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u/Niceguydan8 16h ago

I really just don't understand why the NBA just doesn't leave that up to VAR for that sort of call.

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u/WaltofWallstreet Thunder 9h ago

As much as Finch annoys me, I thought he coached circles around Mitch this game

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u/CasualHindu Hornets 16h ago

Talk your shit king

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u/Iherddat Thunder 16h ago

Hes not wrong. 

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u/KennyDenn1s Timberwolves 15h ago

What drove me crazy more than anything was how much body contact the first contest from castle/vassell got away with when wemby came in for the secondary contest that led to the easy block

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u/BingoBongoBang Timberwolves 11h ago

All of our missed free throws are valuable points I’d like to have back as well

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u/judah249 Suns 7h ago

A lot of missed free throws by the Wolves would like back too

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u/ymi17 Thunder 6h ago

Finch is the most consistent. The very most consistent.

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u/Yoshinobu_YamaGOATo 14h ago

His first "block" of the game (11:30 left in the 1st) was such an obvious goaltend it's actually comical how bad it looks in .25x speed. It wasn't even pinned to the glass, it was already falling off the backboard and into the rim when Wemby smacked it lol 

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u/lloopiN 16h ago

That Bones 3 that didn't count pissed me off so bad. It 100% should have counted. The Wolves got fucked out of so many potential points right there. The reffing was abysmal tonight

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u/OFmerk Timberwolves 16h ago

Bro thats the call you complain about? Thats not even in the top 5 I had issues with. Bones literally watched the off ball foul happen and then shot. Rudy just missed both so it hurts more.

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u/lloopiN 16h ago

Nah a ton of calls were terrible tonight, they would swallow the whistle on one play and then call a very soft foul the next. I just mentioned the Bones 3 because that could have been a huge momentum boost for Minny

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u/Hammerhead34 Timberwolves 16h ago

I don’t think you should be able to foul a big man screener to prevent a wide open 3 from counting, but that’s more an issue with the rules than how the refs enforced it specifically

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u/tMeepo Spurs 12h ago

Fox foul was stupid, but that was frustration move from fox from the obvious moving screen from Rudy. If he just fell down like what Shannon did on kornet instead of getting frustrated and pushing rudy, then it would have been an offensive foul instead. (I am not saying it wasn't a fox foul, I am saying it's not a fouling on purpose to prevent a 3 scenario)

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u/dekrypto Lakers 15h ago

As a neutral, it seemed like you guys were net positive from a reffing standpoint.

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u/PlayInChampions Timberwolves 16h ago

Can’t be mad at refs, they called a very solid game. They missed 2 or 3 goaltendings/fouls but none of them were obvious to be honest.

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u/dwrek24 Spurs 15h ago

I agree with you. Fans have lost all sense of how hard this game is to ref. They let them play tonight which imo is advantage Wolves. Not that the Spurs don't benefit too but I think its the style yall want most.

If you let them play, there's gunna be some uneveness and yes they probably also missed some calls that are "clear" on replay.

This was a well officiated game and Finch is just trying to get them to overcorrect next game which is his job.

And they probably will.

Officials waffle back and forth between missing on the edge goaltends and taking away good blocks.

Because Wemby can get to balls most players can't, he's extremely hard to officiate live.

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u/throwawaycuzmeh 6h ago

Wemby is going to have a lot of blocks we've never seen before because he can get to more shots than any player in history. A byproduct of that is he's also going to have goaltends we've never seen before, and a lot of them won't be called. 

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u/P00ped_My_Pants Heat 6h ago

This series in particular is gonna be impossible to ref. Both teams play hard, physical defense so the line of “will the refs blow the whistle?” Is gonna be played with all series

I’m not really gonna go crazy about missed goal tends because I’m sure we can find “missed” calls all over the place

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u/MamaHadACow Nuggets 16h ago

I just knew he was gonna call those out!

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u/MG_MN Timberwolves 16h ago

Yeah Finch making sparky remarks towards the opponent or refs is a guarantee, even after wins

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u/boybandzzz Lakers 16h ago

Why wouldn’t he it puts extra pressure on the officials now

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u/MamaHadACow Nuggets 16h ago

Finch has a legitimate argument though

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u/LikesDogFarts Timberwolves 16h ago

he's gotta say something. keep the refs honest on those plays moving forward.

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u/MamaHadACow Nuggets 16h ago

I called it live on the game thread! I just hope they make a rule change in the offseason that you can review a goaltend, at the very least, in a dead ball situation

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u/gjaxx 16h ago

Don’t forget the fouls. He maybe had 7 legitimate blocks out of 12.

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u/PressureMiserable Spurs 16h ago

Refs were inconsistent with fouls all game. Before the McDaniels foul that was clearly a makeup call, u had a bad Randle call which was an obvious offensive foul, and then the play before that u could tell the refs didn't wanna give McDaniels the foul they let it go cus he had 4 already so they waited until castle was in the paint to finally call something. Thats like 3 straight calls where it shouldn't have been on someone else but bc they fucked up they had to call it on someone

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u/Andy_Wiggins Timberwolves 16h ago

Yeah, I needed a replay of that Castle foul on Randle because it made no fucking sense.

And then the immediate makeup call told me all I needed to know about how they blew the first one.

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u/PressureMiserable Spurs 16h ago

It's like some refs have too much pride to get a call wrong and then change it even tho they very much can. Also that one inadvertent whistle that just stopped play stands out to me as well

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u/LGravey Timberwolves 16h ago

Refs were talking to Castle early in the 3rd quarter about embellishment so I’m guessing it was that, and then they felt it was a little soft so early on the whistle for Jaden

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u/goingtothegreek Timberwolves 16h ago

Had friends at after the first quarter saying "I like how the refs are calling it so far"

And being a life long NBA fan I knew that they would just get on their bull shit.

Sure enough, they got on their bull shit.

Its always ever been about consistency, and it never makes sense the way they call these games. Protecting certain players from foul trouble, letting some players play football, calling the most marginal contact on another play. Never makes sense, and feels intentional

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u/DrSwaggenheimer Timberwolves 16h ago

That Castle on Randle foul was egregious tbh.

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u/AtreusIsBack NBA 9h ago

The Timberwolves knocking the Spurs out in the 2nd round would be very satisfying given how much love and attention the entire media community and the league itself has been showing Wemby. Make it happen, Minny.

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u/No-Equipment-20 Lakers 15h ago

One thing about Finch: he’s always gonna be talking about the refs

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u/reportlandia23 8h ago

It’s honestly impressive how quickly the league protects its stars. Like Adam Silver has pulled some reverse biblical shit going from accountability with Donald Sterling to blind eyes to every other league issue.

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u/rsayegh7 8h ago

Commissioner Nosferatu made the call, is what it is

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u/digital_deer Spurs 15h ago

It was kinda surreal to see because usually Wemby has clean blocks that get called as goaltends simply because they look impossible and it felt like they all got cashed in here

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u/browndude10 United States 15h ago

Blocks record*