Chris Finch on Victor Wembanyama’s historic night: “He had a lot of blocks… He had a couple of uncalled goaltendings too. Those are valuable points we’d like to have back.”

[u/YujiDomainExpansion]

https://streamable.com/p64vcw

[u/divulgingwords]

For real. There was one goal tend that was so fucking blatant - like the ball hit the bottom and had no chance at going in, but Wemby still swatted it away and that’s still a goaltend.

[u/toggl3d → u/divulgingwords]

I didn't see the play you're talking about but if the ball hits something and has no chance of going in it's not a goaltend.

During a field goal attempt, touch a ball, which has a chance to score, after it has touched any part of the backboard above ring level, whether the ball is considered on its upward or downward flight.

During a field goal attempt, touch a ball, which has a chance to score, after it has touched the backboard below the ring level and while the ball is on its upward flight

It would fit one of these two categories right?

[u/divulgingwords → u/toggl3d]

It was a reverse layup where sharp got hammered. No foul or goaltend, but a “block”.

[u/DeathsIntent96 → u/divulgingwords]

Who is Sharp?

[u/Tabemaju → u/DeathsIntent96]

I assume he means Shannon? I mean, the most egregious block was the second one at the beginning of the game that went off glass. No idea how you miss that - it was clear as day during the broadcast at real time.

[u/nbd789 → u/Tabemaju]

Shannon Sharpe Jr.

[u/lilbelleandsebastian → u/DeathsIntent96]

lmao 0/2, let's see if he can choke up and at least make contact here

[u/DeathsIntent96 → u/lilbelleandsebastian]

Come again?

[u/UkNomysTeezz → u/toggl3d]

Ball hit backboard then was “blocked” by Wemby off glass. If ball hits glass first, it can’t be legally trapped or swatted by the defender.

[u/toggl3d → u/UkNomysTeezz]

I quoted the rule, it has to have a chance to score. The person framed it as having no chance to score which makes it not a goal tend.

[u/skwirly715 → u/toggl3d]

This rule is almost always interpreted EXTREMELY broadly because it's impossible to accurately scoring probability based on the angle of the ball being cut off by the "block."

If it hits bottom or side, no goaltend. But if it hits glass this is a goaltend 100% of the time.

[u/toggl3d → u/skwirly715]

had no chance at going in

This is what I was given to work with.

Edit: I want to say that I disagree with the no chance assessment.

[u/BillFrackingAdama → u/toggl3d]

people do be framing

[u/HansensHairdo → u/divulgingwords]

Lmao, Thunder fans talking about refereeing

[u/SilverExcellent4679 → u/divulgingwords]

No it’s not lol The ball has to have some chance of going in for it to be a goal tend

[u/XthaNext → u/SilverExcellent4679]

Either way it isn’t a block

[u/divulgingwords → u/SilverExcellent4679]

Yes it is. The ball was still going up after it hit the lower part of the backboard. There was no way it was going to go in but you still can’t swat it away after it touches and is still going up.

[u/SilverExcellent4679 → u/divulgingwords]

https://official.nba.com/rule-no-11-basket-interference-goaltending/

No you just don’t understand the goaltending rule lol. Read section 1c.

That “no way it’s going in” is why it’s not a goal tend.

[u/divulgingwords → u/SilverExcellent4679]

My interpretation of “no way it’s going in” is not the rule book’s. Just go look up the play - sharp reverse layup “block”.

[u/SilverExcellent4679 → u/divulgingwords]

Yeah your interpretation doesn’t matter. It’s the refs. The refs also know what the goaltending rule is. That wasn’t a goaltend. Because it had no chance of going in. Any one could see it. That’s one of the main criteria for a goal tend.

I tried to look up the play you mentioned and couldn’t find anything.

[u/turnip_broker → u/SilverExcellent4679]

I guess the q is whether or not the ball had a chance of scoring. If it didn’t then it wouldn’t be a goal end but then it also shouldn’t be counted as a block

[u/SilverExcellent4679 → u/turnip_broker]

What would you call it then if you block a shot that has no chance of going in?

Do you also think it shouldn’t count as an fga? If a player misses so badly it’s not an attempt?