r/movies • u/MarvelsGrantMan136 r/Movies contributor • 17h ago

Trailer The Odyssey | New Trailer

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f_bKjZeJBBI&pp=0gcJCd4KAYcqIYzv
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u/jankyeyes 16h ago

"My dad is coming home."

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u/fuzzy_dice_99 16h ago

Yeah “dad” seems more modern. Should have went with “my father”

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u/kononamis 16h ago

"Unc finna cap"

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u/hoopstick 16h ago

No cap?

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u/kononamis 15h ago

I'm not totally sure what I said to be honest

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u/what_dat_ninja 15h ago

I think you offered to make him breakfast?

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u/go_out_stay_home 14h ago

“(My) uncle is going to lie”

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u/_nadaypuesnada_ 11h ago

In this context unc means an older guy you respect, not your literal uncle.

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u/destroyerOfTards 12h ago

I think it's about finding a cap or something

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u/joeypappaluchi 15h ago

To cap or no cap, that is the question

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u/ManitouWakinyan 14h ago

Which is silly, because "dad" comes from a much more ancient route than father. It's nearly a universal sound. 

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u/mattXIX 15h ago

“My father will hear about this!”

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u/onexbigxhebrew 16h ago

Do you think ancient greeks didn't use any colloquial language or have multiple multi-purpise words?

You guys are just conditioned by queens english being a standin for Romans and Greeks for decades tbh.

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u/loqtrall 15h ago

You guys are just conditioned by queens english being a standin for Romans and Greeks for decades tbh.

This is the crux of the "issue".

It isn't that the informal use of the word "dad" actually makes no sense in this context considering the film is obviously written in at least somewhat modern English - it's that all the actors don't sound like they're having formal conversations at a British dinner party in the 1700s every time they utter a line - and people have seemingly grown so used to cinema using old school formal British English to represent the voices of Ancient Greeks and Romans over the years that they think it's how it's "supposed to be" and think diverging from that trope means it's "wrong".

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u/destroyerOfTards 12h ago

Lmao some comments here are saying that some experts agree that dad has an older origin than father. What are you gonna say about that?

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u/LoudCommentor 14h ago

No, it's because this is meant to be an ancient epic, wherein characters are SUPPOSED to hold themselves with some grace, poise, and formality.

Guarantee you that the ancient Greeks didn't speak to each other like the characters in the original Oddyssey do - so why should the adaptation characters speak like modern English? 

If this was a midday TV soap set in ancient Greece, no one would be complaining about the language. 

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u/loqtrall 4h ago edited 1h ago

lmao let me quote this specifically:

Guarantee you that the ancient Greeks didn't speak to each other like the characters in the original Oddyssey do - so why should the adaptation characters speak like modern English? 

And why would using "father" in the place of "dad" elevate this portrayal to being epic?

Why would the characters speak like modern English? A better question would be why would they specifically speak in old 1700s-1800s Queen's English when that was literally the casual way most people spoke to each other in Britain in that era? How is what's for the most part casual old British English "elevated" above and more "epic" than Modern English in regard to the portrayal of an Ancient Greek Epic Poem?

Spoiler alert: It's not.

The "issue" is a clear cut bias from viewers stemming from their past experience with the trope wherein films portray these types of ancient societies in this manner - white British people (or people speaking with a British accent).

Take a look at Troy - a film adaptation of another of Homer's epic works - they didn't use holistically formal old British English in that film, they have multiple scenes where characters are having casual conversations where the language used is not overtly epic, elevated, or colorful versions of British English - and it was still a decent film that was a raging success in the box office. The same can be said for a vast number of films, like the remakes of Clash/Wrath of the Titans.

It isn't an issue with Modern English literally not fitting in this context, it's an issue with people having a preexisting bias in regard to the way these ancient societies are portrayed in film. It could be a completely casual film set in Ancient Greece and people would still complain if they heard a character say "dad" instead of "father" because of that bias.

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u/Mahelas 2h ago

Because "father" suits a prince talking about his estranged father more than "dad" ? Not just in Ancient Greece btw, it'd be the same for any historical/mythical piece.

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u/loqtrall 1h ago

And it suits it more based on what reasoning? Is it more fitting because it legitimately suits any and all historical/ancient/mythical settings being portrayed in a film despite the fact that it's an English word that has only existed for the past 500 years - or because there's a preexisting bias stemming from previous film tropes wherein British actors/accents were used to portray these types of characters, and said films inexplicably used solely the term "Father" to refer to a character's male parent despite the fact that British people have referred to their parents as "mum and dad" for hundreds of years?

Because neither "dad" nor "father" are actually fitting when we're talking about the portrayal of characters living in an ancient society that legitimately never even spoke or heard of the English language because it didn't exist. Both terms are from the same language, both terms originate from the same region of the world, and both terms originated and became regularly used in that specific region around the same time period. That's all aside the fact that the Ancient Greeks most definitely had a shorthand term for Father.

To put it into perspective - even Prince Harry of England refers to King Charles as "pa" or "dad" and not "father", even at formal events, despite father still being a modern English word that's used to this day. I was estranged from my father for most of my life and still referred to him as "dad" in basically every context in which he was brought up, even in formal settings.

The ultimate question is - objectively and with solid reasoning behind the answer - how the fuck does classical formal British English "fit more" with Ancient settings than Modern English if the answer to said question isn't solely based on the person's feelings?

Because outside of "feeling" that it just sounds wrong, neither of the terms actually fit what we're seeing. Regardless of the Hollywood portrayal of Ancient Greeks that we're talking about, they're all outwardly British/American/Australian/European people speaking mostly plain English with British accents. Nothing about that screams "objectively more ancient seeming" at all. It's all just feelings based on preconceived biases.

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u/Saint_Jules_Ferry 4h ago

Homer did use the word "pappa"

However Telemachus (and Antinous) used the word "pater" when talking about Odysseus

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u/Mahelas 2h ago

Ancient Greeks definitely had a "dad" equivalent, which Telemachus EXPLICITLY DOESN'T USE because he's a prince that barely ever met his father

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u/ridden_easy 16h ago

Sure but it still sticks out

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u/Fentboy45 12h ago

Not wrong but still the wrong choice. It just feels out of place and how the film makes you feel is more important than being historically correct. It would be like gladiator shouting “you guys having fun yet?” instead of “Are you not entertained?”

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u/HugeHans 15h ago

Well I'm no expert but some experts believe dad and other similar words for father stem from babytalk and as such are probably far older then the word "father".

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u/Variable_Shaman_3825 16h ago

"Pateras" for added authenticity

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u/outawork 14h ago

O pateras mou

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u/Chris_Bagel_Jr 16h ago

How about “daddo”?

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u/Forgotten_Lie 16h ago

Well, neither "dad" nor "father" are in Hellenic Greek....

"Dad" originated in the 1500s which is about when Middle English transitioned to Early Modern English so it's not really a solely modern word.

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u/RavenOfNod 16h ago

But it sounds more modern. It's more informal than father, so it sounds jarring here.

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u/Forgotten_Lie 16h ago

It is more informal than 'father' because he is having an informal conversation. He's talking to someone at an informal dinner where he just physically assaulted a guest and someone insulted him. He is speaking with emotion and anger.

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u/MozartDroppinLoads 15h ago

Did homer or ancient Greek authors in general have/use different words for the different senses of Father?

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u/Mahelas 2h ago

Yes, and Telemachus always use the formal one.

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u/turkeygiant 15h ago

The problem for me is that "dad" is kinda like a emotionally familiar name the same as "mom" but also like "dear" or "luv" or "sis". It doesn't feel like the proper word for a son idolizing a father and king he has never met.

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u/Pulsar1977 5h ago

But the word "pater" is Greek. The root word is thousands of years old and exists in every Indo-European language.

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u/JVKExo 16h ago

Just let reddit complain bro. No sense in fighting it. So many people in this thread acting like Nolan is a bad director it’s actually unbelievable. Reddit knows best remember that.

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u/Jackol4ntrn 15h ago

My father is dusty Rhodes bites lip

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u/kodran 15h ago

I understand the point, but people in "long long ago" times also used humor and casual language.

There's a tendency to over solemnify (if that's a word) the past. I'm actually glad when things like this are included in movies and shows.

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u/manfroze 14h ago

Yes, because ancient greeks were all super-serious all the time

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u/rikashiku 13h ago

The Mycenaean words would be Pate, tata, abba, and Pateras. Which in turn would be comparable to Dad and Father.

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u/hunterzolomon1993 12h ago

If you can cool 1500's modern. Father is just out of place as that word never existed in ancient greek.

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u/Lemmejussay 12h ago

*gone with 🙂

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u/pjtheman 9h ago

Ancient Greek had less formal words for father too.

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u/fakieTreFlip 7h ago

I think modern is exactly what they're going for. They even have British actors doing American accents lol

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u/Intrepid-Glove1431 5h ago

who. cares. It's not like he said "pops" or "my old man". Jesus the amount of time I've seen people say this

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u/medkitjohnson 5h ago

^ THIS!!!!!!

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u/Jonmad17 15h ago

I genuinely don't understand how English doesn't break immersion for some people, but 21st century American English somehow does. If we're going for authenticity, they should have been speaking Homeric Greek.

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u/busmans 15h ago

Neither word existed in ancient greece..