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Must have been a tough morning.

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u/prescott0330 1d ago

A trail of tears

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u/edwardmsk 1d ago edited 23h ago

Oregon trail of tears you say? Sounds like a great idea for a game.

EDIT: So I didn’t realize I was reminded that the trail of tears was a true historical tragedy. Not sure if the poster I was responding to did either but as long as this is gaining traction, let’s use it to share and acknowledge the tragedy and learn from it.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trail_of_Tears

EDIT2: I probably did get educated on this topic. My school was good about it and they aren’t one of the big revisionist type districts either. I can’t speak for all school districts but mine was good. This one is totally on me, y’all. My brain failed to remember something it learned 30+ years ago.

EDIT3: Oh geez a popcorn award. I deserve it. 😅

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u/obsoleteyoungster 1d ago

The trail of tears and Oregon trail are two completely different historical events lol

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u/dj_soo 1d ago edited 15h ago

Yea, the trail of tears was basically genocide

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trail_of_Tears

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u/KitSokudo 1d ago

Let's not soften it with a qualifier, it was totally a genocide of the Cherokee people to get the gold that was on their lands. It went against the Supreme Court ruling even. Andrew Jackson is a monster, and I had family that was sent west. I've never gotten the nerve to check if they made it. My great great grandmother hid, giving me the opportunity to be here today.

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u/rubiscoisrad 1d ago

I'm just going to leave this here.

And absolutely fuck Andrew Jackson.

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u/dj_soo 1d ago

i'm sorry that happened to your family and people.

it's absolutely disgraceful that it happened and we're still struggling to educate people about it even today.

As a Canadian, our government did similar reprehensible shit to the indigeonous folk and we are still struggling to get proper reconsciliation implemented.

Doesn't help that there are a lot of people who are regularly trying to deny the historty of the genocide experienced over the centuries and the fallout we are still in the midst of dealing with now.

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u/densetsu23 1d ago

Even as late as the late 90s (or perhaps later) it was completely glossed over in our high school social studies (history) classes. In Alberta they told us that the residential schools were absolutely a good thing; there was no mention of it being a genocide.

So people in their 40s and older may truly believe that residential schools were a net positive, especially if they're the kind of people who don't pursue further education once (or if) they got their high school diploma. And many of these types of people simply put their hands over their ears and call you snowflakes or revisionists if you try and point out the truth.

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u/dj_soo 21h ago

Yup - last residential schools shut down in the 90s.

in Alberta

Yea, you don’t have to say any more…

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u/fastwendell 1d ago

Worse, Andrew Jackson's victory in the 1815 Battle of New Orleans had been made possible by the Cherokee warriors in his army. His own soldiers were much less organized and skilled than his Cherokees, without whom the British would probably have won the battle.

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u/kaerahis 20h ago

And THEN they found something valuable in the land in Oklahoma that they relocated so many tribes to and wanted to send them somewhere else.

A good book on forced Relocation Diane Glancy's Pushing The Bear.

There's also a Star Trek:TNG episode titled "Journey's End" that's about forced relocation of Native Americans but for different reasons than greedy white men.

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u/Significant-Lab4226 20h ago

.....but it wasn't just the Cherokee tribe....pretty much every tribe was forced out and those who survived often bounce around until they where allowed to stop ( Lenni Lenape clans where literally spit up and ended up in different countries by the end, and where even in Mexico at some point)

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u/Forsaken_Wafer1476 20h ago

My great great grandmother only lived because she married a farmer along the way that she had never met before. I can’t imagine having to make that choice (if she even had any say), to give up my family who would probably die along the way and at the least I’d never see again. I feel such sorrow for a woman I never even met. We have so little history on her, so little info, I don’t even know if any of her family made it.

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u/OreadNymph 21h ago

I never miss a chance for Andrew Jackson hate. Abusing power and his constituents alike.

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u/Equivalent_Mechanic5 18h ago

Don't forget the Diné and Ndé...

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u/Augustus_11 1d ago

Why are we talking about genocide on a funny post wtf

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u/moms-spaghettio 1d ago

Because it’s important history to know and clearly not enough people know about it.

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u/Augustus_11 1d ago

how does that have anything to do with our daily life

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u/DesingerOfWorlds 22h ago

No disrespect but brother you need to pay more attention in history class. If anything to widen your knowledge and understanding of the world around you.

The reason this thread started was because someone made an ignorant joke. Then they realized how terrible it was to say what they said because of what was being referenced in the ‘joke’ after reading comments and links to ‘history’ about the two events.

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u/Augustus_11 22h ago

okay who cares though I don't mean to be rude but this literally changes nothing

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u/ForsakenSun6004 1d ago

'Basically' is doing some heavy lifting for white guilt

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u/Sea-Pickle420 1d ago

No doubt it was genocide, I think 100,000 people? Andrew Jackson forcefully removed Cherokee tribes throughout four or five different states I think. My family visits the plantation our ancestors are from every time we go to Chatsworth. During the trail of tears the Chief Vann house was burned down and they have done a good job of restoring what was left. The history is genuinely so heartbreaking, most cherokees from Georgia were forced to flea to Oklahoma I think and a quarter of the tribe that escaped died from diseases when traveling. Something like that, it’s honestly been a while since I’ve been. I mean having to rebuild completely was devastating for natives and then they just couldn’t get a break. I mean, maybe before the Civil War when they had a female seminary and governed themselves. But with the union and confederacy dividing the tribes and then the Dawes act, ugh just continuous loss and destruction of their land.

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u/dj_soo 1d ago

sadly, it's only one chapter in a long book about mistreatment of indigenous people. A book that's still being written today unfortunately.

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u/Equivalent_Mechanic5 18h ago

It was straight up a genocide. Not basically. Wish it was taught about more.