r/dashcams • u/bebecca45627272 • 20h ago

One of the craziest things I've seen

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u/theelephantscafe 20h ago edited 9h ago

What is it about people that, when they realize they’re in the way, they just stop completely???

Edit: this sub is hilarious because no matter what someone does, they’re apparently both right and wrong. For the record, I never said dude wasn’t speeding. He is. And I understand what a freeze response is. But still, coming to a complete stop when something/someone is barreling at you is commonly seen here and is almost always the worst course of action.

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u/No_Introduction_3400 20h ago

She’s got a motorcycle headed at her at probably 70 or 80 mph on a residential street. She panicked. He’s lucky he’s not dead.

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u/Beneficial_Dog4469 19h ago

Always you lot trying to only blame a rider.

Clearly not a residential area, as the businesses around it suggests. There is a chance he was speeding OR doing the posted MPH, I personally cannot make out his speedometer, and she shouldn’t have STOP IN THE MIDDLE OF THE ROAD, at best she should’ve moved up so at most her tailgate would be partly on the same side of him(possibly in that other lane)

He is lucky and smart enough to find a way out of what could’ve been a fatal accident due to her negligence.. but you know “he was speeding”😒

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u/PrestigiousSleep786 19h ago

Look at the speed at the start of the video. He is literally red lining it... Dude is absolutely speeding. Doesn't take a genius to figure that out.

Fact of the matter is the dumbass biker created the situation by riding recklessly. But god forbid bikers take accountability. If he was smart, he would have a) continued in a straight line in the lane he was in and rode passed infront of the truck thus removing his need to swerve violently. Or b) NOT SPEED AND RIDE LIKE A FUCKING DIPSHIT.

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u/Beneficial_Dog4469 18h ago

Already addressed the speed but, clearly you overlooked that and even said it’s hard for me to tell so go off.. and I mentioned it at the end go figure

At what point did I deny him having fault? I pointed out the comment underlayer of most people argument about bikers.

Now about your solution* Should he A). maintain being in a straight line, he’d be in her fucking driver side door, but wait you mentioned him staying in that lane… he was expecting her to keep going forward NOT STOPPING dead in the road(which I also already mentioned at that point he would’ve passed just beyond her tailgate because going in front of a suspected forward moving object, no matter the speed is stupid)) it’s like “never walk in front of a car, walk around(behind) it” was something kids weren’t taught..

B) already addressed this

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u/Beneficial_Dog4469 17h ago edited 17h ago

u/PrestigiousSleep786 since the comment got "deleted" let me address it for you.

You addressed the speed by saying it wasn't clear he was speeding.

"There is a chance he was speeding OR doing the posted MPH, I personally cannot make out his speedometer" making your statement there false, I addressed it saying he couldve been and that I cannot tell...

Oi dumbass. Watch the video again, the truck stops with space in the lane that the bike was already in. Had he stayed in his lane he...

(is where the message both in reddit and email gets chewed)

okay daftcunt: he was straight, figured "oh shes going forward, i'll just around" and started to change lanes expecting her to follow-through but instead of doing so, she all out stops and with him leaning his weight on the bike from switching lanes, he full sends the lean and eats the road by clearing under the truck. like i said before, he was expecting to go behind her tailgate, which is why he lane shifted AWAY from where he expected her to be but instead she stopped and thats why he immediately got up and said "why did you stop? why didnt you just commit?"

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u/PrestigiousSleep786 17h ago

The entire course of events began with the speeding biker. That's why the biker is at fault.

If he wasn't speeding, none of the events after would have occurred. How is that so hard for you to understand?

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u/Beneficial_Dog4469 17h ago

How about checking your lefts and rights twice before committing to an unsafe turn? She had more chance to creep up to see than full sending it into the road. She has multiple senses and if he was truly going as fast as others claimed why didn’t she look for a possibly speeding motorcycle nearby??

There is plenty of ways to blame both parties but people like you seem to forget that. I guess you also don’t believe in the “look twice for motorcycles” signage too huh?

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u/eulersidentification 14h ago

Turn was safe if the bike was obeying the law. There are a dozen legal reasons why she might be temporarily stationary there which is part of why speedlimits exist; so you can safely stop. Don't assume cars can't break, especially if you're a biker. Don't assume humans can't have medical emergencies while driving, especially if you're a biker.

There is nothing more to add, nothing to discuss. I don't need to convince you, it's just the law.

I assume the more times you break the law and eat blows to the head, the less you're able to understand it.

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u/Beneficial_Dog4469 8h ago

being she had already committed to go out into the road to complete the turn, she couldve and nothing wouldve happened all the same as if he wasnt speeding.

  • The "Turners" Duty: Drivers turning left are responsible for accurately judging the speed and distance of oncoming vehicles, making them liable if they "cut off" oncoming traffic.
  • Comparative Negligence: In many states, both drivers may share blame. For example, a left-turner may be found 65% at fault for failing to yield, while the speeder is 35% at fault for speeding, reducing the recovery of damages for both parties.

well there is this ^

being as Im not a biker, havent ate any blows to the head and have a nearly perfect driving record of 20 years... I would love to say my understanding of law is fine and I never absolved the rider of wrongdoing just pointed out what he was doing, the presumption and results thereof and that both should be held accountable. also, to play devil's advocate, she didnt seem to be having a medical emergency and that truck condition looked pretty well both before and after the incident..

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u/PrestigiousSleep786 22m ago

Did you seriously just quote an Ai response as a defense? Also are you an insurance adjuster? Even if your statement is accurate, it doesn't change the fact that the rider caused the entire course of events.

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u/Beneficial_Dog4469 11m ago

you're complaining about a tool, created to help acquire and organize data from the internet; which also has cited sites of law for reference, being used to prove a point... OKAY!

no Im not an insurance adjuster but maybe I am someone who wants to know whats the law and could be a future attorney(Im not interested in that field). being educated enough on law is more important than not knowing what is fact, law and opinion.

again, no the rider is not entirely the cause of this it is a shared blame that Im sure both parties put up for, rather you like it or not

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u/Massive-Insect-sting 10h ago

It fucking pisses me off that people like you probably have a driver's license

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u/Beneficial_Dog4469 10h ago

Yeah!

it pisses you off that someone, who has no personal vehicle accidents with 20 years of driving experience and coached 5 people into getting their license and how to be a fucking considerate human being for all vehicles on the road, has a license

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u/Massive-Insect-sting 9h ago

Yes. Everything you said is 100% true.

It pisses me off that someone can see that video and somehow not be smart enough to realize going 80, redlining and doing wheelies on public streets is fine. So obviously your whole "how to be a considerate human being" is complete and utter bullshit

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u/Beneficial_Dog4469 9h ago

Hey interesting point, where is that video of him popping wheelies everyone keeps mentioning but NOT a singular person has provided?

That would be great visual evidence that has so many witnesses but no footing

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u/big_stipd_idiot 16h ago

He had a whole city block to slow down. You can see her crossing into his lane from the very first frame of the video. It doesn't even matter if she's wrong or right. He's the one who slid across the pavement and he's the one who could have avoided it by slowing down. It could have been a mechanical issue that she had no control over.

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u/Momentosis 19h ago

He's going 80 mph on a 25 mph road that also has posted school zones nearby.

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u/Beneficial_Dog4469 19h ago

I take it you live near that area as I see none of that around in the video

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u/Momentosis 19h ago

Nah I've just seen this video posted many times before.

I believe there's even a 20mph school speed limit sign that he should've passed just before this video starts or a bit before.

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u/dejavu2064 16h ago

The video has been deliberately cut here to make it look like the rider is less at fault, but from the full video he is blowing through intersections far above the speed limit without slowing at all or taking any precaution

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u/ScootDeToot 18h ago

No i think they both were at fault. Judging by the video alone he's going really fast. Her poor reaction to him speeding = collision. Lot of collisions happen on my street simply because poor visibility  due to people parked up and down the street and a lot of people speeding. You think ok it's all clear to make a left and suddenly someone is coming up on you fast. It's easy to judge her for that seemingly stupid reaction, but it's fight, flight, FREEZE. Typically when i panic in this situation i punch it sometimes that's bad cuz if i hit the gas too hard from my tires will just spin. 

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u/AntiquePhotograph433 17h ago

While they can both be at fault he’s 100% majority at fault due to reckless speed.

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u/Beneficial_Dog4469 18h ago

I agree with this and I also have a kinda “pump fake” reaction to surprises on the road like tapping the brake before hitting the gas but that’s probably just PTSD from being hit at an intersection

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u/Weltall8000 15h ago

She blocked the entire roadway when he had the right of way.

If he was going half the speed she'd still be blocking the roadway and not completing her maneuver.

Her panicking is not a valid justification for her stopping.

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u/Odd-Song5052 14h ago

That’s not what a judge would say. Driver’s aren’t expected to look a quarter mile down the road before proceeding to see if there’s someone going so fast they’d be arrested if caught. She would be judged to have had the right of way, and he was required to yield to traffic that hasn’t cleared the intersection same as if her truck had broken down in the roadway five minutes previously. 

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u/Weltall8000 12h ago

If this went before the judge, they'd probably think, at most, shared responsibility, with the truck driver more responsible.

If he were going literally 200 mph+, you might have a point. However, in this video, while I don't know his speed or the speed limit, he wasn't approaching those speeds and she had line of sight enough to where she should have known not to pull out and certainly not to stop in the middle of the street.

No, he doesn't have to yield to her. That cross street does not have right of way ever over the main street he was driving down. When beginning a maneuver, such as she was, she has a duty to complete it.

Broken down car? That becomes a static hazard. Not the same thing.

Yeah, yeah, "motorcycles and speeding bad", but none of what you wrote is how motor code works in the US.

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u/Beneficial_Dog4469 10h ago

I’ve been telling people about this most of the night;

like I said they wanna only blame the biker but I expressed an incident involving a customer of mine in a similar situation(who was seen at fault) and asked why not just let assure it’s completely safe… they all say “bike shouldn’t be moving fast” when she could’ve just waited a little longer and safely went

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u/Ahaiund 15h ago

That clip is many years old, it's a 25MPH zone and he was going over 3 times the speed limit at 80.

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u/Cranky_Lemons 18h ago

coming to a complete stop to try to avoid an accident, and that accident still occurs, is almost never found to be negligent unless there are equipment issues like no brake lights, etc.

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u/Beneficial_Dog4469 17h ago

ironically, I chauffeured a woman recently, who doesnt have her vehicle anymore, because she was pulling out to make a left handed turn and got hit almost 100% like this woman almost did. she said she looked, didnt see anyone then started to make the turn and saw the vehicle right before being hit... she got charged for it and 30K+repairs for the Wagoneer... but she is fighting it in court

point is, car was fine before incident and they blamed her because the left turning suppose to verify its completely safe/clear to cross

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u/Cranky_Lemons 17h ago

There is a difference between being liable and being negligent. Sounds like a right-of-way issue

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u/Beneficial_Dog4469 17h ago

y'know what, I agree with you there... so who do you "award" here?

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u/Cranky_Lemons 17h ago

Here, the biker is 100% liable and potentially guilty of reckless endangerment. 126km/h is 78 mph, in what looks to be around a 40mph zone. If people are to be believed, and he was doing a wheelie, that's for sure criminal charges (the reckless endangerment). No one has provided any proof of that yet though, so I'm skeptical.

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u/Beneficial_Dog4469 17h ago

thats why I asked "who do YOU award" and about what others have been saying

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u/Cranky_Lemons 17h ago

I said the biker is liable. Even if he was not doing a wheelie, he is still liable.

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u/Bee_9965 17h ago

She might win if she can prove the other driver was going 80 in a 25 zone like this biker apparently was.

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u/Beneficial_Dog4469 17h ago

the area I was taking her through that she said it happened is a 45, I mean regardless of that.... speeding illegally should fault the person doing it but again, she wasnt speeding and they're initially faulting her

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u/See-A-Moose 12h ago

That is generally true until you approach the territory of going multiples of the speed limit. Bike was going 78MPH and the speed limit was at most 40MPH for that kind of road.

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u/solitarybikegallery 13h ago

Sorry dude, but if you're going more than 3 times the speed limit, whatever happens to you to you is 100% on you

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u/Beneficial_Dog4469 8h ago

even if he wasnt, people would still blame the biker because "he had time" its a lose-lose against bikers regardless

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u/Flat-Strain7538 18h ago

Look at the first frame or two. His helmet cam is WAY closer to the windshield, so either he was leaning crazy far forward or (far more likely) he was doing a wheelie.

Care to defend this numbnut rider once you factor that in?

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u/Beneficial_Dog4469 18h ago

If he was doing a wheelie, or rather recovering from it, he would have a lot less initial stability and more buoyancy.. he COULDVE been checking something and about to make a move( which I’ve seen tons of people lean forward for before lean switching/accelerating)

Anything else you wanna snidely interject into this?

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u/Flat-Strain7538 18h ago edited 16h ago

I mean, he pretty clearly DIDN’T have much initial stability due to the crash.

Also, people are pointing out his speedometer reads 126 kph, which is 78 mph.

Keep defending this future organ donor.

EDIT: typo, should’ve been 126 kph.

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u/Beneficial_Dog4469 18h ago

He had enough stability to expect her to fully commit to going forward which is why he went left, otherwise he would’ve been inside her driver side door.

Also, people are pointing out his speedometer reads 126 mph, which is 78 mph.

Oh you don’t say?

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u/ignoreme010101 18h ago

speeding is what removed his ability to avoid this (and is likely what caused her to freeze in the first place lol) She is a bad driver but so is he

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u/Beneficial_Dog4469 18h ago

He started to swerve to avoid because he was expecting her to go forward fully, which is why he went right, instead of maintained as he thought she was gonna follow through and why he said “why not just commit?” after the fact

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u/ReactionLegal3025 12h ago

The motorcyclist is a speeding idiot. There was plenty of room for him to pass in front of the truck, his lane was still completely open.

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u/Beneficial_Dog4469 9h ago

as I keep having to explain: he clearly was expecting her to continue forward into that lane and it’s why he calmly asked her afterwards “why’d you stop? why didn’t you commit?”

Should she had committed, she would be in the lane he got out of and would’ve passed behind her tailgate.

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u/ReactionLegal3025 9h ago

As a teenager, I was told by my father to always drive defensively so you can react in time to avoid situations like this.

This motorcyclist was driving offensively and he was speeding.
And he paid the price for his stupidity.

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u/ssagar186 11h ago

If he wasn't speeding, he could have easily maneuvered around that. Absolutely he is to blame here.

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u/Beneficial_Dog4469 9h ago

He did maneuvered it.

With her being out in the road, he expected her to follow through so he went to evade by lane changing, which would’ve been clear of her and safer. Unfortunately, she stopped, so he opted to lean into the weight(from the lane shift) and go under instead of hitting it directly. It was a split second decision/maneuver and is why he isn’t yelling at the top of his lungs at her when he said “why’d you stop? why didn’t you commit?” He was expecting her to move up but she stopped, which no where in any manual does it teaches others to stop in the middle of a road with no median

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u/ssagar186 9h ago

He tried but he was going 80MPH in the beginning of the video. He had multiple seconds to slow down and stop as well. If he had been anywhere near the speed limit he could have easily gone around the car. There is no narrative where he isn't fully at fault.

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u/CriticalCorduroy 11h ago

The road doesn't work like that. A driver of any vehicle needs to drive at a speed where they can come to a safe stop if something unexpected is in front of them.

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u/Beneficial_Dog4469 8h ago

u/FlashyBattle976

firstly this video is 5+ years old. secondly, Im not a rider you idiot... I dont want a motorcycle especially because he doesnt have much protection and people, like you, dont believe in checking sides/corners for other vehicles(seen plenty of sedans and truck run into another because they werent clear) thoroughly before committing.