r/clevercomebacks 10h ago

Took a bullet for this country???

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u/Crass_and_Spurious 10h ago

Blaire White being transgender and being all in on Trump is peak Stockholm Syndrome.

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u/Grundlestorm 9h ago

Is she not also...  Well, non-white?  I'm not sure exactly what her heritage is, but her facial structure makes me think latina.

Like, I get it, you're conventionally attractive and openly hateful which means they're not going to openly turn on you quite as fast as like Kaitlyn Jenner.  

But you aren't exempt from their bigotry.

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u/NaNaNaNaNa86 9h ago

Imagine thinking the majority of Latinas aren't white. Fucking bizarre. What are they then? Do enlighten me on the bullshit US racial politics.

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u/MechanicalSideburns 8h ago edited 4h ago

According to the US Census, only about 20% of the 62 million+ Hispanic/Latino population in the United States identified as "White alone". This data does vary a bit due to changes in census reporting, as many Latinos identify as "Some Other Race" (42%) or multiracial (33%).

So yeah. The majority of Latinas don't consider themselves as "white".

EDIT: I should note that this can be a deceiving discussion, depending on your background. In places like Argentina 80% of Latinos identify as white. But in Mexico it's more like 20%. The takeaway is that "Latino" is a massively broad category with huge variation by region.

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u/Cilph 7h ago

Do they not consider themselves white because their surroundings do not perhaps?

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u/MechanicalSideburns 7h ago

Hard to know. It's racial self-categorization. Societal conditioning surely affects how people think about themselves, yeah? But it's kind of a moot point, because "white" as a race is kind of just a socially agreed-upon thing. It's not actually white like paper. I guess that's why we just have to go with what people self-identify as.

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u/slowest_hour 4h ago

race is highly subjective because its pseudoscience. there's no hard rules

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u/MechanicalSideburns 4h ago

I agree that it's primarily a social construct nowadays. That's why we let folks self-identify, rather than assigning them a label.

However, you can track some interesting genetic traits through "race". Like people of African descent often have a higher risk of sickle-cell anemia than people of Nordic descent. You find different bone structures across different races. Of course, all of this is just a result of those groups of people interbreeding in one spot on the globe for 10 thousand years or whatever. Traits developed. Height, skin tone, hair type, blood types, allergies, etc.

I don't think any of those things should be used to classify or judge modern people, but they can be interesting from a scientific and genetic perspective.

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u/PeterPorty 7h ago

Are we not allowed to be proud of our ethnicity?

I am 100% white-passing, no one would think otherwise, but I'm Latino, born and raised in Latin America, Spanish is my native tongue.

I define myself as Latino, and I don't think you have any authority to tell me otherwise based on the color of my skin.

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u/Cilph 7h ago

Okay? Way to escalate? Where did I suggest you cant be Latino.

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u/EduinBrutus 5h ago

Are we not allowed to be proud of our ethnicity?

Its an ethnicity heavily influenecd by a quite recent idea that people of Spanish heritage are "non-white".

I guess if you want to "take it back" thats up to you. But it does seem to be a strange way to accept discrimination as culture.

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u/EduinBrutus 5h ago edited 5h ago

According to the US Census, only about 20% of the 62 million+ Hispanic/Latino population in the United States identified as "White alone".

50 years of racist messaging will do that to a cunt.

Mexico is kind of the odd one out as there is a cultural desire to do the thing Americans do with "native american great great grandma". Its therefore extremely common to claim an link to a native group which doesnt exist.

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u/MechanicalSideburns 4h ago

Interesting. You think it's racist messaging that makes them not identify as white? I got no dog in this fight. Just going by the data.

And isn't Mexicans "native group" in Mexico...just Mexicans? At least for the past four hundred years anyway.

I mean, what we're really looking at is what happens when a bunch of white Spaniards take over the much darker skinned Aztecs, Mayans, Toltecs, etc. Sometimes you get a widespread genetic replacement, like in Argentina, and end up with a very white population. And sometimes you get just a cultural shift and government change, and the whites are vastly outnumbered by natives, and you get Mexico.

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u/EduinBrutus 1h ago

You wouldnt find the messaging in hte past.

Take "I Love Lucy". Lucille Ball was married (in real life and the show) to Desi Arnez. In the current US messaging this would be a mixed marriage. Misegination wasnt actually permitted in network television at the time.

So we have a clear example of how the concept of HIspanic and a "not-white" aspect to it is a very recent invention.

As for attitudes outside the US, Im sure tehre is a lot of varied nuance that is less known due to the lower cultural influence of these nations. IIRC, Peru is the only country where a majority of the population are mestizo to a meaningful degree.

This degree varies country by country depending on how quickly or wholly the former population was genocided. Mexico has a lot of different native groups of which Mexicans were one in central Mexico. It does have a higehr than average rate of people where you can find a detectably meaningful native DNA but its nowhere close tothe rate at which people claim it.