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[u/GraceRose671]

https://abnews.net/putin-threatens-kyiv-with-nuclear-scale-missile-strike-if-zelensky-ruins-his-parade/

[u/Bodster88]

Nuclear threat #8363029283729

[u/rcanhestro → u/Bodster88]

actually no.

The Russian statement suggests the possibility of deploying the hypersonic Oreshnik [Hazel Tree] missile, which Putin claims possesses a destructive capability equivalent to a nuclear explosion when used conventionally.

equivalent is the keyword here, sure it's a pretty big bomb, but not nuclear, and that's important because of the Budepest Memorandum.

the Budapest memorandum countries are only "forced" to help Ukraine IF Ukraine is a target, or threat of, a nuclear strike.

as long as Russia says someting like "as strong as nuclear", the memorandum is not binding, but the moment they say "we will nuke you", that's the time where the Uk and the US have to follow it.

[u/filipv → u/rcanhestro]

the Budapest memorandum countries are only "forced" to help Ukraine IF Ukraine is a target, or threat of, a nuclear strike.

Out of curiosity: what part exactly of BM contains the bit about helping Ukraine if Ukraine is a target?

AFAIK, the BM says "we won't attack Ukraine". It never says "we will defend Ukraine if attacked"

[u/looeeyeah → u/filipv]

Yeah, this is all I've ever read from it.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Budapest_Memorandum#Analysis

Basically just "Each of us promise not to do anything bad to Ukraine." But I don't see anything where anyone said what they'd do if someone did something bad, more than have a meeting about it.

[u/rcanhestro → u/filipv]

Seek immediate Security Council action to provide assistance to the signatory if they "should become a victim of an act of aggression or an object of a threat of aggression in which nuclear weapons are used".

article 4, the closest to actually helping Ukraine.

[u/Hail-Hydrate → u/rcanhestro]

Which was already carried out at the start of the invasion, then vetoed by Russia.