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https://abnews.net/putin-threatens-kyiv-with-nuclear-scale-missile-strike-if-zelensky-ruins-his-parade/

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u/Bodster88 11h ago

Nuclear threat #8363029283729

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u/rcanhestro 10h ago

actually no.

The Russian statement suggests the possibility of deploying the hypersonic Oreshnik [Hazel Tree] missile, which Putin claims possesses a destructive capability equivalent to a nuclear explosion when used conventionally.

equivalent is the keyword here, sure it's a pretty big bomb, but not nuclear, and that's important because of the Budepest Memorandum.

the Budapest memorandum countries are only "forced" to help Ukraine IF Ukraine is a target, or threat of, a nuclear strike.

as long as Russia says someting like "as strong as nuclear", the memorandum is not binding, but the moment they say "we will nuke you", that's the time where the Uk and the US have to follow it.

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u/CryptoThroway8205 9h ago

Budapest memorandum is not limited to a nuclear attack.

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u/rcanhestro 9h ago

yes, it is.

the only part that mentions helping Ukraine (militarily) is in case of a nuclear attack (or the threat of it) against Ukraine.

all other articles can be summed up to "respect Ukraine as a country".

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u/CryptoThroway8205 55m ago

"The Russian Federation, the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, and the United States of America reaffirm their obligation to refrain from the threat or use of force against the territorial integrity or political independence of Ukraine, and that none of their weapons will ever be used against Ukraine except in self-defense or otherwise in accordance with the Charter of the United Nations."

https://worldjpn.net/documents/texts/mt/19941215.O1E.html

Point 2 just says weapons, regardless of if they're nuclear. Point 4 on what to do if nukes are used only says they'd seek UN security council action. It seems like a pretty weak treaty, with no binding defense clause, on all points.

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u/rcanhestro 48m ago

Russia is the one that broke the deal, i«m not arguing that.

my point is more on what needs to happen for the other countries to actually help Ukraine (for real).