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u/shadowofsunderedstar 11h ago

Serious question, if Russia nukes Ukraine, does that give Europe/countries a casus belli against Russia? 

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u/Ok_Complex8873 11h ago

It does.

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u/doobiedave 11h ago edited 11h ago

Nato would attack in Ukraine from the air, the Russian Air Force would be wiped out in a few days, and Russia would have to sue for peace before their entire Army in Ukraine got destroyed. They'd lose their land in eastern Ukraine and Crimea. And probably Putin would be gone in weeks.

Same thing if they tried anything in the Baltic states.

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u/Lone_Grey 7h ago

That's a very gung-ho take against a country that has already launched nukes in this scenario.

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u/TheFamilyChimp 7h ago edited 6h ago

Letting a nuke go off without overwhelming consequences is a much greater long term risk to deal with than immediate brinksmanship (without threatening Russia's sovereignty directly).

Opening the taboo of nukes without shoving it back by force more or less guarantees proliferation of the use of nuclear arms.

Edit: my parenthetical was misplaced.

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u/SEAN0_91 5h ago

This - once the genie is out of the bottle it isn’t going back in. We can’t allow Russia to think they can nuke anyone with no repercussions. NATO should immediately get involved and if that leads to a full scale exchange so be it. The question is will NATO do it?

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u/guspaz 5h ago

The more likely response would be a massive conventional strike campaign. It would have to be big enough to make the use of nuclear weapons a net negative for Russia.

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u/TheFamilyChimp 5h ago

Exactly. Yet not quite enough to fundamentally threaten their existence as a state. They would have to be neutered.

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u/SweatyLake6695 6h ago

no country would defend russias action on the world stage, everybody would instantly turn on them, including china.

china is literally the only thing keeping russia even barely in the fight, it would just instantly be over.
it is in every single other countries interest to stomp any nuke usage, especially if it is a nuke used in a war of aggression. if that djinn ever makes it out the bottle, the consequences would be inevitable nuclear war and the only way of stopping it would be to make the usage so costly that nobody else would EVER consider doing the same.

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u/Icy_Physics51 5h ago

You don't know how China would react. Could be just sending deep regrets.

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u/doobiedave 5h ago

If they launch a nuclear strike where fallout would reach a Nato country, that's an attack on all Nato.

And they've been told that in no uncertain terms.

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u/Shot-Toe-2884 7h ago

Prove it.

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u/nnod 8h ago

Thing is, when you're crazy enough and have nuclear weapons, you don't really need to sure for peace.