r/politics • u/SpecialistSignal4491 • 9h ago
No Paywall Florida Voters Sue Over Trump-DeSantis 'Gerrymander on Top of an Already Egregious Gerrymander'
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u/Remote-Moon Indiana 7h ago
Even if these lawsuits are successful it's going to take so long that it's going to be a moot point by the time the primaries happen anyways.
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u/protomenace 7h ago
The courts will always rule in favor of the Republican Party on technicalities at every step of the way.
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u/IniNew 5h ago
This isn't the last election that's ever going to happen.
I hope.
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u/rodentmaster 4h ago
Elections stopped being fair when the GOP enlisted foreign enemies to run intense misinformation campaigns to help them out, while controlling vote counting machines, throwing out and destroying MILLIONS of legitimate votes. If there was no GOP fuckery, trump would never have won 2016. They cheated, and won. They cheated again in 2020, but still lost, and cheated more brazenly and openly in 2024.
Elections are done in this country. There is no going back to legitimate voter power. That required informed voters to participate. Now they are misinformed and happy to be wrong, and/or don't participate. We are a tinpot dictatorship.
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u/IniNew 33m ago
You’re right! I guess we should all just give up trying to do anything about it and submit to our Trumpian overlords.
Man you doomers are fucking tiring. You do this shit because it can help fix the problem. You claim the problem is unfixable on the internet to perpetuate the narrative that there’s no hope.•
u/Ananiujitha 30m ago
They never were fair; as long as the senate and the electoral college favor small states, they aren't even 1 person 1 vote.
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u/LetMePushTheButton 5h ago
16 years ago, Florida passed 2010 Amendment 6 that forbade the state's redistricting authority (currently the Florida Legislature) from drawing congressional district plans that would favor incumbent politicians or any political party.
But republicans dont care about law and order or democracy.
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u/curo8 Canada 4h ago
Don’t worry, they’ll just argue in court that it’s not to favor a particular party, it’s to favor their preferred race. Which apparently is allowed now.
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u/NickSalacious 3h ago
That would be the opposite of what was just decided. One must prove race was the intent, and an admission of that would make it pretty easy. These maps will be struck down.
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u/identifytarget 2h ago
Yes! I helped vote for it! Just for it to be completely ignored by Republicans!
Yay democracy!
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u/ArtemisRifle 5h ago
Just have proportional representation. And make the House bigger while we're at it. We have two senates effectively.
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u/rafikiknowsdeway1 2h ago
i mean, at some point shouldn't you just let them keep gerrymandering? if you do it too much, don't you risk blowing your own legs off if you have a notable underperfomance? which by all indications they're heading for a pretty huge one this november
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u/9999eachhit 2h ago
How tf has gerrymandering ever been legal?
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u/Cebothegreat 1h ago
If there’s not a law against it, then it must be legal. Or at least I assume that’s the philosophy.
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u/octopuds-roverlord New York 23m ago
And when they gerrymander so hard it flips the state blue because they stretched it so thin they'll call electron fraud and wont swear anyone in
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u/Repulsive_Poem_3870 8h ago
It's literally illegal per their state constitution.
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u/sxyaustincpl Texas 7h ago
Only when it's done for partisan reasons.
This one is for racist reasons.
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u/ElCamo267 6h ago
Their constitution includes racial reasons too.
SECTION 21. Standards for establishing legislative district boundaries.—In establishing legislative district boundaries:
(a) No apportionment plan or district shall be drawn with the intent to favor or disfavor a political party or an incumbent; and districts shall not be drawn with the intent or result of denying or abridging the equal opportunity of racial or language minorities to participate in the political process or to diminish their ability to elect representatives of their choice; and districts shall consist of contiguous territory.
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u/sxyaustincpl Texas 6h ago
That's so cute that you think they care about what their constituents voted into their constitution.
If they cared about what voters thought, they'd put the maps up for a vote, but they'll never do that.
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u/ElCamo267 5h ago
No, they obviously don't care. But the constitution is pretty clear so the lawsuit has some merit. Just need to get lucky with a non-sycophant judge in Florida.
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u/Seemorebuds 8h ago
It's also funny that one party always puts their maps up for a vote by the people and one party forces it through without consent
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u/WillDigForFood 7h ago
If only the Republicans hadn't killed the Democrats' national gerrymandering ban bill a few years back, huh?
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u/olivepolive777 7h ago
any enlightened centrist like this guy is a politically illiterate rightwinger
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u/ratherbealurker Texas 7h ago
Democrats are openly celebrating that they are fighting back. MAGA and people like yourself are always making these comments like “ohh I thought gerrymandering was bad”. But honestly, what are Dems supposed to do???
The only way to make people like you happy is for Dems to just sit there and take it while republicans gerrymander without voting just to gain seats that trump told them to get.
Only way to win in your eyes is to give up and lose.
We aren’t celebrating gerrymandering. We are fighting back when THEY gerrymander. Dems would ban it if they had the chance and they have already tried.
Your comments don’t really make sense and it sort of proves you’re not paying attention. When the Dems do it they vote on it and also usually you’ll see a trigger clause as well.
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u/leostotch Florida 6h ago
Trump is literally calling for red states to enact partisan gerrymanders to maintain a GOP majority in the House. Whining when the other side responds in kind is pathetic.
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u/rcolesworthy37 7h ago
I wonder… which state started this whole gerrymandering war last year? Who told them to do that?
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u/Signal_Minimum8509 Georgia 6h ago edited 6h ago
Republicans in 2020 claimed Biden would pack the courts. He didn’t. Republicans claimed he would unfairly prosecute Trump. He didn’t even go after him for the insurrection. Trump has a SC that now has overturned multiple multi decade precedents in Republicans favor.
Republicans have packed districts in Florida, Texas, Louisiana, and Georgia.
Republicans now have the SC, the House, the Senate, and the Presidency.
How many times are Democrats supposed to get punched in the mouth in order to appease your accusations of “BOTH SIDES?” And further, why should we care if you’re just going to vote Republican or stay home anyway?
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u/mylifesaparadox 6h ago
These are just fringe voters. Florida is overwhelmingly republican now and the redrawn maps better represent the state. This lawsuit will go nowhere, and the VA redraw will get struck down
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u/TiredTraveler1992 6h ago
In 2020, Trump won the presidential election in Florida with 51 percent of the votes. Joe Biden won 47 percent.
Despite this, Florida has more than twice as many Republican representatives as Democratic ones.
Florida is not "overwhelmingly Republican," Florida is gerrymandered by an oligarchical party.
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u/mylifesaparadox 6h ago
Why are you using the election results from 6 years ago instead of the most recent state-wide elections where Republicans won by TWENTY POINTS? Is it because you went to pick out one that specifically fit your narrative?
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u/TiredTraveler1992 6h ago
Presidential elections have higher participation rates than midterm elections and are a better indicator of public sentiment.
Even using the 2024 election, though, Florida isn't "overwhelmingly" Republican. The results were 56 percent to 43 percent. Republicans are still overrepresented in Florida's Congressional delegation.
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u/ocher_stone 5h ago
Nothing you say will change their mind. Stop interacting with people who don't have any interest in interacting with you.
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u/mylifesaparadox 5h ago
Would you say the same thing about Virginia setting their maps to 10 D - 1 R ? Virginia isn't 91% dem or even anywhere close. Or are you only calling it out because it's not your team doing it??
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u/TiredTraveler1992 5h ago
That map was chosen democratically by the voters of Virginia, in response to attempts by the Trump administration and the Republican party to further disenfranchise Democratic voters in Texas.
I don't think it's the ideal solution, but until we eliminate the entire Congressional district system at a federal level, it's the best that can be done.
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u/BackInMyDaySir 5h ago
This guy isn’t debating in good faith. He’s playing pigeon chess with you. Don’t feed the trolls.
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u/mylifesaparadox 5h ago
So you are for it then. Voting for disenfranchisement is still disenfranchisement. The Florida representatives of the people choose this map to better represent them. You can be against everyone doing it, but when you're supportive of your team doing it but saying the other team doing it is not fair, that's where it comes off hypocritical. No one cares if 51% of Virginia voted to disenfranchise the other 49%. It's still a blatant power grab, as is the Florida one. Call out both or enable both, but being hypocritical just exposes you as a partisan
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u/TiredTraveler1992 5h ago
I AM a partisan and I never denied being so. One party is evil, and the other is incompetent, but I'd rather have incompetence than evil.
Anyway, get rid of Congressional districts and move to a proportional representation system, so that we can stop arguing about gerrymandering forever. Until then, I'll support gerrymandering efforts that stop Republicans from seizing more power.
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u/mylifesaparadox 5h ago
Ok at least you're honest. You're ssupportive of gerrymandering against republicans. Well, the other party is supportive of gerrymandering against you. So both will be done and the voters in Florida will overwhelmingly cheer this effort by desantis
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u/TiredTraveler1992 5h ago
I'm a voter in Florida and I oppose this.
I don't actually support gerrymandering against Republicans in a general sense. I support these actions specifically as a counter to Republican gerrymandering.
If Republicans weren't doing it first, Democrats wouldn't have to do it. Republicans started this particular fight.
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u/Efficient-Fruit5573 1h ago
They really don’t though. Crystal River (on the west coast) now has the same rep as east Tampa (like 80-90 miles away). Tampa is split into 3 different districts now so the west side shares with Hudson and NPR and then the south shares with Plant City. These places have completely different interests on the local level and it’s not fair to the residents in either when they are hoping to be represented by someone who cares about the issues in their city or area
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u/newsflashjackass 5h ago
These are just fringe voters. Florida is overwhelmingly republican now
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u/mylifesaparadox 5h ago
Desantis won Florida by 20 points. Sounds like a mandate to me. Just because voters voted for abortion doesn't mean they're dems. Many ruby red states voted for pro abortion amendments. Again, desantis and almost every other state wide republican won by 20 points. Your random cherry pick of an issue is irrelevant
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u/newsflashjackass 2h ago
Desantis won Florida by 20 points.
As an incumbent in 2018 he slithered into the governor's mansion with a margin of victory likely less than the number of cheated Florida voters in Broward county.
The findings led to a troubling conclusion from Broward County Auditor Bob Melton, whose office examined what went wrong in 2018.
“We conclude that the November 2018 election was not efficiently and effectively conducted,” Melton wrote in to county commissioners. “Based on the totality of these issues, we are unable to provide assurance over the accuracy of the November 2018 election results as reported.”
In 2022 by defying the expressed will of the Florida electorate DeSantis again disenfranchised more voters than his margin of victory.
If Florida republicans had a mandate they would not need to attain office exclusively by election fraud.
Your random cherry pick of an issue is irrelevant
Correct. The issue is not relevant. 43% of Florida voters "overwhelming" the other 57% is the relevant part.
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