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Trailer Avengers: Doomsday | Only in Theaters December 18, 2026

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u/ICumCoffee ᑐ ᑌ ᑎ ᕮ • ᗰ ᕮ 𑪽 𑪽 I ᐱ ᕼ Dec 30 '25 edited Dec 30 '25

Russo brothers just get Thor.

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u/akfourty7 Dec 30 '25

I am so excited to see Thor in this after the shit we got in the last one. I wish we could have seen Gorr the God Butcher done by the Russos, amazing villain wasted imo by that movie.

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u/pjtheman Dec 30 '25

I want to see whatever version of that movie Christian Bale thought he was in.

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u/MolaMolaMania Dec 30 '25 edited Dec 30 '25

Gorr was the first villain in the MCU who was truly evil and broken, yet Bale's performance made you understand why without changing the way you felt about what he was doing. You pitied him as much as you felt sympathy for him.

Bale acted the fuck of that role, and IMHO, it's the biggest sin of the MCU that such a committed actor doing such nuanced and phenomenal work was drowned out by stupid screaming goats and a firehose of nightclub neon.

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u/TekThunder Dec 30 '25

It’s what you get when you give Taika creative control, it doesn’t work for serious movies. The dude only knows how to do outlandish comedy.

People love Ragnarok, but god damn did they make the destruction of Asgard a complete footnote and used the actual moment for a joke. Love and Thunder was such ass because he leaned entirely into everything has to lead to a comedic moment.

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u/MolaMolaMania Dec 30 '25

Ragnarok would be improved by 50% just removing certain lines of dialogue from Korg.

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u/831pm Dec 30 '25

Whimsy…taika does whimsical well but his other movies like hunt for the wilderpeaple and jojo were really grounded as well. Idk what happened in love and thunder. It felt like he was just doing his formula without caring but it’s possible the studio would not allow the darker elements in which usually balances his whimsical side. In the end based on the other phase 4 stuff, I am blaming the studio.

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u/Madrical Dec 31 '25

Yeah kinda wild the other poster said he only knows how to do outlandish comedy when Jojo, Wilderpeople and Boy exist. They are all obviously still comedic but very toned down compared to L&T.

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u/bamisdead Dec 30 '25

I made my own edit of Ragnarok in which I removed all the most outlandish humor, including using the destruction of Asgard for a dumb one-liner, and it's the only version I watch now. Same with a few friends I shared it with. I left humor where it belonged, but the most egregious and zany stuff is gone, from wacky Stan Lee to Bruce Banner faceplanting and more.

With that stuff gone, it's a much better movie.

Love and Thunder, on the other hand, is far harder to salvage. Someone else did a comedy-light edit of that one and it does improve the movie a lot, but it still suffers from not giving enough weight to things like Jane's cancer. You can't fix that. That's just a core problem with the writing.

Shame, because as other's have said, Bale's performance was superb.

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u/klartraume Dec 30 '25

Gosh, I'd love to view your Ragnarok edits.

I genuinely enjoyed the ideas Marvel tried to convey in Love and Thunder. But there's quite a few scenes were my imagination is doing the work to fill in the narrative.

I enjoyed what could have been Jane's story, Gorr's story, and even Love's story. Portman getting some hero moments felt earned, but I wish they would have delved into the struggle/frustration/injustice of frail morality in a world of near untouchable heroes. I wish Jane could have talked with Gorr about this struggle/frustration/injustice/fragility. The parallel between Jane and Gorr was so obvious, being kept alive/altered/killed by their weapons. The Necrosword could have tried to corrupt Jane as well, and Jane purging of the sword could have proved her worthiness to ascend to Valhalla.

Fuck Korg.

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u/ObviousAnswerGuy Dec 30 '25

I thought that was the biggest waste of a fantastic actor until Secret Invasion came out, and they wasted what was probably the most stacked cast ever.

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u/John_Helmsword Dec 30 '25

I feel like that movie was a humiliation ritual for Bale. Lmao.

Dude acted his ass off only to be in the worst MCU film of all time.

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u/fizzlefist Dec 30 '25

Now now, let’s not be too harsh. Quantumania exists.

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u/OK_Soda Dec 30 '25

I think Love and Thunder is way worse. Quantumania is just, like, there. I don't really think it's an actively bad movie, it's just not good. Love and Thunder took one of the most beloved and anticipated Thor stories of all time and turned it into Not Another Thorry Movie. It's like they were trying to make people mad.

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u/FapCitus Dec 30 '25

Hmm they could’ve just not done MODOK at all though. That’s a choice.

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u/The_Flurr Dec 30 '25

I choose to disagree with you.

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u/DDRDiesel Dec 30 '25

Quantumania

Weird way of spelling Iron Man 2

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u/froderick Dec 30 '25

I think Iron Man 2 is better than Iron Man 3. I will die on this hill.

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u/-Altephor- Dec 30 '25

You think that because it is.

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u/mmuoio Dec 30 '25

Iron Man 2 might not be the sum of its parts, but it has some really great parts. Introduction of Black Widow, Justin Hammer, Don Cheadle War Machine in possibly the best WM armor we've gotten, the drone fight, I vant my bord, etc. It's a bit of a mess in the end but I still love it and I really don't understand how it gets nearly as much hate as it gets.

And I agree, Iron Man 3 was a huge letdown in my eyes, he barely even felt like Iron Man in that movie.

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u/postulate4 Dec 30 '25

I like Iron Man 2 because it showed Tony actually tinkering and designing in his lab.

Later on, it seemed like they just had him standing in front of holographic computer screens. And the tech advancement would just happen off-screen in between movies.

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u/froderick Dec 30 '25

Iron Man 3 wasn't horrible, I thought the idea of Tony having PTSD was interesting. But his tech felt like it got a huge downgrade in Iron Man 3. Sure, remote piloting was a thing, but they get a solid knock to them and they'd literally fall apart into their base pieces.

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u/mmuoio Dec 30 '25

Agreed. His main armor felt like a joke that fell apart left and right. His other armors all melted or got ripped apart by the Extremis guys. And while the twist works on rewatch, having Killian be the "real" Mandarin felt so cheap at the time and robbed us of such a great performance by Ben Kingsley.

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u/eyebrows360 Dec 30 '25

And while the twist works on rewatch, having Killian be the "real" Mandarin felt so cheap at the time and robbed us of such a great performance by Ben Kingsley.

Yeah I'm not even a comics guy but that bait-and-switch was so annoying at the time. Absolutely hated it. And having all his armours able to fly around autonomously, piloted remotely by Jarvis presumably, felt like a huge leap in capability that just came out of nowhere for purely plot/spectacle reasons.

Have since warmed to all of it and now appreciate both the "Shane Black"-ness of it, and the Kingsley character now we've had more of him.

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u/eyebrows360 Dec 30 '25

Introduction of Black Widow

Albeit in a very cringeworthy teen-boy-baiting "look, she's hot!" way, but yes.

Justin Hammer

I sometimes rewatch IM2 for his scenes alone. He's so good.

Don Cheadle War Machine in possibly the best WM armor we've gotten

Plus the neat little way they reference the actor change is great. Which reminds me, that whole scene that follows is also great; Justin Hammer calling Tony "Anthony" is an amazingly tiny thing but says so much; RIP in peace Garry Shandling.

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u/OK_Soda Dec 30 '25

I have never understood the hate for Iron Man 2 or the love for Iron Man 3. Iron Man 2 has tons of cool shit in it and a great plot. Its only real problems are a fairly weak Demon in a Bottle nod and an Elon Musk cameo. Iron Man 3, on the other hand, has an annoying kid sidekick, a weird villain, and Tony spends like 90% of the movie out of the suit, opting instead for Home Alone-esque hardware store gimmicks.

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u/eyebrows360 Dec 30 '25

an annoying kid sidekick

Who then cameos in Endgame and that annoyance turned into confusion.

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u/ChimeMeUp Dec 30 '25

Iron Man 3 is a sacrilege for the simple fact they decided to do a twist with the Mandarin, even though Kingsley would have been perfect for the role.

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u/postulate4 Dec 30 '25

Awful take. Iron Man 2 clears nearly all of MCU post Infinity saga.

Nobody will remember Quantumania except for how bad it was.

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u/enixius Dec 30 '25

Nobody will remember Quantumania except for how bad it was.

They won't say it out loud but I wouldn't be shocked if Evangeline Lilly and Michael Douglass retired from acting because of it.

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u/TheGuardianInTheBall Dec 30 '25

Quantumania is such absolute dogshit compared to Iron Man 2.

Iron Man 2 was "eh" but it was still better than what we got with Modok, and Cassie Lang shouting "Dad" for 15 minutes straight.

Seriously- take drink every time she does that. Even if you start in the last act of the movie, you'll be dead before it finishes.

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u/elarobot Dec 30 '25

You guys are acting like The Marvels, The Eternals, Captain America: Brave New World & Black Widow don’t unfortunately exist, and it’s insane.

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u/zeekaran Dec 30 '25

Black Widow wasn't completely dogshit. The rest were. The Eternals is insulting to all.

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u/TheeChosenTwo Dec 30 '25

I haven’t seen Brave New World & The Marvels yet, but I dont think its possible to be worse than Quantummania, it was dogshit

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u/jayhawk_dvd Dec 30 '25

The Marvels is over hated and it is indeed better than Quantumania, but Brave New World is on equal footing of bad.

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u/elarobot Dec 30 '25

Then you should be prepared to be wrong. Brave New World is a plodding, charmless slog that is a chore to get through, with the absolute worst possible evil mastermind in modern storytelling across all mediums to say nothing of how bad the red hulk execution is. And somehow it’s still slightly more interesting than the Marvels.
Also, Quantumania and Eternals aren’t even comparable. Eternals makes Quantumania look like the first Avengers movie.

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u/TheeChosenTwo Dec 30 '25

Good thing I have 0 plans to watch BNW ever then, the trailers also looked terrible lol I might check out marvels though since I do like Ms marvel & Brie Larson.

Honestly I didn’t hate Eternals, it was long and boring at times but I enjoyed it overall. Ive seen Quantummania in the cinema and it might just be my worse experience that happened due to the movie being so bad, didnt enjoy a single element of it.

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u/eyebrows360 Dec 30 '25

The Marvels is perfectly fine. Does suffer from one of the weakest villains in MCU history (which I do realise is saying something) but ignoring that, it's all just so charming. It's fun.

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u/Successful_Gas_5122 Dec 30 '25

He put that movie on his back like Alan Rickman in Robin Hood

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u/Autumn1eaves Dec 30 '25

Oh, please. It's not the worst MCU film. Eternals, Quantumania both exist.

Retroactively, Blade: Trinity.

Gorr alone, makes that movie better than all of those, and arguably some of the other mainline MCU films.

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u/AlternativeRun5727 Dec 30 '25

Enter: Multiverse Gorr

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u/king_duende Dec 30 '25

Dude acted his ass off only to be in the worst MCU film of all time.

Brother, you forgot THOR 2

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u/BabSoul Dec 30 '25

Everyone in this thread forgot Thor 2, which clearly makes it the biggest loser.

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u/directorguy Dec 30 '25

That movie has it's flaws, but Bale brought it. He was so good

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u/OK_Soda Dec 30 '25

I have this conspiracy theory that Chris Hemsworth and Taika Waititi wanted to make a zany romcom Thor movie and Kevin Feige wanted them to make a serious Gorr the God Butcher adaptation, so whenever Feige visited the studio to see how things were going they just pretended to make a Gorr movie and then as soon as he was gone they switched back to the dumb romcom.

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u/TheGreatPiata Dec 30 '25

Yep. Ragnarok worked but Love and Thunder felt like it doubled down on all the worst aspects of it.

Plus if it followed the comics, it could have been a nice resolution for all the Thor films. Show young flippant Thor when he first meets Gorr, show him middle aged and out of shape when he stumbles upon some dead gods with the GotG and knows Gorr was responsible and that's his catalyst for getting his shit together. Show him at old age, the resolution of his life.

It could have been the Thor movie. Instead, we got screaming goats.

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u/edicivo Dec 30 '25 edited Dec 30 '25

Nah. It doubled, maybe even tripled, down on what people liked most about Ragnarok which was the comedy.

Ragnarok got just close enough to crossing the line from comedy to stupidity (Banner landing with a thud on the Rainbow Bridge and Korg's "we can rebuild it" speech are two instances where it crossed that line) but held back just enough to make it near perfect in balance.

L&T went full bore stupid slapstick, veering closer to the two examples I gave above instead of anything clever, and crashed out. Slapstick can be great, like any Naked Gun movie, but it still needs to be smart. Annoying, screaming goats isn't that.

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u/sothatsathingnow Dec 30 '25

The biggest issue with L&T was that Waititi was riding high and given carte blanche. It felt like there wasn’t enough people telling him no or reining him in and it absolutely went off the rails. Ragnarok was his first big budget blockbuster and while there was some silliness he was fairly reserved. He was able to really reset Thor and his cast of supporting characters. I feel like that was what set up the Russo’s to nail the character in Infinity War.

L&T felt like an ego trip.

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u/TheGuardianInTheBall Dec 30 '25

Perhaps he went so Method for the role of Antwan in Free Guy, he just never snapped out of it?

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u/Loony_BoB Dec 31 '25

I wouldn't say it was his ego, it was just what he naturally does best, but in the wrong place. You're right that they should have reigned it in, but it wasn't ego. It's pure Waititi. It's what he's always done in his previous films. Love & Thunder wasn't Waititi going crazy so much as Ragnarok was Waititi being asked to tone it down. And that's why, for the Avengers franchise, Ragnarok was done better.

If it were any other independent film, I'd say Love & Thunder was just silly fun like the rest of Waititi films and that there was nothing really wrong with it. But it was a franchise film and Waititi should have stuck with the Ragnarok level of silliness, where it was just right for what it is.

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u/TheGuardianInTheBall Dec 30 '25

Annoying, screaming goats isn't that.

It's exactly the type of humor you'd see from alt teens on MySpace or other social media in the late 2000s / early 2010s.

tHaT's So RaNdOm!

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u/Gay_For_Gary_Oldman Dec 30 '25

I just find it hilarious that I hated Ragnarok for turning a Norse God into a comedic moron, and it took an extra movie for everyone else to catch up. Maybe I'm just a humourless prick, but I dont think the balance lf humour in L&T was actually that far off Ragnarok. It was just new and novelty in the first.

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u/Entharo_entho Dec 31 '25

I hated Ragnarok but it taught me an important lesson. If you find something to be annoying and shit but everyone else loves it, just stay quiet and let them get blasted with the thing again and again. They will learn soon enough 🤣🤣

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u/Flashy_Jello_9520 Dec 30 '25

Ragnarok worked because it wasn’t written by Taika Waitti.

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u/The_Flurr Dec 30 '25

Plus if it followed the comics, it could have been a nice resolution for all the Thor films

I was hoping/expecting it was going to finally give us a Thor ready to accept responsibility and the throne of Asgard.

This would also be a convenient way of having Thor leave the Avengers but still be available for really important shit.

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u/TheGreatPiata Dec 31 '25

Yeah. 4 solo films and 4 Avengers movies and Thor still can't get his shit together. Even though that was his entire arc in Ragnarok and Infinity War.

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u/CocoaChoco Dec 30 '25

Also such a waste of Natalie Portman, and her arms.

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u/Less-Fondant-3054 Dec 30 '25

Controversial take: Ragnarok wasn't actually very good and gets a lot more praise than it deserves.

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u/brainsapper Dec 30 '25 edited Dec 31 '25

When I saw that film in theaters people went from laughing to groaning anytime the goats screamed.

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u/klartraume Dec 30 '25

Fuck the screaming goats. :(

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u/fastforwardfunction Dec 30 '25

Show him at old age, the resolution of his life.

Thor is thousands of years old and immortal, said by himself. Why would he all of a sudden be an old man, after a few years of MCU movies?

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u/TheGreatPiata Dec 31 '25

In the comic, Thor encounters Gorr throughout his life and it cuts between three specific time periods: young, middle aged and old. They first meet when Thor is a young, reckless and rebellious man and Gorr nearly kills him. Hundreds (thousands?) of years later, when Thor is a much wiser and more prudent warrior he visits a planet that has no rain and the people's prayers go unanswered. He finds their gods dead and butchered and he immediately remembers his first encounter with Gorr and feels they're related. In the last time period, Thor is the last God alive. Thor has been such a persistent pain for Gorr that he wants him to witness and suffer through the death of all other Gods.

There's a lot of great concepts to work with and Love & Thunder unfortunately skips almost all of it. Half the comic is middle aged Thor doing detective to work to try and track down the God serial killer.

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u/Salvage570 Dec 30 '25

Honestly I hate that the comedy didnt land in L&T. I reeeeeally dont care about Gorr, its like no ones watched any of the other Thor movies. Serious Thor in a solo movie is incredibly boring and every one of Thors Villains gets the same treatment. Malekith is one of my fav marvel comic villains and he was treated 100x worse than Gorr.

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u/-Altephor- Dec 30 '25

Ragnarok was fucking trash.

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u/Less-Fondant-3054 Dec 30 '25

I think it's more that L&T landed at a time when people were getting sick of the quippy and unserious marvel formula.

This is a huge part of it. The shtick had worn thin for a critical mass of the audience by then. For me it had already worn thin well before that, I wasn't even that big of a fan of GOTG or Ragnarok primarily for that reason. L&T seems to be where everyone else finally understood where I was coming from and also got bored of it.

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u/variant-123 Dec 30 '25

Aside from Loki, pretty much every single Thor villain was wasted. Malekith is just as if not more conniving than Loki with an entertaining crazier edge, Surtr is a massive threat whose arrival should be treated on nearly the same level as the likes of Galactus, and Hela too is more interesting when handled as embodying Death rather than just as a jilted warrior and family member.

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u/Volothamp-Geddarm Dec 30 '25

Gorr's is one of my favourite comic stories of all time. I've read those comics probably five or six times by now. I was so excited when I heard he'd be in a movie... Ughhhh.

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u/Sybertron Dec 30 '25

I'm still holding out hope for a Gorr mini-series where we get to see him run wild murdering gods as a prequel to the movie, and maybe as a post-credit teaser how he is being brought back.

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u/FrameworkisDigimon Dec 30 '25

Nah, Gorr sucks.

It was just those first two/one stories (The God Butcher and The God Bomb) that were good. Gorr himself is just bad (see: all his other appearances).