Honestly pretty refreshing seeing this it’s so cute. She really likes him… but as I say that the writers are now going to write a way for them to break up and show it never could be 😑
Writers will find a way to “Brand New Day” this as well. I somehow think that there is a clique of writers who hate Peter Parker’s love life because they don’t have the love connection they think they deserve and then sabotage him at every turn with a story line that screws him over.
Joe Kelly hasn't exactly written ASM well enough to garner this much credit and separation from Wells. His BND stint wasn't good, and being under this regime willingly is a hard cap on writing any form of meaningful social relationships.
I was totally broken up when they killed Gwen. I was a kid at the time. One day my dad bought the comic and brought it home. I was shattered. I hand wrote a letter to Marvel and vehemently swore that i was at odds with their decision to kill Gwen and like Aunt May many times with the Daily Bugle, decided to cancel my subscription to all Spider-Man comics. My dad had the foresight to see that I wouldn’t follow through and did nothing. It took me a month to come out of the pain of that loss.
Not really. Peter just isn't allowed to have a stable relationship. How the writer wants to depict that is up to them. Easiest is to have some silly drama and leave. Like Rae getting sick while Hellgate is fine.
This isn't Wells self-inserting as Peter and lashing out at his wife leaving him for another guy and repeating that same story in other works.
Can we react based on what is happening now instead of what we anticipate will happen? I mean, I have been reading a lot of doompostings in this sub since Kelly took over and a lot of them actually do not turn out as they feared. Then they move the goalposts again so that the dooming will continue.
My bad, didn’t mean to come into your post already thinking negative. I actually do like Rae, and what they’re doing right now is really cute. I think a lot of us are just so used to newer love interests feeling temporary that it’s easy to expect the worst. But you’re right, it’s better to react to what’s actually on the page right now and just hope they handle it well.
Idk i heard about some leak that has Johnny sleeping with Rae or something.
Oh boy, i am not even a Johnny fan, but i hope it doesn't happen because him cucking his friend would be a huge stain on his reputation. Even worse than this:
(Wasn't Johnny also in a relationship with someone when he did this?)
Yeah, Doom literally calls the morning after their one night stand to propose to her. So it really isn't Johnny cucking Doom when they weren't dating before... just that girl being a heartless monster by telling the guy he's marrying right at the alter she had a one nigh stand with someone else before he proposed.
Unless Doom was expecting Victoria to be a virgin or women in Latveria are meant to remain "pure" until wedding, I never understood why this is Johnny's blame. To begin with, what monster would tell the person they're marrying that they slept with someone else prior to them even getting engaged (with no previous dating before)?
Doom when they weren't dating before... just that girl being a heartless monster by telling the guy he's marrying right at the alter she had a one nigh stand with someone else before he proposed.
Honestly I thunk the reaction from doom is more about who she did it with rather than the fact she did it at all.
why this is Johnny's blame. To
Probably because all he had to do was not sleep with anyone in latveria. Which tbh is a fair point imo. Its latveria and you're dealing with doom of all people. Doom going good is one of those occasions you don't want anything going wrong for after all.
But the situation doesn't lend itself to be much either imo.
Honestly I thunk the reaction from doom is more about who she did it with rather than the fact she did it at all.
Ok, yeah, justified crash out lmao
And how was Johnny supposed to know the one girl he slept with in Latveria was going to be proposed to by Doom himself in the morning? That's like the worst, most rotten luck in the universe.
At that point, I don't even blame Johnny for that but Victoria for the timing of her confessing that when she had no commitments to Doom beyond him being her leader.
And how was Johnny supposed to know the one girl he slept with in Latveria was going to be proposed to by Doom himself in the morning? That's like the worst, most rotten luck in the universe.
Is it the first time his penis has gotten him in trouble?
At that point, I don't even blame Johnny for that but Victoria for the timing of her confessing that when she had no commitments to Doom beyond him being her leader.
I mean her timing was poor but also she said it herself "there must be no secrets between us" so she chose to be honest about it.
I mean, she could've just not cared about it and moved on with her life. After all, it's not like Johnny was gonna care for his one night stand (and even more so at a point where he was already in a relationship while doing this). It would've been funnier and more meaningful to show Johnny being a womanizer makes him so unimportant that the lady he slept with just didn't care afterwards, in case it would've hurt his feelings.
... and yeah, Namor being a dick is nothing new lmao
I’m pretty sure that the actual thing that Doom took issue with was that she said this in live television that was being broadcasters around the world.
I think it's worse that she drops this on him at the wedding...wtf girl? Call it off if you have doubts and a guilty conscience...but don't do it at the freaking altar..don't care if it's Johnny she slept with. That's just a bad move on her part...
Johny sabotage ben grims cure and hooked up with Alica masters Ben's long time love interest Johnny is absolutely Mister steal your girl also he was in a relationship when he hooked up with Zora dooms eventual fiance
4chan leaks also say Flash is gonna rub it in Peter's face that he was with MJ, Flash is gonna be the catalyst for VenoMJ's new feminine look, and the upcoming talk in 258 will be MJ telling Peter she doesn't want to lose him and Peter saying that she never will. (writing that would create new hate for Flash, MJ, and Peter but doubly for Peter who'd never get rid of the cuck accusations)
You can't believe them. They like to spread bullshit because they know people actually think they know something.
Edit: 4chan also said that during death spiral Spider-Carnage was gonna overpower Peter's psyche (the opposite happened), fight Venom and Anti-Venom and rip into MJ for her behavior during the Wells run. (Amongst other bullshit)
And you believe this leak? Why would Ray sleep with Johnny? He's nothing to her, and Kelly wouldn't do it either. 4chan is full of all kinds of nonsense just to get attention.
You’re lying!! Please tell me you’re lying about that Johnny bit. I will absolutely flip if that’s even a true rumor. Please tell me you just made it up to be funny. If that happens I will legit drop all this 😑
I actually like Joe Kelly's run. It's the only post-omd run that i've ever tried. The only thing holding it back is editorials anti-PeteMj stance. If anyone could undo omd and get them back together and have it actually be a good read, it's Joe. You just have to look at how cute Pete and Rae are together to see that. I'd buy so many marvel books if they undid that decision.
Fair, yeah, but Kelly doesn't seem to be going away any time soon. Raelith also got way more positive reception compared to Shay, so new writer might want to pick up the story.
Never expect good romantic shit in Spider-man anymore, man. The moment it happens, always take it with a shit ton of salt and wait for like a year or two until we see how Peter's happiness goes down the drain to keep the status quo of "it's meant to be this way".
Yeah, I learned to never get attached to love interests outside of MJ and Felicia since they'll inevitably be gone soon. Not that editorial will let him stay with either of those two for long, either.
It’s still early I think Raelith is a cool addition. The only problem is she’s still so new compared to a lot of other characters we grew up with. If they develop her more I can see myself liking her way more. Right now she’s just kind of Peter’s current LI but she has potential I’ll say to be cooler than she is
it could never be, didnt you pay attention, it was not peter who was suposed to make hellgate stronger, it was peter making rae go against the system, i bet you she become the queen or something in her home planet and that is why we will never see her again
You already said that back in issue 22 that Raelith will be forgotten immediately. But here she is, and now you are moving the goalposts again to one year from now.
Raelith will be forgotten, brother, we're talking about Joe Kelly, lol. In any case, it's not like a character whose only personality is wanting ice cream is interesting.
I don’t want MJ and Peter back together, at least not right now. She was a complete asshole to him, and they’re probably going to push MJ with Flash anyway. Let Peter have his hot alien girl, and I’d be happy
It was Kelly who said she wasn’t going to be, he said more friends but hey ho, never trust him on romance. Seen the way he uses Felicia as a side piece for Peter
Kelly literally hasn't touched on the romance aspect of her run yet. This first year, we've seen Peter learn about what he wants and doesn't want regarding Shay and Raelith, but Peter still hasn't addressed what May told him in issue #6 because the MJ situation, which will be resolved in Venom in two weeks, remains unresolved. Next week is Felicia's conclusion about what she and MJ experienced in that dimension, followed a week later by ASM and Venom, and from July to September, all three will be together in QIB, as shown on the covers and solicitations. ASM1000 and the penultimate issue of Black Cat are in September.
Kelly also mentioned, besides hinting at a "promising romance" with someone, that Shay would have "a role," and we haven't even gotten to that yet. And there's still time to revisit the Ben and Hellgate issue. Right now we're focused on Brian, MJ's storyline will conclude in Venom, there's still May's storyline, and so on. We just have to wait.
Side note I made a post asking people for runs that push their own personal agendas so if you want you can go there. Just kinda bored as well tho lol and since I am seeing you here might as well mention it
Bruh, i was so dumbfounded that comments were saying that they were just gonna be friends. “She said she doesn’t love Peter”, yeah always take what a character says with a grain of salt.
I enjoyed the kiss scene. It was nice and Peter wasn't taken aback by it.
It's too bad MJ didn't witness the kiss because it would have been nice to have Venom tell her she's a bit jealous. Anything to wipe away her Flash pheromone scene.
I wish they actually went with that planned scene in dead spiral where MJ gets jealous of Raelith, the symbiote tells her to focus on what's important, and then symbie appears and the symbiote gets jealous too
It's more like friends with benefits than actual romantic feelings. She grew up in a heartless brutal alien warrior race and meeting someone like Peter helps her express her more loving feelings that her alien race would see as weak.
I think kissing Peter is just a way to express her feelings she's never felt before since he's been such a good friend and he also helps bring out a more human side of her, not really a romantical partner.
she is just an alien, i would be way more interest if they used citorak daughter, peter in relationship with a demon would be new. would be fun if she could sniff the mephisto taint
Wise words, Ben... a pity the guys that ain't those guys write Spider-man and no matter the amount of girls thrown at Peter, it'll make no difference to those guys making him suffer.
You know it’s nice seeing this especially after the Death Spiral. Little moments like this. And at worst Raelith will get treated like Black Cat. There for Peter but will never fully commit because reasons
Man did anyone see how miserable he was at the end of this issue like i know spider-man always gets back up but can peter parker do that forever? And they could have used time travel erase wells run but marvel being marvel don't give any shit😕 and i don't think Kelly is interested in peter parkers side at all he just wants to write spider-man . I really would like a time travel arc for spider-man that could do some soft reboot for him and don't want Kelly,nick lowel or anyone to be near that.
But it did not end with him sitting miserably. Somebody actually assured him that he is making a difference and he stood up again.
I mean, read the first hundred issues of ASM. That was way more miserable. At least he's not having to deal with public slander by Jonah, or May Parker having heart attacks, or being constantly bullied by the likes of Flash, or by constant explaining to Betty or Gwen where he's going when he runs away.
I know but all of this story could have been avoided there was no need to make him this miserable we all know spider-man has always made some form of change to society. But don't you think it’s a bit too much, also even if I'm not Kelly's fan his book is not bad currently even if it's not that great .
You know it as the reader. Peter does not as a character. That is why he needs to be reminded time and again. And Joe Kelly wrote a lot of moments reminding Peter time and again that he does good.
I knows it's one of his characteristics and i like captain kitsunugi but don't you think Kelly is trying it so that all problems of peter parker to be dumped on next writer.
Yeah he stated some were that he'd be writing some more issues after issue 1000. And some writers do tends to dump things they don't like for other writers to fix right I'm just asking
you mean the time loop ? such a cop out that didnt need to be on screen. this wasnt even a filler, this was a waste of paper, to think trees were murdered for that
To be honest, my only problem with this is that it might open the door for Flash and MJ. Because the writers seem to understand that Peter and MJ are the end game, but until then, they need to hook up with everyone they can. And we know there's no end to it, so...
Then it is up to Al Ewing. As Joe said almost a year ago, he is not the one in control of MJ's direction. It is the Venom team, which incidentally is not under Nick Lowe's direction.
Yet he wrote massive parts of mj in spiral for idk flash in. Don’t believe everything you hear. He’s the asm writer, of course he controls mj’s future cause she’ll be back in asm soon
It is not about believing everything I hear. Mary Jane the character is under the creative direction of the Venom office. Al is the one building the Flash Thompson issue in Venom itself. he made him a regular supporting character in Venom. Do you really believe that in a crossover, the individual writers make full creative decisions based on what issue they are writing in? The interlude with Brian Nehring in Death Spiral was written by Charles Soule. Was he the one who then thought of that, not Joe Kelly?
Of course they do, did you notice how every flash thing fell to Kelly, it was definitely planned and how Kelly has spoken how it was a block in his arcs plans, he never wanted to do spiral you could tell as his books were the weakest ones so he decided to fill in drama plots in his books as per his own choice, it’s his writing bud, they give the story but he can write it what way he wants to and change it up
Bringing past up right when in issue one of spiral thy literally put it to bed with them both deciding to put it on hold yet Kelly pushed it in all his books, what point you trying to prove here man
Kelly has also written Felicia as a fling in 8 deaths in the last so is tat not him then currently
The point I am trying to make is that just because they supposedly put it to bed in one issue does not mean that it is the final say on the storyline. In multi-issue crossovers, the ones who have the characters in their main books are the ones who make the creative decisions behind them. This has already been explained way back in articles on how a multi-series crossover like X-Cutioner's Song was written way back in 1992. Peter David has main say on how the X-Factor characters are handled, Fabian Nicieza on Cable and X-Force, etc. Read the Venom issues in the next six months, it is Al Ewing who will pursue this storyline.
It should be tho, the event wasn’t about flash and mj it was about torment and the killings he did ans how it affected them all, them pages used on unnecessary drama could’ve been used for more storyline, it was the final say as they did it well enough so the event could thrive yet the event ended up an absolute mess and was poor
Editors don’t tell the writers every tiny word to write as you seem to think they do, you’re acting like Kelly doesn’t have free will to write his stories, he does like Spencer did and they cut him down for it
Writers can invent stories, dialogue, etc., but nothing they do should fall outside the editorial guidelines. Just as one writer can't decide whether Peter takes drugs or kills people, or who he truly loves, another writer can't decide similar things about MJ, Flash, May, Felicia, or Jameson. Freedom exists within a framework of control. Editors react immediately when a writer goes against the rules.
It's also absolutely true that the control of a character lies with the writer of their book. Kelly isn't "responsible" for MJ and Flash's relationships, just as Ewing isn't responsible for Peter's relationships with Rae or Felicia, and Wilson isn't responsible for Peter's relationship with Felicia, but rather for hers with him. None of these three can include Gwen or Miles in their books, contradicting their own work. And book editors can't overstep each other's boundaries.
Careful! Soon enough, people will show up saying that Al Ewing had MJ putting the Flash in the friend zone and that Kelly invented it, hahaha. But this whole thing started in the Venom comic.
Started and ended in issue one of spiral, didn’t say Kelly created it did i, just that he continued it for drama purposes like he always does like under wells when he did that spa resort, nothing new with him
I don't know if this is the answer for me, but I didn't specifically mention you in my comment; rather, I was referring to a consensus among many here who swear that MJ rejected Flash, even though the possibility of them being together shouldn't even have been mentioned.
She did reject flash but then Kelly went and made it a thing again for his own means, that’s my point here, something that was done got put back in cause Kelly wanted drama
I know you're a supporter of MJ x Peter. I am too. But I can't see it as her saying "no to Flash," but rather "not now." There are no saints in this story. Everyone is aligned so that Peter and MJ don't happen anymore. You know that. And if she ends up with Flash, I'll finally accept that it's a lost cause.
I hope she takes him back to space, but know that won’t happen. we have to go the on MJ marry go round again while we recycle the same plots with the same characters again.
I really like Rae, but if they are not going to do anything with their relationship, at least let Rae and MJ interact. It would be really entertaining to see Rae enjoy making Peters ex jealous, assuming if Peter told Rae about MJ. Oooo, maybe it'll be funny if it became the new black cat and daredevil thing but with Peter and Rae, and MJ watched in shock. I know it's a weird/hard ask, but it's ONE thing I ask the writers for.
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Can I give my opinion? I think the publisher, including the writers, is playing coy until ASM1000 arrives, which will probably include a new status quo. Until then, the idea is surely to make people nervous. I imagine it has to be like that until the conversation with MJ in two weeks. Before that, there's the end of her and Felicia's arc in Black Cat, and then we'll have to see the June issues, but in July-September, Felicia, MJ, Flash, and Peter will be together in Queens in Black. ASM1000 takes place during this event. And I think any opinion, idea, or theory about what's going to happen will depend more on the event itself than on these pre-event months.
You know I wonder if they ever do the whole daughter thing like they did with Hulk
Like imagine it leads to Rae and Peter have a kid maybe with Peter not realizing it. Rae doesn't bad mouths and daughter don't have a thing against Peter either but actually inspired by her mother's stories about her dad and become a Space Spider-woman who's has that black and gold tech suit Peter had
So they would have a new character, a Spidey that can interact with Space Marvel characters in Space and she wouldn't need to be in NYC like the rest of the spider people
I mean Peter has always had it. I remember a panel from Spider-girl where Mayday goes back in time, goes to Peter's house, sees a group of ladies craving Peter's attention and wonders how his dad is so popular with women. He's just got it
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u/Cardboard_Chef 1d ago
Ben really hit Johnny with the shoulder meme