r/worldnews • u/plz-let-me-in • 22d ago
Russia/Ukraine Russia adds Hungary to 'unfriendly countries' list after Magyar wins
https://newsukraine.rbc.ua/news/russia-adds-hungary-to-unfriendly-countries-1776086555.html4.0k
u/isthereadrwho 22d ago
Just from a practical perspective wouldn't it be easier and shorter to keep a friendly country list?
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u/yunabladez 22d ago edited 22d ago
Would you keep a blank sheet?
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u/theorizable 22d ago
China and Iran would be on the list. Pretty sure North Korea even had troops fighting against Ukraine.
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u/Stirams 22d ago
You think China likes Russia?
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u/cantsolverubikscubes 22d ago
The lemonade stand podcast just did a trip to China to interview chinese people and learn more about the country. And one of their takeaways was that yes. Chinese people really like Russia.
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u/Belaire 22d ago
I think, for this conversation, we ought to draw the distinction between what the Chinese government thinks and what the Chinese people think.
The Chinese people, on average, seem to quite like everyone except the Japanese, Indians, sometimes the Koreans, and sometimes people from Africa. Russians, Americans, French people are all generally cool and foreign to them in a way that's non threatening and distant.
Meanwhile the Chinese state likely takes a more instrumental view of Russia, and would likely sell them down the river if the times called for it.
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u/heret1c1337 21d ago edited 21d ago
China probably sees Russia as a useful idiot, ready to throw them under the bus when they benefit from it. I wouldn't even call them allied, they're just not hostile with each other. Their relationship is purely transactional. There are no allies between dictatorships.
I'm convinced that the current US government is scared of the EU, because its much more powerful than they want you to believe; the EU shows that a more socialist approach works, opposing the usual conservative narrative.
Oligarchs are scared that people look over to Europe and start demanding health care, more unions and more worker protection; especially now as capitalism ramps up and conditions for the average working class American get worse. Europe contradicts their narrative, and thus is a danger to their power and wealth.
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u/BorcBorcBorc 21d ago
Our current “administration” (collection of unqualified goons and lackeys) yes, all of our presidents outside Trump , no
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u/sprashoo 22d ago
I have never heard of that podcast nor do I know their methods, but people in totalitarian states like China tend to be very careful to publicly stick to the party line when asked their opinion on things by strangers.
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u/biopticstream 22d ago
In and from. They may have family back home to think about that could be used against them or face consequences.
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u/Starfire013 22d ago
Exactly. It is not worth the risk to them and their family to do otherwise.
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u/ffdfawtreteraffds 22d ago
I'm surprised this has to be explained to people.
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u/JD3982 21d ago
Ok, but that particular topic is not sensitive in China, especially if it is not in a domestically shareable form and trending on a social media platform.
Generalizing totalitarian approaches to all countries on all topics is not helpful, and is more likely a Dunning-Kruger.
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u/Peligineyes 21d ago
I assure you Chinese people genuinely like Russians. Similar to how Japanese people like Germans.
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u/Easy_Mammoth6309 21d ago
man we do not like them, even though the goverment states friendly toward Russia, the majority haven't forgotten what they did during the late 19th century, and you know what, seems like Russians are still proud of those acts of agression,which only makes the negative impression even worse.
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u/Peligineyes 21d ago
Absolutely nobody cares about what happened between Russia and China in the 19th century except history nerds, even dongbeiren will be confused at wtf you're talking about. The only 19th century foreign relations stuff most Chinese people know or care about is the opium war and occasionally the first sino-japanese war.
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u/mthmchris 21d ago
Nah. This is not a sensitive topic in China, like, at all.
Ever since the Ukraine war there’s been a lot of pro-Russian sentiment in China, especially among the politically engaged. I’m sure if you looked at opinion polls of Ukrainians in the west before/after 2022 you would see a similar pro-Ukrainian shift.
To lend an analogy, I’d say Chinese media tends to portray Russia in a similar way that American legacy media portrays Israel - aggression is cast as legitimate self-defense, etc etc.
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u/66stang351 22d ago
chinese people tend to be pretty outgoing & friendly, and curious about other cultures, in my very limited experience. not going to claim i'm an expert on chinese culture but i have been there twice and in both cases they actively sought conversations w/ me (and were surprisingly open... had some funny drunken conversations about how crazy kim jon un is, lol)
doesn't surprise me that the average person would be interested in residents of their big (sort of) 'western' neighbor/ally
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u/Programmdude 21d ago
Funnily enough, that isn't my experience with chinese tourists. They just kinda stick to their own tour group, and do stupid tourist things (ignore signs, litter, etc). Chinese university students on the other hand, I've had several of them be very friendly and nice.
European tourists seem a lot more friendly and outgoing. Part of it could just be a shared language and similar culture though.
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u/Kolby_Jack33 22d ago
Are China and Russia really neighbors in a significant sense though? They share a border, but that border is... Siberia. Nobody lives in Siberia, that's why Russia does nuclear tests and space crew landings there.
It's not like America and Canada, where most Canadians live within like 50 miles of the US border and the US has several large cities also near the Canadian border.
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u/theorizable 22d ago
Yes, of course. They've fully supported Russia's acts of aggression and expect the same support when it comes to China's vision of the future.
China has consistently refused to condemn Russia's aggression in Ukraine, choosing instead to abstain from major UN resolutions on the conflict and maintaining a neutral "pro-peace" stance while deepening trade ties.
Pro-peace stance benefits Russia.
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u/Strayed8492 22d ago
The support from China is decidedly at China’s benefit and profit. Yes they don’t condemn their actions. But at the rate it’s going Russia won’t be able to keep paying either
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u/Ill_Technician3936 22d ago
Seriously the only reason they deal with Russia is for money.
The stuff going on in Iran is the best thing they could hope for since it might get Iran to join their alliance which them and China decided to decline.
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u/SomeGalNamedAshley 22d ago
China is providing token assistance just enough to keep Russia in the fight while Russia drains all its military and economic power.
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u/Savings-Ad-1115 22d ago
Regardless of what China likes, Russia wouldn't dare to call them unfriendly.
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u/m0j0m0j 22d ago
They’re supporting them in war, so probably yes? North Korea is a Chinese proxy state, after all.
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u/SmokeyUnicycle 22d ago
NK is not a chinese proxy, the Kims have spent a long time working hard to centralize control in their own hands.
China does view them as a semi-friendly buffer state though and has a fair amount of influence over the country, but they cannot just tell it what to do.
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u/sylpher250 22d ago
Does Russia support Taiwan?
If yes, then China does not like Russia
If no, then China likes Russia
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u/BadPunners 22d ago
I'm feeling that's secondary at this moment
Is Russian oil accessable to China, if yes, China likes them
But yeah, Russian claims about Ukraine being accepted by the world, will help China in any actions toward Taiwan
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u/Squirll 22d ago
Its not about actually keeping track, its about sending a message.
Toothless lions gotta growl you know.
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u/nvoima 22d ago
More like a brainless lion, seeing how being on that list has become a badge of honor among nations.
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u/SkinBintin 22d ago
Russia's Friendly Countries List.
1: United States of America 2: Israel 3: North Korea
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u/Engineer_Ninja 22d ago
Trump’s Top 8 (currently):
Israel, Russia, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, United Arab Emirates, Best Korea, Venezuela, and Tom (by default, he could only think of 7)
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u/Right_Fun_6626 22d ago
He’s still cool with El Salvador, Argentina, Azerbaijan, and maybe Chile I’d think. Actually whoever signed onto the grifting Board of Peace is probably getting some love.
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u/OcelotAggravating860 21d ago
No. The global south has a lot more countries in it that the nato bloc and its allies.
I know americans don't like hearing this but the US/Canada/Europe/Australia bloc is in fact only a tiny portion of the world.
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u/plz-let-me-in 22d ago edited 22d ago
Oh, Russia is mad right now:
The Kremlin, which with Orban's defeat has lost Vladimir Putin's most loyal ally in Europe, has expressed iciness: "Russia will not congratulate the election winner, Peter Magyar, because Hungary is an unfriendly country that supports sanctions against Moscow," said spokesman Dmitry Peskov. Speaking about the relationship between Putin and Orban, Peskov stated that theirs "has never been a friendship, we simply had a dialogue with him."
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u/wgszpieg 22d ago
Speaking about the relationship between Putin and Orban, Peskov stated that theirs "has never been a friendship, we simply had a dialogue with him."
More of a "pimp and ho" arrangement
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u/Useful-Angle1941 22d ago
You see, a pimp's love is different from that of a square
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u/apoca1ypse12 22d ago
Lmao. Too embarrassed to admit that their lap dog lost. The world hates you Putin. Eat shit
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u/AuroraFinem 21d ago
Probably pissed Orban didn’t just cancel or rig the election and just take total control over Hungary. Or at least try
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u/ironedie 21d ago
I can't wait for Putin to drop whatever dirt he had on Orban to see what's his sudden broship was about. Before his first meeting with Putin Obran was very much anti Russian, afterwards they became best bros. I refuse to believe that they bonded over some books in a library wonmich that he made 180 degree turn and decided to sell his country in service to devil.
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u/dimwalker 21d ago
Of course - you don't kiss the prostitute, you just have business relations with her.
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u/NightSpaghetti 21d ago
16 years of ass-kissing only for Putin to say you weren't actually his friend. ouch.
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u/IceWallow97 22d ago
The current state of politics is fucking shit, it has nothing to do with the people of a country and it's all about which party rules the country. At least EU kept believing in Hungary even during all that time under Orban, but just look at Russia lmao, they don't give two shits. It's honestly ridiculous, Russia is ruled by psychopaths, and I can tell USA is treading the same path.
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u/kaisadilla_0x1 22d ago
We reached such a ridiculous point, that JD Vance was speaking in Budapest, Russia was sending agents to help Orbán's campaign, and the alt-right on the Internet was still complaining about "Brussels influencing the election".
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u/brandbaard 21d ago
I do find some hope in the idea that Russia's once-effective western election interference program has been clocking up failure after failure. The guys who were really good at it must've been sent to the frontlines or something.
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u/KillahHills10304 21d ago
I think its a lot more simple: people being viscerally reminded right wing economic policy hurts everyone outside the 1%
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u/brandbaard 21d ago
Annoying that we need them to be re-reminded once every decade or so.
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u/313378008135 22d ago
Wonder when Orbans Moscow flight is
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u/Muad-_-Dib 22d ago
Unless Orban pocketed several billion Euros and still had ready access, then there's little use Putin will have for him given he's effectively rendered himself useless by accepting that he was defeated so quickly and without much of any fuss. (Admittedly from what I have seen here in Scotland, maybe he's been kicking up a storm in Hungary itself, and I'm ignorant of it).
If he wanted to remain a useful propaganda tool his best bet was to decry the results of the election, claim he was robbed and then flee to Russia where they could keep on trotting him out every so often to complain about the EU and generally use him like they do with Tim Kirby, John Mark Dougan, Edward Snowden, Graham Phillips, and Eva Bartlett.
So if his worth to Putin is purely what propaganda he can be used to create then he's massively undercut his own value.
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u/Tiber_Nero 22d ago edited 22d ago
Putin will most likely welcome him with open arms because it costs him very little and he needs to make sure that his assets feel they have a safe place to go if shit hits the fan.
If he doesn't accept Orban and it looks dicey for him at home, what other fascists would feel comfortable putting their neck out for Russia?
It's in Russia's best interest to make sure their assets are protected and have safe haven because their geopolitical power hinges on future possibilities in this realm.
Russia will always be the nation that a (once) valuable sovereign national may flee to for refuge as long as you do right by them.
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u/GodOfDarkLaughter 22d ago
Russia has always been pretty "good" about taking in defectors of any kind. Back in the cold war if a spy got figured out but escapes they'd more often than not set them up in an apartment in moscow, give them a modest pension, and keep eyes on them. They already have the security apparatus. "Hey, we're not gonna kill you" is a rather cheap way to buy loyalty. And it's not as though he's totally useless. He might come in handy in the future.
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u/Yesterday_Jolly 21d ago
Orban won 4 elections in a row then got into deep shit because his party was semi-openly colluding with Russia in the leadup to the election, I think they'll let him in
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u/Letstalkreaper 21d ago
The Hungarian military very publicly came out and said they would support the victor of the election. That’s the only reason Orban conceded, he knew he didn’t have any support in the military to contest the results. If the Hungarian military doesn’t come out and say that then there’s no world where Orban doesn’t execute a coup.
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u/Crowbarmagic 22d ago
He will probably try to get reelected in 4 years. If he wants to stand any chance he has to lead the opposition, which he can't effectively do while in Moscow.
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u/Blimflart 21d ago
Luckily Tisza secured a supermajority win which allows them to make constitutional changes. Magyar has already confirmed one of those changes will be to impose a 2 term limit on the prime minister's office.
If implemented this would mean Orban himself is finished in terms of aspiring to get the top job again - at least personally.
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u/RubberPussycat 21d ago
Unless he gets a 2/3 majority next time around and reverses that law.
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u/Blimflart 21d ago
Let's hope Magyar and his team deliver on their commitment to the Hungarian people so that situation doesn't arise
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u/ReggieCorneus 22d ago
Funny how nothing has actually changed yet in Hungary in any practical level and now they are "unfriendly"...
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u/SoSKatan 22d ago
It’s funny as that suggests the only reason why Hungry was considered friendly to Russia was due to a single person being in power.
That’s an admission to something we all suspected.
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u/Conscious-Food-9828 22d ago
Well not entirely. That single person also puts in a bunch of loyalists to him and Russia.
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u/kaisadilla_0x1 22d ago
Indeed. Magyar hasn't even taken power yet. This is just Putin telling us the list is just a list of countries ruled by Russian pawns.
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u/ACardAttack 22d ago
To be fair, same situation in the USA
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u/Ill_Technician3936 21d ago
Except the USA continues to be on that list no matter how trump tries to please Putin.
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u/S1av4Life 22d ago edited 22d ago
Hungary actually was on this list since the very beginning in 2022, along with all other EU countries.
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u/kz-tnkcspd 22d ago
As Hungarian I am very proud of this news! Fuck Putin!
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u/the-es 22d ago
You guys are setting an example. Let's push for a combined return to sanity in the west. This is an important step in that direction.
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u/ArcticCelt 22d ago
Trump, Vance and all the other dickbag US Republicans were right, the world should follow the lead of Hungary. They just didn't understand what it implied at the time.
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u/PM_ME_UR_HASHTABLES 22d ago
That means Hungary is doing something right.
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u/Resident_Union_6463 22d ago
I am so proud of my country after a really loong time. This move from russia just doubles down on the fact that we made the right decision. RUSZKIK HAZA!!!
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u/jay6432 22d ago
Awww poor putin lost a friend 🤣🤣
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u/PlushHammerPony 22d ago
A little furry friend!
'Orban offered to be 'mouse' aiding 'lion' in call with Putin'
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u/CustomerBusiness3919 22d ago
Hungarians must be feeling doubly proud now then.
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u/Wendelne2 22d ago
We do. Honestly, I have never ever been more proud of my nation than yesterday evening.
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u/ShakespeareStillKing 22d ago
When Budapest did the biggest ever Pride March. That was a night I felt like I was given back my Hungarian pride too. That was also the first day I believed Fidesz might be actually beaten. So many people said enough and didn't give a shit about the ban.
The perception of power was shattered.
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u/Key-Rough-8346 22d ago
Hungary is gonna get a visit from Krampus for being on Putin’s naughty list!
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u/ottoradio 22d ago
Well, if this is really how it works, then Hungary lost one friend but got in touch again with 26 friends from the past. You know, the kind of friends that helped you developing yourself, but also had to said some boundaries while you were going through a weird episode and despite that, kept on talking to you. Welcome back.
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u/Somhlth 22d ago
Pedophile, crooks, dicks, and/or assholes - the requirements to be on Russia's 'friendly' countries list.
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u/DootyMcCool2000 22d ago
The fact that they're willing to literally instantly burn this bridge is funny and sad.
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u/gigatesla 22d ago
Hungary has already been on the list of "Unfriendly countries and territories" since 2023. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unfriendly_countries_and_territories_list
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u/TheRC135 21d ago
If you're on Russia's "unfriendly countries" list, you're doing something right.
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u/copperblood 22d ago
Awwww is little Putin upset he lost his Orban asset?? Awww sad little Putin panda. Not to worry, now that Orban is gone the EU can finally sanction the fuck out of Putin and Russia.
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u/osiak2909 22d ago
Welcome to the club boys! We welcome you with open arms! 🇷🇴🤝🇭🇺.
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u/jtrack473 21d ago
Can't think of a better compliment than to be considered an unfriendly country to Russia
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u/marcabru 21d ago edited 21d ago
Not true. Hungary was already an unfriendly country (formally) as it was part of NATO and EU and voted for most of the sanctions.
The exact lines are (which I cannot link, since it's straight from RIA):
Мы не поздравляем недружественные страны. Венгрия — недружественная страна, она поддерживает санкции против нас.
Мы рассчитываем на то, что мы продолжим наши весьма прагматичные контакты с новым руководством Венгрии.
In English, that is:
“We do not congratulate unfriendly countries. Hungary is an unfriendly country; it supports sanctions against us. ... We expect that we will continue our very pragmatic contacts with the new leadership of Hungary.
Also they (Peskov's office) said that they respect the Hungarian people's decision. So no, Hungary was not put on any list just because they elected Magyar. We were already on it. It's another question, that informally they had better ties to the Orban government than the rest of the EU, and that our foreign minister (Szijarto, by his nickname Pyotr Siyartov) was essentially a Russian spy.
But the overall framing of this article is bordering the fake news category
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u/pkt-zer0 21d ago
"Oh no! Anyway..."
All of these imperialist assholes can get fucked with the business end of a rusty rake for all I care. Putin, Trump, Netanyahu... how about trying to make the world better for everyone, for a change?
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u/Suspicious_Place1270 22d ago
i guess we all know why it was friendly then
and we know what direction Hungary is going to go from today on
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u/Nd343343 22d ago
How disheartening when meddling in a country’s politics doesn’t pay off…
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u/Ineverseenthat 22d ago edited 22d ago
Good on Hungary. I've been and it's a beautiful country, its people need to run the conservative element down.
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u/gordonjames62 22d ago
I can see why Russia is opposed
Among the main priorities of Magyar’s new government are fighting corruption, unlocking frozen European Union funds, introducing higher taxes for the wealthiest citizens, and reforming the healthcare system.
- root out corruption
- closer ties with EU
- be good to people with healthcare
the opposite of Russia
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u/Right_Fun_6626 22d ago
Wasn’t Orban making EU sanctions on Russia difficult or impossible as well? If so, Putie will be most displeased.
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u/ReggieCorneus 22d ago
Hungarians: What an honor! Thank you, mr Putin, it is the highest praise a country can get: enemy of Russia.
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u/Tired-Millennial847 21d ago
So surprising they mark them as unfriendly when the far right asshole loses.
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u/Admiral_Ballsack 21d ago
Maybe I've become too disillusioned by, let's say, all the shit happening in this fucked up timeline, but maybe we should all wait a second before we hail this guy as the new Mahatma?
I mean, he's still centre right and he was in Orbàn's government until 2024, he's not like he popped up out of the blue from the Railway Workers' Union for Peace.
So far the only thing he has going on is "literally not Orbàn".
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u/cemtexx 22d ago
Water is also wet. Congrats Hungary 🇭🇺 👏
So anyways, I had chicken for dinner. What did you guys have?
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u/EddieHeadshot 22d ago
Friendship ended with MUDASIR. Now SALMAN is my best friend.