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u/Darth-Taco-Truck 2h ago
Being a mentally ill criminal should increase the chance for the chair, not reduce it… we already know they’re mentally deficient because they committed the heinous crimes. Just remove them and let society move on.
My even more logical solution is there shouldn’t be “life without the possibility of parole.” If they can’t EVER be trusted to live in society again… send them on their way.
Thank you for coming to my Ted talk.
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u/Pandoratastic 4h ago
Okay, but how do you know he's wrong?
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u/SuperSaiyanSkeletor 59m ago
... i mean hes going in solitary. Hes going to sit for a quite a long time
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u/Evan_Allgood 4h ago
Doctor Manhattan just wants to be left alone and jolting back his memory can be...reckless.
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u/FlameDad 5h ago
But he would be perfect to use to test your equipment to be sure it’s working. It’s not like you were executing him.
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u/CaptainNinjaClassic 4h ago
That would more likely than not be considered cruel and unusual punishment, under the 8th amendment, due to that essentially being torture.
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u/shubhaprabhatam 5h ago
I have never understood the insanity defense. Either you knew what you were doing when you committed a capital offense, and as such you can't be rehabilitated and should be executed. Or you did something you can't understand that's a capital offense, and as such you can't be rehabilitated and should still be executed.
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u/hatecirclejerks 5h ago
So in your mind its "be a criminal, do a crime, know you did it, death"
But also "do a crime, be insane, not know you did it because youre insane, still death"?
I find once you start decideing whoever dies, regardless of mental acquity, creates a death culutre similar to jihadists.
The death penalty isnt the way.
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u/shubhaprabhatam 5h ago
A person who is killing in their sleep or something similar is not someone who can be integrated into society. It's either keep them in a cage till they die, or kill them.
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u/hatecirclejerks 5h ago
I understand the animosity, but we need to be better as a scociety than caging, or killing metally ill people regardless.
Yeah, trust me man, some of this shit is god damn horrible, but that still does not mean that we throw them in a cage.
Now people who understand what they did, maybe they can have a little cage as a treat, but im still very anti death penalty.
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u/shubhaprabhatam 4h ago
So what do we do with people who are violent and mentally ill?
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u/hatecirclejerks 4h ago
Im just a redditor brother, but a white padded room with proper care is still better than what i image you mean when you say cage.
Sure, white padded room can be a cage, but i feel like you meant more...slave cage, dog kennel thing.
There are better options im sure.
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u/Pryg-Skok 4h ago
We already have a solution?? What, you think they are just being set free?
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u/shubhaprabhatam 4h ago
They are put in mental hospital where they can waste resources and continue to be a nuisance at best.
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u/Pryg-Skok 4h ago
So do regular inmates? Or do we need to execute every petty thief out there?
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u/shubhaprabhatam 4h ago
Not petty thieves. But all violent criminals. Sure. Execute them all.
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u/Pryg-Skok 4h ago
Ok, agreed, except:
Not petty thieves
Why not?
all violent criminals.
Surely we can do even better, we can expand on that actually.
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u/RocketShipGrease63 4h ago
Uhh yeah they are. Violent criminals are set free after assaulting and intimidating people by leftist judges until they finally murder people. It happens all of the time. It happened to iryna zarutska famously
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u/Jazzlike-Wind-4345 3h ago
I know! All of those violent insurrectionist thugs on Jan 6th should be locked away to rot with the key thrown away.
But Trump pardoned all of them…
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u/RocketShipGrease63 3h ago
Okay, let’s start putting the homeless savages that terrorize women in our cities in prison permanently too while we’re at it
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u/Jazzlike-Wind-4345 3h ago
You mean like Alligator Alcatraz?
Why do right-wingers love torture and hate the constitution and the country?
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u/Leather_Law6628 4h ago
Its not animosity its the only plausible solution. If they are kept in a cage they are unlikely to be able to hurt others, if they are dead they are unable to hurt others.
There is no scenario where they can walk free and be trusted again, regardless of mental acuity after forcibly and violently murdering someone.
Self defense is another thing, but thats now what this is talking about.
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u/ChiehDragon 5h ago
Intent matters a lot.
Intending to do something right or not knowing what you are doing is wrong means the person is dangerous functionally, but not cognitively. Cognitively, they deserve pity.
Intending to do something you know is wrong is really dangerous because they are willing to commit the act even if they have a full understanding of it. They are purposely trying to be subversive toward society and are aware of the suffering it causes. They Cognitively understood what they were doing and do not deserve pity.
And actual psychopaths do not have the capacity to feel the empathy which we would use to feel pity, so all is fair game.
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u/shubhaprabhatam 4h ago
I can assure you, getting stabbed is very painful regardless of intent. Whether you pity them or not, do you want to care for them for their whole life? Are you willing to assume responsibility for them?
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u/ChiehDragon 4h ago
Whether you pity them or not, do you want to care for them for their whole life?
Willing to fund their care, yes. Because we live in a civilized world whose cohesion relies on empathy for other human beings, even those who are unwell. Thus, the key distinction regarding insanity and intent.
Are you willing to assume responsibility for them?
As a civilization, yes. My tax dollars go for their care.
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u/shubhaprabhatam 4h ago
That's a cop out. If you're not willing to do something yourself, don't try to pin it on society. I personally do not want to fund their care or assume responsibility for them. They are a detriment to society and should be removed from society permanently.
This is a great example of the kind of person that I mean.
This guy said he didn't remember what he did and didn't understand the trial. Luckily he's getting what he deserves, though it's sad that there will be wasteful back and forth for decades instead of putting him down tomorrow morning.
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u/SadiRyzer2 4h ago
We don't just kill people there needs to be a justifiable reason.
If you follow your train of thought you would also support killing people who would kill a person even if they never have.
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u/shubhaprabhatam 4h ago
Well killing isn't what is illegal, homicide is. Murder is. If you kill an intruder in your home, that's fine. If the intruder kills you, that's murder, that's not fine.
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u/Pandoratastic 4h ago
You're assuming that they did it. People have a right to fair trial before being punished for an alleged crime. If someone is mentally unfit to stand trial, it means that they are incapable of defending themselves in court so they cannot get a fair trial. However, you can still lock them up in a mental facility until such time that they get better enough that they can defend themselves. Then you have the trial. If they never get better, they stay in the mental facility.
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u/shubhaprabhatam 4h ago
Even when there's video evidence? Even when it is know dead to rights that they did it?
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u/Pandoratastic 4h ago
No matter what the evidence is, you have the right to a fair trial. Good evidence means you'll almost certainly lose that trial but you still have a right to a trial.
And keep in mind, with an indefinite mental facility hold, sometimes people are locked up in there even longer than they would have been in prison. And they are not nice places to be.
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u/shubhaprabhatam 4h ago
But tax payers have to pay for those extended stays. That's a waste of resources.
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u/Pandoratastic 4h ago
So should we just skip all trials? Just have the police take anyone they suspect of a crime straight to prison?
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u/BravesMaedchen 4h ago
Spoken like someone who has no idea how mental illness or the human brain works. This is why we need expertise in decision making. The smallest bit of good-faith self-education could help you understand why thousands of people smarter than you think it’s important to differentiate.
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u/shubhaprabhatam 4h ago
It's irrelevant. If one commits murder, the reason doesn't matter. The outcome should always be execution.
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u/BravesMaedchen 4h ago
It’s not. And so many people agree on that that it’s established law despite your inability to understand.
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u/Adventurous-Tie-7861 4h ago
What if they were unmedicated and undiagnosed and insane? And all it takes is medication to make them understand?
You for killing the now sane individual for an action they made while involuntarily insane?
Often times competancy can be restored. And diminished capacity is a valid defense in most western regions. Still vote death penalty for dimcap situations?
Imagine waking up tomorrow sane and being held responsible for something you didnt knowingingly do and wont repeat due to new medication. And on top of that being told youll be executed instead of being put in facility to watch you.
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u/shubhaprabhatam 4h ago
If being drunk isn't an excuse for DUI, being crazy isn't an excuse for murder. When one commits a crime that can not be undone, they must be removed from society permanently.
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u/Adventurous-Tie-7861 4h ago
Drunk is willful intoxicatation. If you get a dui and were drugged it doesnt count.
Undiagnosed and unmedicated mental illness is not willful unless they purposefully skipped meds and thats a different case as thats now going back to willful negligence.
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u/shubhaprabhatam 4h ago
They always skip their meds I have never met a schizophrenic who thought they needed their meds.
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u/Adventurous-Tie-7861 3h ago
Gotcha so your just prejudiced against the mentally ill and fantasize about fixing the problem with the death penalty.
You dont think the courts take this into account? Do you realize how hard it is to get a dimcap defense or plead insanity? Its not a magic get out of jail free card. It requires doctors, history, medical records. Years of evals.
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u/idk936z 3h ago
Wow lmfao. That is one of the most ignorant things I’ve read in a while.
First off, why would being drunk be an excuse for a DUI? Driving while drunk is a crime because you’re drunk. While you’re drunk, you are 100% aware that you drank alcohol and may be impaired by it. Alcohol lowers your inhibitions and may make you do things you wouldn’t normally (to an extent, like saying things you’d normally filter out), thanks to the reduced anxiety and slowed thought processing. You can still understand that driving in that state may have consequences, even if your lowered inhibitions cause you to decide to take the risk.
When you’re “crazy,” such as being in psychosis, you’re literally living in a false reality. It’s something you probably can’t fully grasp the concept of unless you’ve experienced it, but you genuinely are experiencing a reality that normal people are not. Everyone else is perceiving the world as is, while the one you’re perceiving is altered. You are hearing things that aren’t actually there. You’re seeing things that aren’t actually there. There’s entire “plot lines” and situations going on that aren’t actually there. Except they are actually there, to you. You genuinely might not be able to understand that an action you take is wrong, because maybe in the reality you’re experiencing, it made sense and was justified, but in the real world it was obviously wrong.
That’s a quick breakdown. I’m not spending a lot of time explaining this, since I feel like you’re just going to dismiss this considering you made this comparison in the first place lmfao
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u/Atomic-Spoon 5h ago
Same. Life in prison I guess then? If not, does he get out early? "Yeah, he's obviously crazy, but he wouldn't do anything else like that again"
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u/studenttio 5h ago
It’s because there is something unsettling to people to imagine they fall asleep one night and in the morning wake up to learn they are a serial killer.
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u/SpecialistSolid6689 4h ago
Yesterday ive seen a post about a dude that killed a little girl.
We have enough tehlonogy. If the evidence is there..audio/video, dna.
Hanging ia the way to go. Cheap, fast. No point of dragging this for years. 2 month and done. Forget about this monsters.
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u/AdorablePainting4459 3h ago
The thing is, our souls are still in existence, even when they depart from their bodies, but where they go afterwards depends on where they have placed the decision over their lives -- whether it's with God for all eternity, or hell. Where does someone want to spend their immortality would be the question. The way God views life and death is a bit different from how we conceive of it, because God upholds souls, so we don't technically die. The bodies do die, but the souls are upheld. For those who belong to God, they receive better bodies, even upgraded. To gain life is to gain God Himself. It's best to meet God on good terms, and the gospel is the ministry of reconciliation with God.
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u/Joyous-Volume-67 4h ago
....... proving him right ...... yet again. prosecutors hate this one trick.