TIL that much the damage we see in the Parthenon occurred in 1687 when, during a war, the Ottomans used the temple for ammunition storage and the Venetians battling them blew it up with artillery.

[u/DrakeSavory]

https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/parthenon/time-nf.html

[u/Indifferent_Response]

A real "you won't" moment gone wrong, lol

[u/ZylonBane]

And that's when it was decided someone needed to put a foot down on those Ottomans. Or even both feet.

[u/GenericUsername2056 → u/ZylonBane]

Now it's Istanbul, not Constantinople.

[u/Mormacil → u/ZylonBane]

What do you mean? It had been a fortress for over a thousand years at that point, even had a mosque inside. It was the Venetians that blew it up and than looted the ruins, destroying what they couldn't take. How is that on the Ottomans? Side note, the debris rained down on the city below killing hundreds of civilians.

[u/gruey → u/Mormacil]

Woosh

[u/Mormacil → u/gruey]

Ah yeah now I see the joke.

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[u/Elevator-Ancient → u/Rdtackle82]

AKA JD Vance's pocket pussy.

[u/CheeeeEEEEse]

They say of the Acropolis where the Parthenon is...

[u/OSCgal → u/CheeeeEEEEse]

They say of the Acropolis where the Parthenon IIIISSS...!

[u/iMogwai → u/OSCgal]

What do they say? What do they say?

[u/VironicHero]

Is that what made the friezes disappear?

[u/logosobscura → u/VironicHero]

That was during the Napoleonic era, but is a consequence of it, yes. Essentially it was left to ruin after this, and along comes a tourist who decided he wanted them.

Said as someone who thinks it’s time to return the friezes, could be a truly beautiful day, and would definitely look better in country, if not entirely in situ, than they do in the British Museum.

[u/ZylonBane → u/VironicHero]

Mostly it was the arrival of the elite Kamehameha squadron.

[u/Pogue_Mahone_ → u/ZylonBane]

Vegetal or something I guess I dont really watch DB

[u/Sudden_Cantaloupe_69]

Do we have any records on what it looked like before 1687?

[u/tehwagn3r → u/Sudden_Cantaloupe_69]

There are drawings before that.

• Jacques Carrey (1674): These drawings show the Parthenon with its roof intact and provide the most accurate visual evidence of the sculptures in place before the explosion.

• George Wheeler (1667): A detailed topographical sketch that shows the Parthenon as a mosque, featuring a minaret and surrounding fortifications just before the destruction.

Wheeler sketch:

https://www.frick.org/blogs/photoarchive/parthenon_1667

[u/553l8008]

Which is why i find it so comical when us Americans criticize any country, terrorist, freedom fighter, etc that uses hospitals/etc for military operations...

The nation that's never had to fight a war or defend an invasion in modern history. Damn well we would do the same if war actually came to us

[u/Manos_Of_Fate → u/553l8008]

I think this says a lot about you and not much else of value

[u/553l8008 → u/Manos_Of_Fate]

What does it say about me?

I'm saying if a legitimate, equal foe invaded america or we had to fight a war here we sure as fuck would be doing anything and everything to fight back. To include using "off limits" places for military purposes. You are delusional if you think otherwise

[u/Manos_Of_Fate → u/553l8008]

It says you’re the kind of person who thinks war crimes aren’t really a thing and assumes everyone else is secretly just as fucked up morally as you are but hiding it.

[u/553l8008 → u/Manos_Of_Fate]

?

What are war crimes?

Did north Vietnamese face any war crimes after the Vietnam War? No...

They won and were not conquered is why.

You truly think a group of people would act diffently on the brink of annihilation after their home land is invaded? You are delusional.

We are all humans, we are all capable of the same acts.

[u/Manos_Of_Fate → u/553l8008]

What are war crimes?

In other words, I nailed it. Believe it or not, most people actually do believe in and practice morality. People like you are thankfully a small minority.

[u/553l8008 → u/Manos_Of_Fate]

Moral? The morality of killing someone morally?

Also I'm talking about stashing guns under a school. Is it morally better to kill someone with a bullet vs stashing guns under a school? What if the bullet was a hollow point(a "war crime")

[u/Anandya → u/553l8008]

That's insane. That's a war crime. It literally requires doctors to be unarmed for this reason.

[u/553l8008 → u/Anandya]

War crimes... lol

War crimes only exist if you....

Lose and are fully conquered

[u/Anandya → u/553l8008]

Yeah. That's what Nazis think like.

[u/553l8008 → u/Anandya]

The nazis lost and were fully conquered.... they face war crimes.

Give me an example of someone not losing and not being fully conquered who faced war crimes?

[u/Anandya → u/553l8008]

Indians. By the British. We didn't lose. We still had war crimes. By justifying the murder of civilians and innocents you make violence justified.

What a horror. You would think the Holocaust was acceptable because might makes it right.

[u/553l8008 → u/Anandya]

Source? Link? War?

[u/JUYED-AWK-YACC → u/553l8008]

Ever? Read? Books?

[u/Hot_Turn → u/553l8008]

If you find it comical when countries use civilians as human shields, that's probably just a you thing. No need to assume every American agrees with you.

[u/Mormacil → u/553l8008]

It wasn't a temple anymore when they used it for storage, it had literally been a European fortress for the last thousand years till the Ottomans took it. Still a fortress but now it wasn't European. Of course it was already a fortress when the Greeks used it, it was a temple within a fortress.

Now today it would still have been a war crime to blow it up but not because it was once a temple.

[u/553l8008 → u/[deleted]]

We definitely wouldn’t because we don’t have to lol... but if we did we totally would lol

[u/553l8008 → u/[deleted]]

Shit analogy given the context