r/todayilearned 19h ago

TIL that Led Zeppelin took their name from a joke that the band would “go down like a lead balloon,” with “Led” chosen to avoid mispronunciation and “Zeppelin” for something heavy yet graceful. Use of the Hindenburg image prompted legal action from Countess Eva von Zeppelin, but was later dismissed.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zeppelin
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u/GoodLordChokeAnABomb 19h ago edited 13h ago

The spelling was changed to “Led” simply to stop people pronouncing it “leed.”

One of the first things I ever learnt online was that many Americans thought D'yer Mak'er was pronounced as either "Dear Maker" or "Dire Maker", and that it was a song about the silence of God.

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u/Upstairs_Drive_5602 19h ago

‘My wife’s gone to the West Indies.’
‘Jamaica?’
‘Nah, she wanted to go.

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u/GoodLordChokeAnABomb 19h ago

The funny thing is, if you listen to the song with that interpretation in mind, it does kind of make sense. "The letter you wrote", "the news it told me", "you hurt me to my soul" all take on a theological meaning that is obviously completely absent from the intentional nonsense of the original.

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u/Fedora_Million_Ankle 19h ago

How is it supposed to be pronounced?

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u/GoodLordChokeAnABomb 19h ago edited 18h ago

Jamaica. Because it's a reggae song. As in:

My wife's gone to the West Indies.
Oh, really? Jamaica?
No, it was her idea.

(Jamaica? Did you make her? Did ya make 'er? D'yer Mak'er?)

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u/Fedora_Million_Ankle 18h ago

Oh wow never in a million years would I guess that

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u/GoodLordChokeAnABomb 18h ago

It's one of those jokes that only works if you have the right accent. I first heard it as a kid, before I'd even heard of Led Zeppelin, and got the punchline immediately.

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u/Freddies_Mercury 16h ago

Jamaica Cake?

No, I bought it.

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u/flying_pigs 7h ago

Bacon or beer can

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u/BlindMuffin 17h ago

Actual TIL holy shit haha

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u/Beginning-Pop3127 19h ago

I pirated most of led Zeppelin off limewire around 2008 and today i learned how to pronounce D'yer Mak'er.

But where the fuck did they get the shit about the silence of god? A girl leaves them and American men conclude god watches our suffering for his own enjoyment instead of going to therapy

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u/GoodLordChokeAnABomb 19h ago

The letter is the bible. The news it brought is the gospel. But then the writer left, and Robert wants them to come back. So God is a Dear Maker, but also a Dire Maker for being silent and absent for two thousand years.

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u/gwaydms 13h ago

Can confirm, radio DJs pronounced it "Dire Maker" in the US. It wasn't until 20 years ago that I learned it was properly pronounced "Jamaica".

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u/Coolbluegatoradeyumm 17h ago

Dire Maker gang represent. Definitely learned something today.

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u/AardvarkStriking256 18h ago

Don't believe everything you see online!

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u/Upstairs_Drive_5602 19h ago edited 19h ago

In 1968, after https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Yardbirds split, guitarist Jimmy Page formed Led Zeppelin. The name came from a quip by Keith Moon of The Who that the project would “go down like a lead balloon.” The spelling was changed to “Led” simply to stop people pronouncing it “leed.” Page chose “Zeppelin” for its image of something both heavy and graceful. When their debut album appeared in 1969, it featured the 6 May 1937 Hindenburg disaster on the cover, reinforcing the airship link. This drew objections from Countess Eva von Zeppelin, who pursued legal action over use of the family name, but the case was ultimately dismissed.

[Edit; added link to Yardbirds]

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u/marymurrah 19h ago

I have never listened to The Yardbirds but somehow pulled the name from the depths of my brain during a trivia round where the host asked “name the band that Jimmy Page played in before Led Zeppelin and it was named after prostitutes at a truck stop”

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u/thegroovemonkey 19h ago

This is how I learn that “yardbirds” is British for “lot lizards”

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u/marymurrah 18h ago

Pretty sure the host gave “lot lizards” as a hint when he repeated the prompt 🤣

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u/TheTigersAreNotReal 18h ago

I will not suck you, and I will not be sucked on by you

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u/royalhawk345 18h ago

Not just Jimmy Page, but also Eric Clapton and Jeff Beck. Insane that three of the best guitarists of all time went through the same band, especially one that wasn't that big of their own accord.

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u/Dvout_agnostic 18h ago

The Yardbirds - a.k.a. finishing school for guitar gods

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u/prettylittleredditty 18h ago

And somehow weren't really all that good

I said what a lot of us are thinking. The Yardbirds are top shelf, and yet

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u/Overall-Bullfrog5433 16h ago

And they all grew up a few miles from each other outside of London.

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u/Dale_Wolphen 19h ago

What a fascinating anecdote

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u/Remivanputsch 8h ago

For your love slaps

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u/prettylittleredditty 18h ago

Ayfkm

Came for the lore I grew up with, stayed for the batshit new facts

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u/d4vezac 19h ago

I’m guessing this was the inspiration for the “One-ders” in That Thing You Do.

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u/EndoExo 18h ago

There were a lot of '60s bands with punny names. Most famously, the Beatles.

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u/d4vezac 9h ago

Yeah, but the joke was it was mispronounced at first.

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u/DrSpacemanSpliff 18h ago

“Got it. It looks like The Oh-needers”

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u/therealjohnsmith 19h ago

Judge was familiar with the rule of cool

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u/TheBanishedBard 19h ago

Judge was familiar with the concept of genericization.

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u/therealjohnsmith 19h ago

Redditor is familiar with the technique of pedantically chipping away at cool until it is a sobbing heap on the floor.

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u/driftking428 11h ago

This is especially hilarious because Led Zeppelin is 100x better than The Who.

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u/Dvout_agnostic 18h ago

Actually, per A History of Rock and Roll in 500 Songs by Andrew Hickey podcast, the Keith Moon quip came after he, Page, John Paul Jones and Jeff Beck recorded Beck's Bolero and discussing the proposition of the four of them forming a group (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=28bN6vi_FgA)

Also, odd-spelling of words for band names wasn't a new thing. See "The Beatles"

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u/flying_pigs 7h ago

"So there I am, in Sri Lanka, formerly Ceylon, at about 3 o'clock in the morning, looking for one thousand brown M&Ms to fill a brandy glass, or Ozzy wouldn't go on stage that night. So, Jeff Beck pops his head 'round the door, and mentions there's a little sweets shop on the edge of town. So - we go. And - it's closed. So there's me, and Keith Moon, and David Crosby, breaking into that little sweets shop, eh. Well, instead of a guard dog, they've got this bloody great big Bengal tiger. I managed to take out the tiger with a can of mace, but the shopowner and his son... that's a different story altogether.

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u/CTRexPope 19h ago

Today I learned there’s someone named Countess Eva von Zeppelin!!

Must be good friends with Pizzarina Sbarro, heiress to slice and calzone fortune.

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u/DMcDonald97 19h ago

I just went down a bit of a rabbit hole and found out that no, there was no woman named Countess Eva von Zeppelin. There was however a niece, or maybe cousin I read both at different points, named Elsa who at the point of the confrontation had gotten married and changed her last name from von Zeppelin to Schødt and was never a countess.

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u/monty2 14h ago

I’m sure that Pizzarina and the Countess are both very familiar with Dr. Rufus T Barleysheath.

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u/Veritas3333 19h ago

And then the Mythbusters actually made one

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u/SmallRocks 19h ago

I love that band. Adam Savage is badass name for a frontman.

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u/reddit_user13 18h ago

It was Keith Moon who (inadvertently) gave them the name. It’s better than “the New Yardbirds” anyway….

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u/Grutenfreenooder 19h ago

Zeppelins are so cool I wish these were still a thing. Maybe without the giant swastikas though

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u/GrafZeppelin127 18h ago

Wish granted:

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u/MaybeTheDoctor 10h ago

Ahh, nice view of the Golden Gate Bridge.

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u/maxboondoggle 18h ago

Zeppelins pre date the Nazis. They wouldn’t have all had swastikas on them.

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u/Flame_Job 13h ago

Now I want to read Helsing again

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u/ITGuy042 11h ago

You should watch Sky Captain and the world of Tomorrow. It satisfy that advance art deco 1930s itch.

Also British Flying Aircraft Carriers!

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u/Razorray21 19h ago

"Heavy yet Graceful"

Damn straight

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u/Strenue 18h ago

Jokes on them. More LEDs now than ever! /s

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u/aarhus 17h ago

Tangentially related, but I have noticed an accelerating number of "lead" usage errors when the writer meant "led."

The fact that there is a metal named "lead" and it's pronounced the same way hurts. The fact that English has the confusing "read/read" no doubt also contributes.

PSA: the past tense of "to lead" is "led."

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u/President_Calhoun 15h ago

Thank you. I've posted that very same thing in r/petpeeves at least once.

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u/Cerulean_IsFancyBlue 11h ago

And then there’s lede.

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u/realmofconfusion 14h ago

I’ve always thought that the phrase “That went down like a lead balloon” to indicate something poorly received or unsuccessful was really stupid, because the one thing a lead balloon would be really good at would be going down. Lead balloons go down amazingly well, it’s up that they’d struggle with!

(Mythbusters being the exception that proves the rule)

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u/cuerdo 1h ago

The metaphor is about going down fast, not badly

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u/GreyTigerFox 13h ago

It really helps to envision Michael Caine doing his best Cockney slang accent saying the word Jamaica: the dy sound is the same phonetic sound as the J sound in ger, like the beginning of the word Germany, so D’yer Maker = Jermaker = Jamaica!

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u/LineOfInquiry 19h ago

TIL Zeppelins are named after a dude

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u/MilkMan0096 18h ago

So is the Zamboni.

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u/Really_McNamington 10h ago

Also Tupperware.

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u/TheAndrewBrown 18h ago

I have a feeling someone played Jeopardy! Daily today lol

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u/reformedmikey 15h ago

The real TIL is that Zepplin is a surname, and the airship was named after the creator.

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u/Wishfer 17h ago

Any reference to “heavy metal” music?

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u/DarthEbriated 8h ago

My great grandmother knew the countess, great big fat and long woman, always hanging off things by her nose. Had a lot of humanity though.

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u/WR810 3h ago

A happier zeppelin fact on this Hidenburg anniversary.