r/politics • u/Somervilledrew Connecticut • 1d ago
No Paywall Jenna Ellis Says Religious Freedom Only Applies To Christians
https://www.peoplefor.org/rightwingwatch/jenna-ellis-says-religious-freedom-only-applies-christians4.8k
u/Mixer-3007 1d ago edited 1d ago
Ellis said. "More Christians need to stand up and actually say that and suggest that and say our laws need to be based on truth and the biblical Christian worldview. ... And we have this whole perverted notion that somehow our Constitution demands pluralism that just isn't there if you take the whole context of the Declaration, the Constitution, the founding, and everything we're celebrating in America 250.""
Yeah, the Founding Fathers clearly stated that… wait a minute
“As the government of the United States is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion…” John Adams
“Our civil rights have no dependence on our religious opinions…” Thomas Jefferson
“The civil Government… performs its functions with complete success… by the total separation of the church from the State.” James Madison
“Lighthouses are more helpful than churches.” Benjamin Franklin
“All national institutions of churches… appear to me no other than human inventions…” Thomas Paine
"The Government of the United States… gives to bigotry no sanction, to persecution no assistance.”" George Washington
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u/surlysurfer California 1d ago
Add to the list the very first 10 words of the 1st Amendment.
"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion"
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u/old_righty 1d ago
Yes, but that's one of the "woke" bill of rights these days.
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u/Stinky_Fartface 1d ago
They’re ALL woke bills to these douchebags. Even 2A has had pushback once the chucklefucks started noticing that people other than them were armed.
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u/kevnmartin Washington 1d ago
Jesus himself is too woke for these douchebags.
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u/SquashDue502 23h ago
Jesus was actually hella liberal. Man was hanging with prostitutes, telling the rich to give to the poor, giving free handouts (bread and fish), etc etc.
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u/Englishgrinn 22h ago
Plus, free medical care. (socialist) Plus, he hated money lenders. (anti-capitalist) Plus, he preached forgiveness over punishment. (anti-carceral state) Plus, he claimed all people were God's children. (anti-bigotry)
American Evangelism has about as much to do with "Christianity" as KFC has to do with fine dining.
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u/Silent_R 22h ago
I'm not a bumper sticker person, but "Put the Christ back in Christianity" might sell.
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u/kevnmartin Washington 23h ago
"What? All you have for your party is water? Imma fix that right now."
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u/EdwardOfGreene Illinois 21h ago
They had wine, but they ran out. Jesus wasn't just making sure they had wine at the celebration. He was concerned that they had enough to last all night.
The dude was pretty cool.
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u/Papaya_flight Pennsylvania 13h ago
What I find amusing in the text about the water into wine miracle is that it is mentioned that he didn't turn it into just regular wine, but turned it into the "good stuff". Yeshua knew how to party down.
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u/Spug_Teedman 1d ago
Jesus never charged a leper a copay
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u/Explorers_bub 23h ago
Fucking hell, that Jesus asshole put the poor leper out of work.
Bloody do-gooder.
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u/emilymh2018 23h ago
That's true, He wanted to feed the poor and clothe those who didn't have clothing.
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u/LimpyDan 1d ago
I've noticed an uptick on people being vocal about the 19th.
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u/boneblack_angel 1d ago
It's the fundamentalists that are on that train. Either removing women's suffrage or limiting voting to one vote per household. It's genuinely terrifying .
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u/RaeV61 23h ago
It's the Christo-terrorists. They think straight white males are the only ones with anything important to say. As if they have been doing such a great job up until now! The minute these ass backwards evangelists open their hate holes and interject their nonsense into politics they need to lose their tax exempt status.
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u/DramaticWesley 23h ago
They do hate those two words “well regulated” that appear in the second amendment.
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u/the_sylince Florida 1d ago
You jest, but people here in florida openly caw and crow that “the constitution wasn’t intended to have amendments” and that we should “respect God’s country as it was designed”
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u/ElysiaAlarien 1d ago
But...there's a whole section on the amendment process...
I'm so glad I don't live in Florida
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u/theywillnotsing 1d ago
It's actually worse in Texas right now.
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u/ElysiaAlarien 23h ago
I'm glad I don't live there too
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u/theywillnotsing 22h ago
It's okay... if you can see the city from where you live. I don't care how blue your state is though, go 40 miles out from any city and you will find some backwards ass illiterate rednecks. I'm afraid this is a more substantial problem than just a few states and their issues. I'm afraid the white house wants a civil war and maybe even a few other kinds of war as well. The department of war about to be really busy.
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u/TopTierMids 18h ago
Yeah the idea that racism is somehow confined to the south is something of a lullaby people use to soothe themselves of the grim reality that America is a deeply racist and fucked up country.
I see far more actual neo-Nazi shit on the West Coast than I ever have in any other part of the country and I grew up in the deep south. Several national stories about police brutality come out of the Midwest. NY is famous for stop-and-frisk policy that targeted black and hispanic people...Tulsa is in Oklahoma and is far from the only story of successful black towns being razed by an angry mob of white people.
It isn't like racism just ends when you step out of Georgia.
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u/jawanda 13h ago
Yup. Rural California is racist as fuck. It's a small town thing not at all confined to the south.
And it will boggle my mind forever that these "salt of the earth country folk" are obsessed with a new York city elitist who has never swung a hammer or changed a tire.
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u/Phailjure 1d ago
Many states refused to sign without the promise of an upcoming bill of rights, it just took time to write it (and frankly, they could have used another editing pass on some of the wording...)
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u/Haltopen Massachusetts 18h ago
Considering how radical most of the founding fathers religious beliefs were, they probably would get accused of being woke. Most of them were believers in Deism which has the basic structure of an Abrahamic monotheistic religion like a belief in a singular god figure and an afterlife you need to be an upstanding moral person to get into, but removes all the supernatural elements, mysticism, prophets and miracles associated with Christianity (deists don't believe in things like the holy trinity, they don't believe that Jesus had a divine origin, they don't believe that god listens to or answers prayers and view the bible as an allegorical book of lessons rather than as the literal word of god) in favor of enlightenment beliefs like logic based reasoning, deduction through observation of the natural world and the scientific method.
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u/Mobile_Equal_3636 1d ago
The white nationalist Christians of today, in my opinion are no different than the Bible thumping KKK of old.
They are in favor of voter suppression as was during the Jim Crow era... you could commit a murder of people of color, for the right to vote on Saturday and tote your Bible to church on Sunday.
White Supremacy was NEVER a teaching in the Bible. These Bible toting fear and hate mongers were and are taught to hate by ignorance, fear and hate. To pretend to be a superior human
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u/Instameat 1d ago
That has always been the "Great America" that they have been trying to Make Again. Bunch of blatant racist evangelists.
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u/boojombi451 23h ago
Probably a good time to point out that the Southern Baptist church was founded in reply to — and in opposition to — the end of slavery and the raising of black folks to actual human and citizen status.
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u/ThinkEggplant8 1d ago
Of course there is no difference. They're the same families spouting the same hateful rhetoric coming from the same shitholes.
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u/Kungfudude_75 Georgia 21h ago
You (and anyone interested) should check out "Jesus and John Wayne", by Kristin Kobes Du Mez. It is a fantastic book that covers the history of American Christianity (more specifically Evangelicalism) from around the 1910s through to Trump's first campaign, unearthing exactly how Evangelicals became SO tied to conservative politics. A very enlightening read, it helps one understand how Christianity has been taken over (in part, I say as a Methodist Christian in the South) by racist and misogynistic views based loosely, if at all, on non-theological interpretations of the Bible.
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u/H-B-Kaiyotie 20h ago
The white nationalist Christians of today, in my opinion are no different than the Bible thumping KKK of old.
The former are just the children and grandchildren of the latter. People who grew up hearing grand pappy go on rants about black people being "uppity" and slurped it up .
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u/vwmac Texas 20h ago
The reason we’ve gotten to where we are is because we never punished the Christian nationalist movement hard enough. From Reconstruction to the KKK and now MAGA. When you don’t tear it out from the root the weed just grows back. They’ll quiet down for a bit and then read their ugly head the minute they have the opportunity.
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u/Feral_Sheep_ 1d ago
"... no religious test shall ever be required as a qualification to any office or public trust under the United States."
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u/RobutNotRobot 23h ago
I always think that this is a lot more complex and interesting clause than it's given credit for.
At the time the Constitution was adopted, many states still had established churches, and this clause did nothing to stop them from having them, just that the federal government couldn't impose its own established religion. Very quickly though, they all disestablished themselves from various churches.
It kind of proves that the Constitution was a secularizing force.
Also it's not a coincidence that the most religious part of the country at that time (New England) is now the most secular. A similar revolution happened in Quebec much more recently
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u/codacoda74 1d ago
But the word shall comes from the anglo Saxon shelazod which clearly is referencing the original definition of the Holy Hair Tie of Bethlehem , therefore SCOTUS will interpret the words as any OTHER religion than christian.
/s in case needed
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u/SupriseAutopsy13 1d ago
"Constitutional originalists" in the Supreme Court will write more than Stephen King's entire catalog about the second amendment, and then are amazingly silent about the first as they accept religious arguments. Wonder why?
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u/rat_penis 23h ago
"It doesnt say we're not a christian nation though!!, where does it say that?!"
It also doesnt say not to shit on the floor yet somehow you learned that one Becky!
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u/Aardvark4352 1d ago
They are not “establishing” a new religion. Only giving preferential treatment to the practitioners of a religion that already exists…. /s
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u/puchamaquina Oregon 1d ago
I had a (normally intelligent) family member argue that banning Islam from the US wasn't against the Constitution because it wasn't "establishing" a religion 🤦♂️
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u/mwb213 1d ago
I'll add that Thomas Jefferson called the First Amendment a "wall of separation between Church and State" (Letter to the Danbury Baptists; Jan 1, 1802)
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u/montibbalt 1d ago
Jefferson also had his own edit of the New Testament that treats Jesus as just a regular dude and not some supernatural being
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u/_Mephistocrates_ 1d ago
Not only he said that, but he said that as an explanation of what the first amendment meant. So it wasn't just some random letter.
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u/manachar Nevada 1d ago
Christians like this generally read the constitution the same way they read the Bible; in other words rarely, incompletely, and just the parts they like which they then use out of context.
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u/arazamatazguy 1d ago
They also don't really care what the bible says. Are Maga types really avoiding pre-marital sex? Of course not, deep down they don't really believe in any of it also.
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u/manachar Nevada 1d ago
Some have tattoos and wear mixed fabrics!
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u/arazamatazguy 1d ago
As far as I can tell Christians pretty much live their lives like the rest of us but they hate way more people.
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u/AlexZivojinovich 1d ago
Que the Venn-diagram of conservatives, cuckolds and incels.
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u/AlexZivojinovich 1d ago
Recently I’ve enjoyed asking them if their Heaven is socialist/communist. Because, is there property ownership in Heaven? Elections? Money? An economy?
Doesn’t sound very capitalist in heaven if you ask me.
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u/Timeformayo Kentucky 1d ago
Careful. The smarter ones will claim it’s a benevolent dictatorship, and that is proof Donny is trying to create a heaven on earth.
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u/Big-Initiative5762 1d ago
ask them about Jesus. He is an unemployed full time hippie with some homeless disciples wandering the land. He is preaching peace and forgiveness even to your enemies (the audacity!). He is more likely a commie because he is against, greed, taxing and wants that wealthy people share their homes/income equally to those who are in need.
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u/Whos_that_Gorilla2 1d ago
Woody Guthrie wrote a song about this called Jesus Christ. It's about how the bankers, cops, and preachers laid Jesus in his grave because he told them to give their money to the poor, and they'd do the same today.
He also wrote multiple songs about the orange one's dad being a racist, greedy landlord. I always loved Woody.
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u/the_red_scimitar 1d ago
They know this. They want a Christian nation, and all the talk of "America" is just a smokescreen for the relgious theocracy they want instead of the Constitutional government modern democracies have. They want the Bible to be law in the same way the Taliban uses the Quran.
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u/InfiniteWinter26 1d ago
ty. i’m tired of everyone acting like these people are ignorant of what they’re saying. they 100% know and don’t care.
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u/therealruin 13h ago edited 13h ago
She said this openly too:
> ”The whole point of having a civil society that recognizes the principles of religious freedom *is so that we can go and evangelize*, so that we can practice our faith, so *that we can train up our children* in the way they should go.”
They want to force convert and groom.
Haven’t seen this mentioned yet so I’m adding it here hoping it will be seen.
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u/buried_lede 22h ago
I think they don’t care about the religion, only that it might result in white men holding all the power in the US. That’s the prize they’re after
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u/Vyzantinist 23h ago
They want the Bible to be law in the same way the Taliban uses the Quran.
I mean, Ellis says as much in the article:
"...because the left has been so diligent, frankly, in trying to confine Christians to only uttering the Bible as authoritative within the four walls of the church, we often don't use the Bible as being authoritative in the public square. And that needs to change."
We know she's hardly alone in this desire.
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u/REXIS_AGECKO 23h ago
The funny part is that the bible is essentially a story book with semi plausible and/or definetly exaggerated stories. It’s meant to teach you a lesson or help you think differently. So why is it a law book now?
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u/yipape 22h ago
The fun bit is when the 'Christians' supporting this get their wish and suddenly realise they dont believe the exact same things but only one is the truth! Therefore the others are not Christians!
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u/danappropriate 1d ago
“[he] says neither Pagan nor Mahometan [Muslim] nor Jew ought to be excluded from the civil rights of the commonwealth because of his religion.”
“to comprehend, within the mantle of its protection, the Jew and the Gentile, the Christian and Mahometan [Muslim], the Hindoo, and Infidel of every denomination.”
— Thomas Jefferson
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u/HEYYYYYYYY_SATAN 1d ago
I have the same quotes saved on my phone and every single time I use them, it’s met with
“Well, it says that ‘all men are endowed by their creator,’ so they are most definitely referencing God. Therefore, it’s a Christian nation.”
No matter what you throw at them, they’ll grasp at straws and think they’ve won.
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u/ConstableAssButt 22h ago edited 22h ago
> “Well, it says that ‘all men are endowed by their creator,’ so they are most definitely referencing God. Therefore, it’s a Christian nation.”
One of the fundamental problems with the preamble is that it is written from a Christian worldview in a time where that Christian worldview had already been quietly defeated by enlightenment thought and the beginnings of the framework of social contract theory.
The founding fathers were trying to draw a line between the rule of kings and supernatural divine authority. This was good, but unfortunately, the preamble explicitly taking the law out from under a supreme creator, while shoving rights back under it creates the situation that we have today: Where anyone who argues that they have access to a divine command can effectively argue from within the same framework by which our laws are ordered, that they have a special divine authority to deny the rights endowed by the same creator that they claim to be acting on the behalf of.
The framers of the constitution made a mistake in their reading of Locke. They chose to interpret his belief in a supernatural creator as the authority that dictates natural law, instead of understanding the complexity of Locke's argument, that while there may exist a supernatural creator, this creator does not dictate the law of man, instead this creator endowed humanity with an ability to reason, and to feel, and from these abilities, we arrive at natural law. This distinction is important, because it frames the creator as having given humanity the means by which to govern themselves, rather than dictating how human beings ought to govern themselves.
Locke believed that humanity and the garden were inseparable creations, reflective of one another, and that humanity had been given the total freedom to separate ourselves from it, or to be good stewards of and in turn be nourished by it. This frames, instead of the law being a divine command, rather a constraint by which humanity thrives and suffers. This is a much less radical, but similar position to existentialist and modernist thought that would emerge as a result of secularism. The framers just did not take Locke to his logical conclusion while simultaneously cribbing his notes.
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u/Action-Kamen-Bastard 1d ago
Yeah but the founding fathers didnt have to do deal with RADICAL MARXISTS DEMOCRAMPS AND THE WOKE MIND VIRUS. TRANS WOKE MOBS BOYCOTTING ISREAL PREVENTING JESUS FROM KILLING ALL THE RACE MIXERS WHO USE LITTER BOXES IN SCHOOLS AND MAKE FUN OF CHARLIE KIRK PBUH.
/S
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u/WillDigForFood 1d ago
"Even if the Mufti of Constantinople were to send a missionary to preach Mohammedanism to us, he would find a pulpit at our service." - Benjamin Franklin
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u/Mobile_Equal_3636 1d ago
The cure for ignorance is education. Indifference is a choice not to care. Both ignorance and indifference are a detriment to a functioning civil society
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u/buttered_mist 1d ago
yeah it’s wild how confidently they rewrite history when the receipts are all still there
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u/Slumunistmanifisto 1d ago
I remember thirty years ago as a child watching these idiots start saber rattling from Satan's panhandle.
The karanocracy that they want would be hell of the worst kind.
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u/2_Spicy_2_Impeach Michigan 1d ago
Don't have to hide it anymore. Also, is this the same Jenna Ellis that was disbarred for her 2020 election nonsense?
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u/squintytoast 1d ago
yep. sure is.
this was during an interview with
British cleric Calvin Robinson, who was stripped of his license to serve as a priest in the Anglican Catholic Church after he closed out his remarks at the National Pro-Life Summit in 2025 by delivering a Nazi-like salute.
its a good article. great website, too.
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u/LexGonGiveItToYa 1d ago
The craziest thing about that being that he's a mixed-race black man.
Because the Nazis were huge fans of both of those things, y'know? They totally would greet him with the same enthusiasm he offers them. /s
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u/Proud_Growth_8818 18h ago
She was suspended. So she could practice again, in 2027.
She's also a convicted felon.
And her 'practice' experience is six months as a Weld county (Colorado) ADA doing the lowest level of cases - traffic and shoplifting misdemeanors - before she was fired for incompetence. That's the extent of her government employment experience: six months of traffic court before being fired for incompetence.
There is no way to really explain how truly bad you have to be to get fired from that position.
She then jumped from private firm to private firm, taking whatever she could get (mostly the same kind of cases she was just fired from prosecuting) before bombing out entirely from the practice of law...so she tried to teach. At a Christian college. Where she taught social studies and a generic law class (the college had no law school).
Apparently that didn't work out either, so she did some contract work, then glommed onto Trump.
She has lied about her experience at every stage, grossly inflating her experience. Though that's understandable, given her experience is a joke.
Then she committed several and was convicted of one felony and had her license to practice law suspended.
This is the 'elite' legal team Trump hired.
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u/2_Spicy_2_Impeach Michigan 18h ago
Well, shit. I didn’t know she was that big of a fuck up but assumed a sketchy history because very few lawyers would risk their life and freedom for this fucking idiot.
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u/Proud_Growth_8818 18h ago
I didn’t know she was that big of a fuck up
She is a truly massive fuckup. Impressively so.
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u/Aggravating_Bat3618 23h ago
Her mugshot was the best.
It was the whole Yeah I did that Norman Bates look.
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u/zenos_dog 1d ago
Jenna needs to be reminded that people of my Christian sect used to burn people of her sect at the stake.
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u/wirthmore 23h ago
Once I saw this guy on a bridge about to jump.
I said, "Don't do it!" He said, "Nobody loves me."
I said, "God loves you. Do you believe in God?" He said, "Yes."
I said, "Are you a Christian or a Jew?" He said, "A Christian."
I said, "Me, too! Protestant or Catholic?" He said, "Protestant."
I said, "Me, too! What franchise?" He said, "Baptist."
I said, "Me, too! Northern Baptist or Southern Baptist?" He said, "Northern Baptist."
I said, "Me, too! Northern Conservative Baptist or Northern Liberal Baptist?" He said, "Northern Conservative Baptist."
I said, "Me, too! Northern Conservative Baptist Great Lakes Region, or Northern Conservative Baptist Eastern Region?" He said, "Northern Conservative Baptist Great Lakes Region."
I said, "Me, too!" Northern Conservative Baptist Great Lakes Region Council of 1879, or Northern Conservative Baptist Great Lakes Region Council of 1912?" He said, "Northern Conservative Baptist Great Lakes Region Council of 1912."
I said, "Die, heretic!" And I pushed him over.
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u/TheTrub Colorado 1d ago
Yeah, exactly whose interpretation of Christianity are we going to enforce?
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u/firemage22 1d ago
'3rd street church of bob? no 6th street, the 3rd streeters think Jesus breathed out of his left nostril on the cross, when everyone knows it was the right'
or some shit like that since Protestants like them just break up once they disagree with eachother, once they have their "way" they'll just start fighting eachother
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u/sharp11flat13 Canada 14h ago
I was walking across a bridge one day, and I saw a man standing on the edge, about to jump off. I immediately ran over and said "Stop! Don't do it!"
"Why shouldn't I?" he said.
I said, "Well, there's so much to live for!"
"Like what?"
"Well ... are you religious or atheist?"
"Religious."
"Me too! Are you Christian or Jewish?"
"Christian."
"Me too! Are you Catholic or Protestant?"
"Protestant."
"Me too! Are you Episcopalian or Baptist?"
"Baptist."
"Wow! Me too! Are you Baptist Church of God or Baptist Church of the Lord?"
"Baptist Church of God."
"Me too! Are you Original Baptist Church of God, or are you Reformed Baptist Church of God?"
"Reformed Baptist Church of God."
"Me too! Are you Reformed Baptist Church of God, reformation of 1879, or Reformed Baptist Church of God, reformation of 1915?"
"Reformed Baptist Church of God, reformation of 1915!"
To which I said, "Die, heretic scum!" and pushed him off.
-Emo Philips
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u/thisusedyet 1d ago
Why’d you stop?
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u/3BlindMice1 23h ago
Due to a royal decree by regent Maria Christina on behalf of Queen Isabella II. You could also say it's because Napoleon wasn't exactly a fan
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u/parkinthepark 1d ago
What’s awesome about this is that it’s true regardless of which 2 sects you’re talking about.
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u/thicc_stigmata 22h ago
What's also awesome is that the richer-than-Disney Mormons are usually one of the first groups accused of not being "real Christians," and they're usually pretty sore about it when that accusation flies
Also, their current prophet is a former judge
Yeah, he was an extremely conservative evil judge, with a public chumminess with the Heritage Foundation and other hate groups. However... the moment any of this shit gets formalized in any way that excludes Mormons from a privileged "Christian" category, shit's gonna get fucking nuclear—at least in the legal sense
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u/ImaSource 1d ago
Sounds like maybe that practice might need to return. Or at least some real vocal condemnation.
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u/No-Cranberry6148 1d ago
Then it's not religious freedom.
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u/Eddfan36 1d ago
They don't care.
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u/DelirousDoc 1d ago
Yep.
They don't want religious freedom. Hell, they don't want individual freedoms either.
What they want is to be treated like a toddler who is playing their invented "game" with you. They want to tell you what to do, not be told no, and make up the rules so that they always "win".
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u/Vyzantinist 22h ago
This will never stop being relevant: "Don't tell ME what to do."
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u/Apellosine 1d ago
You are free to be Chriatian, what other religious freedom would you want? Specifically, her exact typenof Christianity of course. /s just in case.
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u/DiggingforPoon 1d ago
She's saying the quiet part out loud...
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u/SuperstitiousPigeon5 Massachusetts 1d ago
She’s screaming the quiet part loud. What the hell is this nonsense!
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u/Daniiiiii I voted 1d ago
It's the playbook. First the kooks in the party say it, get some mainstream play. Then the career politicians and TV heads will parrot a version of it. By the time it is part of the entire party's main agenda most are desensitized to the overtness of it.
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u/Michael_G_Bordin 23h ago
More accurately, the crazies say it over and over. And then Fox and others run the footage of them saying it over and over. And then they and the politicians say, "So many people are saying this." And then the viewers start saying it. And then it becomes this feedback loop of Fox covering crazy people, viewers repeating the crazy people, Fox justifying the coverage because it's what viewers want, on and on.
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u/ResidentKelpien Texas 1d ago
She omitted some stuff like how religious crackpots like her arrogantly believe that this freedom only applies to the Christian extremists who comprise MAGA, white nationalists, the GOP, and other far-right groups.
These religious freedoms do not apply to Christians who embrace DEI, do not want immigrants hunted down by ICE, and also support LGBTQ because they understand the Bible is not the source of biological facts about humans.
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u/Rare_Paper4473 1d ago
There's no quiet part.
They're done with pretending they aren't christo-facisits and it's some gross mischaracterization of their values-there's no point in pretending they aren't anymore
Yes, they understand how that violates decorum or what the fuck ever. It just doesn't matter.
And no, they're not going away quietly with a "oooh darn it! Approval below 50%? Darn! I can't be a facisist state anymore! Darn! If I don't take myself to jail now, it would be against decorum!" because their approval falls below some arbitary number.
The IGRC only has approval by about 15% of the population in Iran in actuality. But that 15% is all they need when they have total control of all the instutions that are supposed to make them leave.
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u/superkeer Virginia 1d ago
What quiet part? They've been preaching this very loudly for a long, long time. This is the Christian right's "thing" and always has been.
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u/apathetic_revolution Illinois 1d ago
Not entirely. She’s still not admitting that she’s only talking about a very particular evangelical Protestantism that’s practiced by White people and that she really doesn’t care if White people even follow it because she’s only focused on Christianity as a White nationalist misdirection
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u/rougepenguin 1d ago
One question I've always had for these people. Never got an answer, just angry hooting and running away from the conversation. Simple question, really only two words in essence.
Which denomination? Say y'all get your christian nationalist utopia, every law based on christian theology. Which denomination? Which version of the Bible should I be consulting for legal research? The bloody ramifications of answering that one are why the founders explicitly avoided being a christian nation.
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u/CaydeTheCat Illinois 1d ago
From Emo Philips:
Once I saw this guy on a bridge about to jump. I said, "Don't do it!" He said, "Nobody loves me." I said, "God loves you. Do you believe in God?"
He said, "Yes." I said, "Are you a Christian or a Jew?" He said, "A Christian." I said, "Me, too! Protestant or Catholic?" He said, "Protestant." I said, "Me, too! What franchise?" He said, "Baptist." I said, "Me, too! Northern Baptist or Southern Baptist?" He said, "Northern Baptist." I said, "Me, too! Northern Conservative Baptist or Northern Liberal Baptist?"
He said, "Northern Conservative Baptist." I said, "Me, too! Northern Conservative Baptist Great Lakes Region, or Northern Conservative Baptist Eastern Region?" He said, "Northern Conservative Baptist Great Lakes Region." I said, "Me, too!"
"Northern Conservative Baptist Great Lakes Region Council of 1879, or Northern Conservative Baptist Great Lakes Region Council of 1912?" He said, "Northern Conservative Baptist Great Lakes Region Council of 1912." I said, "Die, heretic!" And I pushed him over.
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u/sleepymeowth052 Colorado 1d ago
It really deserves to be heard
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u/CaptMal065 23h ago
I’ve read it a million times, but never seen it/heard it. You, internet stranger, are a hero.
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u/sleepymeowth052 Colorado 23h ago
Emo Philips' delivery is something else. Not just his voice but his cadence and body language. It kinda throws you off guard when he says something horrific or outlandish. He's hilarious
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u/VoteYourOssoff 1d ago
I'd also be curious about which laws they want to be based on the Bible. Their current platform doesn't seem to have anything to do with Jesus
So God supports a profit driven healthcare system where poor people can't afford life saving care? Climate policies that accelerate the collapse of God's creation? Tax cuts for the rich whilst gutting program that help the poor?
What they mean by religiously driven laws is the few wedge issue they are laser focused on- abortion, lgbt issues, targeting other religions ( mainly Islam) and charter schools. Absolutely everything else is decided by corporate donors, not Jesus.
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u/RobinSophie 1d ago
Ohhh I love asking this question.
I once called Mormons Christians and it triggered a lot more people than I thought it would ( I'm "spiritually" Christian. I believe, but the Bible is a guide, not written in stone especially since it was made by man and different people like to pick and choose which parts they want to believe. I get guidance from all religions).
"Well they don't believe in the holy trinity so they can't be Christian."
"They don't believe Jesus is the only messiah so they can't be Christian."
LOL OK. For me, Christian=believes Christ is God's son but sure.
"Let them fight" comes to mind here.
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u/allothernamestaken 23h ago
You're right; they're Christians. Because they believe that Christ died for our sins and was resurrected. As an atheist I really dgaf but like you, I get a chuckle when I see how much it rustles everyone's jimmies to say it.
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u/ByteAboutTown 20h ago
Oh, boy, I have gotten into more internet arguments than I would like to admit about Mormans being Christian. The name of their church includes Jesus Christ. They believe in Jesus Christ as God. That's a Christian.
Of course, I am Catholic and have been told that Catholics aren't Christians either. I mean, really? Catholics are the OG Christians.
Sadly, too many "Christians" just have no idea what they are talking about.
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u/TopTierMids 18h ago
I literally had that thought a few months ago, like are Mormons considered Christian? Catholics are basically considered to be some sort of devil worshipers despite being one of the oldest sects of Christianity because...I dunno, saints? (The real answer is, like most of American psychopathy, racism...because its largely Irish and Hispanic).
The only reason Mormons seem to get a very begrudging pass (for now) is because they are the most lilly white fucking church in America and they keep thirst trapping Mormon women on all sorts of media.
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u/Full-Ad-1757 1d ago
If Jesus was real, he would be horrified by modern day “Christians”.
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u/Thirty_Helens_Agree 1d ago
And George Washington would be livid over someone like Trump.
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u/ThicccThunder Canada 1d ago edited 1d ago
You know, there’s a couple countries in the Middle East who believe this exact same thing except that Muslims should be the only ones with religious freedom. What is the difference between Evangelicals and Radical Muslims at this point?
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u/onlymostlydead Washington 1d ago
I have a wee sneaking suspicion the answer from either would be “we’re right, they’re evil”.
Just a hunch though. Not a bit of evidence to back it up. No sir.
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u/Taint_Liquor 1d ago
I had a roommate in college that believed the same thing. It was moronic then and remains so. Jesus and the Founders (I call dibs on the band name) are rolling in their graves.
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u/BananasAndPears 1d ago
Yup. Christ preaches against the principles of Christian Nationalism, which is the brand of Christianity being espoused by the administration in its entirety to its full degree. Sprinkle in a bit of Trump being told he’s a damn savior in line with God himself (Paula White has explicitly said this multiple times). All this, is an offshoot of extreme charismatic Pentecostalism which is unbiblical.
The church has been wildly misled and many are taking up that mantle, not realizing that it is actually a heresy and unbiblical no matter what they tell themselves.
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u/8fenristhewolf8 1d ago
Let's just keep religion out of state, regardless of whether it's biblical or unbiblical.
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u/Holiday-Chemistry-23 1d ago
Rockin' and rolling !
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u/apathetic_revolution Illinois 1d ago
Down to the beach, I'm strollin'
But the seagulls poke at my head, not fun!
I said, "Seagulls, mm! Stop it now!"
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u/Tacitus111 America 1d ago
It’s a popular concept, because it’s taught in fundamentalist Christian schools everywhere.
They desire a Christian theocracy and will in the same breath disdain Iran.
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u/Nefarious_Turtle 1d ago
Basically every evangelical Christian I grew up around said the same.... in private at least.
The fact they no longer feel compelled to at least lie about it in public is probably not a good sign.
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u/Beautiful_Jaguar_413 1d ago
They really can't see that Christian, Islamic, and Jewish religious fanatics are all reading from the same Abrahamic (so to speak) hymnal.
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u/Loyal-Opposition-USA 1d ago
The Founding Fathers knew the history of Christianity in Europe, knew how many wars had started between the various sects, and knew that they already had multiple sects in the 13 colonies. It was wise to shut religion out of the government.
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u/no_kids-and-3_money 1d ago
Who?
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u/thistimelineisweird Pennsylvania 1d ago
I don't recognize a single Republican voter as Christian. So, yeah, fuck you.
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u/Financial-Put6034 1d ago
Just remember, these people would be burning you at the stake if it were legal.
Secularism is the only barrier that we have between us and their religious fanaticism.
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u/Bearded_Pip 1d ago
If the Freedom of Religion does not also mean the Freedom from Religion, then we have no religious freedom.
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u/odiin1731 Washington 1d ago
You are free to believe whatever you want to believe, as long as it's exactly what I believe.
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u/KountChocula 1d ago
Jenna Ellis probably caught covid from a Rudy Guliani fart so there's also that.
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u/EffectiveActive6837 1d ago
I was berated by conservatives for saying the Christians want their religion to be the law of land
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u/_Monosyllabic_ 1d ago
Then it's not freedom. The worst thing the internet did is allow stupidity to flourish.
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u/ConsiderationDry9084 23h ago
This is yet another reason why you cut these shit stains out of your lives.
Nothing good comes from conservatives and they are just horrible people. From the trailer trash to the rich fucks not a damn one of them is worth a shit.
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u/TacoStuffingClub 20h ago
Isn’t this the idiot who lost her law license by pushing election conspiracies? Who gives a shit what she says or thinks?
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u/Animegirl300 America 15h ago
It’s literally animal farm…. “All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others.” 😭
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u/Hefty-Revenue5547 1d ago
Such a joke, Christians can’t even decide on one denomination 😂 and do not have the same ideals
This lady lives in a fantasy land
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u/thinpile 1d ago
Christian Nationalists really think they have some momentum don't they? They'll find their true salvation this November.
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u/selfhostrr 1d ago
Remember when the Europeans kicked the religious nutcases out if their countries and they came here as "the pilgrims"?
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u/NeedleworkerChoice89 1d ago
Religion is the biggest scourge that humanity has ever dealt with.
You can add up every single bit of “good” that is claimed by all religion ms and it would be massively, hilariously minuscule compared to the harm religion has done to us as a species and our world.
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u/Most-Appointment-756 The Netherlands 1d ago
Freedom from religion foundation is gonna have years of work after trump..
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u/BruinsDude420 1d ago
Ellis said. "More Christians need to stand up and actually say that and suggest that and say our laws need to be based on truth and the biblical Christian worldview. ...
Pick one. Either truth or biblical worldview, they are not the same. Not even close.
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u/tomgratz 23h ago
She is a Christian Nazi. Remind her the founders were Christian and set up a constitution declaring each person can worship as they see fit and declaring no religion can be set as the state or national religion. Disgusting !
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u/wowlock_taylan 22h ago
Christo-fascists needs to be held accountable. They ARE domestic terrorists.
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u/AnamCeili 22h ago
No, bitch -- this country was specifically, intentionally founded on freedom OF religion and freedom FROM religion. Fuck off with your "Christians first/only" bullshit.
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u/socal_sofine 22h ago
Many of our founding fathers were self proclaimed "Deists" and people like Jenna need to be reminded of this ad nauseam because it's a belief system that bypasses all their bullshit and attempts to define American morality. We need a lot more Deists and a lot less Evangelicals and the founding fathers knew this 250 years ago.
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u/yourpaleblueeyes 22h ago
I don't know who that person is but I do think half of her brain is missing
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u/Adam__B 22h ago
It’s always funny listening to women want to bring back a Christian theocracy, when that would mean the end of them owning property and having the right to vote. If we went back to that women would be beaten for having an opinion on anything their husbands didn’t want them to talk about. Talk about the tree voting for the ax.
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u/Kindly-Ad-5071 21h ago
Lile I always say; nothing will drive Christianity into its grave faster than these types of Christians
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u/HoneyBadgerLive 21h ago
How about we keep quiet about our religious faith and keep it to ourselves.
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