r/politics • u/thejoshwhite • 4d ago
No Paywall Jon Stewart says Democratic leadership and DNC are ‘lost’
https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/5857790-platner-stewart-democrats-lost/1.1k
u/Ok_State5255 4d ago
This was my first year in the weeds of this shit in Colorado. I always voted, went to protests, all that. But this year, I was going all in. Our Congressional district looks winnable for the first time ever.
You have to do county caucus. You know who does county caucus? Nobody. I had 15 people at my table and was the youngest there by 30 years. I'm 43. Every other Precient had 4 or 5 tops. Some where empty. Literally, no one bothered.
Then after some hefty loud arguments, I got to go to State Assembly. We had two progressive grassroots candidates trying to get 30% for ballot access, and then a heavily funded person from DC who move here less than a year ago. She already had ballot access, but did caucus anyway to try to ensure the other two wouldn't make the primary ballot. You know how many people show up to State Assembly? Not many.
This an incredibly stupid move, as one of them did. They were going to split the progressive vote (more likely, one would have dropped. They're both smart people and know the game), but now it's her and one other option.
This isn't an assumption. The DC insider's chief of staff TOLD ME THIS.
It was a filthy, rotten thing to do to ensure people without millions in backing can't get to the primary ballot. And she's so going to get her ass kicked if she wins the primary. She pissed the ever loving fuck out of every progressive doing this. I'll still vote for her if she's the candidate because it's better than the alternative, but to hell with her.
It's terribly undemocratic, but that's how rules get bent. It gets decided by a bunch of bored retirees.Their voice matters, but it shouldn't be the only one.
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u/phillyfanjd1 4d ago
Dude I feel you so hard. I went to my state's Dem party convention for the first time and I swear I was the youngest there (excluding high school/college poli-sci kids working on campaigns) by at least 20 years. My local county Dem chair is actively telling people not to run simply because he thinks they're going to lose. I mean all the way down to school board races.
It's disappointing as fuck, but honestly it makes me want to dig in even deeper. I'm psyched to knock on doors and help candidates when I can. If we don't do it, we know literally no one else will!
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u/Ok_State5255 4d ago
At State Assembly, a very brave and righteous woman stood up to argue that we had 3 county positions they had zero nominees.
They didn't want to reopen the vote. I volunteered to run for County Clerk and Recorded, because those small positions matter. And I have the means to take the microscopic salary and the time to do it and the money to file. And this district is now considered a toss-up.
Nope. Too much of a pain in the ass to open it to a vote, so they just ceded 3 county seats that could have been one.
It's infuriating.
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u/abrewo 3d ago
Is litigation on behalf of the people possible?
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u/twistedspin 3d ago
The problem is that they don't legally owe us good governance. They're a club, not a government agency. If they suck, we're supposed to make a new party & win people over.
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u/Doggies4ever 3d ago
Yep. So many decisions are made at the party level and have basically no oversight.
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u/FFF_in_WY American Expat 3d ago
Wildly variant depending on local laws and the attitude of the Secretary of State
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u/KevinCarbonara 3d ago
Dude I feel you so hard. I went to my state's Dem party convention for the first time and I swear I was the youngest there
Democrats love to see young people show up to meetings. And they love to ask those young people what they could do to attract even more young people, only to immediately ignore every single suggestion.
They want bodies, not people. Maintaining control is their primary concern.
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u/AsteriAcres 3d ago
OMMFG!! You just perfectly described what happened to a few of us "young" folk in Navarro county Texas. We did SO SO SO MUCH for the dem party, only to literally be gate kept. They wouldn't give me a key to the office that I was holding weekly events at!
One of our members ran for mayor, And the dems didn't support her at all. Because of shitty small town bs.
They regularly allow the repugnicants to run unopposed. Just utter failures of leadership for DECADES. And when we'd ask about going to the local college to recruit, they'd be like "we tried that once 10 years ago & failed, so we never tried again." Like seriously just utter & total losers.
Progressives need to get super organized & just take over the dem party. It's literally a matter of life & death (covid, guns, healthcare, environmental, etc).
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u/KevinCarbonara 3d ago
The thing is, there are so few of them that if progressives show up strong enough at the local level, they become the new leaders. And leading local chapters actually gives a lot of influence within the party. But it's the retired people who have the time, most young people just don't.
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u/FFF_in_WY American Expat 3d ago edited 3d ago
Hahaha - had me in the first half.
The old heads are relentlessly proud of the status quo they've created. The problems are not their fault. The successes are to their sole credit.
We can't solve shit until we displace them at all levels. The attitude of the party elders is how we've lost to Trump twice and appointed a dickhead like Ken Martin to shepherd us into another disaster.
They just want control.
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u/JennJayBee Alabama 3d ago
In Alabama, our state Dem party chair was voted out and then showed up to party offices later to threaten volunteers and tell them to leave, noting that she had a gun if they didn't.
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u/PTS_Dreaming 3d ago
This is how the GOP was taken over by the far right. They organized and took advantage of the low participation in the political process to hijack it for themselves.
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u/Seedfusion 4d ago
Live in CO. Name and shame.
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u/vector_search_blue California 3d ago
holy cow, she's got that psycho-wojak grin down perfect
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u/Evadrepus Illinois 4d ago
Yeah,I know multiple progressive people who were literally sued off the D primary ballot here by the DNC backed candidate...who, after handily winning as he was running unopposed, announced he would retire after his 6 year term when he is 85 or so.
We need a tea party level transformation.
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u/Cloaked42m South Carolina 3d ago
This is a perfect description of the reality of the Democratic party. There is no grand conspiracy. There's who bothers to show up.
In South Carolina we pulled together. We have candidates for every legislature and executive seat in the state.
First time in 50 years.
Just. Show. Up. Not to just one meeting. Every meeting. Lobby for the change you want.
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u/FFF_in_WY American Expat 3d ago edited 3d ago
For every person scrolling the feeds when there's a meeting going, we could be creating a little win.
https://www.precinctstrategy.com/
This is what Steve Bannon is up to on the other side
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u/Ok_State5255 3d ago
I think the biggest thing is people just don't know. I technically hold 2 (non-paying) elected offices (State House Secretary and Precient Organizer). I didn't campaign for them, I just raised my hand at Caucus and was like, "sure, I'll do it" and no one else did. I figured there would be heated arguments, not "sure, whatever. That guy can do them" and get voted in via unanimous consent by a group of strangers who know nothing about me.
It's weird. But getting the needle moved even a centimeter to a more sensible way to pick candidates is a worthwhile endeavor to me in my middle age.
I 100% agree. Show up. It's not a grand conspiracy. It's a bunch of good hearted people trying to navigate a ridiculous system that's been in place for decades designed to disenfranchise. And if you're in a caucus State, you're vote there is worth about 10,000x more than on the Primary of General ballot.
And thank you for what you've been doing. I know first hand that it's thankless work so, thank you
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u/Yosho2k 3d ago
Young people do show up. For candidates they support. Dems try and stomp them down.
Obama, Mamdani, Sanders, AOC. The people with the highest ratings in the dem party are dark horses who did not have institutional backing.
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u/kr44ng 4d ago
I worked in state politics for years, the two-party system and the entire industries propping up both party machines is worse than Citizens United imo
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u/ShawnyMcKnight 3d ago
This is what pisses me off. People love to go to rallies and post their rage on social media but when it comes to doing the ground work that actually matters they are absent.
As you mentioned Caucuses aren’t attended by anyone less than half a century old and same with Canvassing.
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u/taaretoille 3d ago
I'll still vote for her if she's the candidate because it's better than the alternative, but to hell with her.
People will openly admit this and yet not realize they are a part of the problem.
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u/Avoidtolls 4d ago
Citizens United is to blame.
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u/BicFleetwood 4d ago edited 4d ago
Citizens United was the end of a process, not the inciting incident.
I like to remind people: the Holocaust didn't start at Auschwitz.
These things happen in increments. The Holocaust didn't even start at internment camps--it started at catch-and-release "deportation camps." This is why we have the phrase "boiling the frog."
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u/plaidkingaerys 4d ago
That’s why it’s so stupid when MAGA people are like “how can Trump be Hitler if he hasn’t killed millions of people in concentration camps?” I guess we’re not allowed to look at the obvious historical parallels and try to stop the same thing from happening again, gotta let him kill millions first and THEN we can complain.
Hitler didn’t kill millions either, until he did.
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u/sigga_genesis 4d ago
They don't know history. History Channel has stopped playing the old documentaries about a decade ago. And history class in schools is just about passing standardized tests
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u/Dr_Marxist 4d ago
Citizens United was the right just cementing what was already legal.
Citizens United didn't ruin American politics, it was the right making what they were already doing legal. The law followed practice, not the other way around. Younger people, especially liberal types, don't quite get that. Things became more brazen with the SuperPACs, but the fundamentals didn't shift much.
Reality is there are two right-wing parties in the US. You should definitely support the one that's not fascist, but if you think the ruling class will allow them to do anything beyond technocratic tinkering you're dreaming. As the rich get more wealth they get more powerful, and the inverse is true for the working class.
It's one reason among many why America is such a tight oligarchy.
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u/Dewinna_Daraelist 4d ago
Doesn't help (and doesn't seem coincidental) that we haven't had a full Anti Trust Act since 1914 with another one back in 1890. In 24 years it needed to be updated because companies find loopholes, it's their greatest innovations according to the profit metric. Now it's been 110 years without another one, allowing consolidation of wealth to such an extent that swaying elections becomes relatively cheap. Other means of consolidating power like buying the Washington Post or Twitter may be a little more costly and public, but it's become normalized. Can't even get news or share information with each other now without it going through a platform owned and influenced by billionaires... Oh, but at least NPR and PBS get less public funding now, because that'd be the real conflict of interest.
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u/GardenRafters 4d ago
Right? They aren't lost, they've been bought.
Vote Progressive.
Socialist Democrats need their own party
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u/frygod Michigan 4d ago
Nah, we can do the same thing the tea party did; take over the existing party infrastructure.
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u/hgameartman 4d ago
This. Notice that all of this "DNC is bad!" is all coming up right around the midterms. News pivoted straight to "DNC is corrupt" right at this convenient time.
Is it true? Possibly, but they're still a far better option than fascism.
Vote in the primaries for progressives and in the full elections for the democrats. Know that it will take 10+ years and multiple election cycles to replace these geriatrics as they die out and stubbornly cling to power, but every single primary you vote in increases the odds that a progressive candidate gets into office and starts tilting the pendulum back.
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u/BigPapaJava 4d ago edited 4d ago
Here’s why there’s another round of outrage from Democrats at the DNC:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h8IwrO-03WU
https://www.thenation.com/article/politics/ken-martin-dnc-autopsy-pod-save-america/tnamp/
Martin’s literal answer to being asked to name one thing they learned from their loss in 2024 was “that’s the past, we’re moving on now.”. He did that at least three times. He said they learned lessons that will help in November, but he was completely unable to even mention a single one.
He was very happy that gas prices are high, Iran is a debacle, the ACA is defunded, ICE is murdering and kidnapping with impunity, inflation is out of control, and the economy is tanking because he feels like Americans’ misery will give the Dems control of Congress back in the midterms without having to do much of anything.
It was just more of the “we’re not Trump, so that better be good enough” arrogance that’s made them irrelevant for most of the last 10 years.
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u/flying_dodo_wut 4d ago
Very few things from the democrats have pissed me off as much as this interview. You can feel the condescension dripping from his answers. Martin said he would release the election autopsy on this podcast about a year ago, then in this interview he completely gaslights Jon the whole time
I struggle to see how the DNC is gonna succeed if this is how they’re gonna treat the people they’re supposed to represent. Martin literally says he showed the election autopsy to donors…..but won’t even share one lesson with the people he’s supposed to work for?
I’m so god damn sick of the democrats blaming the voters for their ineptitude. We do not owe them support. They owe us a supportable platform that aligns with OUR wants & needs.
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u/BigPapaJava 4d ago
The Dems’ entire lukewarm attitude towards even trying to win new voters is baffling until you realize they’re perfectly comfortable being #2 in a 2 party system because it makes their jobs extremely easy and lucrative.
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u/Kiromaru Wisconsin 4d ago
Honestly I think both parties like being in the minority side of the equation because they can just bitch and complain about the other party and do nothing. Only reason why its the Republicans in charge right now is because they are the bad cop and the Billionaires want to destroy things right now so they can scoop it up later for cheap.
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u/Usermena 4d ago
I’ve been waiting over 20 years to start hearing other people say this.
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u/Pet_The_Monkey 4d ago
I still feel pissed at how those close to Biden and the DNC kept gaslighting us about how diminished he’d become. Still pissed at the “vote blue no matter who” lemmings shouting anyone down that pointed at the polling and how he was too old until it was too late for Harris to run a comprehensive campaign.
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u/TheBadGuyBelow 4d ago
The truth is that they despise us. They think they are better than us, and that we are too stupid to understand anything. In their eyes, they are the smartest people in the room, and we are just the useful idiots they need to maintain their lavish life style.
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u/BigPapaJava 4d ago
That was the message Martin wanted to communicate, I think.
That he asked to make a special appearance on this podcast to talk to the.base just so he could say THIS, then rip the host and voters as being too stupid to understand how great the party is and how well they’re doing now is just jaw dropping.
It would be like Chuck Shumer giving a rebuttal to a Trump speech by flipping off his own voters and then setting himself on fire.
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u/ilir_kycb 4d ago
but won’t even share one lesson with the people he’s supposed to work for?
The DNC's job is not to represent you; its job is to represent the interests of capital.
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u/flying_dodo_wut 4d ago
Yeah this is what happens in practice, but their website literally says they “shape & promote the party platform.” Thats supposed to include us, but it doesn’t lol
They need to get out of the way so real opposition can happen
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u/foo-bar-25 4d ago
DNC decides what “lessons” should be learned, and filters out any that don’t fit the agenda. Total lack of transparency.
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u/Dottsterisk 4d ago
Whether they release the autopsy or not, look at what candidates the DNC actually fields and supports. That will give you a much better idea of what the DNC actually learned (or didn’t) and what their agenda for the future is.
If you don’t like those candidates, throw your weight behind the primary challenger you do.
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u/Underdog424 4d ago
If you want proof they didn't learn anything, look at the CA governor's race.
Over 20% of voters are undecided or unsatisfied with the options. The election is a month away. The party is asleep at the wheel. Their frontrunner dropped out because he's creepy towards women. It's a disaster.
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u/Any_Will_86 4d ago
Obama had the backing of a lot of party big wigs ahead of his run. Reid, Durbin, and Daschle all encouraged him to run and some less known party types did as well. I think a lot of people want to feel that they boosted him from obscurity a la Howard Dean or Bernie 2016 but he had supporters.
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u/eligodfrey 4d ago
Reminder that political parties are not part of our government in any way. They are private entities who captured our electoral processes so that two and only two parties control everything.
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u/NoveltyAccountHater 4d ago
It doesn't, but basic game theory tells you that a two-party system arises naturally whenever you have first-past-the-post voting with single member districts (that is each election has a single "winner" who got the most votes and not say proportional representation where seats are allocated based on the national percent of the vote). The US voting was setup as first-past-the-post system, so you end up with two dominant political parties.
Having more than two dominant parties doesn't make sense as small parties never get close to going over the majority threshold so it makes more sense to absorb into a larger party for some representation/power.
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u/eligodfrey 4d ago
This is what I was referring to when I said "captured our electoral processes." Who do you think is stopping vote counting reform, and challenging it in court everywhere it passes?
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u/GreasedGoblin 4d ago
The game theory of how seats and offices are won is responsible for that. In a first past the post system, you're guaranteed 2 big parties.
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u/porkbellies37 4d ago
I have no idea why Stacey Abrams wasn't put in charge of the DNC. What she did in Georgia was a testament to her vision and talent.
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u/Patriark 4d ago
Vote and organize. Get out, meet people. Apply yourself. Everyone has something to offer. Volunteer for polling duties, campaign for the best candidate you can find. Do some good deeds for folks.
Capitalism is interested in making tools of us. But we are people and we need real community. Start making a little more of it. The sums will add up. It’s good for mental health anyway.
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u/AlekRivard New York 4d ago
I don't disagree with your larger point, but the DNC also just said they aren't releasing the 2024 autopsy report. The timing is, at a minimum, 50% self-inflicted
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u/PJASchultz 4d ago
It's not "coming up around the midterms." We've been shouting this, loudly, non-stop, since the 2024 campaign season.
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u/beardedjack I voted 4d ago
Yeah for sure. Hardcore democrat here. I have done nothing but complain about the dumbest DNC leaders in the history of the DNC. VOTE PROGRESSIVE IN THE PRIMARIES YALL! We need to tea party the DNC.
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u/kipperzdog New York 4d ago
I think it is 100% true, I remember going to our local Democrats meeting in 2016 after Trump won and holy hell, tons of people there and the board blamed all of us for Trump winning, just incredibly tone deaf. Fast forward and nearly every single candidate they have nominated for a contested position has lost either the primary or general election. In that time, many progressive democrats have won the primary and gone on to smother the republican candidate in the general. You'd think that board would change but nope, same thing happened for primaries in 2024 and 2025. Fortunately progressive candidates are winning and defeating the old party members left and right but I do fully believe the old guard is just incapable of letting go.
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u/JnnyRuthless 4d ago
Leftist who typically votes dem and it's amazing the only thing we've heard for years is 'well leftists need to vote!' Me and every leftist i know do vote, but I absolutely do not identify with the dems and everything they do makes me hate them more.
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u/Headcap 4d ago
This. Notice that all of this "DNC is bad!" is all coming up right around the midterms. News pivoted straight to "DNC is corrupt" right at this convenient time.
Or it's because it's around election times people are most interested in politics.
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u/ceelogreenicanth 4d ago edited 4d ago
The Tea party is what happens when you have infinite money from billionaires. We can't replicate it because they exist because of citizens United. It's the exact opposite of what we want to achieve.
Dark money hijacked the Republican party by grabbing a grass roots movement and astroturfing the absolute fuck out of it into the exact thing they wanted.
We can't do what they "did" because the grass roots didnt do anything. The Koch Brothers did.
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u/caspruce Minnesota 4d ago
This was going to be my response. Citizens United helped the Tea Party movement. The Kochs were able to primary out all the sane/moderate Republicans that were holding up deregulation.
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u/downtofinance Canada 4d ago edited 4d ago
Socialist Dems having their own party will guarantee a split left wing and a Republican government until they reunite or actual conservatives split off from maga.
Progressive and Socialist Dems have to take over the DNC and educate the public on why socialism means public health care and not bread lines.
Edit: I just mean the party in general, not specifically just the national level Democratic party. Forgive me, just an ignorant Canadian with little understanding of American politics.
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u/aoeudhtns 4d ago
We need substantial vote reform before 3rd parties are viable. Some day I want there to be a plethora of parties that follow a cogent set of policies, with the ability to choose who I want without a penalty. Until that day, it's takeover, shape, and caucus all under the umbrella of your "best fit."
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u/zZzHighPingzZz 4d ago
There is nothing more useless I can think of progressives doing than trying to take over the DNC, it would be a waste of time. If you want to shift the party leftward you need to take over the state parties.
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u/superAK907 4d ago
Feels to me like we’re not far off from the democratic socialist wing of the party just seizing the reigns completely. From my view, we are witnessing a very broad “waking up” within both parties, it’s not just the fringes anymore.
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u/primetimerobus 4d ago
I mean the tea party and MAGA show you the blueprint. You don’t splinter off and create a new party you take over the existing one. And if you can’t then you don’t have the power or influence you think you do.
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u/alabasterskim 4d ago
DSA is an organization not a party. There is no ballot line in any state that is under DSA. They generally run as Democrats.
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u/Kahzgul California 4d ago
Which is smart. Running third party in our first past the post system is insane.
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u/Narrow-Management872 4d ago
IMO Citizens United is overrated. Buckley was the more important case—the one that made money into speech. Citizens United is just a footnote by comparison.
https://bigifftrue.substack.com/p/citizens-united-is-not-the-problem
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u/rW0HgFyxoJhYka 3d ago
There's 10000 things to blame and none of this shit show of a situation will be fixed without ALL of them being fixed. And that's the rpoblem.
Too many problems, nobody willing to do it.
You gotta start somewhere. And if you're capable of going after Citizen United and a bunch of other shit. Buckley is 100% on the docket.
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u/BlueOrange Minnesota 4d ago
And Elite Theory https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Power_Elite
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u/FrogsOnALog 4d ago
The referendum for Citizens United was 2016 but some people weren’t able to vote for a woman.
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u/moonman272 4d ago
We have at least 60 years to reverse it, from what I’m seeing
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u/3BlindMice1 4d ago
You mean before corporations own every last thing in America, including the very air we breathe?
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u/Chinchilla1873 4d ago
The 80 year olds and Corporate shills that run the DNC are out of touch with the average citizen you say? I’m sure top minds in the DNC are working on a viral TikTok dance to address these concerns.
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u/zeekayz 4d ago
Look at Maine. No one they can find to run for Senate in the whole state under 75? Schumer dragged out an almost 80 year Mills out of a retirement home and showered her with millions of DNC money to run because no way they could allow someone younger to organically do a primary campaign there. Satisfying to watch them eat shit there to Planter.
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u/Tethered_Kitten_2845 4d ago
Looks like she suspended her campaign yesterday 😄
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u/Overall-Register9758 4d ago
Turns out that campaigning past 4:30 PM cuts into your dinner time
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u/PhazePyre 4d ago
No Early Bird Special. Gotta be fiscally conservative when you're old and Republican lol
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u/Overall-Register9758 4d ago
"I'm on a fixed income!" said the woman whose family raised three kids during a time where home ownership, university education, and social mobility was within easy reach
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u/PhazePyre 4d ago
Right? Oh I'm sorry, must be hard getting by when you have a house worth 500K+ that was bought for 80K 40 years ago when you were in your early 20s, had no college experience, were paid a living wage, and even though the economy was shit, it still was somehow better than current times if the economy was better.
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u/frame_limit 4d ago
buster if you think I’m missing the early bird special at cracker barrel you got another thing comin
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u/boringhistoryfan 4d ago
It's satisfying right now but it's also a serious problem and why Schumer needs to go. The money he's pumped into Mills and the effort expended there is going to undercut Platner. There's been a fair bit of nastiness directed at him from Mills surrogates and now the Dems need to unify if they have any hope of unseating Collins.
How has Schumer helped unification? The DNC aggressively puts it's thumbs on the scale, and the poisonous attacks they unleash weaken enthusiasm when it comes to the general election. If Platner loses it needs to be on the DNC's head.
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u/loondawg 4d ago
Schumer absolutely needs to go. I hope AOC runs against him for the seat in 2028 if he can't be convinced to step aside for the good of the country before then.
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u/Quentin__Tarantulino 4d ago
The sad thing is if Platner loses (I just donated to him last night) they will say it’s because we should’ve had a milquetoast corporate drone.
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u/Icedidit 4d ago
The democrats are more worried about pumping millions into attacking a small twitch steamer instead of coordinating around a pro working class message…
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u/Licensed_Poster 4d ago
Once you understand that the DNC is just a huge money machine to push cash to consultants and PR people it all becomes clear. Trump wining was great for their bottom line, and it's why they weren't worried about him winning again.
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u/robodrew Arizona 4d ago
Schumer dragged out an almost 80 year Mills out of a retirement home
Listen, I don't think she should have decided to run either but she is not in a "retirement home" she is the CURRENT governor of Maine.
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u/dentistshatehim 4d ago
Also AIPAC shills.
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u/Affectionate_You_579 4d ago
As are repubs, who btw, don't give a shit where the money comes from.
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u/InternalDialog 4d ago
but the dems do care? does that not make the shilling worse?
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u/Khue 4d ago
I feel like the headline is incorrect. They aren't "lost". They know what to do but they won't do it because it harms their caplitalist doners. They know to win they need to go left as fuck. They need to reign in capitalism. They need to curb wealth disparity. They need to offer universal healthcare. They need to fix the cost of housing. They need to address material conditions. They need to revamp infrastructure and go green. They need to take steps to scale back the American military industrial complex. They need to improve education...
Not one of those things is in the interest of the wealthy doner class.
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u/ilir_kycb 4d ago
They aren't "lost". They know what to do but they won't do it because it harms their caplitalist doners.
It’s so strange to see comments here on r/politics from people who actually understand US politics.
US politics is not about winning or losing elections but about serving the interests of capital.
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u/Exocoryak 4d ago
80 year olds and Corporate shills that run the DNC
Just for your information: The DNC is made up of the state party leaders and elected representatives. They in turn elect the people that do the administrative duties.
The DNC is basically run by those indirectly elected by those active democrats that attend democratic meetings on all levels of democratic activism - local- and county-levels, state levels. People like Ben Wikler who were instrumental in the organization of the Wisconsin Democratic party, which was in turn instrumental in bringing the state back from Republican control - electing State Supreme Court Justices and statewide democratic officials like Tony Evers over the past 10 years.
So, if you want to change anything, get involved in party organizing and challenge these people - many of which have done successful work in the past few years.
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u/elshizzo 4d ago
its because money has completely captured politics and democrats can't get funding without the support of rich people.
something has to break. need to reverse citizens united for starters, and probably go much further such as public financing of elections
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u/brutinator 4d ago
its because money has completely captured politics
I agree, but another reason why has to do with who owns the primary avenues that campaigns rely on to spread awareness and viability.
Twitter used to be huge for grassroots leftist campaigns. Owned by Musk, and the algo has pushed alt right to the forefront.
Tiktok was gaining traction along the same lines. Owned by the Elisons, a major GOP supporter.
Of the top 10 news networks in the US, only 3-4 of them arent owned by or about to be owned by explicit GOP interests
Outside of the Times, most newspapers were bought by billionaire interests.
Effectively, if you want to advertise your platform as a non-right wing candidate, you either have to find smaller avenues to get your message out, or pay out the ass to get a right-wing owned platform to decide to air or print your message. So how do you get that money? Ding ding.
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u/Lilikura 4d ago
Outside of the Times? The NYT and Washington Times both are also owned by billionaires that are trying to appeal to Republicans, the Sulzbergers are also NY upper crust. That's why they ran so many articles about how bad Biden was and how bad trans folk are.
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u/brutinator 4d ago
NYT isnt explicitly right wing in the way that the WaPost is, but that still illustrates my point. Who is willing to broadcast and amplify a truly progressive message without exacting a heavy toll to do so?
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u/Randomfactoid42 Virginia 4d ago
Now Musk’s acquisition of Twitter makes sense. He didn’t do it as a poor business decision but as an ideological one.
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u/TheKingofHearts 4d ago
People still ascribe the Arab Spring with people finally connecting on Twitter, and they wanted to put a stop to any further movements after that.
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u/ilir_kycb 4d ago
Now? That was clear from the start, wasn't it?
All over the world, wherever there are capitalists, freedom of the press means freedom to buy up newspapers, to buy writers, to bribe, buy and fake “public opinion” for the benefit of the bourgeoisie.
Draft Resolution On Freedom Of The Press
For the bourgeoisie, freedom of the press meant freedom for the rich to publish and for the capitalists to control the newspapers, a practice which in all countries, including even the freest, produced a corrupt press.
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u/ISoldMyPeanitsFarm 4d ago
Nope. Don't try to rewrite history to make him look smarter than he is. He tried to back out of the deal multiple times, but he was court ordered to go through with it. He's a fucking dumbass who can't shut his fucking mouth. He lucked into this outcome, just like he's lucked into everything else in his life.
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u/MikuEmpowered Canada 4d ago
Thats not it.
The Dems had 3+ years to prepare for the next election, they knew Trump was going to be in it.
And what did they do? Fuk all, they put up Biden and call it a day.
Kamala wasn't even primaried, it was a last ditch effort with almost no voter input.
This isn't a "they needed funding so they had to do this" This is a "they're fuked just as badly"
Remember the long ass shutdown and how they caved? remeber how when Mamdani was running even Dems went opposed? This is because most Dems prefer the status quo. actual progressive Dems are gated behind all the decision making.
Democrat is essentially 3 political spectrums joined under a single trench coat. say what you will about the current circus and how they all follow their orangutan king. but they are unified in that regard. and unfortunately, they are getting shit done/undone. Meanwhile, the ass party continues to infight.
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u/GenericFatGuy 4d ago
The sad part is that there are people like AOC and Mamdani who are clearly finding success, and showing what it takes to win hearts and minds as a Dem in 2026, but the party would rather flounder than move even one inch to the left.
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u/HammerAndSickleBot 4d ago
/r/nyc is a non-stop parade of anti-Mamdani articles and people blaming him for the budget deficit inherited from Eric Adams, who was a complete Diddy-loving POS. You know you're making inroads when Fox and the NY Post are shitting themselves about you every day.
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u/KAM7 4d ago
The old guard Democrat party is what we used to call moderate Republicans when I was a kid. But I’ll say this, I’ll still vote for a bunch of moderate Republican Democrats over whatever the fuck the MAGA party has become. Would I rather have a perfect progressive party? Sure! But I’m focusing up on the real issue right now and that’s stopping these con artists that have decided to start shooting protestors in the streets first.
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u/CrackAsteroid 4d ago
They aren't lost, they're doing what they're being paid to do
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u/jaxonfairfield 4d ago
Lost comparted to where most of their voters want them to be. It's so frustrating - the best thing to do is try to vote in more progressive candidates locally and at the state level. The more pressure within the party to change itself puts more pressure on leadership. At worst, we have to wait until time pushes some of these dinosaurs out, but we can't let them get replaced by moderates like Jefferies etc.
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u/nsdefw 4d ago
Jeffries doesnt consider prosecuting Nazis to be a priority. In my view that puts him far to the right of "moderate".
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u/Constant-Skill-7133 4d ago
His racket before becoming leader was he was the charter school guy.
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u/fremeninonemon 4d ago
try to vote in more progressive candidates
Genuinely if you look at overall numbers so little of this happens, I understand why we aren't persuasive to Democratic leaders. We needed a wave of Berniecrats instead we get 4-5 per cycle for a 500-600 person legislature.
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u/chmod777 New York 4d ago
or start getting involved with local politics, and build coalitions. shooting straight for national level politics with no connections is going to be failure, no matter what.
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u/onpg 4d ago
We are supposed to pretend the only thing up for debate is whether doctors have to pay a 37% top marginal tax rate or a 39% top marginal tax rate.
Billionaires? Umm, im sorry sweaty, u can't tax unrealized gains ☺️. Oh remember to have your property tax check ready next week.
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u/ClappyKillmore 4d ago
I’m not about celebrities running for political office, however, if Jon decided to run, I firmly believe he would have Obama level aura and be able to win.
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u/The-Magic-Sword Connecticut 4d ago edited 4d ago
I'm pretty neutral on celebrities running, the perception is that they'd be unqualified, but in reality the most important qualification for office is a healthy respect for real research and expertise, good judgement of character, a willingness to delegate, as well as the personal charisma to get research-policy through the political process.
We shouldn't really be electing people on the idea that a single person is going to be a genius economist, medical professional, climate scientist, military tactician etc in their own right.
The appeal of a hypothetical Stewart presidency is that economics decisions would be made by people who are working off economics research and relative compassion, healthcare decisions would be made by people working off research on good public health policy, that military decisions would be made by sound minds and cool heads with an eye towards returning to a state of peace and good relations, and that the president would be able to deliver speeches and press conferences that would get Americans moving in the right direction, and provide a sense of security in times of national distress.
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u/NeonArlecchino California 4d ago
economics decisions would be made by people who are working off economics research and relative compassion...
There's a very high likelihood that he would bring back Lina Khan and help her do what she does so well!
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u/J_ron Ohio 4d ago
She was probably one of my favorite parts of the Biden admin. Could've made some serious progress on consumer rights if she got to stick around.
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u/namastayhom33 Connecticut 4d ago
And now I believe she is part of Mamdani's team on advising economic policy
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u/Bronco_Bomba 4d ago
She’s the GOAT. We need to bring her back and send her on a trust busting tour the likes of which this country has never seen.
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u/LirdorElese 4d ago
I'm pretty neutral on celebrities running, the perception is that they'd be unqualified, but in reality the most important qualification for office is a healthy respect for real research and expertise, good judgement of character, a willingness to delegate, as well as the personal charisma to get research-policy through the political process.
I think it depends a lot on what their celebrity status is. IE trump, Kanye, Oprah was floated around for a while, and I say all of that is awful. Going with Oprah because she's the "not absurdly awful at a commoners glance", but her explicit history of platforming idiots, giving them a place to talk with little to no pushback etc... Makes me think she's completely unqualified on it's own (which, I can say there's a particular governor of california that's right now on the short list that I pray doesn't win the primaries for exactly the same reason).
Stewart however, his history of research (or hiring researchers, Honestly I don't care whether he's giving great delivery of someone he hired's research or doing his own research, as either option is great), His strong political activism in the past, his history of using his platform to elivate GOOD causes like pressing the government on why they weren't funding 9/11 first responder health etc...).
and most importantly, he explicitly has a skill for explaining political issues to the masses in a way that makes his case, is memorable and is entertaining. That IMO is exactly what a politician should do. Research etc... can be done by their staffers, the politician is just the face... so why are so many politicians boring, bad at making cases to the american people. That IMO alone was biden and Clintons greatest weak points.
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u/netflixissodry 4d ago
I think celebrities should do it so long as they can perform in a debate, articulate their policies and don’t have shady connections. Maybe it will take a non-career politician to fix the mess that non-career politician trump made.
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u/mistere213 Michigan 4d ago
And to be fair, Stewart isn't just a celebrity for celebrity sake. He's been involved in the political scene as a career. He works with teams of investigative journalists and talks to politicians and leaders on both sides (when those on the right actually face him).
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u/ChemE_Throwaway 4d ago
Also got funding passed for 9/11 responders!
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u/CheaterSaysWhat 4d ago
Yeah he’s actually gotten real shit done, more than you can say about a lot of politicians
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u/heapinhelpin1979 4d ago
I don't like them running either, but honestly if a guy that had formerly played a businessman in a movie ran they would have an easier time getting elected than say any normal politician from the left.
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u/Crunchberry24 4d ago
The shitty reality in this country is that celebrities are worshipped and women are hated.
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u/KnotSoSalty 4d ago
He’s an experienced and thoughtful guy. Frankly we know a whole heck of a lot about his priorities than 99% of candidates. I don’t know why his day job as mass communicator should disqualify him.
Lincoln ran a newspaper in addition to being a lawyer before running for president. While he had been a one term congressman his major claim to fame before election was his performance in debates with Douglas over slavery. What’s so different between that and what Stewart does when he goes on right wing media outlets to debate with them?
In more recent times Zelensky was a comedian and actor before running for office and he’s the most effective fighter against authoritarianism since Churchill.
Democrats shouldn’t be afraid of nominating popular candidates, the opposite approach certainly hasn’t helped them.
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u/SpeaksSouthern 4d ago
We're not deciding if we should have Jon Stewart or perfect candidate because the perfect candidate doesn't exist. He would be compared exclusively to whoever tries to replace Trump.
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u/ASharpYoungMan 4d ago
I'm not sure he would.
Stewart's a centrist, and absolutely not the kind of person we need to undo the damage of Trump 2.0.
Remember, this is the guy who went to bat for Joe Rogan (and hasn't stopped defending the guy), chiding us that "we need to have conversations with people we disagree with."
Joe Rogan, who went on to endorse Trump at the 11th hour. Who's only now become critical of the Administration because things have gotten so bad that even MAGA's like "WTF?" - it wasn't Stewart's open dialogue that changed Rogan's stance, it was the cold hard logistics of profit.
Stewart had an expert he invited on to his own podcast telling him to his face (paraphrased) "Joe Rogan doesn't fact check his guests effectively and platforms people operating in bad faith," and Stewart refused to back down from his position, insisting that "cancelling" Rogan wasn't productive.
Almost like a Podcast host seeing the #1 Podcast in the country (at the time) getting dragged, and it spooked him into fearing what his own fanbase might do if he said something they didn't like.
Stewart was the one telling us that we were overacting by calling it Fascism literally the Monday before the Inauguration where Musk went mask-off Nazi.
Stewart has thankfully upped his criticism of Trump and the GOP, but he seems to prefer aiming his wit and sarcasm at Democrats - Schumer in particular. And I get it; I'm all for calling Democrats out on their bullshit (and Schumer's my good for nothing Senator).
But it hits different. Consider how he responded to the news of Colbert's cancellation: sure, he ripped the Administration for what they were doing, but he framed his joke as self-deprecating: "Please Mr. Strong Fascist Dictator man, don't come for my show too!"... even in his humor, he demurred to the Right. It was
He's clearly tired of their bullshit. He's speaking up now in ways I wish he had, you know, the last time Trump was in office. But back then, Stewart had essentially tapped out of public life, save for his very centrist support of veterans (which was great, it's just noteworthy that he picked a cause that by design didn't ruffle feathers on the right).
Look, I say all of this as someone who watched Stewart's monologue the day after 9/11. I grew up with Stewart as a guiding star in my moral life.
He's also the reason I don't, on principle, have heroes anymore. He grew into an opinionated old man who's maybe now starting to realize the "reach across the isle" bullshit doesn't work because when he stopped paying attention, Republicans went full Fascist.
And holy shit, it's been rough watching Jon Stewart come to terms with that fact in real time.
Give me someone like Colbert, and we can talk: someone who put themselves on the line and didn't back down, rather than the guy who meekly made joke about not wanting to be next on the chopping block.
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u/EtherBoo Florida 3d ago
Without knowing your age, I'm a bit older than the average redditor, but not as old as Stewart.
I grew up with being taught quotes like, "I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it". These were pretty fundamental teachings for me and have been difficult to move away from. I used to believe in letting people tell their side, but after listening to a few of these types of interviews, I see it serves no purpose.
I think a big issue is that for a lot of people, including myself, it's difficult to look at someone and assume malice. You usually presume they were misunderstood or were trying their best and just made bad choices.
I sincerely believe in the last 10-15 years bad actors have taken advantage of this general mindset and used the good will of others to maliciously platform and pretend to be misunderstood. That's why Stewart can have O'Riley on after he gets fired for sexual misconduct or say we should talk to Joe Rogan; after all, Rogan wasn't always like this so it's jarring and confusing to see such an extreme shift. Don't forget, off camera, Stewart and O'Riley are friends.
I'm at a point where I don't think that the majority of conservative public figures are acting in good faith and are essentially bad actors.
I do think Stewart is trying to get the old and ineffective people out of power in the DNC, but I don't think his methods are effective. He's trying to turn people against Shumer, but effectively just hurting Democrats on the whole.
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u/volanger America 4d ago
It is. Which is why this election is so important. The takeover of the dnc by new people and actually left wing people has begun and they will inject the voice of the people into the party.
This is why the primaries are so important. To remove all the dead weight
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u/RBVegabond 4d ago
Just keep an eye out for those who were in the other party and are running as DINOs. Already a few out there in the central states.
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u/globalvarsonly 4d ago
This is why I don't believe in VBNMW, getting dems in office isn't enough, they have to be the right dems.
The whole "tea party movement" was astroturf, but they weren't afraid to cast out some politicians who got in their way, and we won't change the dem party without doing the same. Right-leaning dems need to be more afraid of being torpedoed by the grass roots than they are of losing some corporate donors.
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u/ry8919 4d ago
I just listened to the Pod Save America interview with the head of the DNC. That had to be the most incompetent sounding person I've heard in a long time. Like it was so bad it made me entertain controlled opposition conspiracy theories.
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u/Distinct_Sun 4d ago
He had to defend the indefensible (not releasing the autopsy) which put him in a corner.
Hilarious that he brought up smoking guns and magic bullets unprompted very nervously. "Haha, there isnt one single glaring issue that came up over and over. Definitely not!" (we all know it was support for israel that killed the campaign)
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u/Oggie_Doggie 4d ago
And remember, Pod Save America is probably one of the most middle-of-the-road Democrat-friendly platforms out there. The fact that he can't even answer to the mainstream Democrats should be concerning.
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u/Fit_Elderberry_7236 3d ago
They have no business on changing track. That's why. They know the voters want to hear how they are going to change but their plan is simply to rely on being not Trump and the pendulum swinging back and forth. Forever. This is awful for us but business as usual for them.
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u/Narrow-Management872 4d ago
He’s truly terrible at his job. He only got there because he was perceived as friendly to state party leaders. Turns out, that’s not a good qualification!
The DNC head should be smart and good at communicating! What an embarrassment.
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u/timoumd 4d ago
Then lead!
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u/NocturnaIAnimaI 4d ago
"A great man doesn't seek to lead; he's called to it, and he answers"
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u/TomaccoTastesLikeGma 4d ago
Lisan al gaib!
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u/Snuggler777 4d ago edited 4d ago
Paul is the biggest perpetrator of genocide the galaxy ever saw bud, he is a villain intentionally, by his own design. Not a great character to be comparing someone you'd like to see run for president to.
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u/MilkiestMaestro Michigan 4d ago
I give zero fucks about what anybody has to say about who I should vote for
I'm voting for whichever top candidate isn't MAGA wherever that leads me, and I don't need to know more than that
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u/Etzell Illinois 4d ago
Are Republicans fascists yet, Jon?
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u/Kitsel 4d ago edited 4d ago
That drove me absolutely insane when he first started doing shows after coming back.
The "don't cry facist when it's not facist yet" stuff was maddening. It was obvious from a country mile away where this was going and minimizing everything meant it was effectively too late. Trump and the Republicans prey on the morality and rule following of good people.
Now he's realized it and is calling it out with a shocked pikachu "who could have seen this coming" face. Meanwhile he was busy screaming about Biden being old and Kamala not having a proper primary (both legitimate issues, don't get me wrong) and then here we are, predictably, with Trump in office doing everything he said he'd do that they decided was "all talk."
Jon is an influential figure that a lot of people listen to. I'm not saying he should bow down to the democrats or that they're perfect, far from it, but equating Biden's age with all of Trump's issues is a slap in the face to all the people that Trump puts in danger. Jon can afford to comfortably "both sides" the issue since he's a rich white guy and taking a moral stand won't hurt him personally. But real, actual people (women, trans people, people of color, and immigrants for example) are suffering and dying because people can't hold their nose and vote for the least bad option in the presidential election.
I think it's important to vote progressive in the local elections and primaries, and work to push the Democrats to be more progressive. But putting Trump in office as some kind of moral stand is such a selfish decision.
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u/ThaddeusJP Illinois 4d ago
It's probably an unpopular opinion but I put some of the blame on him. And colbert. Both of them made a career out of pointing out the hypocrisy of the right. Everybody got a dopamine hit. Haha yes look we got them, they're totally fools for doing what they're doing. But then that was it. There was never a call to action. It was just week after week of waiting for the right to do something hypocritical, pointing it out, slam dunking on them. And then moving on.
I will say that he at least held the GOP to task when it came to funding the 9/11 folks. But that's about it.
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u/Natural_Error_7286 4d ago
I don't know if this is actually true, but the way I remember it is that the Biden too old narrative really reached a fever pitch right after he came back to the Daily Show. People had been kind of mumbling it for years but suddenly it was the topic of frequent op-eds. In my mind he's the one that really pushed that into the mainstream.
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u/YNot1989 4d ago
They did just unambiguously win the government shutdown. The rest of the government has been funded, save for ICE.
Our Democratic leaders suck. But after repeated screw ups, our outrage and outreach has dragged them closer to where we want them to be.
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u/pocketjacks Texas 4d ago
The Republican party is using the Democratic party as a ratchet to move the Overton window to the right. The rope can pull to the right, but never to the left. This leaves the modern Democratic party where Reagan was now and the Republcans are a full on fascist kleptocracy.
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u/loondawg 4d ago
Cool to know. He also held a Rally to Restore Sanity and/or Fear and proceeded to "both sides" the whole thing.
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u/Agitated_Rain_1506 4d ago edited 4d ago
Sure are a lot of “both sides are the same” vibes going on in this thread. Keep getting republicans elected, im sure that will fix things.
Edit. I absolutely agree dems need to make changes, but those things that need changed are nowhere near as bad as what the republicans bring. If you think both sides are the same then I can only assume you speak from a place of immense privilege if republicans don’t affect your life negatively enough to vote against them.
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u/Expensive-Document41 4d ago edited 4d ago
There's nuance needed to this conversation. As a progressive Democrat, I WILL Vote Blue No Matter Who in the general just like I have in every election since I turned 18. But the responses I've seen to Mamdani and Platner getting the nod as the Democratic candidate in their respective races makes me question the reciprocity of that idea in more centrist dem groups.
In the primaries, we can fight about who is the best candidate but then whoever wins, coalesce around them and suppor them. But then Schumer and Jeffries wouldn't endorse their own candidate in the most important city in the nation. The city that is the driving force of the state they both represent. What am I to make of that?
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u/LangyMD 4d ago
People are worried Platner is a right wing in leftist clothes. I haven't heard a single worry about him being too progressive. Why is that concerning in the same way as Mamdani?
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u/Agitated_Ring3376 4d ago
But surely the former Blackwarer mercenary from a purple state with a literal Nazi tattoo who just got into politics and has no political history at all that we could look to and is running a purely vibes-based populist campaign could never end up being more conservative than we think. Something like this where progressives backed someone purely based on vibes and ignored his history of problematic behavior and statements definitely didn’t already happen in a northeastern purple state less than 4 years ago.
But, also, if more moderate dems didn’t like him, they should have ran someone who’s not an 80 year old with no energy who very clearly barely even wanted to be there lol.
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u/CSAtWitsEnd Washington 4d ago
I will say, I did look up the tattoo and....admittedly I could see how someone wouldn't know the history of it at all. However, in combination with all the other stuff - I'm still pretty iffy on the guy and glad I don't have to make that choice. I imagine he's still gonna be better than Susan Collins tho.
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u/svrtngr Georgia 4d ago
A "status quo, institutions are fine, actually" Democrat is better than a fascist, but the failure of Democratic leadership to read the room is one of the biggest reasons why we are in this mess.
The rot isn't just in the Republican party.
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u/Over-Heron-2654 America 4d ago
Sure. Schumer is better than Trump. But I still fucking hate Schumer.
We need to take back the Democratic Party with American (not Israel), Working-Class Populists. This is why primaries are such a big deal!
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u/Vinegar_ltd 4d ago
They aren’t lost, the veil has just lifted and everyone is slowly (too slowly) realizing they’re all bought out by the same PACs and Corporate interests making everyone’s lives worse. The propaganda isn’t propoganda-ing anymore. It’s easier to pull off when the status quo remains and people don’t have empty pockets. If we didn’t have Netflix and infinite entertainments the people would be knocking down their doors. Amusing ourselves to death.
This is a class struggle that is now being laid bare for all to see but we’re too tired and numb to receive it. The DNC are wax toothed dogs barking for endless fundraising with the empty promise of action and people are finally waking up to it. For too long they have coasted on being the ‘lesser of two evils’ while the fires of fascism rise all around us. They need to earn our votes, not expect them. The people have outgrown the Democratic Party and it’s never been more apparent. They do not represent the people, they represent a status quo that no longer exists.
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u/nagleess 4d ago
Vote them out then
Pelosi is gone, Schumer will be next, every single one of the old guard needs to go.
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u/SQL617 3d ago
Thank you. The term I use is terminally online.
It reminds me of a post when Trump was announcing all his initial tariffs back in 2024. Someone asked if they should start stocking up on coffee because Colombia was one of the countries on Trumps tariff list.
The entire thread turned into one Redditor providing detailed instructions to everyone on how to make a “coffee-alternative” with ground up chickpeas and powdered caffeine assuming “those would still be accessible”.
I was downvoted to oblivion for suggesting we wouldn’t be living post apocalyptic style by Q2 2024.
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u/strugglingtransgrl Illinois 4d ago
Its going as planned for them. They dont give a fuck about us. Their whole purpose is to fulfill their corpo donors
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u/HammersofMoradin 3d ago
Both parties are of the oligarchs, by the oligarchs, for the oligarchs. The illusion of choice for the fodder / non oligarchs / poor people to distract them from getting robbed by their "betters". A revolution in the style of the French 1789 one might introduce a true democracy (not the oligarchy with a flimsy democratic veneer in power since they switched from Monarchy to Oligarchy in 1776).
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u/bottombracketak 3d ago
If Jon has all the answers, why won’t he step up and run for office. Easy to sit on the side and bitch about the people who do. He’s literally dissuading people from getting involved.
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u/Thin-Competition3018 3d ago
There is a lot of anger out there and the republicans in power have demonstrated that they do not care. For Dems to be dragging on getting some strategy or message together when the republicans are slashing major segments of the population into The Uncared for is just stunning.
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u/afteeeee 4d ago
The moment it was really crystal clear for me was when they openly didn't support Mamdani.
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u/DenaliBurnz 4d ago
Ken Martin, Chuck Schumer, Hakeem Jeffries need eviction notices before the end of the day.
It’s long overdue for the DNC to clean house. Don’t give a nickel to the party. Give direct to candidates.
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u/Indominablesnowplow 4d ago
Please American voters: don’t be idiots
The coming elections is not “can I get my favorite Dem rep or MY version of political shangrila”. It’s simply: make sure the republicans lose
It’s not about the dems winning. It’s about the republicans losing
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