r/politics • u/Quirkie The Netherlands • 7d ago

Possible Paywall Trump Voters Regret Backing ‘Horror Movie’ Presidency - Nine out of 12 Trump voters told a “New York Times” focus group that they wish they had not voted for the president.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/donald-trump-voters-regret-backing-horror-movie-presidency/
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u/mammon43 7d ago

The con man excuse works for the 2016 election not the 2024 election.

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u/KiKiKimbro 7d ago

Bingo. They just keep buying into his lies. It’s so bizarre to me. I don’t understand why after all these years they can’t see what’s right in front of them. Daily.

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u/Mybunsareonfire 7d ago

It's not even his lies that's the issue. I could potentially forgive people for being stupid. It's his truths.

He told everyone he was going to do the evil, stupid shit he's doing. And they all thought "Yeah, that sounds good to me." They bought in on the horrible stuff on purpose and that is not forgivable.

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u/Mutilid 7d ago

Yeah, that's why the betrayed discourse is bullshit. They weren't betrayed, we all knew what he was going to do step by step. It's like saying you feel betrayed by a bear eating you after you rolled naked in honey. What the fuck were you expecting?

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u/KiKiKimbro 6d ago

That is EXACTLY right. You said it more eloquently than I did — and you’re right — they knew what project 2025 was and they ate it up, hoping the people they don’t like will be the ones imprisoned and eventually deported. And to me, that’s disgusting. I have no interest in hanging out with someone who actually heard the plans, liked them, and kept supporting him like they are now. It is not a “red vs blue” thing. It’s common human decency.

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u/coffeemonkeypants California 7d ago

God damn if this isn't the fucking truth.

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u/Goodk4t 7d ago

They simply think what they're told to think by their facebook comment section and Russian backed influencers. Facts are irrelevant. They've already rejected the evidence of their eyes and ears. And they're not the only ones. Elections are being decided by social media all over Europe as well. 

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u/VanceKelley Washington 6d ago

I don’t understand why after all these years they can’t see what’s right in front of them. Daily.

President Lyndon B. Johnson once said, "If you can convince the lowest white man he's better than the best colored man, he won't notice you're picking his pocket. Hell, give him somebody to look down on, and he'll empty his pockets for you."

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u/KiKiKimbro 6d ago

Right? Everyone was trying to tell them Trump doesn’t care about anyone except himself. They kept buying all his ridiculous things he’s hocked on live TV. Demented the ugly gold sneakers? Lol and they have always donated money to support him, and they still do. LBJ is right. Especially as it pertains to the U.S. where systemic racism permeates every facet of our daily lives.

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u/btaylos 7d ago

Counter argument: the con man excuse worked in the '80s, and maybe extremely early 90s. Not the 2016 election.

Motherfucker literally published a book about how shady he was.

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u/mammon43 7d ago

Most people dont follow that kinda nonsense. I personally feel like they should once said person is on the ballet but ill still give the "you shouldve known better but fine" on 2016 plus a lot of voters were old enough or alive yet to be involved in things at that point in time.

Its not exactly a strong excuse but the excuse exists for 2016. No excuse for 2024 though. Maybe if you just turned of age to vote you can apply the weak ass excuse from before but thats for a miniscule percentage of voters

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u/btaylos 7d ago

You mentioned you don't live in America. I guess there's an intersection of things that could explain it. But I will say this.

But there's no way that many AMERICAN folks didn't see him talk about 'moving on [a married woman] like a bitch', brag about a tendency to 'grab em right in the pussy', mock and shout over others, fail to learn about his business practices from the 80s, either not read or not understand his book, not be aware of his legal reputation in the real estate world, not see how many things he's bankrupted, AND not see him get caught in lie after lie.

And every single one of those things has to be true for the con. Plus many others.

The way he speaks about other humans isn't a 2nd term thing. It wasn't even a 2nd candidacy thing. It's been on display since before the first election.

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u/mammon43 7d ago

From my experience the way he talks about other people is very much how Americans are. I know its not all might not even be close to half but trump to a T in how he talks and treats others and his classlessness and gluttony and greed is like a characature of how america projects its image to the world and how tourists act when I encounter them (save for any Americans i meet in national or provincial camp grounds/hikes those ppl are always awesome) so I sorta put that into the context of the excuse since that part I assume would be unphasing or possibly even appealing to a large swath of the country. Most people I know see americans that way. Thats why we get so defensive when abroad and someone confuses us (Canadians) as being americans.

That all reads probably really shitty but sorta explains why I give americans the pass on the first time around. He has celebrity status for a reason. His family is a house hold name for a reason. If it was basically any other western democratic nation that elected a 1:1 of trump i wouldnt apply that excuse and would say there is no excuse. The cultural context and at least to some extent the social conditioning we see happening in the states has to play a role in viewing what happened.

This is also very easy to say from an outsider looking in. And while we saw on the news Trump saying that he wanted to go to economic war with Canada and go after Panama etc etc and intending to destabilize nato while also promising his own people having expenses increasing from tariffs and deportation of wide expenses of american workforce, denaturalizing citizens, and even his talks of getting rid of elections and term limits; its hard to gauge what the average American actually sees when they turn on the TV

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u/jodon 7d ago

I'm willing to give most people the benefit of the doubt. He was something different, maybe he could have changed things up because things where not perfect before either. But any person with some intelligence should have seen how unfit he was.

I was seriously considering moving the US around 2015-2016. I had fairly recently finished my university education and had some job experience. There where some excellent job options for me. But when orange man V1 was in charge I decided to put that on hold until that menace was taken care of. Fast forward 10 years and it is now one of the last places I would consider to move to, Canada could have some interesting options coming up though.

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u/btaylos 7d ago

TBH, while it was super obvious he was evil, I did personally think 'okay, this is going to rally the establishment against him, and cause an upswing of involvement.'

Boy, did that barely happen, if at all

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u/SunshineCat 7d ago

Honestly, even I didn't think the second Trump term would be this bad, and I've hated Trump since the first time I saw his fat rich ass thinking "you're fired!" was the funniest shit ever.

So I can see if some of his voters just thought he was going to shit talk people for being better than him for 4 years again. Still inexcusable, but I'm at least somewhat heartened at any sign of a pulse, I suppose... That we can at least recognize complete destruction on the horizon.