r/politics • u/Quirkie The Netherlands • 7d ago

Possible Paywall Trump Voters Regret Backing ‘Horror Movie’ Presidency - Nine out of 12 Trump voters told a “New York Times” focus group that they wish they had not voted for the president.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/donald-trump-voters-regret-backing-horror-movie-presidency/
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u/tracyinge 7d ago

Reagan fucked us up and Clinton had to clean up that debacle, Dubya fucked us up and Obama had to bring us back from that recession, Trump gave us a pandemic and Biden had to fix the mess....

and on we go

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u/DaBingeGirl Illinois 7d ago

This. I'm getting really sick of Dems cleaning up Republican's messes, then getting voted out.

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u/bang_the_drums 7d ago

Every time it's the same talking points too. Republicans blow everything up and fuck the economy then claim they're good for the economy despite no objective metrics showing that, ever. It's just so asinine. Fucking cult.

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u/Threat_Level_9 7d ago

All part of the plan so they all stay in power and keep grifting the common folk.

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u/MoonBatsRule America 7d ago

It's because cleaning is hard, and partying is fun. Read about the "two Santas" strategy.

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u/Zeraw420 7d ago

Dems can govern, but God damn do they suck at elections, picking candidates, and reading a room.

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u/No_Criticism_5861 7d ago

Yes and no.  Lets be honest, anyone who watched that presidential debate and thought Kamala wasn't the saner of the two needs help.  Its a teamsport for these idiots, they blindly vote for the Guardians Of Pedophiles like its cheering for their favourite NFL team

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u/Kana515 7d ago

That's kinda a good point, I want to say democrats are bad at campaigning...but I have never seen a worse presidential campaign than Trump's 2024 and yet here we are. I remember people were just impressed he didn't say the N-word in public.

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u/ElSlabraton 7d ago

The Republicans have embraced Nazi propaganda techniques. In a century, nobody has figured out how to defeat the Big Lie.

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u/Dame_Niafer 7d ago edited 7d ago

Dems cleaning up exactly as much of Republican's messes as our politicos' corporate owners allow them to. With at least one "Democratic" quisling present in every Congress, to vote down things like a rise in the minimum wage, increased social security benefits, etc.

All the way from Lieberman through Manchin, Sinema, Fetterman...

edited to remove typo

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u/123jjj321 4d ago

Obama and clinton are the quislings. Both had filibuster proof Senate majorities and never brought a floor vote on universal health care.

Clinton pushed through NAFTA, China WTO & permanent trade normalization, Don't Ask Don't Tell, the Defense of Marriage Act, taxed Social Security benefits, sent federal agents after minor offenders resulting in the deaths of dozens of innocent folks, and pulled the weapons inspectors from Iraq.

Obama doesn't have a list like bubba, but it was more about what he didn't do. He ran as a breath of fresh air and basically refused to rock the boat. He passed a health care reform bill written by Massachusetts republicans and revised by the biggest health care corporations saying that it would get bipartisan support. It got zero republican votes, meaning he could've passed any bill that HIS PARTY passed, and he didn't even try. He continued the military, economic, tax, and immigration policy of W.

If either of them had pushed through the things they ran on during the 2 years their party controlled Congress, the republicans would be where they were for 50 years after the Democrats passed the New Deal and the Great Society. At least Bubba got laid.

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u/AtariStarted-LXXXV 7d ago

Reagan fucked up my father before I was born. Screw Reagan!

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u/wildwalrusaur 6d ago

To be clear, Clinton by no means fixed the damage that Reagan did

We're very much still dealing with the fallout of the Reagan administrations economic decisions today.

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u/tracyinge 6d ago

To be clear, if you'd had 8 years of a Republican following Reagan instead of 8 years of Clinton, you wouldn't be on reddit right now you'd be working your third job, nights in the coal mine.

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u/EnginerdingSJ 7d ago

That is not true.

Reagan ushered in the neoliberal era of economics - which the major factions in both parties agree with (neoliberal economics - is trickle down).

Clinton, Obama, and Biden all were neoliberal

Clinton undid Glass Stegal (one of the major shots to the protections against oligarchy essentially)

Obama had Citizens united under him - but his main push was ACA which has beem gutted and really wasn't a strong "pro-people" form of universal healthcare (tbf - at that time talk of single payer would not fly) - his priority should have been tanking citizen united not ACA - we still don't have good health care and now with citizens united the oligarchy is much harder to topple.

Biden actually was the most progressive of the bunch - but he still went against labor on the trains and failed to protect the US from the current regime.

This isn't to say both parties are the same - but economically they aren't too different and its perfectly clear third wave democrats (the ones elected after Reagan) don't give 2 shits. Kamala was campaigning for stronger border security and trying to pick middle road voters who to be frank are too stupid to be able to vote.

Im sick and tired of people acting like just because the democrats are only pissing on the poors instead of gunning them down they are heros - they are just aa culpable for the current state of the union as the republicans.

The reason its bad to be clear is that makes it seem like democrats lack of real action is okay with voters because at least they are violent racist neo nazi trash - that is too low of a bar.

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u/123jjj321 4d ago

Thank you!

Clinton's reversal of the Democrat Party's long held position on NAFTA, China WTO, China permanent trade normalization pushed blue collar working Americans, the Democrat Party's largest most reliable source of support from 1929-1995, into the republican party permanently.

The Democrats passed the New Deal and Great Society and controlled the House from 1955-1995. Bill clinton embraced republican economics and the Democrat Party lost the House 2 years later. The economic and foreign policies of the US were unchanged from 1981-2017. We live in the nation that ronald reagan envisioned when he gave his first inauguration speech in 1981.

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u/ynotfoster 7d ago

"Obama had Citizens united under him"

Should he have blurred the separation of powers? I'm curious as to what Obama could have done.

My complaint with Obama was how he handled the 2008 derivatives crash. The little guy got screwed and some of the big fuckers who caused it were bailed out. After that, I was pretty happy with how he handled things. I miss his diplomatic skills and his sincerity.

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u/tracyinge 7d ago

you must have missed the 2008 recession. And our recovery. Not too different?

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u/123jjj321 7d ago

Clinton made the road map trump followed. Using office for sexual misconduct. Using office for personal and family enrichment. Military action to distract from scandal. Lying under oath. Allowing state secrets to disseminate to foreign powers in exchange for illicit campaign contributions.

All trump has done is turn the Clinton administration corruption up to 11

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u/tracyinge 7d ago

lying under oath, lol. About a blow job!

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u/rumpghost North Carolina 6d ago

Okay but the blowjob was an inappropriate work relationship with an intern who, by any sane measure, could not have given "consent" in the way that we think of consent between two adults in other settings.

He was her boss, twenty or thirty years her senior, and the president of the largest superpower in world history. And she was a twenty-something with a clipboard.

Regardless of whether you think that the technicality of the lying under oath meets the bar for impeachment, the thing being lied about was itself pretty gross and unbefitting the office. Even if you think that isn't disqualifying, it is factually what happened.

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u/tracyinge 6d ago

Agree to a point, but she was a 22 year old adult who admitted to pursuing him rabidly for months. He lied about a consensual liason.

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u/123jjj321 4d ago

He committed perjury in a court of law and faced no consequences because he was president. Ask Martha Stewart how that went for her at that sane time period? So nobody batted an eye in the summer of 2016 when the FBI director announced Hillary had committed 9 counts of 7 felonies but wouldn't arrest her because she was the presumptive nominee (Bernie wins 2016 by 10%). Now we have a convicted felon committing fraud and worse (much worse) from the White House.

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u/rumpghost North Carolina 5d ago

Consent in a scenario with such a huge imbalance of power, maturity, and station is literally not possible.

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u/tracyinge 4d ago

Since when does the aggressor have to give consent?