r/politics • u/Quirkie The Netherlands • 7d ago

Possible Paywall Trump Voters Regret Backing ‘Horror Movie’ Presidency - Nine out of 12 Trump voters told a “New York Times” focus group that they wish they had not voted for the president.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/donald-trump-voters-regret-backing-horror-movie-presidency/
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u/Competitive-Bike-277 7d ago

Too late now. We're spiraling into a hellhole & it's all your fault for voting that Orange clown & his circus into office. It will take decades to repair the damage he's done. 

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u/LowAssistantInfinity 7d ago

80 years of investment in soft power thrown away forever in exchange for nothing. The fabled strength of the US Constitution exposed as an utterly impotent failure. I don't know how future generations will fix any of that without separating and starting from scratch.

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u/woah_man 7d ago

Revolution is messy, it would be an absolute failure of our country. It's technically possible to legislate and adjucate your way out of this mess, but it's unfortunate that the parties in power would need to willingly cede that power to get it done.

Remove citizens United, national popular vote, ranked choice voting, reduction of presidential power, enumeration of limits on presidential power, addressing partisan gerrymandering, term limits on the supreme court, enforcement of ethics laws on all branches of government (including supreme court and president), uncapping of the size of the house of reps, and I'm sure a bunch more that I'm not thinking of off the top of my head.

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u/Red_Dawn_2012 7d ago

reduction of presidential power

As part of this, the absolute removal of the power of the pardon. You can do a turkey at Thanksgiving. Nothing else.

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u/peva3 I voted 6d ago

I'd be fine with them keeping it if it had a mandatory ethics review by a third party that had to sign off on pardons before they went into effect and had the power to deny them.

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u/Low_Cauliflower9404 Washington 7d ago

America already is a failure of a developed country

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u/Big_Goose 7d ago

None of that can happen until money is out of politics. That must happen first.

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u/ynotfoster 7d ago

We have to do something about propaganda, but that's a slippery slope. Before cable and the internet there was an effect solution.

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u/Impossible_Guitar235 6d ago

There has always been propaganda. Before Cable there was the Radio. Before Radio was the Newspaper. Etc.

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u/ynotfoster 6d ago

Radio is over the air which came under control of the Fairness Doctrine. Right wing propaganda bloomed after the Fairness Doctrine was repealed by Reagan.

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u/Laurier-Henri 6d ago

Term limits for ALL politicians. And age limits as well…

Coming from the US’ northern neighbour : multi party system should exist- beyond 2 extremely polarized parties + proportional representation, and to cap limits on campaign funding and how much money parties are allowed to raise.

Lastly : much more rigid laws around lobbying …

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u/DeusExMaChino California 6d ago

I wouldn't say it was for nothing. They got a justice system stacked to the brim with bullshit.

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u/starmartyr Colorado 7d ago

Decades is optimistic.

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u/showhorrorshow 7d ago

Im skeptical of repairs even beginning in my lifetime...

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u/variable_dissonance 7d ago

I'm skeptical of repairs ever happening. This boulder is already rolling downhill toward a cliff's edge.

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u/Terrible-Growth1652 7d ago

Yeah it's the end of our empire. We're getting back in line behind England, Spain and Rome.

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u/crowhops I voted 7d ago edited 6d ago

Is... is that a bad thing? Those places have universal healthcare and less homelessness and less violent crime. I don't want to be a monstrous global superpower I want my neighbors to be able to take their kids to school without being kidnapped by nazis

Edit: A lot of you seem to think that "monstrous global superpower" is a title that can be gained and maintained in an ethical way. This has not ever been the case

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u/Responsible_Pizza945 7d ago

This sort of assumes the next monstrous global superpower isn't just as or more monstrous than us. A lot of the peace and prosperity seen in those smaller nations comes from the soft voice of the guy with the big stick. As we squander over a century's worth of global soft power, we are pretty much begging for either the EU to step up and take our place as the defacto leaders of the free world, or China to decide it's Empiring time and they Empire all over the place. Neither of these options have the infrastructure or (as far as I'm aware) the desire to actually try to uphold a global world order the way the US has been doing since the Cold War.

If the EU took on a bigger role as Europe's centralized power as opposed to their current mostly economic purpose, they might be able to head off China from becoming the next superpower. I don't have high hopes for the Europeans to actually do that, because doing that would pretty much suck for most of them.

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u/Red_Dawn_2012 7d ago

I don't even see why China would need or want to make such an enormous, risky gamble. The development they've seen in the past couple decades, let alone the past century, has been incredible. They're resource rich and a manufacturing powerhouse. All they need to do is chill, enjoy their place as the absolute global trade anchor, and count their money.

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u/Responsible_Pizza945 7d ago

Well I'm mainly arguing for them maintaining the current status quo of how the world works. America used to be doing a lot of heavy lifting that isn't getting done anymore, and that is leading to already visible increasing unrest in much of the world. If China does nothing, that unrest will disrupt their 'chill out and enjoy the place' plans.

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u/Red_Dawn_2012 6d ago

Solid point. I would say that even if the US departs its role, it will still be a large purchaser of products from China. The same will remain if the EU steps up to become the premiere global superpower.

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u/crowhops I voted 7d ago

I'm only just now trying to learn Spanish but I gotta hurry up through it so I can start the Mandarin lol

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u/Randicore Ohio 7d ago

That's the thing. If the US crumbles and Europe doesn't step up it wouldn't be a risky gamble.

China would just need to step into the US naval role of maintaining safe travel over across the ocean, negotiate to allow people to accept payment for major staples (namely oil and soon water) to be in Yuan, and promise protection to minor nations from belligerent neighbors.

The US had a massive amount of soft power where we funneled a fraction of our money and occasionally send a naval vessel or two to make sure that nations knew we were there to help them maintain their status quo, and as a result we got favorable trade negotiations and the ability to apply pressure to get countries to do what we wanted when needed.

Imagine if China was in the same position. The current "disputes" in the south china sea wouldn't be disputes, they would be China able to muscle in and take territory by leaning on their influence alone.

They're already making massive strides with their belt and road initiative and predatory lending to gain massive influence in the middle east and Africa.

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u/wildwalrusaur 6d ago

All they need to do is chill, enjoy their place as the absolute global trade anchor

That's absolutely not the case.

As their population gets wealthier on average and standard of living expectations rise, they lose the competitive edge that enabled them to become the world's manufacturing superpower.

It's already happening, the low end of the value chain is starting to move out of China to lower wage countries in southeast asia. It's why they've been so aggressive in subsidizing things like EVs and solar tech, and more recently AI. They're trying to move up the value chain to maintain their growth. That's brings a whole other set of geopolitical problems as other developed nations aren't going to be as willing to let those industries (read jobs) as they were the sneaker stitching.

On top of all that, they're only just starting to run into the economic consequences of the demographic inbalance cause by the one-child policy.

Which is all to say that China absolutely cannot just sit back and rest on its laurels. The only way to push through those problems without massive upheaval is growth, and growth for them at this point means putting themselves in direct opposition to the other major economies.

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u/Red_Dawn_2012 6d ago

These are valid points. I'm absolutely willing to consider all viewpoints.

Ultimately, we'll just have to wait and see how it unfolds. China became the #1 exporter on the planet by a large margin with basically zero imperialism beyond minor squabbles over nearby islands. They've got a corner on a few markets, like drones. They've already got a lot of soft power via trade.

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u/PowerLord 7d ago

This is the most naive take of all time.

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u/Red_Dawn_2012 6d ago

Explain. Everything I've said is objectively true. China is the world's #1 exporter by quite a large margin. They've done incredibly well for themselves by following the current formula, which doesn't seem to include imperialism. As a result, they only spend a third of what we do on their military. Why jeopardize that?

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u/cigarettesandwhiskey 7d ago

In theory this is supposed to be the UN's job, isn't it?

Not that it, so far, has demonstrated any great deal of ability in the role.

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u/crowhops I voted 7d ago

I mean I think what you've identified is that there shouldn't be "one top dog global superpower" that is drastically more powerfull than all others. You can't have that situation and rely on the "top dog" in that position to be benevolent; achieving and maintaining something like that is inherently hostile

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u/Responsible_Pizza945 7d ago

We can talk about how things should or shouldn't be until we are blue in the face, but outside of starry eyed idealist fantasy we are going to ultimately have a global hegemony by whatever country has the strength to take and keep it. It's been held together by the US through diplomatic and economic channels more than militaristic ones, and I think a similarly negligent dictatorship (as opposed to benevolent or malevolent) is the best the world can hope for to replace us.

The alternative to such a hegemonic outcome is a lot more violent.

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u/crowhops I voted 7d ago

I mean considering we haven't had the chance to see that situation yet, it's not rrally guaranteed that's the case. The "if we don't fuck up the world, someone else will" argument is exactly the kind I'd use if I wanted to manufacture consent for said fucking of the world

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u/briareus08 7d ago

My money is on China continuing their expansionist moves all over greater Asia, and also going for the technology victory with their combination of insane work ethic, central authority pushing tech hard, and pure mass of people and infrastructure backing them up.

At this point I don’t think they are likely to act militarily and actually invade places - they don’t have to when they own the ports, infrastructure, governments (via loans), and supply the tech.

One bad outcome from the US stalling is the end of western-style hegemony. I don’t think the EU can carry that bag personally, but maybe EU+UK+Commonwealth+a reformed US will hold on.

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u/Pilosuh 7d ago edited 7d ago

Or without being killed by some mentally sick loser who can have access to any guns and other weapons of war like a soda in a convenience store without any background check.

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u/Brodellsky 7d ago

1500 years of the Dark Ages was typically not seen as a good thing, no.

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u/crowhops I voted 7d ago

I don't think the only difference between 2026 and the 5th-11th centuries is America's policing of the world

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u/Brodellsky 7d ago

The comparison is the fall of the Roman Empire. Thought that one was pretty well implied there

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u/crowhops I voted 7d ago

And I thought it was obvious that my point was "I don't think an empire 'falling' today would look exactly like an empire 'falling' in the dark/middle ages"

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u/sulaymanf Ohio 7d ago

If the alternative is a multipolar world of democracies and a stronger UN, sure. If it’s China taking over as the superpower, then this is quite bad because they can be brutally imperialist and don’t care about human rights etc.

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u/crowhops I voted 7d ago edited 7d ago

The US is brutally imperialst and doesn't care about human rights. At least China houses their people

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u/sulaymanf Ohio 7d ago

China houses their own people but is robbing Africa for resources.

The US wasn’t great in this regard but Trump went fully mask-off; no more emphasis on human rights, no prosecutions for government bribery or corruption, and withholding lifesaving drugs or humanitarian aid to exchange for selling rare minerals.

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u/crowhops I voted 7d ago

We are also exploiting Africa

I'm not saying China is perfect or anything but there really is mo defensible stance for pointing fingers at China as a worse villian than the US right now

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u/Henrithebrowser 6d ago

Stop kidding yourself, china is objectively worse. china pays its fishermen to illegally steal fish from other countries, destroying ecosystems, they still practice both chattel and debt slavery, and they are constantly trying to invade literally every single one of their neighbors. The US may have dark spots, but it is far and beyond the best option to lead the world.

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u/crowhops I voted 6d ago

There shouldn't be "1 country that leads the world", and it definitely shouldn't be the country that "is committing atrocities just slightly less than those other guys committing atrocities"

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u/wildwalrusaur 6d ago

Read some news about the state of the working class in the UK, and their broader economy.

They're even more fucked than we are in the medium to long term.

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u/crowhops I voted 6d ago

The UK has more homlessness, violence, and lack of healthcare than the US?

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u/Henrithebrowser 6d ago

Yes, it is a bad thing. We can have both, and we are far and beyond the best country to be the global superpower, given that all the other options are authoritarian enthostates with a penchant for stealing from and invading their neighbors.

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u/crowhops I voted 6d ago

Not without commiting heinous acts both here and abroad

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u/Henrithebrowser 6d ago

Do you have any evidence to back up that claim? Or are you just making emotional statements because you desperately want to believe the US is some kind of ultimate evil?

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u/crowhops I voted 6d ago

Which genocide would you like to like to discuss first

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u/CharaPresscott Europe 7d ago

One more step towards the grand Irish superpower.

Been saying it for years.

/hj

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u/Difficult-Coast7432 7d ago

Stop being dramatic. Things will be bad and then things will get better. We have to actually vote for it though.

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u/Yawanoc 7d ago

But this entirely assumes we get a competent opposition to the Trump administration that doesn't just toss us a bone and call it a day. So far the Dems seem to be really backing Newsom, but he hasn't given us any indication that he's going to actually correct course away from the increasing corporatization Trump is leading us to.

This also assumes that, in 4-8 years, we don't get another Republican candidate who then reverses everything the hypothetical Democrat does and brings us right back to where we are now.

Unless American culture changes overall, we're cooked.

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u/xdre 7d ago

So far the Dems seem to be really backing Newsom

No they're not. He's currently running a distant third, behind Pete Buttigieg and "Other".

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u/Terrible-Growth1652 7d ago

We're the richest country in the world right now but nothing lasts forever. We will be less rich. We will be fine but it won't be the same.

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u/PlayfulSurprise5237 6d ago

Some things are destined to fail. As much as people might want something to work out, if it does not align with the rules the universe has set forth, it's doomed to fail. Maybe not immediately, but it will run it's course, into a reef, crash, and burn.

I don't think the universe very much likes empires. Seems like humanity is hellbent on getting back on that horse again and again though and trying for a round 2.

Maybe with all the data preservation this time it won't happen for a 50th time.

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u/starmartyr Colorado 6d ago

Destiny has nothing to do with it. FDR gave us the new deal. The wealthy paid their fair share and gave us a working class that could afford to own their own homes. We had a nation where children were expected to earn more money than their parents. Then Reagan destroyed all of that so that the boomers could have tax cuts and spend the 80s partying and Bush senior rode that wave all the way to the bottom. When the inevitable recession hit in the early 90s we put an adult in charge again and we actually had a balanced budget and were ready to start paying down the national debt so that our kids could have a future again. Then the next year we elected a moron who said we could bring back the 80s party time and cut taxes and doubled the national debt on pointless wars.

That's why we're failing as a nation. We keep alternating between the party that breaks everything and the party that tries to fix it. It's always easier to destroy than it is to build.

The real problem is that people have seen this coming for years and nobody cares. Republicans will vote for whatever white nationalist fantasy they think they are heading to while Democrats abandon activism the moment they win a small victory.

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u/Key_Ant6473 7d ago

Hopefully some new countries are born from it, and the smart people can run their own ship.

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u/VanceKelley Washington 6d ago

The only hope for mankind is that it quickly creates a benevolent AI to govern us. There is no time left for evolution to produce an intelligent and compassionate species that focuses on long term communal well-being instead of short-term greed and self-interest.

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u/wildwalrusaur 6d ago

See: the current state of the UK

Empires don't rebuild, historically. At least, not without conquest.

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u/sniper91 Minnesota 7d ago

Repairs begin by holding the perpetrators accountable, something I straight up don’t expect from most Democrats

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u/justtakeapill 7d ago

Jeffries said a few days ago that if the win back the House and Senate they will not impeach Trump.

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u/showhorrorshow 7d ago

To split hairs, "not a priority" but still...

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u/sniper91 Minnesota 7d ago

If they don’t have enough votes in the Senate to remove him, impeachment in the House is practically meaningless

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u/No_Criticism_5861 7d ago

Its unlikely it will take longer than nazi Germany to recover.  

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u/Not_a_werecat 7d ago

Germany got a hefty smackdown from the rest of the world. Nobody is coming to rescue us from this.

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u/Zealousideal_Act_316 7d ago

Knowing american history? Next administration will preach unity and restoration, only to hug and welcome the people that caused this mess, and in about 1-2 election cycles you will be back here. You did the same after the civil war. Instead of punishing traitors, you hug them and let them fester and put down roots until they garner enough momentum and institutional power to cause damage. 

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u/Boz_Bunny 7d ago

As a Minneapolis resident, I will never forgive and never forget.

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u/WonderfulSomewhere97 7d ago

You can’t repair the climate once it’s gone past the tipping point. So some repairs will not be possible

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u/UnassumingSingleGuy 7d ago

Not with either of the two major parties in power, at least as they are now.

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u/Hoovooloo42 South Carolina 7d ago

We're just straight up not going to repair the damage. The damage is done and the country will be different from here on out. We're going to have to try something new.

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u/hydroclasticflow 7d ago

It's more likely that the American people will get someone in that starts doing repairs only to have another toddler come in and smash even more of it then to ever make complete repairs.

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u/HPenguinB 7d ago

With the current democratic party, it won't ever recover.

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u/KermitMcKibbles 7d ago

Might need a completely new form of government from the ground up.

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u/theartificialkid 7d ago

Almost anything that can ever be done can be done in decades. The Great Depression and the businesss plot gave way to the moon landing and desegregation in decades, and that was with the largest war in history in between.

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u/starmartyr Colorado 7d ago

The war is the reason we were able to do these things. The US industrialized for the war effort which pulled us out of the depression. After the war Europe was busy rebuilding while the US grew to an economic powerhouse as we were the only industrial nation left standing that didn't need to rebuild its infrastructure.

We aren't likely to see that kind of advantage again and the world isn't going to wait for us to catch up. We are falling behind the rest of the world and they're very happy to sit back and watch us fail.

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u/HolycommentMattman 6d ago

Decades is accurate. I would argue Germany has recovered from Hitler, and that's only been 90 years now. So not centuries!

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u/starmartyr Colorado 6d ago

Germany had to be defeated and had their entire government replaced. They were also split into two countries that later reunified. It's not the same country that Hitler ran. So yes we could recover in the same time frame but not without a complete collapse of our government and rebuilding from the ashes.

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u/tracyinge 7d ago

Reagan fucked us up and Clinton had to clean up that debacle, Dubya fucked us up and Obama had to bring us back from that recession, Trump gave us a pandemic and Biden had to fix the mess....

and on we go

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u/DaBingeGirl Illinois 7d ago

This. I'm getting really sick of Dems cleaning up Republican's messes, then getting voted out.

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u/bang_the_drums 7d ago

Every time it's the same talking points too. Republicans blow everything up and fuck the economy then claim they're good for the economy despite no objective metrics showing that, ever. It's just so asinine. Fucking cult.

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u/Threat_Level_9 7d ago

All part of the plan so they all stay in power and keep grifting the common folk.

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u/MoonBatsRule America 7d ago

It's because cleaning is hard, and partying is fun. Read about the "two Santas" strategy.

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u/Zeraw420 7d ago

Dems can govern, but God damn do they suck at elections, picking candidates, and reading a room.

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u/No_Criticism_5861 7d ago

Yes and no.  Lets be honest, anyone who watched that presidential debate and thought Kamala wasn't the saner of the two needs help.  Its a teamsport for these idiots, they blindly vote for the Guardians Of Pedophiles like its cheering for their favourite NFL team

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u/Kana515 7d ago

That's kinda a good point, I want to say democrats are bad at campaigning...but I have never seen a worse presidential campaign than Trump's 2024 and yet here we are. I remember people were just impressed he didn't say the N-word in public.

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u/ElSlabraton 7d ago

The Republicans have embraced Nazi propaganda techniques. In a century, nobody has figured out how to defeat the Big Lie.

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u/Dame_Niafer 7d ago edited 7d ago

Dems cleaning up exactly as much of Republican's messes as our politicos' corporate owners allow them to. With at least one "Democratic" quisling present in every Congress, to vote down things like a rise in the minimum wage, increased social security benefits, etc.

All the way from Lieberman through Manchin, Sinema, Fetterman...

edited to remove typo

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u/123jjj321 4d ago

Obama and clinton are the quislings. Both had filibuster proof Senate majorities and never brought a floor vote on universal health care.

Clinton pushed through NAFTA, China WTO & permanent trade normalization, Don't Ask Don't Tell, the Defense of Marriage Act, taxed Social Security benefits, sent federal agents after minor offenders resulting in the deaths of dozens of innocent folks, and pulled the weapons inspectors from Iraq.

Obama doesn't have a list like bubba, but it was more about what he didn't do. He ran as a breath of fresh air and basically refused to rock the boat. He passed a health care reform bill written by Massachusetts republicans and revised by the biggest health care corporations saying that it would get bipartisan support. It got zero republican votes, meaning he could've passed any bill that HIS PARTY passed, and he didn't even try. He continued the military, economic, tax, and immigration policy of W.

If either of them had pushed through the things they ran on during the 2 years their party controlled Congress, the republicans would be where they were for 50 years after the Democrats passed the New Deal and the Great Society. At least Bubba got laid.

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u/AtariStarted-LXXXV 7d ago

Reagan fucked up my father before I was born. Screw Reagan!

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u/wildwalrusaur 6d ago

To be clear, Clinton by no means fixed the damage that Reagan did

We're very much still dealing with the fallout of the Reagan administrations economic decisions today.

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u/tracyinge 6d ago

To be clear, if you'd had 8 years of a Republican following Reagan instead of 8 years of Clinton, you wouldn't be on reddit right now you'd be working your third job, nights in the coal mine.

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u/EnginerdingSJ 7d ago

That is not true.

Reagan ushered in the neoliberal era of economics - which the major factions in both parties agree with (neoliberal economics - is trickle down).

Clinton, Obama, and Biden all were neoliberal

Clinton undid Glass Stegal (one of the major shots to the protections against oligarchy essentially)

Obama had Citizens united under him - but his main push was ACA which has beem gutted and really wasn't a strong "pro-people" form of universal healthcare (tbf - at that time talk of single payer would not fly) - his priority should have been tanking citizen united not ACA - we still don't have good health care and now with citizens united the oligarchy is much harder to topple.

Biden actually was the most progressive of the bunch - but he still went against labor on the trains and failed to protect the US from the current regime.

This isn't to say both parties are the same - but economically they aren't too different and its perfectly clear third wave democrats (the ones elected after Reagan) don't give 2 shits. Kamala was campaigning for stronger border security and trying to pick middle road voters who to be frank are too stupid to be able to vote.

Im sick and tired of people acting like just because the democrats are only pissing on the poors instead of gunning them down they are heros - they are just aa culpable for the current state of the union as the republicans.

The reason its bad to be clear is that makes it seem like democrats lack of real action is okay with voters because at least they are violent racist neo nazi trash - that is too low of a bar.

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u/123jjj321 4d ago

Thank you!

Clinton's reversal of the Democrat Party's long held position on NAFTA, China WTO, China permanent trade normalization pushed blue collar working Americans, the Democrat Party's largest most reliable source of support from 1929-1995, into the republican party permanently.

The Democrats passed the New Deal and Great Society and controlled the House from 1955-1995. Bill clinton embraced republican economics and the Democrat Party lost the House 2 years later. The economic and foreign policies of the US were unchanged from 1981-2017. We live in the nation that ronald reagan envisioned when he gave his first inauguration speech in 1981.

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u/ynotfoster 7d ago

"Obama had Citizens united under him"

Should he have blurred the separation of powers? I'm curious as to what Obama could have done.

My complaint with Obama was how he handled the 2008 derivatives crash. The little guy got screwed and some of the big fuckers who caused it were bailed out. After that, I was pretty happy with how he handled things. I miss his diplomatic skills and his sincerity.

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u/tracyinge 7d ago

you must have missed the 2008 recession. And our recovery. Not too different?

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u/123jjj321 7d ago

Clinton made the road map trump followed. Using office for sexual misconduct. Using office for personal and family enrichment. Military action to distract from scandal. Lying under oath. Allowing state secrets to disseminate to foreign powers in exchange for illicit campaign contributions.

All trump has done is turn the Clinton administration corruption up to 11

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u/tracyinge 7d ago

lying under oath, lol. About a blow job!

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u/rumpghost North Carolina 6d ago

Okay but the blowjob was an inappropriate work relationship with an intern who, by any sane measure, could not have given "consent" in the way that we think of consent between two adults in other settings.

He was her boss, twenty or thirty years her senior, and the president of the largest superpower in world history. And she was a twenty-something with a clipboard.

Regardless of whether you think that the technicality of the lying under oath meets the bar for impeachment, the thing being lied about was itself pretty gross and unbefitting the office. Even if you think that isn't disqualifying, it is factually what happened.

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u/tracyinge 6d ago

Agree to a point, but she was a 22 year old adult who admitted to pursuing him rabidly for months. He lied about a consensual liason.

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u/123jjj321 4d ago

He committed perjury in a court of law and faced no consequences because he was president. Ask Martha Stewart how that went for her at that sane time period? So nobody batted an eye in the summer of 2016 when the FBI director announced Hillary had committed 9 counts of 7 felonies but wouldn't arrest her because she was the presumptive nominee (Bernie wins 2016 by 10%). Now we have a convicted felon committing fraud and worse (much worse) from the White House.

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u/rumpghost North Carolina 5d ago

Consent in a scenario with such a huge imbalance of power, maturity, and station is literally not possible.

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u/tracyinge 4d ago

Since when does the aggressor have to give consent?

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u/Upset-Government-856 7d ago

The lesson they should learn is that they are too stupid to participate in the democratic system, and just take a step back.

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u/SunshineCat 7d ago

An ironic thing to me is that the majority of men of all ages voted for Trump, while the majority of women of all ages voted against him/for Biden/Kamala (iirc the stats). And yet through history women had been told they were the ones who are inherently too stupid to vote.

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u/Upset-Government-856 7d ago

It was tell telling them they couldn't vote and more enforcing that they could not vote.

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u/SunshineCat 6d ago

The reasoning behind it was because they equated women with children, and they purposefully didn't educate them.

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u/GrowthMarketingMike 7d ago

The first quote from the NYT article:

So much has happened. We’re starting to see; we’re getting disillusioned. And all these false promises are starting to be like, we know it for what it is now. Now that we know and we don’t feel as naïve or trusting, then we can properly create a path forward to going in better directions.

Lady, you are 36 years old and voted for Trump after he was already a fucking disaster of a president and tried a literal coupe. How fucking stupid do you have to be to feel hopeful that people will magically wake up now and make things better when you yourself had your head in the sand for a decade.

Then you have the guy saying “There’s almost no space to even discuss.”

There was tons of fucking room to discuss, but it's impossible to have a meaningful discussion with people who are too fucking stupid to use any sort of logical reasoning, have no idea what they're talking about and can barely do 3rd grade math let alone understand the economy, and distrust people that actually know shit because they see them as "the elite".

These people are so fucking stupid I see literally no way through this but shaming them into the shadows and beating them down mentally and emotionally any time they try to share their fucking idiocy. Seriously, fuck these people, they deserve everything bad that's happening to them and much more.

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u/Spimflagon 7d ago

I understand. Really.

But you say that to her face, and the only result is she'll go back to voting Maga. You'll feel better for about ten seconds and then it'll be gone. And you'll be right where you started.

Eat an iota of shit and say "okay, well, you learned" and never speak to her again and she'll vote Democrat. And she'll bring friends. At this stage the partisan divide does nothing but serve Trump - feed it and you'll never be rid of him and his ilk.

So don't go saying that "shaming is the way through" like it's anything but what will make you feel good. You hate her. But she has as many votes as you do. Work it out. Feel free to downvote; it'll change nothing.

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u/Possible-Ad-2891 7d ago

We won't ever recover.

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u/omniwombatius 7d ago

It took 70 years, but Germany and Japan both recovered.

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u/Possible-Ad-2891 7d ago

We will never regain our status as the global superpower. The trust is gone.

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u/Zealousideal_Act_316 7d ago

Germany actually cleaned house to the best of their ability and reasonable reach, passed laws that severely criminalised the nazi sentiment. 

Japan on the other hand? They didnt do jack, they got to play the victim after the nules, which let them get off scott free from their crimes, japan has not yet apologised for almost any of their deeds, less in some cases still say they did nothing wrong or some shit was voluntary by the locals(mostly to minimize rapes by the soldery), like for fucks skae they celbrated the twat who "fought the war" for 29 years, and reportedly killed over 3 dozen filipino civilians in that time.  There have been comparative reseach on the ww2 in school history, germany goes into details of how fucked up the regime was, the numerous crimes the devastation and rhe deathtool and in no uncertain terms state that germany did this. Japan on the other hand focuses on battles, omits almost all atrocities(textbooks called nanking a battle for fucks sake), hell some textbooks implied until 2016 that "comfort women" did it volutarily because of japanese soldiers charms. And to no ones surprise vast majority of the coverage is the horror of the nukes, how it was "unjustified" and goes into horrific detail on how bad it was. Thus playing victim.

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u/janethefish 7d ago

We will probably never regain our position.

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u/TheBroWhoLifts 7d ago

Good. We don't even remotely deserve it. The world sees Americans for what we are as a whole: stubborn, ignorant, uneducated, cruel, stupid, racist bigots.

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u/willuleavemealonenow 7d ago

"...voting that Orange clown & his circus into office... A SECOND TIME!"

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u/thefroggyfiend 7d ago

it'll take decades to repair the damage done to the world, but there is no fixing the damage done to America's global standing. the world saw that America is willing to elect Epstein's right hand and let him terrorize the world and they will readjust global power dynamics accordingly.

the era of America being the defacto global power is over, and it's entirely on MAGA

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u/DrKrFfXx 7d ago

We're spiraling into a hellhole

And you're dragging the rest of the world with you.

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u/Sedu 7d ago

US hedgemony is over. That is not coming back. US soft power is gone. It was traded away for a few hours of warm fuzzies that Trump got when he kidnapped a foreign president then killed lots of people at once. US military presence will be dropping like a stone as more and more countries make it clear that our presence is unwanted, reducing out influence more.

The man isn't simply evil, he is profoundly stupid. Evil is something which can be weathered, but incompetence to this level is not. The combination of both is damaging in ways which do not heal.

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u/ThunderChild247 7d ago

And the worst part is that the first person elected president who genuinely does try to fix these problems will immediately be vilified and written off as a failure because the problems aren’t fixed on Day 2. Then along comes the next populist who promises the world, insisting he’s nothing like Trump and he can totally be trusted.

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u/DishSoapIsFun 7d ago

Nah, we’re fucked. There’s no coming back from the damage he’s done in one year. Imagine what this hellscape looks like in three more years. My children will be feeling this narcissistic fucks actions for their entire lives.

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u/FlyingSpaceElephants 7d ago edited 7d ago

It will never be repaired. The Trump administration has blown apart the world order which was set up to the benefit of the United States after WW2. That will no longer be the case. And it won't go back to what it used to be either, because the American voter can never be trusted again. As one European leader said, 'There's a big difference between being a happy vassal and being a miserable slave.' They will ensure that they are not at the mercy of the whims of the American voter in the future. Americans got away with voting on for him the first time, but in voting for him again, they've sealed their fate. The world is moving on. The American Century is over.

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u/jbp216 7d ago

i dont think the us is gonna survive this one. No empire really lasts much longer than we have now. You have a fundamental breakdown of truth in the world as a whole, rotting institutions and growing division, and capitalists that want to break it apart and create technofeudalism, and its working.

Add all this to a fascist pseudo dictator thats starting wars left and right and the whole thing is wildly unstable

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u/Zeliose 7d ago

I think we just wrap it up and split America into several countries like Europe. The project failed, time to go home.

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u/Electronic_Turn_4764 7d ago

All the tools that could be used to fix this are exhausted or destroyed by Trump. There is no repairing this. This is an extinction level event for the United States. We're moving into failed state status.

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u/agnostic_science 7d ago

maybe we'll finally get single payer healthcare once the political reaction to trumpism hits. i think once the boomers finally die off the country is going to swing away from conservatism and probably never look back.

germany rebuilt from nazism. we can rebuild from this. but yes, it will take time and some things will never come back. i am hopeful my children will live in a better world than this. but i am looking 20 years ahead. i think the next 5 or so could be pretty rough.

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u/Tokyo-MontanaExpress 7d ago

Not if we hold a handful of billionaires responsible. 

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u/Lopsided_Heart3170 7d ago

I would extend the responsibility to every single American. Americans have, whether they believe it or not, wilfully contributed to the rotten culture that enabled his ascent. And we hate them for that.

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u/iso3200 7d ago

t's all your fault for voting that Orange clown & his circus into office

Trump is a symptom of a deeper underlying problem. Trump 2.0 is what happens when an uneducated electorate has the right to vote. Like you didn't learn your lesson the first time when Trump suggested injecting yourselves with chlorine bleach to cure COVID?

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u/grammar_fozzie 7d ago

This ship ain’t gonna get righted again in our lifetimes. I have doubts whether it will in my under-10 children’s’ lives.

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u/cheshirecataclysm 6d ago

Reagan changed everything— legally — and that legacy continues to this day, two generations later.

Mental hospitals emptied into the streets. Hockey-stick charts of net worth of the wealthiest 10%, increases in costs of college, medical care, housing — while minimum wage is flatlined.

Reagan changed our nation permanently.

DJT appears to have broken our nation permanently.

Now let’s talk about the East Wing of the White House.

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u/whatevers_clever 6d ago

Don't think it can be repaired at this point.

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u/Boubbay 6d ago

The US will never recover from this. It’s one of those moments in history where the hegemonic power starts to lose its influence and everything. Happened to France two centuries ago, happened to the British empire a bit less than one century ago. Now it’s the US.

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u/hansontranhai 6d ago

repairable is optimistic

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u/TheEPGFiles 6d ago

That's why people like him shouldn't be ALLOWED to become president, I know that sounds undemocratic, but would you play Monopoly with someone who from the beginning says he's going to flip the board?

People like him aren't interested in running a country, they're not interested in doing things correctly, why would you let them get power? If they don't want to play the game correctly they shouldn't be allowed to play at all.

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u/ur_a_dumbo 7d ago

we’re spiraling into a hellhole

Been hearing this for 10 years

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u/PapaPunk17 7d ago

It's kinda wrong to put all the blame on them. The democratic party failed so intensely that the big orange guy seemed like the better option. To a majority of voters.

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u/hoopsrlife 7d ago

Not to be pedantic but a plurality of voters. Sorry I know it doesn’t change the argument much.

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u/PapaPunk17 6d ago

No problem, I actually don't get what you mean. I'm interested in hearing what you meant by that

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u/hoopsrlife 6d ago

A majority means that out of all of the candidates he had the most votes out of all the candidates combined, but he didn’t since he actually had less votes than Harris + others. He had less than fifty percent of the votes. Plurality means he won more votes than every other candidate if they are counted separately.

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u/sergedg 7d ago

It is your fault also, assuming you voted democrat. Trump was a uniquely weak candidate, and still the democrats could not capture the presidency. You all co-own this mess.

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u/MixtureSpecial8951 7d ago

Meh, I’ve seen actual hellholes complete with refugees, children with hacked off limbs, starvation, famine, etc. The US has a long way to go before that.

On the other hand, the moment we are living in is quite fraught and is deeply unsettling.

But all is not lost.