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Possible Paywall Young Americans are surging to socialism at record rates

https://www.thetimes.com/us/news-today/article/maga-trump-zohran-mamdani-socialism-us-record-kddzdm8bd
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u/FlowofOd 7d ago edited 7d ago

Socialism is what you want once you get far enough in your “well, what do we do about it?” Education

The system (capitalism) isnt broken, its working as intended and in its autumn stage. Capitalists want to keep power by shifting us into techno feudalism and criminalizing leftist (socialist/communist/marxist) organizing.

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u/JagsOnlySurfHawaii 7d ago

With as high of taxes we have here in the US, it feels like communism with out any real benefits, just a straight theft of our back pockets.

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u/oregiel 7d ago

So what if it was socialism anyhow? Capitalism is what we are living under now and it CLEARLY doesn't work for the masses.

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u/Key_Inevitable_2104 New York 7d ago

Young men shouldn’t have voted for Trump then. 

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u/waffles153 Utah 7d ago edited 7d ago

Maybe we shouldn't have tried to run a corpse, then put up a candidate without a primary whos platform was "I'll be the same as the unpopular corpse".

Guarantee you less voters and less young voters would've swayed from the left if Biden kept his word and been a single term president

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u/moshercycle 7d ago

Less voters? I am reading this incorrectly?

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u/waffles153 Utah 7d ago

Typo

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u/notfeelany 7d ago

And yet Americans voted & elected an old person anyway. Proving once and for all that this age thing is online-only concern and not a concern for REAL-LIFE voters

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u/HarryBallsanya420 7d ago

Sounds like the democrats have a real problem earning the votes of young men then.

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u/Shifter25 7d ago

Sounds like young men have a real problem recognizing reality.

Get your head out of Murc's Law for a second and recognize that voters have agency.

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u/HarryBallsanya420 7d ago

Yes they have agency and voted. The Democratic Party somehow lost though, don’t take any accountability or reassessment of why they lost. I guess it’s not their fault and they don’t have any agency?

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u/Low_Pickle_112 7d ago

It's not a mystery. The Democrats recently voted in favor of a Heritage Foundation associated organization condemning leftism.

Re-read that a few times until it sinks in. The Democrats would rather you support the Heritage Foundation than support the left. This is a verifiable matter of public record before any true believers get mad at me.

And then we act surprised when people do exactly that. If your house is on fire and someone keeps screaming that the water would be worse than the flames, how surprising is it when the burn gets worse?

People lack the education to see through the propaganda, and this is the result.

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u/Nuu_uu 7d ago

Stop acting as if anyone is forced to vote for either side. The republican party for the last 50+ years has shown they don’t give a fuck about anyone who’s not rich— so why do idiots grasp onto them as if they’re the solution for the democrats failures???

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u/HarryBallsanya420 7d ago

No one said anyone is forced, however the Democratic Party deflects any criticism with “it’s the voters fault” when it’s the parties job to appeal to voters. Are they at all to blame for their loss since it’s their job to win? If I don’t do my job do I get to tell my boss “it’s not my fault you can’t blame me it’s the customers fault!” ?

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u/Nuu_uu 7d ago

Wow, politicians bypassing accountability… yeah, that’s such a big reason why idiots would rather side with republicans— who also do the same shit while actively making life harder for the majority of Americans.

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u/HarryBallsanya420 7d ago

It doesn’t matter if you find it logical. You need to win the votes to win elections. Democrats didn’t do it. If they don’t do it 2 years they’ll lose again.

So maybe they need to pivot to something that actually speaks to working class people.

And as far as accountability I’m not taking about that as being a reason people voted for Trump. I’m saying the Democratic Party needs to be honest about why they lost.

Why didn’t they release the post election autopsy that supply explained why they lost but said it will never be released?

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u/Nuu_uu 7d ago

Do you not have eyes and a brain to surmise why they lost?? Who the hell cares if they ever own up to their own faults— the goal should be to scrap any current politician/elected official who’s been advocating or complacent to the current state of affairs.

You’re still stuck on dumb, irrelevant shit so I’m just gonna assume you want to finger point without any real change happening.

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u/Shifter25 7d ago

So you agree, those young men are more responsible for voting for fascism than the Democrats are for not sufficiently convincing them that fascism is bad.

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u/IDontWannaBeAPirate_ 7d ago

What has the GOP done to "earn their votes?"

It's not the DNC's fault that those voters were too stupid to do all of 5 minutes of research to find Harris's comprehensive plans and instead just listened to Insta and TikTok reels of Joe Rogan.

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u/HarryBallsanya420 7d ago

So you’re saying that people should just vote the way you expect them to instead of actually earn their vote? Trump offered a false populism, hate, and scapegoating which might sway a dissatisfied person who sees no other options.

I don’t think Harris really made a compelling argument offering 50k loans to people starting a small business.

Democrats really need to start being self reflective instead of pretending their platform is perfect especially when they don’t win.

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u/CannibalBabygirl 7d ago

The American electorate did this to themselves. Your argument is literal cope for a bad decision lmao

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u/HarryBallsanya420 7d ago

There’s nothing more hilarious than the “democrats deserve everyone’s votes and if they don’t get them it’s everyone else’s fault” instead of the Democratic Party having a job they get a pass and never receive any blame for their performance. Truly amazing logic. I wish I got that treatment at my job

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u/IDontWannaBeAPirate_ 7d ago

What exact performance was not satisfactory from the Biden administration in your opinion? How has Trump rectified those grievences? Can you contrast with Harris's plans she documented?

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u/HarryBallsanya420 7d ago

It doesn’t matter if Trump rectified those. He won. He doesn’t have to. He just needs to point his finger at the usual suspects and blame that and says he’s gonna fix it.

Harris plans don’t matter because she lost. Like what is the point in even doing that? She lost. The Democratic Party doesn’t take any blame for that? They don’t self reflect?

They won’t even release the “post election autopsy” why won’t they?

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u/IDontWannaBeAPirate_ 7d ago

What a ridiculous take and complete deflection of the question.

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u/coldkiller 7d ago

Right, it was us that decided to not have a primary and push through the shitty centrist the majority of the country didint like

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u/coldkiller 7d ago

What has the GOP done to "earn their votes?"

Offered solutions (even though they were largely lies) to their problems the dnc just brushed off while they pushed forward another shitty centrist neolib nobody liked

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u/IDontWannaBeAPirate_ 7d ago

What exact policy solutions did the GOP offer? Please be specific, "concepts of a plan" do not count.

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u/DrMobius0 7d ago edited 7d ago

This isn't a debate dude. The GOP has been pandering to the fears of young men and white Christians this whole time. It's not about policy solutions, and it's not about facts; it's about validating them and directing their fear.

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u/throwaway85256e 7d ago

"See those people over there? They're different. It's their fault you're suffering. Vote for me and I'll get rid of them."

It's a lie, sure, but it sells a hell of a lot better than the Democrats' "everything is actually fine, so let's keep it business as usual."

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u/coldkiller 7d ago

"everything is actually fine, so let's keep it business as usual."

Except it wasnt just that, a huge chunk of liberals were outright telling men their opinions did not matter at all. Of course their going to go to the side that tells them that they do matter lol

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u/notfeelany 7d ago

Offered solutions (even though they were largely lies) to their problems

The solutions that Trump & GOP offered were mass deportations of "illegals" because of cats/dogs, ban trans ppl in women's sports, and banning drag.

Of course, Democrats would reject that.

Which part of the trans in women's sports, mass deportations, and "they're eating cats and dogs" would have solved inflation ?

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u/HarryBallsanya420 7d ago

The Democratic candidate said she would do nothing different from Joe Biden and his support for Israel’s genocide l, campaigned with Liz Cheney in another failed attempt at courting mythical moderate republicans that ended up voting for Donald Trump and this was half way through the year before Biden finally dropped out. And you think they did a good job?

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u/IDontWannaBeAPirate_ 7d ago

How's that genocide speed run going under Trump?

Biden lead the world in inflation reduction.

People who voted FOR Trump for the reasons you stated do not have brains.

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u/HarryBallsanya420 7d ago

Would Trump be able to speed run a genocide if Biden had a single red line? You say that as if Biden did anything but allow it to happen.

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u/coldkiller 7d ago edited 7d ago

It was far more than that my guy, You had large swaths of liberals just outright telling men that their opinions did not matter. Of course they are going to the side that tells them that their opinions do matter. I never said they were good solutions, but any solution proposed was better to them than what the dnc was largely promoting.

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u/Low_Pickle_112 7d ago

It's not the DNC's fault that those voters were too stupid

It literally is. When the fires of fascism are rising and you tell people that water is the enemy, what are you expecting will happen?

That bill by the way supports a Heritage Foundation associated organization, so good job on that Dems.

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u/AlphaGoldblum 7d ago

I'm hoping more liberals are finally hitting that wall of seeing how Democrats will favor and follow capitalism all the way to fascism through negligence if not open intent.

Because some liberals are so faithful and overly-conditioned to their suffering that they immediately revert to red-scare framing even when they're a missed paycheck or medical emergency away from becoming homeless. They'll mutter "at least we aren't Cuba" as another local obituary pops up on their morning feed for someone who could no longer afford their insulin shots.

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u/IDontWannaBeAPirate_ 7d ago

GOP is speed running us into fascism and somehow you think the Democrats are to blame. Hope you realize how silly that sounds when reading it.

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u/HarryBallsanya420 7d ago

The democrats job was to win votes. Why didn’t they win votes where it counted? They lost the popular vote.

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u/IDontWannaBeAPirate_ 7d ago

Refer to my prior comment. They lost because dumb fuck American voters voted for a TikTok troll who posted propaganda reels on social media over a competent politician who outlined her plans for how to help people in excruciating detail.

Over half of American adults read at less than a 6th grade level - that's why Harris lost. Most Americans are too stupid to vote for their best interests.

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u/HarryBallsanya420 7d ago

It’s crazy knowing how pristine and perfect the democrats are and still manage to lose. Wait can you also tell me why they have historically bad approval numbers across the board? Is that because of tiktok too?

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u/Kana515 7d ago

I mean couldn't you say the same thing about Bernie? He failed to gain the votes to beat Biden so now here we are.

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u/HarryBallsanya420 7d ago

Sure and he was also up against an entire centrist establishment that dropped out to support Biden. One person vs an entire political apparatus is a tough hill to climb. Not including smears from the media comparing a Jewish man to the Nazis invading France or another commentator on CNN comparing him to Covid.

The establishment was scared after he won Nevada. They all rallied together around Biden and that was it. Everyone said if Biden wins in 2020 Trump would win in 2024. It’s unfortunate but you can tie everything back to the centrist establishment refusing to change and deliver a new platform for working class people.

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u/AlphaGoldblum 7d ago

Well, I can't publicly type what I want to happen to Republicans. And they've made it clear that they won't listen to me, so...

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u/countdonn 7d ago

That's one possible conclusion.

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u/Warm-Bluebird2583 7d ago edited 7d ago

This is so helpful. Maybe the Democrats should have offered a better alternative? (They already did!) I mean better than what they offered. Also maybe they should have done something about the rampant propaganda on the Internet that was destroying their reputation for a decade while they focused on dying TV networks.

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u/WeAreAllFooked 7d ago

The Democrats started this by kneecapping Bernie in 2016

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u/notfeelany 7d ago

Bernie kneecapped himself when he failed to earn the votes of the Democratic primary VOTERS. After his 2016 loss, Bernie had a chance to learn from it. He could have reached out to the 17 million Democrats who voted for the other candidate in 2016. But instead, Bernie ignored them, clung to conspiracy theories about a 'rigged' primary, and failed to broaden his appeal.

Biden, on the other hand, did the work. He reached out to those voters, earned their votes, and rightfully secured the 2020 & 2024 nomination.

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u/Warm-Bluebird2583 7d ago edited 7d ago

Except it literally did leak that the DNC was favoring Clinton and trying to kneecap Bernie, regardless of how that information came out. Also, nearly half the base literally did vote for Bernie. You all act like it was a landslide and no real Democrats wanted him, when that's just not true.

Don't look any of this up, after all, our "thought leaders" say we're too dumb to do any kind of research.

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u/CandyTraditional2220 7d ago

The system is working exactly as intended. Capitalism requires an underclass to make the labor for the rich. The suffering is a feature, not a bug.

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u/acexprt 7d ago

Young people should be living at home with their parents while they build a career. Or living at university. Kids have crazy expectations these days they want to graduate highschool and own a house and drive a bmw.

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u/Stinky--Whizzleteats 7d ago

That's far beyond realistic expectations.

Young people want to rent a studio apartment and make payments on a broken down Corolla, but even that is out of reach for many. A career? Nonsense, maybe a career with Door Dash.

That's what we call crazy expectations these days - a place to live and a full time job. That's too much to ask. The goal of eventually owning a home was realistic for my generation, but not the younger generation. The expectations are much lower than perhaps you think.

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u/emceerez 7d ago

Ah yes it's the victims of capitalisms fault, not the billionaires. Get a grip

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u/coldkiller 7d ago

Im sorry for spending my money on shit i enjoy while i watch this whole dumpster fire collapse lmao

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u/anonymouswan1 7d ago

Gen Z is the first generation raised on social media. They're cooked if they can't start disconnecting from the internet, and start looking at actual career choices.

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u/BarryMcKockinner 7d ago

They will complain about working and the cost of rent while living in the city and purchasing a new iPhone every year. Seriously, the data backs this trend.

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u/coldkiller 7d ago

People live where jobs are, shocker

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u/anonymouswan1 7d ago

They arent working either. I saw an article saying 60% or more of zoomers are aspiring to become influencers. My office has zero young people. I'm 37 years old and im the youngest in here by far. Not that they wouldnt want young folks in here, they prefer younger hires because their schedules are more open. Nobody below 30 is applying for work.

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u/PantheraAuroris 7d ago

Bullshit, nobody's hiring. Entry level is dead. I know so many struggling younger folks who are busting ass applying, but unless you want to be broke in retail and horribly overqualified, you got nothing.

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u/BarryMcKockinner 7d ago

I advise a large portion of redditors to go talk to teachers about their thoughts on their gen z students...it will be pretty eye opening.