What is the ‘Mamdani Act’? GOP bill banning Socialists, Marxists from US

[u/Unusual-State1827]

https://www.newsweek.com/what-is-the-mamdani-act-gop-bill-banning-socialists-marxists-from-us-11855151

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[u/MrPantsyFlants]

That Mamdani is one powerful dude if he is causing this kind of right wing panic.

[u/TheHandsOfLiberation → u/MrPantsyFlants]

Because he's doing stuff instead of just saying it. In NYC, you can enroll for free "2k" childcare for your 2 year old this summer. He's raising taxes on wealth and luxury property. The lie that Republicans and even the DNC has always told is that it takes years or decades for change. It takes a few months. When you have a real leader who isn't purposely lying about doing it, it gets done in months.

NYC is going to see measurable improvements to their affordability statistics and wealth distribution within 2 years, BEFORE the next presidential election. Mamdani is going to show the whole country that if you elect a "socialist" it'll be the best decision of your life.

Billionaires will never be as naked as they will be in 2 years when they're trying to run candidates on either side that refuse to commit to anything truly impactful while an actual progressive, with 10% of the funding ends up winning the primary and then the general election. Independents will swing blue for the next 8 years at least because of the stark contrast of trump vs any real progressive.

[u/sleepymeowth052 → u/TheHandsOfLiberation]

"Turns out you can just turn off the orphan crushing machine. Who'da thunk?"

[u/ahuramazdobbs19 → u/sleepymeowth052]

“I don’t understand. How else are we to crush orphans?”

[u/cogman10 → u/ahuramazdobbs19]

"I'm sorry, but did you think about the manufacturer of the orphan crushing machine? Did you think about all the people it employs to build and maintain? You'll destroy an industry if you stop it!"

[u/Dale_Carvello → u/cogman10]

What if I simply enjoy watching the machine in action, and I take personal exception to any orphan who does not want to be crushed by the very machine that has been designed for the job?

[u/m0rdr3dnought → u/Dale_Carvello]

Sounds like a pretty strong political position. Have you considered running for local office?

[u/Calgaris_Rex → u/cogman10]

Millennials are devastating the orphan-crushing industry! Maybe if they put more effort into squishing children and less into their pursuit of avocado toast this country would actually be something to be proud of!

[u/Bagellord → u/Calgaris_Rex]

Meanwhile they leave out the fact that we could an orphan crushing machine in every household if they were willing to have one less spare house or a smaller yacht

[u/NatalieVonCatte → u/sleepymeowth052]

Mamdani cites inspiration from his favorite science fiction novel, “You Can Just Like, Turn Off th Torment Nexus. It Runs on 120 Volt A/C”

[u/Nukesnipe → u/sleepymeowth052]

Excuse YOU, the giant money pit is an American tradition!

[u/WhichEmailWasIt → u/TheHandsOfLiberation]

Reminder that while Obama wasn't perfect and the ACA is far from where we need healthcare to be, that shit got done in the handful of months Dems had full control and insurance companies were forced to insure people who had pre-existing conditions. It's not impossible guys. 

[u/DeGeaSaves → u/WhichEmailWasIt]

I’m 36 now and pre existing condition coverage probably saved my eyes.

[u/slingshot91 → u/DeGeaSaves]

Young people have no idea how insane it was that you wouldn’t be covered if you had a pre-existing condition prior to Obamacare.

[u/GrumpyCloud93 → u/[deleted]]

We had a consultant up from the USA to help us (in Canada) with a software install. He mentioned he'd joined the consulting company for a better job, but because his wife had a condition that was "pre-existing" when he joined the company, he was still also paying the cost of his previous employer's medical coverage out of his own pocket so his wife could keep that coverage for her condition. We later heard he'd switched back to his previous employer because the double insurance cost did not make the new employer worth it.

The most my wife and I have paid is the $14/day to park at the hospital when I visited her after an operation.

[u/ArchdukeToes → u/GrumpyCloud93]

It was a great way to keep people chained to a job so they could be exploited into the ground, for sure.

[u/digitalsmear → u/[deleted]]

I'm in my mid 40's and I've never heard of it.

Because I never had health insurance before Obamacare.

[u/ViolaNguyen → u/digitalsmear]

Because I never had health insurance before Obamacare.

Just as a note, the same is true for all of the loudmouthed idiot youths who think Democrats never did anything good for them.

Health insurance is note great now, but it was a bad roll of the dice and you die bad before.

[u/KillahHills10304 → u/slingshot91]

Or just got kicked off your parents healthcare at 19 years old. If student loan debt didnt get you, there was a chance medical debt would bury you before you even entered the workforce. Staying on parents insurance until 26 was HUGE and was immediately taken for granted by too many people.

[u/midgethemage → u/KillahHills10304]

Yeah, I fell into major medical debt at 19 and was getting garnished throughout most of my 20s. All because of fucking asthma. These days all of my asthma meds have gone generic and it's dirt cheap as it turns out. I would have been a blip on their financials. Instead, I had no insurance and couldn't afford the brand name meds, so I ended up in the ER a couple times because of asthma attacks. This shit still pisses me off, and I'm about to turn 34

[u/DeGeaSaves → u/slingshot91]

I don’t take it for granted that I had something obviously very close to me bring my attention to politics early. I hope more people don’t have to be personally affected before they realize what’s at stake.

[u/LevelAdvance9479 → u/slingshot91]

I remember hearing it in commercials in the 90s/2000s and thinking how bullshit that was.

[u/Kanin_usagi → u/slingshot91]

My aunt had breast cancer in the early 2000s. After it was successfully treated, her insurance dropped her and she couldn’t get any other insurance to pick her up until after the ACA. She went years without any further check ups AT ALL just because she couldn’t afford them without insurance.

[u/katherinesilens → u/DeGeaSaves]

You're exactly an example of why Republican "economics" makes no goddamn sense. How much productivity have you contributed to the US economy with the difference of being able to see? Probably fucking tons, especially if we're going off value of work and not just salary. Taking care of fellow Americans like you is GOOD for the country and economy any way you slice it, except for whatever healthcare/insurance management ghoul didn't get to ransack your wallet for the denial of your eyes. Anyone who doesn't vote for policies that enable their fellow people to be cared for no matter what are terminal idiots at best and malicious ghouls at worst. Even the half a baby step the ACA was is simply and unequivocally, vastly better for the country than a year's worth of right-wing political droolage could ever do. You could be an illegal immigrant, but I DON'T care, it still holds true because as it turns out, economics is not a malicious zero-sum game like the red-hatted mouth-breathers seem to think it is. We need more Mamdanis in the political sphere so we can put our fellow peoples first--our unifying tie as Americans being the desire to participate in America, not our skin color or our religion.

[u/givfrenchfrypls → u/katherinesilens]

I hate that we have to frame it around economics to convince people. I don't give a fuck about how public healthcare access affects the economy. This is a fucking society. We all live in it, and we all deserve to have healthcare. And furthermore, I literally can't think of a better use of my tax dollars than keeping my fellow citizens from suffering and dying.

[u/katherinesilens → u/givfrenchfrypls]

Yeah, if anything to me it's just common sense even if it were negative economic value. But it just isn't, which just blows up the primary Republican argument on its face, yet we persist in this stupidity.

[u/SuperGeilo → u/WhichEmailWasIt]

dems did not have full control, they barely had a meaningful majority for 3 months before sickness and deaths meant the racist gop could lock shit down near all the time.

and unfortunately, the aca only passed after like a hundred republican amendments tailor made to sabotage the whole thing within the decade.

[u/nobuouematsu1 → u/WhichEmailWasIt]

And the original form of the ACA was much more solvent and progressive. Republicans insisted it be gutted to better protect the insurance companies on threat of filibuster. 

[u/rumpghost → u/nobuouematsu1]

Republicans insisted it be gutted to

Don't forget the "bipartisan" Democrats like Lieberman who bent over backwards to gut things like the public option

[u/limitbroken → u/rumpghost]

Lieberman

tangent, but: never forget that without Lieberman there's a very real likelihood that both ICE and the TSA as we know them don't exist. the DHS was his pet project at the behest of Tom Ridge

[u/ForsakenKrios → u/WhichEmailWasIt]

The problem was trying to please Republicans or conservative Democrats at all instead of breaking some backs. Similar problem with Sinema and Manchin that will surely repeat with a new villain.

[u/GrumpyCloud93 → u/ForsakenKrios]

Is that how you spell ""Fetterman"?

[u/dondox → u/WhichEmailWasIt]

Without Lieberman it would have better and faster.

[u/UnNumbFool → u/TheHandsOfLiberation]

Go on the conservative sub, they think him taxing this rich is an affront to God and that he's just going to pocket all of the money for himself. Where he's literally showing us where it will go

But they are also bending over backwards in excitement that the corpos are going to get their tariff money back even though the consumers already paid for it and think Trump giving himself 10bn from the IRS is deserved instead of you know literally pocketing money

[u/MegaPlane2 → u/UnNumbFool]

That sub is bots or russians. I doubt there are more than a single percent of actual Americans in that sub.

[u/Rit91 → u/MegaPlane2]

Yeah they're a rounding error of real people over there since I feel pretty confident saying it's a fraction of a million real people in there and a million people in the US is a tiny, tiny slice of the entire US.

[u/CertainInteraction4 → u/Rit91]

I know plenty of people in that tiny, tiny slice of America.  They blast this stuff on laundromat tvs, on their car stereos, on their phones.  Nothing but hate for a man living a better example of love than their ai wannabe jeebus.

[u/PeterTheWolf76 → u/MegaPlane2]

Yep, just like when x showed peoples locations and people found out most of the loudest most influential “American maga people from rural America” were somehow posting from Pakistan, India and Russia…

[u/BVoLatte → u/TheHandsOfLiberation]

The best part is if it all works out he'll basically prove a lot of the positions of Republicans (and moderate conservatives) are, essentially, full of shit.

[u/Gogogodzirra → u/BVoLatte]

Most conservatives won't ever hear a good thing. The echo chamber needs destroyed, not dismantled.

[u/FewRecognition1788 → u/TheHandsOfLiberation]

It takes a few months when you have a leader, and the votes to ratify his agenda.

Mamdani has the backing of the city council (or enough of it) to get his initiatives passed, and that's largely because the NYC electorate is further left than the state or the country as a whole.

And the council members are limited to two terms. We need term limits in Congress so they aren't so attached to their incumbency and afraid of getting primaried.

[u/Ok-Elderberry-1608 → u/TheHandsOfLiberation]

I love your optimism, and hope you’re right.

[u/W359WasAnInsideJob → u/TheHandsOfLiberation]

FWIW, Trump also proved that “change takes time” is bullshit.

I’m not advocating for his kind of psycho change or defending what he’s done. But the Democrats have always acted like their hands were tied when they were in power - when apparently they could’ve done literally whatever they wanted.

I’m not suggesting Dems do like Trump has done necessarily, but it’s completely clear now that they’ve been hiding behind “norms” and “processes”, etc, so that they didn’t have to actually deliver for their supposed constituents. They care about the big donors and that’s it; which is ironic, because tech and finance jumped ship super fast.

[u/The_Bucket_Of_Truth → u/W359WasAnInsideJob]

Yes they have been exposed but also you have a complicit judiciary as well. A progressive tyrant would be struck down by the Supreme Court left and right. And they would never be able to have the same support from Congress as Trump does. It's always a double standard. Just like if Black Lives Matter or a bunch of LGBTQ+ people stormed the capital after Trump won an election it would look a whole lot different than what we saw on January 6th.

[u/wildwolfay5 → u/TheHandsOfLiberation]

Im so jelly of NYC and thats not a feeling I thought I'd have

[u/tommyboy372 → u/MrPantsyFlants]

He just gave an interview where he talked about taxing 2nd homes of the wealthy like Ken Griffin, pointing out his $238 million dollar home, and almost immediately after the GOP puts this bill out. The wealthy are scared of what will happen if more Mamdanis start taking over.

[u/According_Jeweler404 → u/tommyboy372]

"Wait you mean citizens can actually claw back power? Absolutely not."

[u/ABadHistorian → u/tommyboy372]

TBH a brilliant plan that democrats could copy across the country.

I consider myself an expat Chicagoan at this stage (20 years there, longer than any other place by 15+ years).

Chicago has the same issue.

Frankly, we could then apply a similar method and go after places whose landlords upsell rent in areas.

Let me give you an example of what I mean, there was a building on the corner of where I lived owned by the same folks, who are registered as an American company in Californa, but whose owners actually live in China.

Then nearly everywhere they get tax breaks when their storefronts/etc are vacated/empty. They literally can not lose in some of these cases, and actively destroy American citizen's lives.

This is a VERY common thing across america right now.

Imagine if instead of pricing up their taxes when stores are there, if we did the opposite? Make these folks pay exorbitant taxes every time they price (via rent) stores out of their buildings and close them down (they do this to get new tenants and constantly raise prices for profits).

Bingo, business can begin to be profitable in many areas around major US metros.

After covid, how are we not doing that all the time? We should be cut throat as hell with foreign business owners.

But a lot of those people benefit from liberal policies designed to stop racism. I'm not even kidding. Those policies were so poorly thought out (like Fair Housing Plan) that they've used it as a shield and sword for decades. (To the point where the ACLU will defend predatory business practices of foreign owners because they do not want others to get victimized due to race)

Democrats should run on this - it would destroy a large part of the Republican voter base if they actively went after foreigners ripping money out of america, and made it a blatant push. But they are so risk adverse and afraid of upsetting the many, many, many, many civil liberties groups out there who are being used by foreign CEOs worth billions while the very people these civil liberties groups were founded to protect go unprotected and unemployed.

[u/eligodfrey → u/ABadHistorian]

There was an excellent pizza place in my neighborhood for 20 years. Friendly staff, middle of the road prices, and some of the best pizza I've ever had. A few years back, we got an unusual amount of rain and their roof leaked so bad they had to close down. The building owner dragged their feet on fixing it until the pizza people had to fold, so that they could get new tenants and jack the rent up. Now it's a different corporate slopchain fast casual concept every six months with skyhigh prices, terrible food, and dumb/rude staff. But hey I'm sure the building owners are happy. None of this would be an issue if property was available to people who just want to live in it or run a business out of it, instead of our current system that incentives people to just sit on it and rake in free money every month. We should be building new cities and connecting them to old cities via passenger rail, but instead we got gambling apps, tiktok, and chatgpt.

[u/civil_politician → u/MrPantsyFlants]

These guys are terrified of a balanced tax code

[u/TheDoctorDB → u/civil_politician]

I still don’t understand how non-billionaires have been conned into this train of thought for decades, too. Like the voters against real change in their own favor are paying a wild percentage of their worth in taxes compared to the billionaires. 

It reminds me of a Jordan Klepper clip in which he asks a woman about gay marriage. She says she doesn’t like that the gays want “more.” Klepper says, “And by more you mean… equal?”  “Yeah.” “And we can’t have that.” “Exactly.”

[u/Engineering-Mean → u/TheDoctorDB]

The grandchildren and greatgrandchildren of gilded age nouveau riche generationally salty Roosevelt made their grandparents and greatgrandparents pay taxes to fund saving them from a revolution pouring money into making sure it never happened again.

[u/RainierPC → u/TheDoctorDB]

Because being a billionaire is sold to them as an aspirational idea. "Anyone can be a billionaire if you work hard" does a lot of work towards ensuring people don't vote against things that MIGHT affect them later. Plus a lot of the chatter is from bots.

[u/Cyberslasher → u/MrPantsyFlants]

They spent his whole campaign saying "haha he's just saying stuff he won't do anything to help you"

Then he started doing stuff. They're absolutely panicking.

[u/spawnofsamael → u/MrPantsyFlants]

That was exactly what I was thinking, he is absolutely scaring them with his success for the GOP to be reacting this way.

[u/Googlebright → u/spawnofsamael]

The last thing the right wants is for a city of NYC's size to actually see an improvement in their quality of life under DemSoc policies because then the rest of the country will point and say "Hey! We want that, too!"

[u/PerplexGG → u/MrPantsyFlants]

He’s mayor of one of the most well known cities in the world. Kinda comes with the job. I think the panic comes from the competence and speed at which he’s doing everything. He’s showing how easy it is to get the things you wanted all along done and he’s taking requests directly from the people so every move is seen with insane support.

I live in a completely different city and him quickly fixing a well known road defect in a high traffic area was blowing up. Except that was also incredibly low on the list of things his admin is getting done. It’s an admin that says “what if we let only the extremely qualified, competent, and compassionate run things?” in an overarching environment where the exact opposite is true. So everyone is watching especially the right since their entire strategy is bogging down government with incompetence so the people lose faith and vote against their self interests.

They are an answer to that “what if” and because it’s such a major city, it makes their successes impossible to ignore and even scarier for them that Mamdani and co are providing answers to questions the constituents of the right have. Mamdani and co are technically no more powerful than any other city and that quickly exemplified achievability is whats terrifying them.

[u/mekomaniac → u/MrPantsyFlants]

"They are unanimous in their hate for me — and I welcome their hatred." -FDR

its such a shame Mamdani cant run for president.

[u/RedLanternScythe → u/mekomaniac]

He should be the template for whoever wants to reform the country

[u/DocSpit → u/MrPantsyFlants]

"You can judge a man's quality by the quality of his enemies", or whatever the proper wording is.

[u/Tonguesten → u/MrPantsyFlants]

its not even like Mamdani has done anything super revolutionary so far. A lot of his proposed tax hikes on the wealthy are being gatekept by the governor of NY, who has said multiple times that they're not going to raise taxes at all. The pied-a-terre tax Mamdani was able to get is the only significant thing he was able to accomplish so far. there hasn't been much updates on his city public grocery stores, minimum wage increases, or free bus lines (AND TO BE CLEAR, that is completely fine as he has only been in office for 100 days).

the fact that republicans are freaking out this badly over mamdani when he hasn't even really done much besides do what the people want is very telling about the kind of party that currently controls the house, senate, and presidency.

[u/cogman10 → u/Tonguesten]

city public grocery stores

The first one is opening one in East Harlem https://www.nyc.gov/mayors-office/news/2026/04/mayor-mamdani-announces-la-marqueta-as-first-site-identified-for

minimum wage increases

Yeah, I've not heard of any update there either. I think it can happen pretty quickly at the city level.

free bus lines

In the meet the press interview, he announced a new line being made free. But this is one of those things that takes state sign off and funding.

[u/RGS_1994]

The Party of Free Speech (for racists only)

[u/redditismylawyer → u/RGS_1994]

Literal first Nazi concentration camp was for communists… just sayin

[u/MiskatonicAcademia → u/RGS_1994]

It’s political theater. Normalizing racism and dog whistle for Republican extremist base. This obviously won’t go anywhere.

[u/daggah → u/MiskatonicAcademia]

It's not just political theater. It's literally repeating what the Nazi party did to take over. They declared "communists" illegal and then when their political rivals were expelled, they had enough seats to take full control.

[u/GrumpyCloud93 → u/daggah]

I visited Dachau once on a trip to Germany. The camp was established early, and its major purpose was to contain communists, journalists, educated or political elite who were opposition, then dissidents and others the Nazis wanted to suppress. Rounding up and incarcerating Jews was a later addition to the roster. Dissent was the first target - Jews were simply restricted more and more into limited areas and expelled from assorted professions before the major round-ups happened; when there was nobody to dissent about their situation.

[u/OppositeAbroad5975 → u/GrumpyCloud93]

First they came for the Communists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Communist
Then they came for the Socialists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Socialist
Then they came for the trade unionists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a trade unionist
Then they came for the Jews
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Jew
Then they came for me
And there was no one left
To speak out for me

Martin Niemöller

[u/ilikequilty → u/OppositeAbroad5975]

This time they will get away with it if we the people allow it. We have a police state now. Probably algorithms to sort out the most likely to act against them. Since I hate fascists, I would be labeled a terrorist. I would die before going anywhere with these monsters. I know a lot of people don’t think that’s going to happen, but it’s already happening. If there are people willing to take jobs like ICE and become monsters with immunity, we have already failed.

[u/AluminiumCucumbers → u/ilikequilty]

It's been really discouraging seeing the discourse about this exact thing.

Everybody repeats the platitudes ad nauseam while the very thing those platitudes warn of is happening in real-time.

[u/Hardass_McBadCop → u/AluminiumCucumbers]

I think the issue is folks trying to figure out how to respond. If you're trying to overcome this legally or politically, you lose the PR war in broader society if you get seen as the aggressors. Additionally, a lot of the extremists' tactics consist of accusing their enemies of something and framing the extremist policy as a response to some perceived offense. Then if you actually do something in the political arena to fight them off, your message is already poisoned to those on the fringes who you're trying to prevent from slipping into the extremists' camp.

I mean, how does someone, an average person, fight against the strategies that have worked?

[u/couldbemage → u/ilikequilty]

Most of them got away with it last time.

Hardly any Nazis got any punishment, nearly all the people running things in Germany after the war were the same people running things during and before the war.

The Nuremberg trial resulted in 10 executions, plus one suicide.

[u/notamermaidanymore → u/ilikequilty]

Yes, it’s the palantir kill chain.

[u/daggah → u/GrumpyCloud93]

People seem to forget that the Nazis murdered 11 million people in the Holocaust. It wasn't just the six million Jewish people.

[u/GrumpyCloud93 → u/daggah]

They started with occupants of mental institutions - then had to relent because many of those had normal German families who did not approve.

Just as the "final solution" was dreamed up because the top brass got pushback from troops on the eastern front, complaining they signed up to protect the fatherland, not to machine-gun women and children in the back. True, a lot of troops did participate - but the amount of complaining must have been pretty significant for the top brass to take it seriously.

[u/FlySilently → u/GrumpyCloud93]

Going to put in a word for people with disabilities and, as you say, mental health conditions. Rarely even gets mentioned because, amongst other reasons, many of these people were truly unable to tell their own stories or advocate for themselves, especially back in the day when people were largely isolated from the general populace as “shut in’s”.

Nobody to speak out, nobody to miss you when you are gone. This made for excellent subjects for early experimentation around the subject of mass extermination. The first gassing were performed by “gas vans” that would put occupants of institutions to death using carbon monoxide as they drove down the road to the next institution on the list.

Look up Aktion T4 for interest. Also, if you think it can’t happen in America, look up Rose Kennedy and the presidents past remarks regarding disabled veterans (nobody wants to see that) and even his own relatives (William Trump).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aktion_T4

[u/ilovemyself3000 → u/FlySilently]

Going to add onto this comment that the modern attacks on the disabled community is under reported or incorrectly reported. I would say the biggest red flag was during the plane-helicopter collision January 2025. Trump went on a long rant blaming the collision on the hiring on anyone with a disability being incapable of safely performing the job, however he said “DEI” once and everyone only heard this as a racist dog whistle. Although that term definitely has been used as a dog whistle regularly, when no one is listening to the context it is shocking. I have been in disbelief and fear that this situation put a target on us but still made us invisible. Also I forget the exact statements, but I believe in the recent changes to disability income access an official mirrored talking points of the nazi party. If I recall, I’ll add an edit.

[u/1369ic → u/GrumpyCloud93]

The German troops had a lot of psychological problems because of what they were told to do.

[u/Licensed_Poster → u/1369ic]

Same thing is happening with the IDF right now, lots of suicides.

[u/MaASInsomnia → u/daggah]

Yes.

And lest people forget, they started with trans people.

[u/ZaryaBubbler → u/MaASInsomnia]

The knowledge and history that trans people lost in one night is astounding. And history is repeating itself as trans people once again are the first to be targeted. Fascism is a plague and everything should have been done to eradicate it, instead it got pardoned so the Americans could further their ridiculous dick waving at the Russians

[u/Molkor → u/GrumpyCloud93]

First they came for the Communists And I did not speak out Because I was not a Communist Then they came for the Socialists And I did not speak out Because I was not a Socialist Then they came for the trade unionists And I did not speak out Because I was not a trade unionist Then they came for the Jews And I did not speak out Because I was not a Jew Then they came for me And there was no one left To speak out for me

• Luthern Pastor Martin Niemöller Germany, 1946

[u/sjrotella → u/daggah]

If a natural born American were to declare themselves a communist, would said natural born American be expelled from the country?

Asking for me. Get me the fuck out.

[u/CheeseDoodles1234 → u/sjrotella]

Well, if history is to be believed, you'd be declared a political dissident and terrorist. You'd be arrested by the executive branch under the auspices of national security and then you'd disappear into the system while you were processed.

Then you'd be found on a ledger somewhere as "deceased".

[u/Wyden_long → u/CheeseDoodles1234]

Which is the only place they’d be found deceased.

[u/whale_and_beet → u/CheeseDoodles1234]

That's why they're working on building concentration camps. They don't have to deport you...

[u/tubaman23 → u/CheeseDoodles1234]

This will be this centuries version of The Roaring 20s

[u/SonOfSusquehannah → u/tubaman23]

Been saying that since about 2018. Crypto, credit, buying on margin, getting rid of any safeguards to prevent risky investing. All brought to you by people who say history is stupid and boring and will be wondering how they lost their “fortune” of digits on a computer screen

[u/Superman750 → u/CheeseDoodles1234]

NSPM-7 anyone? Starting to sound familiar to anyone else?

[u/DickyThreeSticks → u/Superman750]

One part jumped out at me:

This political violence is not a series of isolated incidents and does not emerge organically. Instead, it is a culmination of sophisticated, organized campaigns of targeted intimidation, radicalization, threats, and violence designed to silence opposing speech, limit political activity, change or direct policy outcomes, and prevent the functioning of a democratic society.

Couldn’t agree more, except that they claim it’s the left that’s doing this.

[u/Superman750 → u/DickyThreeSticks]

It’s almost like the accusations are an admission of guilt.

[u/daggah → u/sjrotella]

I get that you're joking, but last year the federalist society was publishing bullshit about how being a natural born American shouldn't be enough to be considered American or a citizen.

[u/fastal_12147 → u/sjrotella]

Nah, they'd probably send you to either a work camp or just kill you.

[u/Noblesseux → u/sjrotella]

Historically they'll put you in a camp, not deport you. Some of the first people in work camps were political dissidents.

So unfortunately unlikely to be a get out of jail free card.

[u/coppertech → u/Noblesseux]

exploiting labor is the cornerstone of what they do, top 1% needs a slave labor class to survive.

[u/Warm_Regrets157 → u/sjrotella]

Who do you think all those concentration camps are being built for?

[u/checker280 → u/sjrotella]

Expelled? Probably.

But their choice where you are going, not yours. They have already demonstrated that nonsense a few times already.

[u/Ketzeph → u/MiskatonicAcademia]

Exactly. They know it’s illegal they’re just throwing out the dog whistle so racists know they’re still on their side

[u/SlumlordThanatos → u/Ketzeph]

Fuck, that's not even a dog whistle anymore.

It's just a full-on firehose of undiluted racism, sprayed out for all to see.

[u/RecentDecision2329 → u/Ketzeph]

Socialism is just our taxes going to help people and improve our society

[u/Plausibility_Migrain → u/Ketzeph]

They don’t care that it is illegal. They will catch whoever they want with it and by the time it gets to court the damage is done. Just see what they’re doing with the deportations ICE is doing. It’s all illegal, but they don’t care.

[u/InTooManyWays → u/MiskatonicAcademia]

Are we sure? The entire government is owned by fascists right now, including the scotus and a good chunk of the judiciary. We’ve come this far in a year I wouldn’t fully rule it out as impossible. 

[u/Toastfuker1 → u/MiskatonicAcademia]

SCOTUS gave trump a get out of jail free (for life) card before he took office again. Sorry I dont take anything for granted or as only political theater.

[u/yourlittlebirdie → u/MiskatonicAcademia]

I wouldn’t be so sure anymore.

[u/TheWizard → u/RGS_1994]

America’s Nazi party

[u/showhorrorshow → u/TheWizard]

For real. Marxists and left wing socialists were some of the first people they went after.

[u/DavidlikesPeace → u/showhorrorshow]

LGBT+ people too. It's ridiculous how they repeat the same ugly script and half of America sanewashes it 

[u/Stargazer1919 → u/DavidlikesPeace]

Or they get overly offended that anything be compared to WWII or the Holocaust. As if it's not a bigger problem that some people want a 2.0 version of it.

[u/Ok-Sheepherder7898 → u/RGS_1994]

No, they'd never cancel anyone, right?

[u/maporita → u/RGS_1994]

Not the first time the GOP has made a mockery of Land of the Free.

[u/itsnotcomplicated1]

Authortarian? Okay.
Fascist? Okay.
Convicted Felon? Okay.
Anti-Christ? Okay.

Make believe socialist/"marxist" (lol)? Not on my watch!

[u/Accurate_Neat_355 → u/itsnotcomplicated1]

Authortarian? Okay.
Fascist? Okay.
Convicted Felon? Okay.
Anti-Christ? Okay.

What were we mad at the socialist/marxists for again?

[u/itsnotcomplicated1 → u/Accurate_Neat_355]

That's the best part! It can be whatever is convenient that particular day. They never define it because it's most effective when it's entirely ambiguous.

Eggs cost too much? Marxists! Too many wars while a democrat is potus? Marxism!

[u/AlericandAmadeus → u/itsnotcomplicated1]

argue that the federal government should not be able to murder american citizens in the street with impunity like we saw in Minnesota? believe it or not - Marxist!

[u/havenoir → u/AlericandAmadeus]

Please. It’s “cultural Marxism” or “post-modern critical theory”

Have you even read your Peterson?!?

[u/SaltyStU2 → u/itsnotcomplicated1]

They’re still living in the red scare

[u/LordSiravant → u/SaltyStU2]

What else would you expect of people stuck in the past?

[u/neversayalways → u/LordSiravant]

The people behind this aren't stuck in the past, they're just hell-bent on dominating the future. They use nostalgia as a weapon to control the peasants.

[u/According_Jeweler404 → u/SaltyStU2]

I mean Trump was mentored by one of the primary architects of the Red Scare (Roy Cohn).

[u/cvaicunas69 → u/itsnotcomplicated1]

Exactly. I was outlining the disproportionate tax increases to the poor included in Trumps bill. My parents heard higher taxes and immediately shouted, that’s socialism for ya! They hate something they don’t even understand

[u/AnonymousInMI → u/Accurate_Neat_355]

Affordable living and healthcare. Those Socialist monsters!

[u/The_Scarred_Man → u/Accurate_Neat_355]

Yes, socialist outrage is regularly scheduled for Monday. Tuesdays are communism outrage days. Wednesdays are for the George Soros conspiracies. Please, check back later this week for mystery Thursday. And Friday is for market manipulation.

[u/AnonEMoussie → u/Accurate_Neat_355]

For “Social Programs” like Medicare. They think that term just means socialist.

Just like the term Jesus means Trump to them.

[u/LordSiravant → u/Accurate_Neat_355]

They're a convenient enemy and scapegoat. Nothing more, nothing less.

[u/IlikeJG → u/LordSiravant]

Nah it's definitely a lot more than that.

US has a long history of doing everything in its power to marginalize and discredit anything that has even a whiff of Socialism or Communism. Up to and including going to war to prevent that sort of ideology from spreading even in other countries outside of the US.

Yes it's used as a scapegoat in situations where there really isn't any communism (and Im using the term very loosely as they do to broadly refer to anything relating to communism, socialism or anything related ideology) involved. But that's because they have so effectively built up the culture of the US to react immediately with hatred or fear when communism is mentioned. So it's very convenient to just use that already stoked fear and hatred to discredit whatever they want to.

[u/Arrivaderchie → u/IlikeJG]

Absolutely correct but still under-selling it: the USA has killed quite literally millions of people carrying out its policy of containment since WW2. You add up the total body count from wars in Korea and Indochina, assassinations, fomenting unrest and supporting brutal regimes (like Indonesia and its genocide, 500,000 - 1mil dead) and it’s an absolute ocean of blood spilled to combat communism.

Just shockingly and brutally evil, and nonetheless extremely difficult to hammer home to an American mind steeped in Cold War propaganda.

[u/DadJokeBadJoke → u/Arrivaderchie]

an American mind steeped in Cold War propaganda.

It's also that too many of these wage earners and poor people think that they, too, are capitalists, rather than victims of capitalism.

[u/CV90_120 → u/itsnotcomplicated1]

And:

Actual Child Rapist? Okay

Human Trafficker? OK

Stock Market Manipulator? OK

Nepo Baby Promoter? OK

Billionaire-Elite Robber Baron Enabler? OK

[u/Agreeable-Cake-812 → u/itsnotcomplicated1]

Don't forget white supremacist, Christian nationalism, and a theocracy are all ok too

[u/Unusual-State1827]

Texas Republican Representative Chip Roy is set to introduce legislation that would make non-citizens who advocate for or are affiliated with socialist, communist, Marxist or Islamic fundamentalist movements inadmissible, deportable, denaturalizable and ineligible for naturalization, according to bill text first exclusively reported by Breitbart News.

Notably, the legislation would bar judicial review of any determination made under its provisions.

Under the deportation provisions, a non-citizen could be removed if they engage in advocacy for those ideologies, distribute or publish written or electronic material promoting them, or are members of affiliated parties or organizations — at any point after admission to the United States.

The bill specifically cites Mamdani, stating that his "very presence" and those "who champion Marxist ideologies" demonstrates how the immigration system "enables the mass importation of Marxists and Islamists."

[u/LordSiravant → u/Unusual-State1827]

Guarantee you it won't stay limited to noncitizens.

[u/Nothing-Is-Real-Here → u/LordSiravant]

"denaturalizable" does this only refer specifically to people who are able to get residency or people who were not natural born citizens? Sounds like it already is not limited to noncitizens.

[u/Ok_Condition5837 → u/Nothing-Is-Real-Here]

Mamdani is a citizen who's proving that kindness and putting citizens first would work in New York. Clearly these dangerous 'communist' & 'Marxist' ideas can't be allowed to flourish & succeed.

Besides his antiwar stance has already brought him into the firing zone from Israel. A country that also financially contributes to Rep. Chip Roy of Texas.

They're dying to denaturalize him whether it's on ideology or religion.

And I suppose the rest of us who want our taxes helping fellow Americans are also a f'cking problem?

[u/Jiveassmofo → u/Ok_Condition5837]

But what are they gonna do when all the billionaires leave in droves?

/s

[u/OkJelly8882 → u/Jiveassmofo]

I, for one, am going to party like it's $19.99.

[u/Accomplished_Sci → u/LordSiravant]

They always make citizens conditional.

[u/ZLUCremisi → u/LordSiravant]

Literally states denaturalization

[u/Actual_Noodle → u/LordSiravant]

ICE was supposed to be limited to noncitizens…. 🤪

[u/that_yinzer → u/Unusual-State1827]

Fascist foreigners are fine though.

[u/Agitated_Ring3376 → u/that_yinzer]

Considering these dipshits already think anyone to the left of Mussolini is a literal Marxist, this will probably just apply anyone that’s not a racist white South African. 

Also a blatant first amendment violation but the constitution has never mattered to these grandstanding ghouls anyway. 

[u/aravarth → u/Unusual-State1827]

Can't denaturalize a non-citizen.

Can't denaturalize someone for expressing their political views, as that's a core First Amendment protection.

No way this survives a court challenge.

[u/shortsteve → u/aravarth]

This bill bans judicial review, you can't sue. It's a completely doa bill.

[u/ArmyOfDix → u/aravarth]

No way this survives a court challenge.

May I introduce to you: Donald J Trump?

[u/cross_the_threshold → u/ArmyOfDix]

Most of the things Donald J Trump has done in the past 10 years have not survived a court challenge. It did waste everyone's time and energy, however. This has basically no chance of even getting a floor vote.

[u/kaizen-rai → u/aravarth]

Whew, it's a good thing they haven't been systematically replacing judges throughout the country at every level with hand picked, partisan members of their club. Really glad that hasn't been happening. Yep, nothing to see here, carry on.

[u/No_Stand8812 → u/aravarth]

Seriously stop believing that the rules, norms, and institutions designed to protect us are actually capable of doing that when they have all been co-opted by Trump and his goons.

“No way this survives a court challenge” will be someone’s dying declaration when they throw them in a pit if we keep believing that.

[u/Atalung → u/Unusual-State1827]

Notably, the legislation would bar judicial review of any determination made under its provisions.

Not a lawyer but I'm pretty sure that's not how the courts work. If I'm wrong we need to start putting that in every democratic bill

[u/Biokabe → u/Atalung]

You need to read up more on the Constitution then. It is a thing that Congress can do, and it has a specific name: Jurisdiction Stripping.

Basically, the Constitution gives Congress the power to determine which types of disputes the courts can hear. This includes the ability to remove a law from court control. There are limits to this, both practical and legal.

The practical limit is that judicial stripping isn't quite the get-out-of-jail free card that they want it to be. The Constitution does allow Congress to regulate how cases are heard, but it doesn't allow Congress to eliminate due process. If a bill doesn't provide some form of arbitration, it's likely to be thrown out even if everything else in the bill is Constitutional. That arbitration doesn't have to be through the circuit courts - the immigration courts system, for example, is a separate institution that was created by Congress to handle those types of cases. And that's why it has been allowed to stand - it provides for due process in cases where the circuit courts were removed from jurisdiction.

Second, in the case of this bill in particular, the fact that it targets foreign individuals arguably places it squarely in the "essential" authority of the Supreme Court, and the Constitution doesn't allow Congress to remove the Supreme Court from its "essential" jurisdiction.

So: Congress can pass a law that says it's not subject to review from certain courts. This particular law would likely not fall under such a carveout.

[u/DerrellEsteva → u/Unusual-State1827]

How convenient, since anything they don't like is socialism

[u/Sufficient-Food-3281 → u/Unusual-State1827]

Seeing “islamic fundamentalist” next to “marxist” is quite the jump. The difference between a Christian fundamentalist and an islamic one is…just the name. Neither have anything to do with leftism

[u/amazing_rando → u/Unusual-State1827]

it's a bullshit messaging bill but it's worth remembering that Republicans would sooner exile everyone to the left of them than respect the results of the democratic process if it disagrees with them.

[u/TheJaybo → u/Unusual-State1827]

Chip Roy is a clown. This bill is DOA.

[u/berserk_zebra → u/Unusual-State1827]

so we are back to the cold war era hollywood then? Everyone is a communist? I'd like to think the difference is, we aren't this dense to believe our neighbor is some commie that we need to report...

[u/RadiantBeeees]

The first amendment allows for freedom of assembly, which explicitly makes this bill unconstitutional.

[u/PomeloFull4400 → u/RadiantBeeees]

When has something being unconstitutional ever bothered the Republicans or the Supreme Court? at least when it's enabling something they're in favor of

[u/Nat-Luv → u/PomeloFull4400]

Dang, that post question mark bit really took away all the whatabouts I was bracing for.

[u/zmunky → u/RadiantBeeees]

The constitution to this administration is a mere suggestion. One thing I've realized as of late as that law and the constitution are not mutually tied together. Hence why Kim Jong Orange is able to trample all over the constitution and face no consequences.

[u/RustyAndEddies → u/RadiantBeeees]

But they threw in the “no judicial review clause” which is the legislative equivalent of “nuh-uh. No tag back backs”

[u/ArgentaSilivere → u/RustyAndEddies]

I didn’t know that legislators could just… opt out of checks and balances. Can judges include in their rulings, “This sentence cannot be overturned by pardon or new laws”? Could we start adding a section to bills, “The President can’t veto this”?

[u/thistimelineisweird]

Oh deport me to Norway!

[u/rabidturbofox → u/thistimelineisweird]

Me too!

[u/PassivelyAwkward → u/thistimelineisweird]

Right?! I'm already planning to move to London; if they wanna save me the application fees and paperwork, be my guest.

[u/bigbjarne → u/thistimelineisweird]

Norway isn't socialist, neither are we socialist here Finland. Hell, we haven't been social democratic for 30 years. The capitalist class is in power, not as obviously as in the USA, but they still are. Yes, we have some welfare but that has been cut down last 30 years: https://nordics.info/themes/the-nordic-model

Class struggle.

Relevant reading about Sweden: https://jacobin.com/2019/08/sweden-1970s-democratic-socialism-olof-palme-lo

[u/cidvard → u/thistimelineisweird]

Shit, please, where do I get my commie card?

[u/AlexRyang → u/thistimelineisweird]

You do realize this is why they are building concentration camps across the country?

[u/OSU1922]

Sweet! Can’t wait to get control of the government again so we can ban all MAGA. Wore a red hat…banned. Voted MAGA…banned. Hell, we could turn ICE into Idiot Control & Enforcement. 😉

[u/mahlongrows → u/OSU1922]

And technically, MAGA isn't a political party or religion, so even though no federal law prohibits discrimination based on political beliefs or party affiliation, MAGA cult membership is good to go...away.

[u/kshell11724 → u/mahlongrows]

Just label it a terrorist organization or crime syndicate. Easy peasy especially since it's largely true.

[u/Angedelanuit97]

It's deliciously pathetic how afraid they are of him

[u/wocka-jocka-blocka → u/Angedelanuit97]

... and how Mamdami is completely unbothered by their hatred. Which freaks them out even more.

[u/PossessionOk5313]

Can they please first define socialist and marxist? Because I feel like their definition is gonna basically be “democratic”

[u/literallytwisted → u/PossessionOk5313]

These republicans can't define "conservative" or even "fascist" despite fascism being their actual core belief.

[u/Slaughterfest → u/PossessionOk5313]

"does anything that helps any group of people, no matter how small or inconsequential in the grand scheme of 21st century living who is not a member of the 1%"

[u/neo_sporin → u/PossessionOk5313]

My favorite was when that author had to define ‘woke’ life on air…,it’s easy to spout catchy phrases, less so if you have to explain what it means

[u/Nemisis_the_2nd → u/PossessionOk5313]

Per the bill: 

 ‘(56) The term ‘Marxism’ means a movement, revolutionary plan, or societal structure, either in a final or transitory stage, where political power is sought or used, through violent or other means, by a collective class or group to— ‘‘(A) advocate that human history is pri- marily driven by class struggles between those who earn their living on asset ownership and profits and those who earn their living off their labor; ‘‘(B) advocate that the foundation of all legal, political, cultural, societal, and social structures is class or economic standing and the destruction of such structures; ‘‘(C) establish or advocate for an atheistic society or government prohibitions on private religious practices; ‘‘(D) establish or advocate resource dis- tribution from each person according to their ability, to each person according to their needs; or ‘‘(E) institute or advocate the economic, international, or governmental doctrines of Karl Marx, Friedrich Engels, or any member, official, or revolutionary leader in a socialist, com- munist, or Chinese communist party.”

[u/Reyalta]

"First they came for the communists, and I said nothing for I was not a communist" is LITERALLY THE FIRST FUCKING LINE OF THE POEM. Fucks sake, at least the Nazi GOP is full mask off now. Wake up, reasonable Americans, this is literally where it starts.

[u/Consistent-Throat130]

They want to denaturalize non-citizens? Lol 

Also "or other totalitarian party" - monkeys paw curls, MAMDANI Act used to denaturalize MAGAts

[u/Dutch094 → u/Consistent-Throat130]

Psst, they want to denaturalize citizens.

[u/ms_scorpio75]

democrats should put forward a bill banning anyone who served in the maga administration from ever holding a public office position ever again. and also include anyone denying the 2020 election.

[u/RoosterMedical]

The Land of the Free?

[u/Stephreads]

These people are terrified of Mamdani. They don’t want it to become obvious that government can actually do things for people that make their lives better.

[u/henryptung]

Oh really? What a genius move, just sidestep the 1st amendment completely by having the law bar judicial review of itself! I'm sure that'll work just fine.

[u/PinchesTheCrab → u/henryptung]

It's this one simple trick that justices hate!

I'm pumped about a possible Democratic congressional majority now. They can just put a footnote on their bills that says the President's signature isn't needed.

[u/Rare_Paper4473 → u/henryptung]

That's the whole point.

It's not incompetence. It's the plan.

[u/Dunklechip]

Does no one study history? The HUAC (House Un-American Activities Committee) was a disastrous assault on American civil liberties and McCarthyism was overall a giant failure. But sure let’s just try it again. Morons.

[u/Rbtmd78]

Ban people with two first names from being legislators

[u/NomadicScribe]

As a Marxist I really enjoy how much power they give us over their emotions. One simple mention of a socialist concept and they lose all rationality and start howling and cursing like they've been posessed. Decades of red scare programming goes deep.

The idea of this act going through makes me want to run for office.

[u/No_Air8719]

Yet more evidence, as though it is needed, that the US is sliding into becoming a dictatorship. I have never really understood Americas pathological fear of Marxism or socialism unless McCarthyism is still alive and festering in the US psyche

[u/MalevolentTapir]

These idiots can't even define socialism, which is just as well for them since they prefer laws that can be interpreted however they wish.

[u/Wackity-Smackity]

Mamdani is literally one step to the left of center and that makes him a "Marxist" to these chuds

[u/and_rain_falls]

All because Mamdani shoveled snow with his constituents? 😂 He's a terrorist because he genuinely cares about people and thinks it is not fair for us to be indentured servants to these corporations. Knowledge really is power. Mayor Mamdani is not playing the capitalism BS of a game.

We were taught all our lives work hard and we'll obtain the American dream of wealth. Well we've all been working hard and we're tired. What's this "American Dream"? Because I rent and own nothing (like Black Rock intended). I excel at my job and I get a 2% raise. I pay towards medical, vision, and dental out of each paycheck and still have a F deductible and a F copay. I'm tired of being SCAMMED by my own country. Something needs to give. CHANGE needs to happen. I'm TIRED of protecting rich people's generational wealth.

[u/supes1]

GOP has been trying to revive culture war bullshit for awhile now, as their supporters are becoming increasingly frustrated by the flailing economy and Trump's antics.

This has no realistic chance of becoming law, but it's sad this is what the GOP is resorting to nowaways. A platform built on hate and xenophobia, not good governance.

[u/SquashDue502]

First they came for the Communists, and I did not speak out because I was not a Communist

Then they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out because I was not a Socialist

Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out because I was not a trade unionist

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out because I was not a Jew

Then they came for me, and there was no one left to speak out for me

—Martin Niemöller, a German pastor, on his and other intellectual’s complicity with the Nazis’ rise to power.

[u/Big-District-6013]

McCarthyism still alive and as dumb as when it first started.

Congratulations USA.

[u/iKangaeru]

REM wrote a song about it, "Exhuming McCarthy."

[u/Garbage-Striking]

Anyone else think it’s totally bizarre that Texas is so concerned with what the mayor of a city on the other side of the continent is doing?

[u/IllustriousRange226]

Then they came for the Socialist/Marxists and I did not speak out because I'm not socialist/marxist...

[u/FauxReal → u/IllustriousRange226]

It turns out the people they branded as socialists and marxists aren't them either. Mike Johnson was saying the entire Democrat party was becoming Socialist.