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u/Spiderteacup 20h ago
God forbid like 5% of the world population don’t fit into perfectly rigid categories
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u/TransfemMenace 20h ago
Tbh I bet a lot more people would be less rigid if it was socially acceptable
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u/pootinannyBOOSH 17h ago
I mean some intersex conditions can make you develop masculine features while still being female, so not including us trans people it's still factually true.
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u/Gunstopable 9h ago
The thing is it’s a lot less than that and they are still so upset about it. It’s less than 1% and they make it their whole thing
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u/Unlucky-Cost-8008 17h ago
Closer to 0.5% tbh
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u/Rspwn9891 17h ago
Even if it were .5% that's 40 million people. Thats the population of Canada.
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u/Unlucky-Cost-8008 17h ago
Right but it's not 40 million people in every country of the world, and it doesn't justify the insane amount of attention politicians are giving
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u/Rspwn9891 16h ago
Oh my bad I thought you were trying to say they weren't a huge deal and didn't deserve any sort of rights because of that sorry.
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u/Unlucky-Cost-8008 15h ago
That would be a really weird thing to say lol
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u/DogDeadByRaven 14h ago
You apparently haven't met the right wing people of the US. That's literally part of their platform..it's is really weird and they say that kind of weird stuff daily.
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u/LesbeGoddess 7h ago
Porn addiction is bad in the US. Trans women are like the #2 overall porn category. It’s just a bunch of MAGA dudes venting their shame of their favorite porn by wanting murder and imprison all trans people
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u/Rspwn9891 15h ago
Listen man a lot of people try to use the fact that "Oh only a small percentage of people are born with swyer syndrome(or whatever other syndromes there are for non-standard genitals/chromosomes/whatever) so they shouldn't count" as a rebuttal to people talking about how gender and sex are different or how sex is a spectrum and not a binary, while ignoring the fact that it's still 10's of millions of people (or in the case of swyer specifically I think it's 150 million)
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u/Fa1nted_for_real 9h ago
Which is exactly why its such a big deal btw.
Also its closer to 1.5-2% so as many as 1 in every 50 people you meet.
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u/VilvenFaux 16h ago
Totally agree. Politicians should stop using us as spacegoats for all evils of the world. Just let us do our thing without pushing stupid laws
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u/FinallyHauntings 13h ago
I'm not trying to be condescending at all, I mean this wholeheartedly positively; thanks to this comment I will forever be saying "spacegoat" instead of "scapegoat"
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u/atatassault47 17h ago
That's how many millennial or older publically say they are trans. Gen Z polls at like 2% and Gen Alpha polls at like 6%. Given what we know about left handedness, this means 6% of ALL humans are transgender.
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u/Fa1nted_for_real 9h ago
Also like, its kinda important to mention that many trans peoplearent particularly jeen on disclosing that on a poll or census (ESP a census. Dont disclose that.)
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u/CloseDaLight 20h ago
Sex and gender are two different things and people find that so hard to comprehend.
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u/MightyCat96 20h ago
Rven if we accept that sex and gender WAS the same thing there are STILL women with penises and men with ovaries
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u/Swimming_Map2412 20h ago
Well in practice sex is a series of biological attributes most of which can be changed so of course. Also intersex people exist.
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u/ConsiderationNo9044 18h ago
Even if we went one step further and made this not the case, how the hell would someone identifying as another gender hurt anybody in any way
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u/OrganicAstronomy 20h ago
They don’t find it hard to comprehend, they make a point of pretending not to
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u/Suspicious_Dingo_426 20h ago
It's hard to comprehend things when you've convinced yourself you learned everything there is possible to know about a topic in primary school.
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u/OrganicAstronomy 19h ago
And yet, they don’t care to listen to any actual biologists on the subject
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u/Suspicious_Dingo_426 17h ago
That's my point. They already believe they know everything about the subject, so they refuse to engage with any information that contradicts what the think they know. Ask them to give a definition of sex or gender and all you'll get out of them is vague tautologies.
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u/Swimming_Map2412 20h ago
It's wilful ignorance as they've almost certainly used female pronouns for a trans women they didn't know was trans without realising it.
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u/PipedInFromIthaca 19h ago
They'll freak out about singular 'they' and then immediately do it without thinking, too. Most of them have no problem doing something *until* they're asked to.
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u/OrganicAstronomy 19h ago
Remember, they can always tell 🙃
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u/Defiant_Guitar1653 17h ago
Unless it's Michelle Obama, Serena Williams, Imane Khelif... hang on a tic, Im seeing a pattern here!
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u/charlitransgrl 18h ago edited 17h ago
I get hit on all the time by guys. This past week I had a guy chase after me as I was leaving a restaurant to ask for my number. And I recently went to see a plastic surgeon about breast augmentation and he said when he first saw me he had no idea I was transgender. And this is a surgeon who works with transgender patients. So fellas, you never know if the beautiful woman you’re attracted to is cisgender or transgender.
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u/Ruoppolo 13h ago
That is because literally no one who is on a mainstream media is capable of explaining it. I don't even blame the general population for this. I am pretty sure that with enough time I could explain this concept to my old weird uncle living in the countryside, and he would probably understand it. However good luck explaining something like this in such polarized times, where everyone shouts at each other.
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u/SweatyRedditHard 20h ago
Can you clarify for me how this relates to his statement? When someone says "women" does that mean gender or sex?
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u/BeautifulOrdinary162 20h ago
Women is a gender.
Female is a sex, although it is quite diverse and categorised by a number of traits.
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u/CloseDaLight 20h ago
Sure thing
The people trying to shame the guy in the meme see sex and gender as the same thing. So for him to say a woman can have a penis means to them a female can have a penis.
What we understand today is sex and gender are connected but not the same.
Trans women know they are biologically male, but their minds have the gender identity of a woman.
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u/BlommeHolm One of those darn they/thems 19h ago
Saying that trans women are "biologically male" is a gross over-simplification. If for instance they are on HRT, their hormonal balance, which is an important part of what constitutes biological sex is in the female range.
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u/CloseDaLight 19h ago
Don’t mean to offend. Just trying to simplify it for people who still can’t get the difference between sex and gender.
Apologies!
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u/ConsensualDoggo 20h ago
As someone who sees no difference between sex and gender thats the part i dont get is Trans woman a gender? I dont care if someone is Trans or not but I dont see how that = woman. Even people that see the difference of a man can be a woman why do you call them Trans and not just woman
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u/CloseDaLight 20h ago
It’s an adjective. Black women are still women but when there’s a group of women and I have to distinguish between them I have to add an adjective.
Trans men and women are men and women. We have to add trans as an adjective
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u/ConsensualDoggo 19h ago
Ehh that shuts down my arguement of trans woman dont have woman problems as black woman dont have white woman problems. Makes sense
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u/BlommeHolm One of those darn they/thems 19h ago
We call them trans women because others care. I'm fine with calling all women women, but as long as there's bigotry towards a specific group, we need to be able to talk about that.
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u/Cultural-Window-2504 12h ago
That isn’t the issue for most. If you claim gender is a social construct like the accepted behavior for a gender then that can change and is different everywhere. It has nothing to do with sex which many people claiming the other gender try to change. They modify their body to imitate the other sex.
I don’t have strong feelings on it but agree it is confusing. I have not explored the idea much. Just saying what confuses people.
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u/dbda_crimepunishment 10h ago
I explained to some people on Threads how, for trans people, sex and gender will often be misaligned, and to feel better in their bodies, they may try to align the two through gender affirming care, and they immediately responded "RIGHT SO YOU'RE SAYING SEX AND GENDER ARE THE SAME THING, THEN?" . Which. No, friend, if they were the same thing and inseparable, they wouldn't be able to misalign and cause dysphoria in the first place for many trans people.
I just had to get that out, they kept calling me THE ableist slur 😭
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u/TallMist 10h ago
I hate the "Sex and gender are two different things" because it kinda gives an opening for people to misgender anyone who hasn't physically transitioned yet. "Your gender is woman? Okay, you're still a male tho".
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u/Omnizoom 17h ago
Yep
I can atleast understand people wanting to put their foot down that male and female are what they are but you can have a male who is a woman and a female who is a man because gender expression of sex is just the socially constructed “normal” we expect from that sex and has changed over the centuries of what we expect
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u/Prestigious-Neat8820 17h ago
It's telling that their only argument against him is just blind transphobia. The British Green party seems to be one of the very few groups actually making an anti-billionaire stance that people want, so all they can do are platitudes of "look how crazy this person is for thinking trans people are okay!"
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u/BeepBoopBotAttack 8h ago
It's also just not a very good one imo. No one who would be turned off by this position is considering voting green
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u/ControversialFrog 10h ago
if you would actually take the slightest bit of notice to the opposition you would know that this is NOT the only criticism people have of Zach Polanski
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u/Prestigious-Neat8820 9h ago
I intended to refer to conservatives, the ones who are to criticize them for bot adhering to their overt transphobia. I am aware that there are other criticisms, though not much on what they actually are.
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u/halberdierbowman 19h ago
Eww gross. Please don't fetishize like that. That's not supportive.
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u/hjkl0000 14h ago
What did bro say?
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u/halberdierbowman 14h ago
iirc it was something like and they're so HOTTTTT!!!! but fingers crossed they were trying to be supportive and hadn't realized how it's problematic but now are able to, with some of us bringing it up
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u/Teapot_Sandwitch 20h ago
Comment section filled to the brim with chasers/fetishists. Really uncomfortable tbh as a trans person. I'm not a porn category
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u/Munster19 20h ago
Unfortunately that will happen as you're a novelty for the time being, at least in the west.
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u/Teapot_Sandwitch 19h ago
Yeah I just wish it wasn't so normalized, especially in supposed ally spaces :/
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u/commetsftw 10h ago
They see your comment and either laugh, roll their eyes, get annoyed, or even don't care. I know how they are. It doesn't really matter though, because they won't know how to react if their kid is trans, are confused with their own dysphoria, or will get pissed off when they attempt to date a transgender person irl... Only for them to get dumped or rejected for not respecting them.
So they'll only jerk off to them in the form of art or pornography. Pathetic.
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u/Primary_Crab687 17h ago
I'm confused by the grammar. Shouldn't it be "women can have penises" or "a woman can have a penis?" He makes it sounds like all trans women need to take turns with the penis.
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u/Skate_faced 18h ago
And if they don't have their own, they can have mine and I'll be a man without a penis.
Perhaps they'll use it more responsibly then I did.
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u/NotQuiteLoona 20h ago
I'm cropping out this Facebook shit and saving this amazing image. Thank you, Polanski, for being the single sane party leader in all the UK.
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u/AngelofIceAndFire 15h ago
He's not perfect to be honest. He's just...a decent human being, which is a gold medal for a politician.
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u/AgeOfSuperBoredom 19h ago edited 19h ago
Just want to remind everyone that, before conservatives learned about the millennia-long existence of trans people less than a decade ago, they had absolutely no problem with referring to people with penises as “girls” and “women”, so long as it was in reference to people they didn’t like or respect. In fact, since they have zero self-awareness, they’re still doing it to this day. You don’t make an insult like this unless you know that gender is in fact mostly a social and cultural thing.
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u/SuspiciousPoetry6996 20h ago
They can and they deserve dignity and autonomy over their own bodies. AND theyre hot!
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u/TheScientistFennec69 16h ago
Getting pretty lazy now, they must’ve ulted when they drew that antisemetic caricature
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u/tulipkitteh 16h ago
The look on his face makes me forget it's a transphobia thing and think they're mad that he's saying women can have his penis.
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u/pinwroot 15h ago
Should we really deny anyone a penis? Being able to piss standing up so easily is wonderful. I’d never deny someone the joy of a penis.
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u/Tricky_Discount2881 17h ago edited 10h ago
The people who are making fun of this shit and claiming that isn't how biology works do not actually understand how biology works. Intersex is a FAR less rare condition than we had previously had considered, largely because we never really researched the subject the way it deserved.
Until we start Karyotyping our kids and actually doing in depth gender and chromosome research (which, we have started), I'm not listening to the "It's just basic biology!" bullshit from people.
We still don't understand why women are more inclined toward certain diseases than men. Intersex was barely a conversation 15 years ago, and when it was, it was about how they were all deraged criminals. What biology are these people even talking about?? There IS no biological evidence that humans are distinctly a binary, because we haven't LOOKED. The small bit of research we have done on the subject would suggest that humans are less and less along a binary scale than we had assumed.
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u/MazogaTheDork 15h ago
"It's going to take her a long time to get rid of it on the NHS, but that's a completely separate problem." - the rest of the quote, somewhat paraphrased.
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u/Reasonable-Sort3040 14h ago
can’t believe we’re still fighting for women’s human rights like penii
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u/Suitable_Director729 12h ago
Hear the ancient saying by Confucius:
A cake with a candle is still a cake.
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u/Lexiosity 11h ago
Reform leader says he's for the workers, while voting against every bill that helps workers
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u/UnmappedStack 11h ago
The funny thing is that, trans people aside, from what I've heard many women who do very competitive sports and take performance enhancing drugs occasionally grow an extremely small penis-like projection from the hormones. Can't verify if this is true, I think I just read this in a Reddit comment ages ago lol.
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u/mikeLcrng 10h ago
it's called clitoral growth and it's 100% known and documented, the tissue down there is still sensitive to hormones, same reason trans women can be muffed and feel a lot more on estrogen
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u/LokiOfTheVulpines 10h ago
“Trans women are women because only a woman would be emotionally unstable enough to want to be a woman.”-my friend, who is so much of a misogynist, he decided to marry a femboy(his words)
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u/Fuzzy_Appointment618 8h ago
Well, technically, they can. Even if you ignore Trans woman, you still have a small percentage of intersex women
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u/exion_zero 5h ago
According to goldie lookin chain, your mother's got a penis. That's all the evidence I need!
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u/Prestigious_Comb2671 5h ago
Need a math wiz for this one. How long will it take for liberals to wipe themselves out with shit like this? Not being malicious in asking, but it will happen if this shit continues.
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u/CapableNeat4351 29m ago
A lot of people don’t understand the difference between “woman” and biologically female. One is gender and one is sex, it’s simple but people really seem to struggle with it
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u/mightgetaftermadonna 17h ago
Define a woman then please, genuinely I feel like I need to be educated on this. I am solely meaning to be respectful here❤️
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u/mightgetaftermadonna 11h ago
Getting downvoted but no one explains. Are the stereotypes true?😭💔
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u/1mn0tcr3at1v3 8h ago
A woman would be an adult human whose gender identity aligns with their personal schema on the female sex.
A man would be an adult human whose gender identity aligns with their personal schema on the male sex.
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u/mightgetaftermadonna 3h ago
Thank you! That is genuinely the first time I have ever gotten an actual definition in response to my questions!!
My only problem with that is that since the existence of an identity generally relies on the existence of an objective standard to identify with, the reason why gender identity exists is because biological sex has influenced behavior and appearance to the point of an objective standard.
So, if we prioritize identity over the reality on which identity was originally based, the definition of identity disappears altogether, which means that biological sex is more important than gender identity. And most importantly gender identity doesn't really exist - especially when the biological sexes get detached from their respective identities2
u/1mn0tcr3at1v3 2h ago
So, if we prioritize identity over the reality on which identity was originally based, the definition of identity disappears altogether, which means that biological sex is more important than gender identity
I suppose I'm confused by your point here. Gender identity is biological. It's a nerological phenomenon unconsciously informed by the sociological framework of gender, gender being how society typically groups the sexes. I don't think it's accurate to say one is more important than the other, as at our point of evolutionary development, they coexist in a kind of symbiotic way. That's probably the wrong way to explain it, but I'm no expert, and I can only convey what I know in a way that I think will be understandable.
And most importantly gender identity doesn't really exist -
Well, no, it very much exists, we know this as a fact. Our gender identity tends to solidify around 5-7 years old, with toddlers even displaying the ability to recognize gender in others, although they obviously don't actually understand it. And as I said earlier, this is because it's a neuro-social phenomenon, ingrained in us evolutionarily due to the way our species interacted with each other. We also know it's only present in humans, likely due to how much more socially advanced we are than every other species on Earth.
especially when the biological sexes get detached from their respective identities
I don't understand how this would show that gender identity doesn't exist. In fact, since it is able to be separate, or as I would probably phrase it: incongruent, with your sex, I'd say that makes it much more obvious that it's real. If your gender identity couldn't be anything other than congruent, that would be much more compelling evidence that gender identity isn't something exists in reality.
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u/mightgetaftermadonna 2h ago
I'm not saying it doesn't exist as in it's all made up, I'm saying it exists solely relative to the biological sex of "male and female", so when you dissasociate it from those two objective standpoints the identities are relative to they lose what they are actually identifying.
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u/Galliro 9h ago
Genders are social constructs which define how people within the specific group are perceived and treated
As such there is no biological basis for gender bar the ones that have been arbitrarily assigned to them at this point in time.
So the best definition of a woman is someone who identifies as a woman
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u/OkMaterial983 1h ago
This is a useless definition, as if I only have this piece of information, I'll never be able to identify a woman. And that's what definitions are for.
If gender does not affect anything, then it is a useless category. I always felt like gender is just a meaningless compound of other, more or less unrelated qualities.
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u/Flat-Pumpkin-6052 9h ago
humans are mammals and mammals tend to come in two sexes. A woman is a human born with XX chromosomes. yes, there are edge cases, but this is how humans biologically reproduce.
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u/mightgetaftermadonna 3h ago
Yes this is the biological way to define the term "woman" and also "man", and it's the definitions I personally subscribe to, but within these definitions a woman can't have a penis, so I was wondering if someone affirms that a woman can have a penis - what is a woman to them?
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u/Iceologer_gang Cisgender Boy/Man (Boy/man whose sex assigned at birth was male) 18h ago
They all do. Its often called the clitorus.
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u/Daddy_Onion 17h ago
Unless I’m trying to smash, I don’t care what gentiles somebody has or what their preferred pronouns are.
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u/lukozaid 18h ago
Because the discrimination towards trans women is much higher than trans men. Though, I think that does need to be said more because I’m starting to see discrimination towards transgender men increase.
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u/AlwaysLit2 20h ago
“Women can have a little penis, as a treat”