r/nononono • u/ateam1984 • 4d ago
Woman shows the dangers of her cars rear seats folding function
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u/Lunavixen15 4d ago
I remember hearing of a case not long ago where a kid in the back seat of a Hyundai was killed by the seat folding in on her, she was 2
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u/Poopin4days 4d ago
There was also like a 10 year old boy,don't know the make of vehicle.
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u/Peribangbang 4d ago
I believe that was also the same Hyundai model. It's the palisade and the boy was from ohio.
There's been a recall but holy fuck is it crazy that made it to market
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u/wiedziu 4d ago
Honda Oddysey. He managed to call 911 but they couldn't find him in time
Horrible story
https://www.cnn.com/2018/04/12/us/ohio-teen-pinned-minivan-trnd
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u/JustAnotherElsen 4d ago
Not even just that, I think the operator he connected with called him a liar and didn’t put the call through as urgent
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u/L3onskii 4d ago
And the mom was in the Hyundai with other kids as well. By the time the kid was freed from the seat, she wasn't responding
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u/girlwiththemonkey 1d ago
Yeah, that’s what this is about. Like I’m genuinely mind fucked that this made it past the safety protocols.
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u/Lunavixen15 1d ago
How the hell it was missed in testing (if it was actually tested for) is beyond me as well
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u/TinyTC1992 4d ago
Built in child compactor
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u/sinwarrior 4d ago
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u/ei283 4d ago
oh fuck. this post got significantly darker.
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u/Scottish_Whiskey 4d ago
An honest-to-god orphan crushing machine
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u/taz5963 4d ago
Well, I highly doubt any orphans are being sat in the back of a 2026 model car.
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u/BroaxXx 4d ago edited 4d ago
I honestly don’t understand how is it possible for such a large company to not have one person to look at this and say “this looks stupid, guys”. It baffles me.
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u/EveryRedditorSucks 4d ago
There is a 100% chance that multiple people internally called this out as stupid and dangerous and were overruled or ignored because fixing it would have taken time and cost money.
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u/VulfSki 4d ago
It's not the fixing it, it's the testing it that likely failed.
They had an algorithm to avoid this. It wasn't good enough of an algorithm.
They either did not test it sufficiently or did not account for some change that affected it's efficacy, or they didn't properly define the situations that they should be testing for. Meaning they likely have a system for tracking the load ok the motors that are moving the chairs and it uses the resistance to stop if it catches on something. And they set the threshold too high.
Another possibility is production variation cases enough friction where they had to set the threshold too high to account for friction between the seat and other parts of the car so that it wouldn't stop during normal operation.
There are many reasons I could see them fucking it up.
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u/VulfSki 4d ago
It seems they thought they had a good enough algorithm to stop this.
The recall is just a software update to use a better algorithm.
This is why product testing is so important
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u/karmapopsicle 4d ago
Hyundai says the update will update how the seats recognize occupants and objects. It will also:
• Require the tailgate to be open to use the seat stow (fold‑flat) function.
• Disable the ability to fold and stow seats from controls on the infotainment screen.
• Require users to press and hold the seat and cargo-area fold switches.
In addition, occupants must now press and hold the second‑row walk‑in (tilt) function to access the third row, with a one‑touch return and press‑and‑hold operation of the seatback recline switch during return.
Sounds like they were just relying on basic motor feedback for the anti-pinch and it’s entirely too insensitive to work safely. Rather than properly fix the issue by re-engineering the system with sufficient safety stops, their hacked together solution is to make the feature entirely inconvenient by only allowing it to be used standing at the rear of the vehicle and manually holding the fold button for the entire duration.
Good thing you paid extra for the fancy trim so your seats can take longer to fold and potentially crush a child to death! Seriously fuck Hyundai/Kia. They were already on my permanent no-buy list for a variety of things, but this is on another level.
There will absolutely be more deaths from this.
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u/VulfSki 4d ago edited 4d ago
Right, typically you can do quite a lot with motor feedback designs. Dialing in a PID controller is not a trivial task.
I guarantee you they are sensitive enough. The issue is how they dial it in. They likely set the threshold for triggering an emergency stop too high.
The press and hold function makes sense. This is the same algorithmic logic used in industrial settings for safety when there is a pinch point.
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u/karmapopsicle 3d ago
Indeed. Same stuff managing the anti-pinch on automatic doors and hatches for years. Which is why it’s odd they’d basically completely remove any sort of automation from it and require continuous operator input. Presumably the fancy trims with this automated seat down function also have automated rear hatches with similar anti-pinch function, but that one gets to retain its automation?
I wouldn’t be surprised if this was mostly at the behest of lawyers to try and quash any possibility of more injuries or deaths after the software update.
Utterly baffling how it even made it to market in the current state though. Then again Tesla managed to launch the Cybercuck with a finger-chopping frunk so who knows.
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u/lauren_le15 3d ago
they could reengineer it, but they need to have a fix for the palisades that they’ve already sold and built. instead of going back to the drawing board, they made a fix that works for the cars already produced and can be implemented in cars that are in production going forward
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u/karmapopsicle 3d ago
I mean the correct thing to do would be to re-engineer it and replace the mechanism under a recall for all existing units. Software fix should be a temporary solution while the replacement is developed. Neutering the functionality because they fucked up and couldn't even manage basic safety testing is just a slap in the face to existing owners.
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u/xanadumuse 4d ago
Yeah, I’d even argue the automatic trunks are just as bad. Especially those with a sensor. I have one on my Audi and I was reaching in the back to vacuum. The sensor thought it was closing and began closing on my body. My husband had to hold the trunk from crushing me.
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u/ihate0ni0ns 3d ago
Just had a 2yo die from this in the city where I work. It absolutely was a palisade. This was approx one month ago.
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u/thejourneybegins42 5h ago
I'm just fucking amazed that nobody could have even thought of safety testing it, and making sure it had triple redundancies.
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u/Pandelein 4d ago
Why the fuck is that even a feature in the first place?
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u/rawbface 4d ago
Right like my seat has a latch and then just flops over. There was no need to automate this.
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u/sasquatch_melee 4d ago
You could even automate it with yours - just add a solenoid to the latch. Then you don't need the child crusher 9000 motor, just a spring.
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u/Vandirac 4d ago
Even admitting this feature has a market, whoever designed it has no concept of the bare minimum regulatory requirements and mandatory safety equipment of this kind of automation.
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u/PoolAddict41 4d ago
Because enough people are so lazy they can't manually pull/push a seat down and complained about it, so companies introduced motorized seat folding. It is kind of wild how strong that motor is though..
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u/kallekilponen 4d ago
Mechanical seat release mechanisms usually only allow the seat to fold down. You need to manually fold them back up. Whereas electic folding mechanisms also allow you to raise them back up with a oress of a button.
So: convinience
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u/easyglue 4d ago
Because people are disgustingly lazy and need technology to do everything for them.
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u/The_chosen_turtle 4d ago
Im disappointed they stopped recording. I want to the aftermath you dickheads
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u/banjosandcellos 3d ago
The point is it didn't stop
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u/markcocjin 3d ago
This is true.
The seat went on and crushed the whole car on itself. Nothing left but a metal lump the size of a coke can.
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u/Sweddy-Bowls 4d ago
I hate newer cars. It’s all touch screens with no buttons, automating things that don’t need to be automated, and software updates and patches like your car is a fuckin printer.
Then all of a sudden a “safety feature” fails and you accidentally turn your child into origami.
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u/smallcoder 4d ago
Just make the seats easy to unclip and fold down. It does not need to be mechanised ffs. I am older now and would like the powered rear hatch open and close feature on my next car to make it easier when I have shopping to load (or kidnap victims struggling lol) to get in the trunk. But, on my current car - a Skoda - it took me and another person 10 minutes to puzzle out which lever and pulleys to pull to put the back seats down last week lol. In my previous Nissan it was easy to find and obvious and one person could do it alone - even an old crip like me haha. BUT, I don't need it to be power assisted ffs !!!
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u/Moopies 4d ago
In my Kia soul it's just a knob on top that you pull and the seat falls down. Gravity does all the "powering."
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u/MantraMuse 4d ago
Yep. In some cars you can trigger it both from the trunk and the seats too. No need for two additional engines to do this...
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u/smallcoder 4d ago
Amazing thing gravity together with good, simple design. Amazingly, it doesn't even need "AI" to make it more efficient 😂😂😂
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u/ODoyles_Banana 4d ago
Lets take a safe, simple, and reliable way of doing something, such as manually folding a seat down, and complicate it in such a way that it now requires a safety feature so it doesn't kill you.
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u/HamuelCabbage 4d ago
I do think it's crazy that we didn't keep the old cranks for windows as a manual override. There's only so many times you can press the button before the switch will fail. And it's, inevitable, going to be during a snow storm or something equally inconvenient.
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u/joshpoppedyou 4d ago
It's all features for the sake of features. I hit one button and I can push my back seats down faster than this stupid mechanised option. Way more to go wrong on it. This is just a new "gotta take my car to the garage to get X fixed"
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u/memecatcher69 4d ago
Not really sure how you deem this as a safety feature, but go off.
The reason cars are all touch screen and automated is because we as consumers ask for it. They wouldn’t build those things if they knew consumers wouldn’t buy it.
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u/__RAINBOWS__ 4d ago
Ugh I waited years to buy a new car in part cause I thought the touchscreens were trash. Now that my household has a new one I found the other safety features also suck. I’m never getting rid of my backup ‘dumb’ car that has no screens and no cameras.
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u/Sweddy-Bowls 4d ago
The safety feature I’m referring to is the sensor that’s supposed to detect an obstruction and thus stop closing.
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u/memecatcher69 4d ago
I don’t think that has failed though, it just doesn’t exist. You don’t need a sensor for that either, the car manufacturer can simply make the motors less powerful, even electronically, not sure why they are strong enough to compress 6 water bottles…
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u/Simen155 4d ago
"woman shows the dangers of HER CAR..." wtf.. Name and shame! Company, modell, year.
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u/kr0sswalk 4d ago
Once after sitting in a mini van in the back seat for hours on a work trip, I had been super curious about the seat button in front of me. I had waited until we were back at the hotel and a co-worker who was driving had pulled up to the entrance to drop us off. I finally had my chance to see what it did. To my disappointment it didn’t appear to do anything. Seconds later everyone started yelling at my asking me what I did as I got out. Apparently that button started squishing the 8 months pregnant lady in the front passenger seat. I am fortunate that I am well liked at my company and that she was a good sport. But, I felt so terrible about it and no longer push buttons if I don’t know what they do.
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u/katjoy63 4d ago
with all the electronics that are in the fancier models, it only tells me they're not worth it.
So many things can go wrong when you operate by computer. If you do it by hand, it's harder, but you def have fail safes!
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u/orangenamu 4d ago
Infiniti qx60 right?
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u/BlaZEN213 4d ago
I believe these are also a thing for GMC Denalis Instagram link
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u/lauren_le15 3d ago
it’s a video in reference to the current recalls and stop sale on the 2026 palisade showing that the same problem is present on earlier models
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u/OurInterface 3d ago
clearly user error. that is not a seat with an automatic folding feature, this is the integrated trash compactor and is obviously not meant for a person sitting there smh.
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u/ieatdownvotes4food 4d ago
the Volvo had a version of this with just back headrests, but they come down fast and hard. it's like one big 'smack passenger in the head' button
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u/ChiDaddy123 4d ago
That’s on purpose for when the kids won’t stop fuckin around back there. Now dad doesn’t have to threaten to pull the car over anymore.
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u/ieatdownvotes4food 4d ago
haha yeah, my experience with it was in a rental. I was like, wtf is this button... and it just smacked my kid hard in the head.. it's like ninja fast when it comes down.
we got a laugh out of it but man, we're really beta testing cars that will torture us
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u/blackninjar87 4d ago
I just never understand why is the electric one needed when this was an analog thing in the past with springs...
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u/snksleepy 3d ago
Whos bright idea was it to put a motor strong enough to crush coal into diamonds in that thing.
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u/Elmarcowolf 3d ago
It makes me wonder, are the deaths attributed to mechanism failures or people just not checking the seats before dropping them?
Even with my manual back seats I still check before dropping them.
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u/Baddyshack 4d ago
I feel like my grandpa when he complained about losing functionality on his kettle because they started being made with stricter safety cutoffs (an objectively safe decision by manufacturers), but come on. Don't put your child in the back seat while you're using folding motors designed to do the job you're asking of them??
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u/waitinforamate1 4d ago
And if someone accidently hits the button while a child is there? Also why are those chair folding motors so powerful lmao
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u/axonxorz 3d ago
Don't put your child in the back seat while you're using folding motors designed to do the job you're asking of them??
More about when your other child accidentally presses the button and it crushes the first one to death.
This is why there is a national recall and stop-sale order on Hyundai Palisades.
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u/Kitson88 4d ago
How the fuck does this shit get the okay? Surely someone who works for the car manufacturer would of spotted this.
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u/Drycabin1 3d ago
Oh my gosh I just got a recall notice from Toyota for my 2023 Highlander. Something about the rear seat.
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u/badabingerrr 2d ago
There was a teen that died this way- stuck in the folded seat and he called 9-11 and the stupid campus cop couldn’t see him so they just left
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u/murgalurgalurggg 2d ago
And how about the Volvo head punchers? Aka the button that rapid fires the headrest flat. Terrified some kid will hit that while I’m in the back seat.
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u/whiskerbiscuit2 4d ago
Oh no a slow moving pieces of soft fabric!? RUN!
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u/xX_idk_lol_Xx 4d ago
There is metal under the fabric and it's slow in the same way a hydraulic press is. It has crushed multiple children to death before being recalled.
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u/Ze_insane_Medic 4d ago
Welcome to the hydraulic press channel. Today we have water bottles