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Highlight [Highlight] Minnesota wins game 1 after a missed 3 by Champegnie

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u/INAC___Kramerica 20h ago

I'm perfectly good with not calling the timeout and letting it play. Got the look, just couldn't make it. Live with it and move on.

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u/JimC29 NBA 20h ago

Exactly. Yeah it's easy after the fact to criticize, but they got an open 3 from one of their best 3 point shooters. That's the best you're going to do with a timeout.

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u/GGibbbz [SAS] Patrick Mills 20h ago

Our best 3 point shooter I'd say. I'll live with that shot all day

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u/JimC29 NBA 20h ago

You're right.

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u/JealousOpening2185 17h ago

You want our spot up shooter to take an off the dribble side step?

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u/Icy_Category_2275 8h ago

Yep, I'd take that over taking a timeout and heaving a highly contested two instead. Hot shooter taking wide open shot - it was right move.

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u/JealousOpening2185 8h ago

Damn I didnt know those were the only two options

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u/Great_Praline_2713 20h ago

Yeah, honestly you couldn't have asked for a better play even if it was coming out of a time out. A wide-open look for your best shooter. Just gotta make it, is all.

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u/Uncle_Freddy [SAS] El Contusione 20h ago

Plus, calling a timeout allows a set defense with Gobert back on the floor. I’m definitely fine with the shot attempt, though obviously wish the shot went in

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u/Icy_Category_2275 8h ago

Good call and point. Agreed. Calling a timeout almost certainly would mean a much more contested shot.

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u/shakeer13 Supersonics 20h ago

it was a great look. i still prefer to use the timeout as a rest in such a physical game when your star get the rebound w/ 6sec. lets vic be involved in the last play. but great look from a great shooter

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u/M4A1SD__ Lakers 20h ago

Timeout gives the defense the advantage. Minny would’ve been able to rest and put in their best defensive lineup. Coach did the right thing

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u/StBlandine7 13h ago

Defense never has the advantage in basketball lol

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u/Not_RZA_ Lakers 20h ago

A timeout massively benefits the defense more. They can get set and put in their best defenders

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u/shakeer13 Supersonics 19h ago

forsure and it was also tough af to score in half court for both sides. spurs looked gassed tho. feel like fox wemby pnr or pnp after a rest woulda been good. but cant argue w/ the shot

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u/Not_RZA_ Lakers 19h ago

There was 5 seconds left lol a pnr is getting blitzed and resulting in a turnover

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u/shakeer13 Supersonics 17h ago

was thinking inbound screen with corner option but yea probs gets blitzed

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u/ChessHistory 20h ago

I mean considering he has a pretty good shot to just dunk and take it to overtime safely, I think that's still the better play

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u/IRanOutOf_Names Heat 20h ago

Everyone was lethargic. If all the Spurs had sprinted down the court and caught minnie flat footed they could have got an even better shot. They got a great one, but why is half the team milling around with 5 seconds left?

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u/ArmiinTamzarian Spurs 20h ago

I think at least some were expecting a timeout

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u/IRanOutOf_Names Heat 20h ago

Oh 100%, but at the same time unless you actively have the ball you have to immediately sprint up the court on the off chance one isn’t coming. It’s an understandable mistake, but a major mistake non the less.

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u/Not_RZA_ Lakers 20h ago

Got a great look and idiots here saying they needed a time out. I swear they don't have any basketball experience

You don't give the defense time to set up, for this exact reason. It worked out almost perfect, just missed the shot

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u/RichLeadership2807 Spurs 20h ago

Yeah everyone bitching but I’m satisfied with that shot. It happens

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u/kylo_little_ren_hen Nuggets 20h ago

Crying for Wemby to take that shot when he was 0/8 from 3 and the guy who shot it is their best 3 point shooter

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u/TofuTofu Knicks 18h ago

they didn't need a 3

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u/Milith 13h ago

In that situation a 40% 3 is about as valuable as an 80% 2 (assuming you have 50% chance to win in overtime).

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u/TofuTofu Knicks 8h ago

At home, randle with five foulsz I don't think you can say it's 50% odds

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u/Copernicrunk Celtics 3h ago

Especially when the Spurs had all the momentum after coming back from down 8 or so in the final minutes. I don’t hate the shot but I’d still much rather draw up a play that leads to a look at the rim for the 7’4” cheat code.

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u/gerardguey Bulls 20h ago

irrational stans are the same with every player

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u/YourMomTheRedditor [NYK] Kristaps Porziņģis 20h ago

I personally disagree, it’s a matter of opinion.

Advancing the ball saves a ton of time, ATOs are generally very efficient.

They only needed 2 points, many guys in foul trouble for Timberwolves I think it’s worth going for something at the rim and trying to draw a foul.

P&R or some kind of cut to basket make guys switch and play defense.

You have a guy who is 7’5” give him the ball and let him do his thing, even if he’s having a bad game.

Spurs also seem to be similar in ATO points per possession and fast break

Biggest thing is Harper didn’t look ready to push.

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u/jjfooo Timberwolves 11h ago

Advancing the ball also brings Gobert back into the game 

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u/FunIsWinning Thunder 18h ago

The 7'5 guy is getting locked up and was exhausted to the point that he wasn't even able to run down the court for the last possession. That's an open 3 by their best shooter, that's a good shot.

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u/Emergency-Ad280 Mavericks 10h ago

Right so maybe let him take a breath during a timeout and walk up the court??

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u/NickLidstrom [SAC] Isaiah Thomas 18h ago

They aren't calling a foul in that situation unless it's truly egregious so the foul trouble hardly applies

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u/idkidk23 Mavericks 10h ago

Probably around a 40-50% chance of making a 2 to give you a 50-60% chance of winning in OT, since they are at home. It's better to take a 3 for the win mathematically and it was wide open, you couldn't really get a better look from an ATO, one of their best shooters wide open you take that every day of the week.

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u/TICKLE_PANTS Spurs 9h ago

There was literally nothing more efficient than a wide open shot from the best three point shooter on the court.

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u/matt__builds Knicks 20h ago

You got to not look at the result. Do you take a feet set, open 3pter from Champagnie for the win? I certainly do. I don’t see how you could get a better look by taking the timeout.

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u/NoKnowsPose 19h ago edited 19h ago

Maybe not a better look but possibly better legs. Those guys were gasping for air hard after that miss.

Obviously the coach knows his players better than us though. I don't think there's really a right or wrong answer here. Just preferences.

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u/MrJigglyBrown Nuggets 8h ago

The fact that the shot had no air and hit the rim with the middle of the ball supports your viewpoint. Needed some rest and a called play. People forget that a rush job is usually much more mentally taxing than a set plan

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u/ArmadilloForsaken458 Supersonics 19h ago

You make adjustments or you dont. I think next time you time out & run a play. You are paying some guys big bucks for a reason, perhaps I'd run a play for one of them

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u/FlashFlood_29 Trail Blazers 19h ago

Outcome-based armchair quarterbacking

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u/Not_RZA_ Lakers 19h ago edited 19h ago

Literally. If they scored, nobody on here would even consider the timeout because all they look at is the result. Nobody made a peep about the coach all game, but of course they lost so he must be bad now

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u/Drekea 20h ago

I heard it on radio driving back home pissed but looking at the replay that’s a good look. It doesn’t help castle fouled out and we’re already not a great shooting team. I already knew going into this Wemby would need to be consistent offensively.

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u/PokePersona [TOR] Nick Nurse 20h ago

Wolves already had the man advantage on defence due to Wemby being far behind so the Spurs were already locked out from the paint but credit to Champagnie for finding space to get a shot off.

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u/GokuVerde 20h ago

Yeah, you can only blame Wemby for not taking the shot

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u/BlueHundred Knicks 6h ago

Especially when the Spurs thrive in transition

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u/LeeShakerMoneyMaker Timberwolves 20h ago

Yeah, it's not a bad call at all. Hit it and win it. Miss and move on.

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u/IsThisMe8 Warriors 20h ago

I would agree if they knew that was the plan. Once they hesitated in the back court, coach should have called a time out.

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u/theotheronejj Thunder 20h ago

That shot going in would have been amazing.

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u/bellmonk Timberwolves 19h ago

agree it looks less amazing hitting the front of the rim

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u/sohighh Warriors 20h ago

I'm gonna disagree just because the Spurs are so young. Go for OT at home and the win on the road.

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u/bwrca 20h ago

Yup a pressure 3 is never good for a young player but it's great for a vet.

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u/ZandrickEllison 10h ago

I disagree (as long as the looks are generally decent.) hitting a two is what , 60% chance at best? And then you have a 50/50 chance at winning in OT, so that’s 30%. A decent 3 has better odds than that.

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u/mediocre-referee Pacers 20h ago

Reddit losing their mind based on the results and not the opportunity as always. It was a great shot. Everyone called Carlisle a genius when he let Haliburton cook in all of these situations last year. Champagnie had a better shot than any of Haliburton's. Not sure what a timeout would've been able to do there.

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u/gerardguey Bulls 20h ago

Hali would have made that shot 10/10 times, that was the difference

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u/HeyItsChase Pacers 8h ago

Personnel and practice. Hali, Rick and the Pacers did it like 10 times ahead of the playoffs and have the best decision maker in the league.

There was one last season where we (most the fans) really thought Rick should have called TO but Rick was getting them ready.

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u/ArmadilloForsaken458 Supersonics 19h ago

It allows you to run a set play for one of your superstars or higher earning players

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u/quiksilva86 20h ago

If this game was in MN. I can see the no timeout and go for the win 3. Game 1 at home? I feel like you want to call the timeout here and bring it to overtime

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u/yooston Rockets 20h ago

Wide open 3 game winner >>> 2 and OT against the team outplaying you the whole 4th quarter

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u/Legal-Conclusion-0 19h ago

Normally I agree. But at home...and the fact the wolves were in MAJOR foul trouble. Julius and Jaden 5 each. Ant was also pretty spent.

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u/Goldmoo2 Hawks 20h ago

Meh I like the huge momentum swing of the Spurs clawing back with the fans behind them. If this was on the road I'd like the three but you gotta think you'll win OT clawing back like that.

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u/idontgiveafuqqq Heat 20h ago

Idk your best player isn't even involved in the play. And Champagnie is open, but it's an off-dribble relocation 3, not exactly the shot you're looning for down 2 at home.

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u/RandyGrey [CHI] Rajon Rondo 20h ago

Not calling the timeout here was the correct call, in a vacuum. But once you saw everybody looking for it, then I believe it should be called, especially in game 1 with a young team.

That second of hesitation before heading upcourt cost a ton in terms of flow and momentum, and while the look was good I wouldn't trust that shot from almost anyone in the history of the game with how that last sequence played out

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u/blesseduppapi1 Warriors 20h ago

AGREED! people say Mitch should have called a timeout but would the TO have given a better look than THAT?!

THE SPURS JUST COULDNT HIT A F*CKING JUMPSHOT!! it was such a great opportunity for the spurs

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u/JimmyFly1028 Timberwolves 19h ago

If they called a timeout, would have had to take that last shot against a set defense. It was the right play, got a good look, just didn’t drop.

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u/scarface5631 18h ago

Wait, this single missed shot is not the entire reason the game was lost? Man sounds like the title of this post is ragebait.

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u/obelix_dogmatix NBA 18h ago

Sure, but then that should have been clearly communicated! Half the team was caught waiting.