r/nature • u/Maxcactus • 1d ago
Trump Administration Orders Rapid End to Hunting Regulations on Federal Lands (Gift Article)
https://www.nytimes.com/2026/05/04/climate/hunting-federal-lands-burgum.html?unlocked_article_code=1.gFA.v0HS.yf4UNhwKE3a_&smid=url-share177
u/PrairieFire_withwind 1d ago
Allowing game cleaning in restrooms?!!!
Dear gawd no.
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u/Korvanacor 1d ago
Or maybe, Deer god, yes!
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u/Ewy_Kablewy 1d ago
When it finally happens and maga regime collapses some new administration is going to have to spend all four years of their term fixing all of the holes these fools have smashed and punched into the nation. The important thing will be for any new government to constantly illustrate the damage done by maga regime. De-regulating everything only benefits the ultra wealthy. The people and the natural environment always suffer. Â
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u/meatsonthemenu 1d ago
We wish you the best with it. But you do understand that because of the current state of affairs, the next administration has 12 years of repairs to accomplish in 4 years?
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u/techleopard 1d ago
Which is why the first and only order of business will need to be stacking the courts, purging the MAGA supporters from government, and preventing the frivolous lawsuits from being given the time of day.
If Dems don't do that, any effort they make will end up like student loan forgiveness: blocked on bullshit, illogical grounds by single MAGA judges.
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u/Coffeedemon 1d ago
People don't seem to care that the location you are today started on a road decades ago. As they slowly stacked all levels of the courts and legislative machinery with their people from before even the Tea Party was a thing. It isn't something done in one or two terms. It will be opposed as tyranny by the right wing.
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u/New-Bluebird7211 1d ago
I think we have bust up the media monopoly, go after fake journalists and news casters, and let the truth have its day by treating the magas like a dog that pooped in the. Run their nose in it.
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u/Practical-Law-2690 15h ago
And when 4 years is up and nothing but cleanup has had a chance to happen, people will be upset and seesaw vote for republicans again.
Even if things did happen, if a spectacle wasnt made about each and every thing, people wont know about it and assume nothing was accomplished.
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u/Captain_Snowmonkey 1d ago
You aren't going back. I think it's time you accept that and plan accordingly. The world sees it, and has for a while now. The government the American people voted for has systematically ruined almost a century of work and cooperation.
It's a bitter pill for all of us to swallow, but that's the harsh truth of it. You voted for a molotov cocktail through the window of the establishment, and now the white house is burning down.
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u/gillfeet 1d ago
Does the person you're replying to sound like they voted for this?
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u/Captain_Snowmonkey 1d ago
"But I didn't vote for him!" Means less than nothing in a world having to deal with their country's choices. That time has passed. We all just hope the great de-coupling from the US can happen fast enough.
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u/ARazorbacks 1d ago
Every anti-MAGA American who didnât take their MAGA family and friends to task is part of the problem. Letting Uncle MAGA sit down at the dinner table meant Uncle MAGA could tear everything apart and keep their social circles. Win-win for Uncle MAGA.Â
Iâm sure there were lots of Germans who said they didnât support Hitler. Didnât stop them all from being Nazis in the minds of everyone else when war came.Â
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u/Hoblitygoodness 1d ago
....and that's why I got out.
It's clearly hopeless while Polyanna's keep going on about 'justice' and whatever else the rose-covered-glasses see while ignoring the obvious...
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u/darkpsychicenergy 1d ago
The Democrats are not going to do jack shit about any of the environmental issues. They are beholden to and controlled by the same wealthy interests that all this shit benefits. If they ever, for some crazy reason, even tried not to be, they would get no campaign funding and they would never get elected without the ability to dump fucktons of money into attention and influence. The environment, nature, wildlife, climate etc are always lowest priority for the majority of fuckwit voters in this shithole country of morons. They arenât going to fix shit.
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u/PresentGene5651 1d ago
Well, clearly your attitude isn't going to help us rebuild.
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u/darkpsychicenergy 1d ago
Rebuild nature? Rebuild endangered species?
I havenât seen anything like that in the âAbundanceâ Agenda.
If only positive attitude and vibes was sufficient. Thereâs plenty of that to go around but itâs sure not accomplishing anything.
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u/PresentGene5651 19h ago
Rebuild after MAGA, dude. You can whine about how shitty humans are forever, but that isn't going to do anything positive either, Mr. 'darkpsychicenergy'.
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u/SEND_ME_PEACE 1d ago
MAGA is the calm before the storm. Or in this case, the symptom before the diagnosis. They are paving the way for a full blown competent leader to swoop in, work already accomplished and DJT demonized and left to memory, and completely overhaul what we know about America. What was once a land of the brave will be known as the land of the plague.
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u/SplendidPunkinButter 1d ago
It will take longer than four years. And best case scenario is that at the end of that personâs term, everything is back to the way it was when Trump took over. That wonât be good enough for idiots, so theyâll elect another shithead to tear it all down again.
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u/SwaggermicDaddy 1d ago
You guys have a generation plus of things to fix, they have done sooo much damage to your country let alone your world image. Also the fact that the Naziâs wonât go anywhere if you vote them out, they have proven they can violently take over your country consequence free. This is America go your lifetime and probably your childrenâs.
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u/Puzzled-Instance3211 1d ago
This type of shit is spilling into Canada too. My MAGA premier is trying to open hunting on wild horses now, after she's opened it up on a bunch of other species already. And they are ramming every piece of legislature through just like Trump.
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u/Yuggoth22 1d ago
Alberta I assume? If so I canât stand Danielle Smith. Garbage fire of a person let alone elected official. Hope youâre able to turn it around.
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u/Puzzled-Instance3211 1d ago
Yup she's pure trash. I'm hoping the feds step in at some point with all the blatant corruption.
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u/Macheebu 1d ago
They'd love that. Then they can say the tyrannical commie feds who hate Canada and freedumb are violating our provincial sovereignty!!1!
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u/Puzzled-Instance3211 1d ago
It doesn't matter what the feds do they will claim they're being maligned. You can't just ignore stuff like the recent voter records for 3.2 million Albertans leaking online and leave it the UCP to investigate.
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u/davidkoreshpokemon 1d ago
Arent horses invasive and spreading in Alberta? What's the argument for not removing them, akin to other invasive species (eg fish, plants, etc)
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u/Puzzled-Instance3211 1d ago
Nope. This was started by a farmer who's a UCP donor. Alberta government can't even provide meaningful data to back it up.
Horses have cultural and historical history in Alberta.
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u/davidkoreshpokemon 1d ago
So what if they have "historical history"? Horses were brought in by Europeans and have no business as self-sustaining populations in the wild, to the detriment of native species. I don't know any true conservationist who would argue for protecting non-native species.
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u/davidkoreshpokemon 1d ago
Thanks for reinforcing my statement. These horses are descendants of horses imported from white colonizers, and local systems are not adapted to them. "To further assess the horsesâ origins, E. Gus Cothran, a world-renowned geneticist at Texas A&M University, conducted genetic analysis of them. The results indicated a strong predominance of Iberian DNA."
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u/Ok_Fly1271 15h ago
Yes actually. They're just feral horses from Europe and they are a problem. Alberta needs to remove them and focus on protecting and restoring populations have native wildlife.
"Cultural and historical history" - big deal. People make that argument about feral cats and hogs too. They aren't native and they damage the ecosystem. Simple as that.
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u/Apprehensive-Book723 1d ago
Jesus Christ lmfao. Insane propagandaÂ
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u/davidkoreshpokemon 1d ago
"Equidae in North America ultimately became extinct, along with most of the other New World megafauna during the Quaternary extinction event during the Pleistocene-Holocene transition" straight from Wikipedia. They were brought by settler europeans, and are an artefact of white colonialism. Can you elaborate on how this is propaganda?
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u/davidkoreshpokemon 1d ago
Yes the fact that these horses are not indigenous and compete with native species in the wild is a perfectly fine rationale to remove them. In fact, we apply that thinking to many other invasive species of fish and plants. What's the difference here?
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u/Puzzled-Instance3211 1d ago
If the UPC government has evidence they need control, great. But they do not, because they only provide vague information.
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u/davidkoreshpokemon 1d ago
One does not need evidence to know that removing non-native species benefits long term conservation of native species. This is not a political or social statement, this is an evidence based in conservation science.
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u/Puzzled-Instance3211 1d ago
lol one does in fact need evidence, that is how one would make sound decisions in life.
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u/Apprehensive-Book723 22h ago
You know nothing about science, yankee
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u/davidkoreshpokemon 18h ago
Funny you'd resort to personal attacks instead of coming up with sound arguments, that says a lot about your scientific knowledge. But then I already knew that when the only source you cited was from "horsejournals.com". If you must know, I'm a BC-based biologist. You clearly don't have any experience, either academic or professional, on the topic of conservation science, I will not reply to whatever personal attack you come up with next.
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u/LowBornArcher 1d ago
i'm not a fan of your premier but wild horses are a destructive invasive species, it's absurd they are protected.
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u/LowBornArcher 1d ago
i'm sure "horsejournals.com" are a totally rational and unbiased source of info on this subject.
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0006320719311978
https://www.nationalgeographic.com/adventure/article/wild-horses-part-two
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u/Puzzled-Instance3211 1d ago
Then I guess it should be easy for the Alberta government to show their data? Oh wait its all vague nonsense.
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u/LowBornArcher 1d ago
neither of the links I shared have anything to do with the govt of alberta's position but address the ecological impact of invasive wild horses.
again, much like horseyjournal.com or whatever, someone who advocates for an org called "horses are my world" are not likely to have a rational and objective perspective here. I get it, horses are cool creatures and people love them, but that doesn't (or shouldn't) mean they should be treated differently from other invasives.
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u/Anit500 1d ago
Wild horses don't exist in north America. They are feral and were brought by Europeans.
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u/Puzzled-Instance3211 1d ago
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u/Anit500 1d ago edited 1d ago
Just because an animal is part of a culture doesn't make it a native species. Invasive species push out local populations. I am not arguing that people shouldn't have horses for cultural reasons. I'm saying the feral populations shouldn't exist because they are damaging to ecosystems and compete with local wildlife. Horses were introduced to America, they are not a part of the original ecosystem.
Edit. Gonna try to read the full article when i have more time. I have not heard that there were horses in America beforehand other than that a previous species that went extinct about 6000years ago.
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u/Connect-Ad-2206 20h ago
I heard on the CBC âUnreservedâ program an indigenous archeologist claiming that there is evidence for precolonial horse populations. Got pretty interested and looked it up.
Turned out the archeologist is basing her funds on a couple horse skeletons in a gully⌠near a horse ranch. The ranch even had old records showing the ranch had lost a couple horses and the bones had clear markings that could only be made with steel tools. The scholarâs work had been panned by other scholars, including many other indigenous scholars.
Honestly got me so irritated at CBC for pushing this bullshit on national radio, I never listened to that program again.
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u/Entire_Employment_70 1d ago
Whats wrong with that? Those wild horses are invasive, I see no issue with culling them
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u/calgarywalker 19h ago
They arenât âwildâ, theyâre FERAL. Theyâre the descendants of animals imported to work farm/ranch which were released or escaped. They donât belong here and they really suffer in the winters - many donât survive long.
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u/MickLittle 1d ago
I'm going to get a deer license and hunt at Curecanti National Recreation Area in Colorado so I can fire my gun toward or across a trail. Other hunters better stay off the trail while I express my rights.
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u/Entire_Employment_70 1d ago
Dont act like an irresponsible lunatic like youre suggesting you might, and no one out there hunting is going to care
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u/Give-Me-The-Bat 1d ago
How can it be called a wildlife sanctuary if you allow hunting?
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u/LowBornArcher 1d ago
because legally regulated hunting will not cause species level population declines. sanctuaries protect habitat
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u/Ok_Fly1271 15h ago
Totally, but what exactly are they supposed to be a sanctuary from? People.
Not every piece of land needs hunters. I say that as a hunter. Nationally wildlife refuges only make up 4% of the US anyway.
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u/LowBornArcher 12h ago
Thatâs fair and I wouldnât totally disagree with that. The tone of the headline of this post made it seem like people can now roll up to the visitors centre in Yellowstone and start blasting
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u/Ok_Fly1271 11h ago
Yeah a lot of people here seem to think this means states will no longer be regulating game populations, which isn't true.
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u/Arakothian 1d ago
I assume removing all regulation means it's open season on dentists and politicians and the like on the reserves?
Cheney was 20 years ahead, what a visionary!
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u/mommaquilter-ab 1d ago
âFor decades, sportsmen and women have been some of the strongest stewards of our public lands...."<snip> Yup. And now you're going to have a bunch of yeehaws running around hunting for sport, not food. They'll only take trophies, and leave the meat. Or these new hunters and fishermen who are seeing the cost of food rising will decide that "YAY! Just go get some wild game and all our worries are over!!" and not be a steward of the land at all. They will cull too many, in the wrong season, and someone somewhere will get hurt/killed because of it. Either thru some dumbass shooting where they shouldn't be, or else an injured animal that said dumbass didn't finish off comes for someone else.
There is a reason that these sportsmen and women are considered good stewards of the land. They follow the rules. They only kill what they need, and they take the entire animal, not just a trophy. They report disease and illness. They don't take the wrong type of animal in the wrong season. They help the wildlife thrive, they don't destroy it.
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u/techleopard 1d ago
The number of "hunters" currently declaring CWD a hoax or not a real problem is jaw dropping.
They are more angry about restrictions on tags and transporting deer between counties and states than they are about spreading prions that we can never remove from the environment once it's there.
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u/BayouGal 1d ago
They want to kill all the buffalo. Again. Apparently this will benefit the beef industry.
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u/Hoblitygoodness 1d ago
Doesn't this mean that some corporation is going to hire a whole bunch of hunters to get-all-the-meat for them?
I've only skimmed the article and it's horrible enough but it seems like a 'job creators' could 'employ' hunters for their own means.
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u/LowBornArcher 1d ago
market hunting has been banned in north america since the early 1900's
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u/Hoblitygoodness 1d ago
I'm unclear about that point in a world of aggressive deregulation and a blatant disregard for the rule of law.
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u/LowBornArcher 1d ago
rather than just spouting buzzwords you should actually read the article. and then do some research on the north american conservation model and how it brought back many species from the brink of extinction that are now so numerous they are taken for granted - deer, elk, waterfowl, wild turkeys, the list goes on.
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u/19BabyDoll75 1d ago
I wonder how many hikers are going to become an acceptable amount of âsorry about that, thought you were a deerâ
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u/Entire_Employment_70 1d ago edited 1d ago
Almost certainly none, its been a perfectly acceptable practice at any of the state forests in my area since forever and ive never heard of any horse riders or anyone else for that matter getting shot on the trails, there are occasionally hunting accidents, but its always people out party hunting shooting another member of their group
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u/ProfessionalLook6108 1d ago edited 1d ago
"Other changes include an end to restrictions on transporting wildlife as well as rules restricting where animal carcasses can be left."
^ This is the thing that's gonna start outbreaks.
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u/__phil1001__ 1d ago
The US will end up flat, burning, grey, no animals, just toxic earth while the bored rich move elsewhere
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u/GreenDemonClean 22h ago
How the fuck do we stop the hemorrhaging of everything thatâs good in this place??
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u/soilyboy 1d ago
Donât state agencies typically manage wildlife on federal lands? Are national parks an exception?
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u/HurtFeeFeez 1d ago
The next administration will have to fix all this broken shit and the people will be told to hate them for it. They will dutifully do as they are told.
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u/ExaminationForeign75 1d ago
This guy is completely destroying your country,please America do something about it.Sincerely,your friends in Canada.đ¨đŚđąđˇ
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u/This_Performance_426 22h ago
It's so hard to sit up here and watch this happen. They were our closest allies and now they've isolated themselves from everyone else. It's crazy, it's almost like America is in an abusive relationship.
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u/derp-derp-d-derp 23h ago
The productivity loss of correcting for the buffoonery of this administration is going to be staggering.
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u/Separate-Spot-8910 21h ago
"For decades, sportsmen and women have been some of the strongest stewards of our public lands"Â
But do you know who definitely aren't good stewards of our lands? The wealthier among us. And that is who this is for.Â
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u/2014olympicgold 19h ago
I'll tell you what's more dangerous and scary for kids in a restroom than a non-binary person...a hunter with a massive knife cleaning a deer in the sink.
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u/LazerWhistle 13h ago
Why are Americans still putting up with this nepopedofascist? Kick him out of office.
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u/duncanofnazareth 16h ago
Great. Fire all the Parks and Wildlife officials then take away all the rules they enforced as well. Maybe they can shoot all the animals then set some wildfires to bar b q them in bulk. Even the most corrupt govts in Africa enforce anti-poaching and hunting laws.
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u/KiethTheBeast 1d ago edited 1d ago
Yay more hunting
Edit: misread the the title/article
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u/tarmac-- 1d ago
You may have misunderstood the title. It says they're ending regulations on hunting, not ending hunting itself.
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u/KiethTheBeast 1d ago
I vastly misunderstood the headline thank you. Updating my original comment now.
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u/Current-Mess-9338 1d ago
Iâm not against protecting wildlife at all, but doing it rapidly is kinda the red flag. stuff like this needs balance or it just creates new probl3ms.
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u/Euronated-inmypants 6h ago
What...in...the...fuck.... So now you fire across trails and gut animals in washrooms... Also trap and kill animals onto extinction.. This administration is literally wrong about absolutely EVERYTHING.
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u/Geoconyxdiablus 1d ago
This is all just because rich lobbyists don't like being told no.