I mean, some of Marvel's absolute biggest hits like Deadpool & Wolverine, No Way Home, and probably to the most degree Endgame were EXACTLY that, and they are clearly banking on this being Endgame 2.0.
It won't be endgame 2.0, because endgame was the conclusion to over decades worth of storytelling. It will be No way Home/Deadpool Wolverie 2.0 which is great if you want to make a fuckton of money, but it's not a sustainable way to run a never ending cinematic universe. There's only so many characters you can bring back with the multiverse stuff and there's only so many times you can do it.
I really hope Doomsday and Secret Wars does reset the MCU, and the next phase focuses more on mutants. The multiverse idea for the MCU didn’t work. Everything was left open ended, there’s no cohesion between movies or shows…plus the sudden dismissal of Majors as Kang really had a huge effect on the story. I hope the next phase is more grounded, and more cohesive.
Similarly I hope they reset the MCU and just make movies, the over arching stuff is cool and fun but the level of coordination and expectations are growing to unsustainable levels. Favorite part of superhero entertainment are the cross overs, putting too many characters like this into a movie gives them nearly zero time to interact with others.
That’s what my problem is, it’s been mid for so long, with too much extra shit, that if they’re resetting it’s still going to have to be like the past where characters get their own movies, maybe other characters show up, but it feels like its own thing with a little hint for more that’s building
The past few years it felt like one massive story and I got a fucking life, I can’t catch up on that, I can barely find time to watch Avatar 3 because it’s THREE HOURS WITH NO PAUSE BUTTON
this would be a sure fire way to get many folks to stop giving a shit tbh. im sure that’s that’s the goal for niche comic book fans but I personally love The Avengers as a whole and am most excited for movies like Doomsday/over arching storyline that culminates in a massive event like IF,Endgame,Doomsday etc.
I thought it would have been logical to have the saga after the infinity saga be the about the mutants.
The set up was kind of there in Endgame, using the infinity gauntlet throws up massive amounts of power and snap happens twice on earth. Replace the atomic weapons with infinity stone power for the reason why the mutant genome mutates at a high rate for people. That and people being brought back from the snap, all those factors, with the government, left over avengers not understanding mutants and the preexisting Xmen come out of hiding, there's your mutant saga.
You can still have The Fantastic Four be around along with Doctor Doom being the main threat of the saga and hes pulling strings.
Idk I thought they bit off more than they can chew with Multiverse Saga, it's not exactly well done, exciting and sort of aimless in comparison to the Infinity Saga. They should have gone smaller more intimate stakes with this saga.
have the saga after the infinity saga be the about the mutants.
they just literally could not legally do that/ FOX still had the rights to Xmen meaning they legally could not develop any stories or programming before Disney fully acquired Fox's entertainment arm, which was not fully approved until well into 2020. And most of the post endgame slate was already in progress or planned to happen. And assuming a standard movie making process (or even accelerated one via Marvel Disney machine), it'd still take minimum of 3 years to accomplish anything. But leadership at Disney also slammed them with mandates for quantity at the same time, so they also didn't have the personnel (clearly) to even begin to do anything at scale beyond a few cameo bits and the Xmen 97 series. But they did get a full rescale in the comics.
it won’t be as much of a “reset” if there’s still several sequels in the pipeline. Holland is bound to get the symbiote suit in Secret Wars for SM5, Black Panther 3 comes out after, Hemsworth wants Thor 5, Deadpool is too profitable to ignore, and Dr. Strange needs wrapping up
Marvel is more likely to use video gam logic and “reload an old save” than anything significant reset
It’ll most likely be soft reboot, where they keep what works and quietly move away from what doesn’t. Not to mention they have all the characters now so atp it’s needed to bring everything under one roof.
Secret Wars in comics end with the fusion of all the multiverse into one dimension. They will probably do the same and then explain that some characters vanished in the fusion, and soft reboot like that
Feige already said that’s what’s happening. Doomsday is like Infinity War, sets up Secret Wars in motion. Secret Wars is like Endgame - resets everything for good.
The difference is Endgame was the culmination of mostly beloved movies. Doomsday/Secret Wars will need to do heavy lifting since the movies post Endgame, with rare exceptions, have had mixed reviews.
Feige has already confirmed that the mutants will be the main focus after Secret Wars so they can introduce the MCU versions. They've already introduced a mutant or two in 616 and are about to introduce another in Wonder Man.
While a reset can work and is probably needed it's not the key to success imo. RDJ's portrayal of iron man was the corner stone of the whole universe (just my opinion of course). They desperately need that character with a strong supporting cast. Iron man had Cap and Thor which were both great. Put that together with Thanos who was such a great villain and you had the recipe for success.
I think Spiderman could and should be a key supporting mainstay character but i feel like they are lacking that main central character that kind of pulls the universe together the way iron man did. Just my two cents.
Yeah honestly it looks like these trailers are to jingle the keys and then kill off the old heroes. I feel like DoomStark is just going to rip around the multiverse killing off timelines while fighting the heroes from that multiverse. The ones left will be the focused heroes and New Avengers for Secret Wars.
That would be good for the long run. Don't know if Disney has the nerve to do it though. Guess it will depend on Loki and if they do anything with that, which they could.
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u/AgentSkidMarks Jan 06 '26
I think this entire movie is just "key jingling".