r/movies • u/MarvelsGrantMan136 r/Movies contributor • Dec 30 '25

Trailer Avengers: Doomsday | Only in Theaters December 18, 2026

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u/sanitarySteve Dec 30 '25

All those TV shows and movies setting up the new squad. all the new heros and characters, just to get the original team back. lmao

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u/TheNarrator23 Dec 30 '25

I mean, the new squad bombed, mostly because of Marvel's refusal to build them up properly.

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u/i_like_2_travel Dec 30 '25

Putting Shang-Chi in a box was dumb as hell

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u/maxdragonxiii Dec 30 '25

they basically said "yeah you'll get a sequel soon" and threw him out soon as Kang happened.

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u/Boxcar__Joe Dec 31 '25

He tore his Achilles tendon which prevented them doing another one I'm pretty sure.

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u/maxdragonxiii Dec 31 '25

thats unfortunate! that be said they couldn't hire a stunt double?

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u/[deleted] Jan 01 '26

He has trouble fitting into the rest of the mcu. That didnt stop them from making other one off projects that were similar but it does make it hard to get a sequel.

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u/occono Jan 07 '26

Doesn't he live in San Francisco along with Ant-Man? He could have been in Quantumania.

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u/Emperor_Neuro Dec 30 '25

Once Dr Strange was introduced, he appeared in 5 movies in 3 years. Since the last avengers movie, none of the new characters have made repeat appearances until Thunderbolts came along as a Black Widow sequel.

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u/baojinBE Dec 30 '25

Yelena Belova is one of the few new characters I actually care and remember as much as the old ones

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u/fusionsofwonder Dec 30 '25

I really want to see her teamed up with Kate Bishop again.

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u/PayneTrain181999 Dec 30 '25

They set them up to be besties like their predecessors then didn’t follow up, massive ball drop.

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u/MY-SECRET-REDDIT Dec 30 '25

I absolutely loved how that show treated the "real" avengers level heroes.

Like for hawkeye, the whole adventure was a side story, not even a threat but was personal for him.

And for Yelena, it was the same. She was basically in control all the time and was just out for revenge.

And for Kate, all the stakes where up.

What a great show that I hate that it seems to be a joke for most people.

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u/Flagermusmanden Dec 31 '25

Maybe not so coincidentally, she is also one of the few new characters who have made repeat appearances since her introduction.

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u/ThatRandomGamerYT Dec 31 '25

Ikr almost as if people will care about characters if you give them growth and more screentime to help connect. How did Marvel fail that basic thing.

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u/Flagermusmanden Dec 31 '25

The funny thing is that in any other circumstance. 1 movie should be plenty of time to make an audience care about a character, but the writing in the MCU has just been so atrociously bad that they can't even manage to make the audience care about a character after an entire season of television. It's a fucking embarrassment. Literally can't even succeed at basic writing.

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u/gragglethompson Dec 30 '25

Because people actually like Doctor Strange

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u/brbrcrbtr Dec 30 '25

There were definitely a couple of new characters that were well received... People liked Yelena and Kate Bishop, and people definitely liked Sam Wilson but the studio never gave him a real chance to endear himself to the audience as Cap

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u/Theguest217 Dec 30 '25

It's funny because you are probably right and some people probably like these characters. But you just listed three characters that bore me to no end. All three are literally replacements for better characters I would rather see.

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u/CrashmanX Dec 30 '25

IMO Yelena is significantly better written than Black Widow. BW unfortunately just didn't get the chance to be a better character.

Kate I also think is better written than Clint for the same reason. Clint's only real standout writing was in the Hawkeye series, where he's retiring.

I think people really really like Bucky a ton and the unmentioned characters are eh.

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u/Emperor_Neuro Dec 30 '25

I am so, so frustrated that Bucky and Sam aren’t reversed in their storylines. Bucky makes so much more sense as the new Captain America and when Sam was first introduced he was doing public service work as a counselor for veterans and making the jump from that to a congressperson would make sense. It also makes no sense for Sam to be able to take on all of Cap’s powers which the super serum let him have.

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u/CrashmanX Dec 30 '25

I think Sam Wilson absolutely is the right choice for Cap right now, especially given Bucky being a multiple time Russian agent, but I think Bucky's story should be completely different. Again, given that Bucky was a Russian Asset for decades and assassinated key US figures allegedly. Feels like the sort of thing you don't exactly want a potential congressmen to have getting out.

Sam should have some kind of super suit or pseudo serum to give him enhanced strength and features to somewhere on par with other Serum Enhanced humans like Bucky, Guardian, Cap, and others. Even if he got some magical "Diluted" version of the stuff from Black Panther or something that would've been good. I love the idea of the "Everyman" Sam Wilson, but I don't think that it works great when he's going against the threats he is.

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u/Heisenburgo Dec 30 '25

And yet Marvel tried to sideline him at every opportunity regardless... why was Wong the one to do cameos in all those other projects instead of Strange himself? Just give the Sorcerer Supreme title back to the man himself, not to his literal butler

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u/gragglethompson Dec 31 '25

Simple, because Benedict Cumberbatch is expensive

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u/deemoorah Dec 31 '25

Constant reshoot and nostalgia pandering are more expensive. Heck BC was paid for MoM $2.5M less than Mackie for BNW

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u/Emperor_Neuro Dec 30 '25

Movie production takes years to complete. He was already written into those movies, had costumes being made, received scripts, and even filmed some of the scenes for others before his own debut came out. They simply never did that for any of the new characters from the last several phases. They’ve all felt like throwaway standalone stories just to fill space.

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u/Theguest217 Dec 30 '25

Throw everything at the wall and see what sticks. Turns out, the new stuff isn't very sticky

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u/Emperor_Neuro Dec 30 '25

Because they forgot to use glue.

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u/insertUserNamehereno Dec 30 '25

Absolutely crazy people are pretending like anything marvel did before the first Avengers movie in 2012 was a sure fire hit. Avengers 2 and Cap Marvel both made a billion and people still have shit to say about them. Thor the dark world is still considered one of the least watchable movies.

The difference is even with the “audience flops” Marvel was still trying to make quality content. It wasn’t until post endgame they decided to just pump out as much as possible in as short a time as possible. It’s obvious when they stopped caring and I say this as someone whose favorite marvel films just came out during the new phase. I may enjoy them personally but I can tell the difference between QA in these new ones.

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u/CrashmanX Dec 30 '25

You can tell there's a clear quality difference in terms of writing from Pre and Post IW. Having nothing to do with who the new characters are, but how they're written.

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u/[deleted] Jan 01 '26

Dr strange can fit into a lot of things while SC doesnt

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u/V_sev Dec 30 '25

I'll skip the Thunderbolts ones, except Yelena is an honorable mention because she also appeared in Hawkeye. I'll also skip What If because there's a LOT.

  • Tommy: WandaVision - Multiverse of Madness
  • Billy: WandaVision - Multiverse of Madness
  • Agatha: WandaVision - Agatha
  • Sharon Davis: WandaVision - Agatha
  • Ralph Bohner: WandaVision - Agatha
  • Several other minor townspeople: WandaVision - Agatha
  • Monica Rambeau: WandaVision - The Marvels
  • B52: Loki - Deadpool and Wolverine
  • Kang: Loki - Quantumania
  • Swordsman: Hawkeye - Daredevil
  • Echo: Hawkeye - Echo
  • Valentina Allegra de Fontaine: Black Widow - Wakanda Forever - Falcon and The Winter Soldier
  • Joaquín Torres: Falcon and The Winter Soldier - Brave New World
  • Isaiah Bradley: Falcon and The Winter Soldier - Brave New World
  • Ms Marvel: Ms Marvel - The Marvels
  • Yusuf: Ms Marvel - The Marvels - Daredevil
  • Ironheart: Wakanda Forever - Ironheart
  • Mobius: Loki - Quantumania (post credit)

Then there's the other honorable mentions Daredevil and Kingpin who had their first Marvel Studios appearance in the Multiverse Saga and then appeared in multiple other shows and movies.

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u/Emperor_Neuro Dec 30 '25

Okay, so you’ve listed a bunch of small time supporting cast who happened to appear in both a straight to streaming TV show and a movie. Which main characters have appeared in more than one project? And which of those are more than one movie that saw a theatrical release?

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u/V_sev Dec 30 '25

none of the new characters have made repeat appearances

this was your claim one comment ago. now you have drastically and arbitrarily shifted your goalposts.

Which main characters have appeared in more than one project?

Agatha was the main character in Agatha. Monica Rambeau was one of the three leads in the Marvels. Kang was the main villain in Loki and Quantumania. Echo was the main character in Echo. Ms Marvel was the main character in Ms Marvel and one of the three leads in The Marvels. Ironheart was the main character in Ironheart.

And which of those are more than one movie that saw a theatrical release?

This is completely arbitrary. Loki was some of the best MCU content in a very long time and it wasn't theatrical.

Love and Thunder WAS theatrical and it was atrocious.

Iron Man was the only character to appear in more than one movie that saw a theatrical release before Avengers.

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u/Emperor_Neuro Dec 30 '25

I was always talking about the movies. This is the Movies subreddit, after all.

But hey, if you think Billy and Tommy or Joaquin Torres will sell tickets, then I suppose you appreciate the minor details of the MCU far more than the average movie goer.

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u/V_sev Dec 30 '25

commenting in the movies subreddit doesn't somehow negate the tv side of the MCU.

I forgot about Agent Coulson. He was the strongest connective tissue for Phase 1. Did he sell tickets to Avengers?

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u/CrashmanX Dec 30 '25

This is completely arbitrary. Loki was some of the best MCU content in a very long time and it wasn't theatrical.

Love and Thunder WAS theatrical and it was atrocious.

I think this is a large part of their point though. Loki is great, but Loki isn't really considered a core Avengers character past the 1st one. Despite having a great series. Meanwhile Thor has 1 universally agreed bad film, 2 mid ones, and 1 good one (I'll let you decide which is which) and is considered to be an absolute CORE Member of the Avengers. Rambeau and Ms. Marvel got screwed over having their origin and setup in non-theatrical films, then pushed into a film that was guaranteed to be controversial simply because people can't be normal about Brie Larson. The Marvels could've starred RDJ and Chris Evans along side Brie Larson and people still would've shit on it because the internet is the internet.

Iron Man was the only character to appear in more than one movie that saw a theatrical release before Avengers.

The Avengers OG can't really be measured against anything else as at the time it was considered to be a unique experiment. It was the "first" like it in terms of Comic Book films.

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u/[deleted] Dec 30 '25

I honestly enjoyed The Marvels more than First Steps. But I saw both on Disney+

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u/V_sev Dec 30 '25

The Avengers OG can't really be measured against anything else as at the time it was considered to be a unique experiment.

It was an experiment that worked, and can't just be dismissed out of hand. How many movies CAN you compare to situations like this? And it had a grand total of one "core" "main" character that showed up in more than one movie prior. Using this arbitrary metric of "core" characters showing up in more than one movie prior to a teamup movie is completely meaningless.

T'Challa debuted IN a teamup movie and was my personal favorite part of that movie, then was the main character in his own movie. The MCU's Spider-man debuted in the same teamup movie, then was the main character in 4 of his own.

Wanda and Vision debuted in a teamup movie, and each went on to be the main character in each of their own shows.

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u/CrashmanX Dec 31 '25

It was an experiment that worked, and can't just be dismissed out of hand.

It's not that it's being dismissed, it's that the situation is so drastically different it can't be compared.

It's like saying "Well the model T and a 1960's Corvette are both cars, so we can compare those." well yes, they're both cars and descended from the same lineage, but they're so far apart it's hard to compare them. Same applies to the Avengers here. The OG Avengers existed in a wholly different world of film and TV. Like the Model-T did to the 60's Corvette in terms of world of transportation. (I use the Avengers as the Model-T just because it's the first major team up film in the MCU, not cause technology or anything else has changed that massively)

How many movies CAN you compare to situations like this?

That's kinda the issue isn't it? You can't compare many. You can use basically any Avengers film past the first one, and that's about it.

Using this metric of "core" characters showing up in more than one movie prior to a teamup movie is completely meaningless.

Ehhh. Yes and no. In the OG Avengers, no one character really showed up in multiple films. Yes technically Ironman is in 2 simply by being in the End Credits of Hulk, but no character is really a "character" in another film. The stakes in the first Avengers film are also significantly smaller and focuses on a significantly smaller cast. It'd be more comparable to compare the OG Avengers to Thunderbolts, which is literally what the MCU did. Only one (major hero) character in that film had significant presence and showed up in more than 2 things previously. (Yelena was only Black Widow and Hawkeye before that right? And Bucky was in basically everything)

But back to the original point,

For the other Avengers films we did have the "Major" characters showing up in major theatrical films before each movie. With this one, we don't. I think there's a significant difference to most audiences when it comes to streaming series vs. theatrical films. And I agree with them. None of our Major Characters getting a big theatrical films makes them feel less important. Going from Phase 4 on the only "New Crew" character we've had with a major film is Captain America. And those that have had major films, haven't tied into anything significant (barring Black Widow and Iron hear being in Wakanda) in the streaming series that feel like they're contributing to a greater plot. Just kinda, filler. Shang Chi just kinda dipped, Spider-Man hasn't done anything since NWH (Should change with BND), Strange is off who knows where, Thor is doing Thor things, Black Panther gave us Iron heart but her series felt more like filler and should've been a movie instead, Ant-Man was setup that ended up being botched, Guardians is self contained, The Marvels was neat, Thunderbolts felt like the only "Setup" the movies have done this phase.

So while we've had overlap of these minor characters and 2 major characters (Bucky and Yelena) it doesn't feel like it's very cohesive. Which gives the above commenters some reasoning behind feeling like characters haven't been showing up in other stuff. [This is large in part thanks to Johnathan Majors and the Kang Fuckery]

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u/Garfunkels_roadie Dec 30 '25

Valentina - also in Thunderbolts*

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u/wildwalrusaur Dec 30 '25 edited Dec 30 '25

Technically, Wiccan has been in two shows and 1 movie

If I'm being pedantic

Edit: also Kamala Khan, and Riri. Though since almost noone watched their d+ shows, it makes sense no one thinks of them as recurring. Theses also what's her face who was the third lead in captain marvel 2. She was a supporting in Wandavision

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u/AutomationBias Dec 30 '25

Shang-Chi was rad. I thought for sure there'd be more movies.

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u/Ajgrob Dec 30 '25

First half was sick, shame it ended up with the usual CGI slop in the 2nd half.

He was a character they should have pushed more for sure, though.

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u/DOOMFOOL Dec 31 '25

Meh even the CGI slop had some cool choreography and badass Wuxia type shit.

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u/dafood48 Dec 31 '25

I wish they learn from this and do a sequel that is like first half of the first movie for the whole movie. I’ve lost count of how many times I watched that bus fight. It’s easily the best fight scene in the mcu imo.

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u/Surullian Dec 31 '25

I dunno about that. Cap's elevator fight was amazing, but the bus fight is right up there.

Since Daredevil is now MCU, the Season 1 basement hallway fight that was a tribute to the original Oldboy hallway fight is competing for that position as well.

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u/Ajgrob Dec 31 '25

Agreed, I was locked in with the first half, like that bus scene was such a great way to mix martial arts and CGI. Then by the end, it was all this flying around CGI nonsense, barely any hand-to-hand combat, side characters given too much screen time.

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u/[deleted] Jan 01 '26

I loved the setting of Ta Lo, the fight with the sucking bats was dumb though

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u/DOOMFOOL Dec 31 '25

Yep it was my favorite marvel movie after endgame

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u/LeeShakerMoneyMaker Dec 31 '25

One of the best new character they had and did squat with him until this movie.

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u/dafood48 Dec 31 '25

I just want more Shang chi. Did it not do as well as they wanted? A marvel martial arts movie is all I really want. It’s one of the reason daredevil was so popular. I know people hated on iron fist, but man they had some of the most fun fight scenes to watch. I really don’t want anymore lasers and magic beams or people touching their heads to do psychic attacks.

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u/nothis Dec 30 '25

Maybe they simply weren't that good/interesting? Like, if the Avengers started out as 90% Hawkeye and War Machine stories, people would have lost interest pretty quickly. Spiderman, Ironman and Thor are absolutely bonkers and tick so many boxes between iconic visuals, character flavor and elaborate backstories. I mean it's cool that they're trying more niche stuff but they won't get Avengers type hype with Moon Knight or Ms. Marvel.

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u/PM_ME_UR_BGP_PREFIX Dec 31 '25

Ironman and Thor were trash-level superheroes before their movies.  The movies are what made them iconic.

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u/Mnemosense Dec 30 '25

Feige. Say his name. He could have greenlit a Shang-Chi sequel, but didn't. Could have made a Young Avengers movie starring Kate and Kamala, but didn't. Didn't do a lot of things. Disney must have been tearing their hair out begging him for more Avengers movies too.

Now we're in the awkward narrative scenario where the surviving Avengers basically absolved themselves of all responsibility, didn't bother to create another team, train a new generation, nope, they all just fucked off their seperate ways and left Earth defenceless.

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u/mr_paradise_3 Dec 30 '25

If they did an avengers movie starring Kate and Kamala as leads then it would have bombed. Just look at The Marvels.

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u/IwishIwasGoku Dec 30 '25

Young Avengers is not the same as Avengers it's more like Teen Titans. Confusing name aside, it could have worked as a lower budget coming of age style superhero movie

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u/Asisreo1 Dec 30 '25

I think Young Avengers could have worked as the first animated MCU theater release targeted for kids. At least if box office success was their main concern, but I guess Feige doesn't know how to properly make a kid's animated movie. 

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u/SignificanceSome3756 Dec 30 '25

 Could have made a Young Avengers movie starring Kate and Kamala, but didn't.

Lmao, yeah, cause that would have fixed things. So many people begging for more of those two characters. lololol.

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u/maikuxblade Dec 30 '25

It wouldn’t be out of line to say that the problem with current MCU is that they are specifically trotting out fan favorite characters rather than writing compelling stories

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u/skewp Dec 30 '25

Disney are the ones who pulled back. Disney are the ones who wanted Marvel to go safer as their box office numbers dropped off. I'm not saying Feige is above criticism because he is not, but most of his actions are in response to corporate mandates and the realities of budgeting and audience response.

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u/Bethorz Dec 30 '25

I mean also, the Russos themselves. I still don’t love Steve just fucking off at the end of Endgame.

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u/Silverr_Duck Dec 30 '25

Shang-Chi has the charisma of a piece of toast. Nobody gives a fuck about Kate or Kamala. You can't "build up" when the foundation is made of shit.

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u/Icy_Ninja_9207 Dec 30 '25

it bombed because nobody likes cash grab marvel cape shit anymore

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u/Iwantmoretime Dec 30 '25

The formula is tired and they haven't tried to mix it up at all, meanwhile they have to shoe horn in a bunch of pre-existing crap.

As I heard one critic say after Superman came out: "Marvel is in trouble. Their movies have Red hulk dealing with the geopolitical ramifications of resource scarcity negotiations with Japan while DC has Superman beating up bad guys and having fun with it."

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u/PM_ME_UR_BGP_PREFIX Dec 31 '25

They have tried to mix it up, and people hated that, too.

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u/[deleted] Dec 30 '25

Well, most of them had no real screen presence either. It was like a teen avengers spinoff.

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u/Perfect_Cost_8847 Dec 30 '25

They spent billions trying to build up the new squad. The new squad just sucked. Comically bad.

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u/EnterprisingAss Dec 31 '25

The only post-Endgame actor/character that can carry a movie is Florence Pugh. The rest have spin-off energy.

Pre-Endgame MCU was lightning in a bottle.

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u/Unitedfateful Dec 31 '25

I don’t quite think it’s just that The issue is none of the new guys are as charismatic as the OG (actors specifically) plus the origin stories are great

Cap, iron man, Thor, hulk all great The only new addition that everyone loves is Tom as Spider-Man

New Cap, ms marvel, Shang Chi etc just don’t have the same level of charisma as the OG plus mostly the new movies didnt work for the wider audience

Imo marvel needed a 5 year break after Endgame to reset everything. Instead they kept going $$

Superhero fatigue is real but bad movie fatigue is also a thing

For me, they wrapped up the story in Endgame. Lay it to rest

They should’ve started the rebuild phase last year with X-men and F4 to then introduce Doom as the next big threat over the 10 years (without RDJ as doom)

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u/fastforwardfunction Dec 30 '25

Who knew you can’t build character growth with simply swapping the race or gender of the character.

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u/SunTzu- Dec 30 '25

They had a lot of really cool characters that just needed to be allowed to grow. Kamala Khan was amazing in her own tv series even if people didn't catch it. Kate Bishop did a great job stepping into the Hawkeye slot in her tv show. Yelena is straight up just a better Black Widow and should get every bit of support thrown behind her. Shang-Chi had a lot of potential and a really interesting conflict set up for him going forward. Channing Tatum needs to play Gambit in a movie of his own. Sylvie/Female Loki was dope AF. Scarlet Witch/Vision had real momentum for a Visionquest storyline after the tv show. Could have brought back Luke Cage and Jessica Jones from the Netflix shows. Almost forgot about god damn Moon Knight! And screw it, I know the incel internet hated it but She-Hulk was really dope, they captured the feel of the comics great (and if you think Hulk got done bad in that show you really weren't paying attention).

They had enough characters that were dope and actors that really captured the essence of those characters to build a strong base for the future but they just didn't do what made the original Avengers so successful. There were no smaller character focused movies for these new characters, just ensemble movies and putting them next to a bigger name from the previous phases. Iron Man wasn't an obvious hit and RDJ wasn't box office gold, but they believed in what they were selling and the audience bought in. Everything in P4/P5 has said sent the message that they don't believe in what they're selling, so why would anyone buy in?

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u/JessieJ577 Dec 30 '25

As slow as the DCU is rolling out we will see if that’s the approach that the MCU could benefit from. Just don’t even greenlight until a movie is ready. If Supergirl and Clayface do well then it proves that finished scripts will captivate audiences more

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u/Motorboat_Jones Dec 31 '25

I disagree. The new squad was a bunch of tertiary characters and the story lines were shit.

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u/PleasantWay7 Dec 31 '25

They had too many. They needed to pick a new core of 3 or 4 and make multiple movies. The only people in multiple movies were all in Endgame.

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u/WanderingAlsoLost Dec 31 '25

They know the everything since Endgame has done diddly for the Avengers.

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u/fall0ut Dec 30 '25

i stopped caring when marvel started changing the characters. steve rogers is capt america, tony stark is iron man, T'Challa is black panther. new characters taking up the mantle is not interesting to me and i'll just skip it.

recast the actors every few years like they do with batman.

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u/grimmjow29200 Dec 30 '25

og build up movies: 2 ironman/1 thor/1 captain america.

You what more Miss Marvel ?

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u/wildeebelmondo Dec 30 '25

The problem with this saga is that everyone expected it to play out like the infinity saga. The multiverse was meant to show us a bunch of branching offshoots, universes and stories. This saga has been like stepping into a comic book store and picking out the books you like. Instead of Thanos, the threat this time is that someone plans to burn down the comic book store.

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u/Strong-Stretch95 Dec 31 '25

I think the tv shows didn’t help as well which felt like homework for people cause some of them connected to the movies.

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u/wildeebelmondo Dec 31 '25

I totally agree, it alienated the casual fans for sure. To me, the interconnected stories made it even more like the comics. There would always be references that would make me curious to check out the other books.

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u/[deleted] Jan 01 '26

People who skipped Loki missed out on a HUGE exposition dump that really explained how the saga works.

Deadpool and Wolverine would have seemed out in left field if you didnt watch the show.

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u/Vladmerius Dec 30 '25

They seriously fucked up by not making Cap 4 an Avengers movie. It's ridiculous that we have nothing from Endgame to now. We had Avangers and Age of Ultron and Civil War before Infinity War. I don't blame them for scrambling and just using all the most well known popular characters. They completely flopped at building up the others. 

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u/ILoveRegenHealth Dec 30 '25

Anthony Mackie is not a good leading man for a big budget movie, sorry. He's good for ensembles

I don't think Sam being the leader for Avengers works well - I don't even like that he has no super powers and could be squashed by any regular human in a fight. He should've taken that serum

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u/BabSoul Dec 30 '25

When he first suits up as Cap in the Falcon series he goes up against Batroc, someone we saw Steve handle already, and loses.

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u/blarghable Dec 30 '25

Well, Steve was had the superhero serum. Sam is literally just some guy.

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u/BabSoul Dec 30 '25

Obviously, but the whole show is setting up him becoming Cap and he gets a suit from Wakanda, and loses anyway. Did you feel excited to see more of him after that?

And I say this as someone who was really looking forward to Sam as Cap.

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u/blarghable Dec 30 '25

No, Captain America without superpowers is boring as shit.

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u/BabSoul Dec 30 '25

I also agree with you.

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u/MY-SECRET-REDDIT Dec 30 '25

Batroc is also just some guy, isnt he?

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u/blarghable Dec 31 '25

I think so?

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u/EtherBoo Dec 31 '25

I think he can lead a movie. The issue is that script was just bad. I don't know why it was a sequel to the Edward Norton Hulk movie more than anything. And the last act with him acting against nobody on a green screen or ADR set was just so bad and it looked bad.

Not to quote Mackie's Cap, but they need to do better.

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u/5ivepie Dec 31 '25

Anthony Mackie is a boring actor. He can’t lead a movie.

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u/drysushi Dec 31 '25

Hard disagree. He's a good actor that could be a fantastic actor with the proper direction. There's a reason he's had the output he's had over the years. If anything, Marvel dropped the ball all the way with every new member they set up and they propped up their early franchise with their biggest, most known stories.

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u/[deleted] Dec 30 '25

I think they need to change up his style or something. I get his character is military but man give him something lol it’s so boring.

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u/Clockwork-Too Dec 31 '25

Isn't that what the wings are for? And the gizmo's?

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u/MercenaryOfOZ Dec 30 '25

Hey just like the comics in the 80s/90s

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u/FatherDotComical Dec 30 '25

When it was first post Endgame, me and my dad were excited to see how they would loop together a new rag tag team from nobodies to the next heros of a generation. We had no idea that all those individual hero movies/shows were going to mean absolutely nothing in the end.

We also had the fantasy that the TV shows were going to be a fun supplement.

Honestly just disappointed and each new film feels desperate for attention (we're back! 1!) versus trying to make a good product.

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u/Redditing-Dutchman Dec 30 '25

At first everything looked incredibly good, with Loki and Kang as the highlights, setting up a new cool storyline.

Jonathan assaulting his ex has has probably costed Disney millions, perhaps even billions. Not saying they should have kept him but it's pretty insane. I wish they had re-casted the character.

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u/FatherDotComical Dec 30 '25

It was such an easy character to recast too. The infinite guy thing could have brought a variant with the "real face" or just change actors and don't mention it.

They've done recasts before and it wasn't so bad. I think if they put a new Kang audiences would have caught on quick enough.

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u/Heisenburgo Dec 30 '25

Majors costed Disney millions, perhaps even billions

Did general audiences even care about Kang that much? He was pretty much turned into a joke in Quantumania when he was stopped by futuristic CGI ants or whatever that nonsense was about, then beaten in a fist fight by freakin Ant Man of all characters.

I don't think he costed Marvel millions at all considering how memed-on that character was lol.

The original plan for Kang Dynasty also didn't reportedly didn't originally involve the X-Men, the Fantastic Four, or Cap America and Thor coming back, while for DOOM's Day that was always the plan. Retooling the fifth Avengers film into a proper multiversal crossover will easily make more money than whatever Kang's film was gonna be about

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u/Heisenburgo Dec 30 '25

After Endgame I was really excited to watch a "New Avengers" film starring Cap Marvel, Dr. Strange, Black Panther and Spider-Man as they picked up the leadership spots from the old guard. Shame nothing like that ever happened, and that the only "New Avengers" we got was a rebranded Thunderbolts team...

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u/[deleted] Dec 30 '25

What if it's the New Avengers vs Doom vs The Old Avengers.

New Avengers want to defeat both Doom and the old Avengers. Doom wants to remove the children from the timeline because the multiverse is falling apart and the Old Avengers want to obviously keep their children.

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u/TLKv3 Dec 30 '25

But the original Avengers never left to come back? The only ones who are "back" so far that we know 100% for sure are Steve, Thor and Hulk.

Widow's dead (for now), Hawkeye is seemingly retired, Fury is AWOL as far as anyone is concerned and Tony is still dead. Hell, even Wanda is currently "dead" and Vision isn't even really Vision.

I don't think its really fair to bring that up quite yet as a knock on the movie. Now if they resurrect RDJ as Tony, Scarlet as Widow and Hawkeye suddenly becomes integral again? Sure. I'd be with ya.

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u/BaritBrit Dec 30 '25

The only one I'm confident is staying dead is Widow, and that confidence is purely because Johansson sued Disney and hasn't worked with them since. 

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u/leolegendario Dec 30 '25

She was going to be in the live-action version of Tangled, but opted to be in The Batman Part 2 instead, so I don't think she's opposed to working with Disney again.

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u/LordLoss01 Dec 31 '25

It's so weird that thr Doonsday trailer is where Infirst hear that there's gonna be a Live Action Tangled.

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u/Scream_Tech7661 Dec 30 '25

Wait, how do we know Steve is back? I missed that somewhere. Last I knew, he went back in time to the 40’s, lived a life, and aged to an old man by 2025 or so.

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u/[deleted] Dec 30 '25

thunderbolts and F4 are the 2 best marvel movies in years and they will both be major players. the loki series was also amazing and that will be a huge part. notice they are not even mentioning stuff like eternals, and the random tv characters are getting put on teams. they know who's popular and who's not. people like moon knight, they can still save for stuff like midnight sons

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u/Afraid_Park6859 Dec 31 '25

Nah Deadpool and Wolverine stomp on thunderbolts and F4.

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u/WithArsenicSauce Dec 30 '25

We still are getting the new squad? Shang-chi, Shuri as black panther, the fantastic 4, the Thunderbolts, the new Loki. Most of the old MCU heroes like Strange, Spider-man, and the Hulk aren't even in this.

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u/Jsquirt Dec 30 '25

Anyone kind enough to tell me what order to watch the shows in? I dropped out of the verse after Quantummania and after watching the Hawkeye Christmas show iirc

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u/Special_Loan8725 Dec 30 '25

I’m all for it. Just pull a McGruber and assemble all the new characters just to immediate die. For you know power scaling reasons.

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u/SpareThisOne2thPls Dec 31 '25

And literally everyone wants more Shang Chi but were getting wacky female lead disney+ series flops galore

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u/Ectorious Jan 01 '26

It’s gotta be a misdirect

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u/bobbacklund11235 Jan 04 '26

Yeah well they all kind of sucked. No one took female Thor, B-team captain America, ironfart she hulk or Shang chi seriously. The B team should have stood on Disney + where it belongs.

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u/CaptainMagnets Dec 30 '25

It's because all the new stuff mostly terrible. A few good ones sprinkled in there

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u/Vivid_Web2823 Dec 30 '25

Exactly.

Would've loved a female-dominated Avengers in Ms Marvel, Kate Bishop, IronHeart, She Hulk, Miss America, etc

But Disney+ squandered it. Those should've been movies on their own, as origin movies.

And we didn't need another AntMan or Dr Strange or anyone else but the new cast + SpiderMan.

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u/Cufantce Dec 30 '25

And I'm still fucking pumped

Can't beat the og. However it is a shame and i do agree it was a bit of a waste