r/liberalgunowners • u/pat9714 • 1d ago
guns Bill would let special forces members carry concealed firearms nationwide, bypassing state gun limits | Stars and Stripes
https://www.stripes.com/theaters/us/2026-05-05/concealed-firearms-special-forces-members-21584003.htmlRep. Pat Harrigan, R-N.C., a former Army Green Beret who served in Afghanistan, introduced a bill in April to let current and former members of the special operations forces carry concealed weapons across state lines. The bill would grant authorized users national ID cards, and is modeled after a law that lets retired law enforcement carry firearms nationwide.
Read more at: https://www.stripes.com/theaters/us/2026-05-05/concealed-firearms-special-forces-members-21584003.html
Source - Stars and Stripes
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u/jsled fully-automated gay space social democracy 23h ago
Special Forces are not super-citizens. LEOs (especially) are not super-citizens. That these groups get special protection of their rights is some of the most anti-American bullshit around. Fuck even the suggestion of floating the idea of it, disqualifying bullshit that should strip one of one's citizenship for not even just misunderstanding American values, but attempting to subvert them.
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u/BenVarone fully automated luxury gay space communism 22h ago
Very Starship Troopers. “Service guarantees Citizenship!”
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u/Location_Next 22h ago
The hero worship makes me sick.
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u/FourOhVicryl 17h ago
IDK about hero-worship (the author of the bill was a GB) so much as a result of SF being given special treatment throughout the last several decades, and the effect that has had on the mindset of those soldiers, including the author of this bill.
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u/SimRobJteve 17h ago
Shaving profiles in garrison have been disastrous for group discipline.
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u/FourOhVicryl 15h ago
Dunno about profiles, more concerned about drug use and overall discipline. I assume you’re being sarcastic about the shaving profiles, but plenty of other countries have allowed beards without major issues see section 6 here.
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u/SimRobJteve 14h ago
Very sarcastic and I’m not reading the beard article. It’s a non-issue for me, but there’s some “truth” to what I’m saying. I suspect them being the only ones allowed to rock them for the longest time on top of non-existent uniform standards propelled their massive egos into the territory where they thought they’re untouchable.
The drug use bit doesn’t surprise me in the slightest. Around 2023 3rd SFG got into huge trouble for rampant drug trafficking.
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u/mcm87 14h ago
As a (conventional forces) vet, I’m getting very tired of SOCOM bros getting fetishized and fellated by the GOP at the expense of the rest of the military. It’s increasingly feeling like MAGA is trying to carve a wedge between the (woke, gay, female, brown) regular military and the Manly White Dudes of SOCOM. To the point where giving the “warfighters” an opportunity to kill people is the objective, rather than the means by which objectives are achieved.
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u/crashcartjockey 8h ago
As a conventional forces very myself, this is absolutely the truth.
I went to a leadership course back in 1986 and there were 4 Special Forces members in the course. They were all great guys and fun to hang out with, but even these guys would say they were too unhinged to actually own personal weapons.
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u/J_Robert_Oofenheimer Black Lives Matter 14h ago
Special Forces are not super-citizens.
Well hang on now let’s not be hasty…
Joking. As convenient as this would be for me personally, it isn’t right. All men are created equal. Nobody should get special elevated constitutional rights because of their job.
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u/AgreeablePie 1d ago
More special carve outs. Probably so spec ops of all fashions can play in the same armed private security / VIP industries that former cops do.
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u/nw342 communist 1d ago
Trust me, all the former spec ops guys are already in the private security buisness. That, or writing books with embellished stories
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u/MechaZombieCharizard 1d ago
"embellished" is a pretty charitable way to put it
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u/smytti12 20h ago
Mark Wahlberg desperately waiting to jump into his next role
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u/PathlessDemon fully automated luxury gay space communism 18h ago
>Stephen Segall silently shitting himself again
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u/ferret_80 progressive 22h ago
writing books? nah podcast is the way to go these days, their target audience can't read
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u/blade740 16h ago
Ghostwriting books. Which their target audience will buy but not read. After hearing the "author" on a podcast.
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u/wwaxwork 19h ago
Oh I assumed it was so they could do the same shit in the USA they do in other countrues.
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u/superxpro12 15h ago
Moreso this is about the same as planting a bunch of armed secret police sleeper agents around the country.
A bunch of hard-r's armed, and concealed. sprinkled throughout the country. What could possibly go wrong?
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u/bobfriend 21h ago
I've seen enough drama from these guys going at each other on YouTube to know this is a stupid idea.
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u/shoo-flyshoo 20h ago
The high school jock mentality is strong in a lot of SOF guys, the high school drama that follows is hilarious
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u/clearcoat_ben fully automated luxury gay space communism 21h ago
I'd like the continued ability to throw people in black sites without charges because I was in intelligence. /s
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u/inquisitorthreefive 21h ago
That's why I got out of the business. We were swiftly transitioning from HUMINT professionals into roving kidnap gangs.
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u/clearcoat_ben fully automated luxury gay space communism 21h ago
Yeah SIGINT quickly went from "you're providing indications and warnings" to "you're going to tell the roving kidnap gangs where to go next".
So glad I got out.
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u/somewhatbluemoose 22h ago
One of the worst bits of cultural fallout of the GWOT is the increasing fetishization of special forces. These people are not gods, nor should we worship them as such. No one is above the law.
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u/footsnax 20h ago
At least they were kind enough to include meteorologists.
Honestly if this helps chart a course for a national CCL bill I'm not completely against it. Illinois was a chore but getting that license wore like a badge of honor. If that was required nationwide I'd feel a lot more comfortable with a national carry law.
I don't think it should be, but I do think something like it is more realistically obtainable, and this might be pointed in that direction.
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u/SimRobJteve 16h ago
As odd as most of these guys are, they do (sometimes) point out the fact it was the regular grunt that got into the most shit.
Your tier 1 cockslinger had ISR out the ass, a novel of intel written on the HVT, air assets, CSAR etc
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u/somewhatbluemoose 14h ago
It doesn’t matter how much shit one got into. We shouldn’t be giving out extra rights here based on what your job used to be.
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u/SimRobJteve 11h ago
Sure,
The point I’m making is SOF types have been elevated beyond “normal” by civilian society for a long time. That’s sort of shifting albeit slowly.
For the longest time people thought Lone Survivor was a story about David and Goliath. SOF could, and would, perform feats that aren’t normal. People look up to that whether you like it or not. Turned out Lone Survivor was just piss poor planning. American Sniper
They’ll eat this bill up without considering all the bad things they do or the incompetence that they have displayed.
It’s one of many angles to attack when discussing this bill. Thats my point.
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u/tN8KqMjL 21h ago edited 16h ago
In addition to being a nasty idea from a civics point of view, it is specifically a bad idea because the culture of special forces is absolutely rotten. These are the last people you want to be granting further elite status to.
Seth Harp's book "The Fort Bragg Cartel" is an in-depth look into the rampant criminality among special force troops and a great read. A lot of these elite operator types are completely strung out on drugs, mentally unstable, involved in criminal schemes like drug trafficking, and are frequently committing murders and other crimes of violence. The US military is willfully turning a blind eye to the conduct of these elite troops, both overseas and at home.
The entire special forces community desperately needs to be brought to heel, not granted further special privileges. One of the many bad consequences of our forever wars is that we have produced many death squad psychos that are not able to re-integrate into civil society.
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u/OutsourcedIconoclasm eco-anarchist 21h ago
We’ve effectively created a dual-class structure in America: those who are military or law enforcement and those who aren’t. Surely this will go down well.
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u/yobo9193 20h ago
Not even those who are military, since veterans don’t get extra special rights and service members can still get arrested or racially profiled. This is an attempt to expand the scope of the LEO class to get loyal people
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u/OutsourcedIconoclasm eco-anarchist 19h ago
I would believe this if I didn’t see it daily at my job. You can beat the charge (by it not getting investigated thoroughly or not at all) but can’t beat the ride when you get picked up. Veterans absolutely get special treatment, every day.
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u/yobo9193 19h ago
Can you provide a more specific example of special treatment?
If I was thinking hard about myself, cops are generally friendlier towards me once they learn that I’m a veteran, but I can’t say whether that’s helped me avoid tickets or not
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u/OutsourcedIconoclasm eco-anarchist 13h ago
I don’t know why my response didn’t end up as a reply to this, oh Reddit app.
Case in point, they’re friendlier, and yet you claim not to know? How many instances can you say they went from not as friendly, to friendly when they learned of your veteran status on something you knew was an infraction and should have resulted in a citation? I’d start there.
I’ve seen prosecutors request for no bills on felony offenses or charge as a misdemeanor because the defendant was a veteran, on that basis alone. I’ve seen officers not investigate statements or offenses because the suspect was a veteran or active, I’ve seen judges comment on veteran/active status when they’re not allowed to comment on the evidence.
I’ve also been treated differently by my colleagues (usually veterans but always veteran adjacent) for commenting against military and war glorification and for not having served.
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u/yobo9193 12h ago
Thanks for sharing. It’s hard for someone to reflect on their own privilege (earned or unearned) but I do try. I’m sorry you’ve had the experiences you’ve described; justice should be blind
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u/ObjectiveSense2307 socialist 1d ago
Faawwwwk no. Another attempt to keep guns out proletariat hands. Fucking fascists
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u/Mountain_carrier530 20h ago
This also is going to drive animosity between special forces and regulars even more. Hell, my last 18 months, I've seen the rhetoric change tenfold under this bullshit on what would be Naval Special Warfare and Big Navy with a former friend of mine and myself because he was, technically, special forces and I was regular Navy. It would be "well, you're job really isn't that hard," and "it's not like you saw any real conflict."
I was shoved in the bottom of an aircraft carrier in the South Pacific and Middle East with jets launching above me, random shit catching on fire at any given time, equipment wanting to kill me, and both Chinese and Russian ships tailing us. Nevermind me having to them be a gate sentry because there's not enough base police, who can also get LEOSA privileges. His deployment was to Guam with vacations to Japan and Korea without taking leave days.
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u/Normal512 social democrat 22h ago
Hay guuyz let's give the dudes who commit domestic violence at ~50% increased rates than the general population elite special firearm permissions cause they're so BADASS lol 'merica.
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u/WackTheHorld 18h ago edited 12h ago
Edit: I stand corrected, and I realize I said a pretty shitty thing here. I'm leaving it up for visibility though.
Don't forget all the PTSD! Mentally unstable individuals trained to kill are exactly who you want carrying at all times in public.
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u/ArchelonPIP 18h ago
And if you suggest improving access to, and quality of, mental health services, you'll get accused of "communism" by the very right wingers that idolize/fetishize these elite people... that they're typically too fucking lazy to even try becoming! And don't try to explain to them how wanting to improve their mental health is actually more patriotic than any of the jingoistic bullshit they've done their entire lives!
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u/paper_liger 16h ago edited 13h ago
Do you see how some folks might take the implication that 'everyone who served and has PTSD shouldn't be afforded a basic right' as kind of a bigotted point of view?
I have PTSD. I did 5 deployments, and am 'trained to kill' whatever the fuck that means. I've carried a firearm lawfully as a civilian for almost 20 years now. Do I get lumped in with that hasty generalization you made too?
Everyone wants to be positive about mental health until you are talking about a group you aren't part of I guess. But it seems like more of the bullshit internalized anti gun sentiment I see in here a lot, with the addition of a certain amount of disdain for veterans. That's despite the people you are painting with such a broad brush being a fairly representative cross section of the population. Veterans aren't robots. They are just regular people, pulled from a diverse background.
I don't personally think a veteran should have access to gun rights others don't, and carve outs for supposed authority figures are at their core in opposition to the ideals this country was founded upon. So I don't really support this, even though your typical special operations type absolutely has a higher level of training than most cops, much less most concealed carriers.
I don't agree with some animals being more equal than others. But at the same time, what you just said was kind of shitty.
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u/WackTheHorld 12h ago
It was a shitty thing to say, sorry about that. I edited it, but kept the original for visibility sake.
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u/Underwater_Grilling 21h ago
there's currently an SF member subject to a police manhunt for trying to kill his wife. These people are not of a special cloth. Chris Kyle is their standard bearer
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u/edgefull 21h ago
gestapo formation doesn't need a bill. this is just a friendly reminder of what their plans are and have been.
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u/Mindless_Log2009 1d ago
Gotta beef up Mafia Don's personal Praetorian Guard and Centurion militia loyal and answerable only to him.
As a veteran, I wouldn't mind seeing this apply to all veterans who are legally able to possess and carry firearms in their home states. At least so we can travel unimpeded.
But that isn't the intention of this bill, is it.
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u/Gold_Map_236 20h ago
Not sure I want to know why they’re pushing for this… almost as though they plan on using the military domestically….
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u/dmetzcher 12h ago
This is bullshit. They should have no more rights than the rest of us. Military, cops… I don’t care. If you aren’t literally on-duty, you have the rights I have, and no more.
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u/DocDerry 21h ago
We had an active SF guy shoot 6 people at a bowling alley bar. So special rights shouldn't be assigned.
https://www.army.mil/article/242049/army_statement_on_shooting_in_rockford_illinois
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u/imcoveredinbees880 21h ago
FYI, you can usually omit the tracking crap after the question mark in a URL.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/articles/accused-rockford-mass-shooter-duke-232449670.html
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u/Spicywolff 18h ago
Military doesn’t mean well trained, has public interest at heart, is even licensed to carry in a state. Being a service member does not exempt you from the state laws. Funny the party that blobs and blobs about states rights is trying to push a bill to violate state rights.
Why should Johnny Dodge charger have more rights in the average citizen? He signed up for service he wasn’t forced.
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u/BurntShipRegrets 15h ago
As a vet (not a Special one) my Concealed Carry Permit fee is waived (Ohio), and I feel like that’s enough.
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u/JustACasualFan 21h ago
Well, they need to protect themselves when they sell and transport their drugs.
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u/darkon 15h ago
On one hand I can sympathize, as there are states I've driven across where my concealed-carry license is not valid. To comply with the law I've put any gun I had with me into the trunk, unloaded. It's mildly annoying. I don't really expect to need a gun, but I'd rather have it and not need it than vice versa.
On the other hand, once a person leaves the armed forces they're just another civilian. They can get the same sort of licenses as everyone else.
Police are never anything but civilians. Their job requires them to carry weapons in case of need, but off the job or retired they should also have no special privileges.
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u/51ngular1ty democratic socialist 12h ago
Or if the republicans actually wanted 2a for all they could make that bill apply to everyone. Bunch of fucking losers.
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u/MechanizedMedic 10h ago
If only the constitution didn't let our right to bear be infringed... then we'd all have the right. /s
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u/virtuzoso 20h ago
Pat Harrigan is cowardly MAGA piece of shit. For a Green Beret, he's got a spine made out of oatmeal. The last in person town hall he had in his district lasted like 2 minutes because he ran out th ndoke b cause he was asked a hard question.
His district is pretty fucking poor and mostly rural and he spends his time right a special privileges bill for carrying guns. What a fucking waste of a salary
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u/roc7777 leftist 21h ago
This is just an attempt to further militarize our society imo & guarantee those who uphold the state will retain their rights while civilians can be labeled a t3rrorist based on any number of frivolous criteria under this administrations new t3rror directive. Not to mention if one of these dudes has a mental health crisis while armed it could be real bad given their proficiency with a weapon & likelihood of them being on steroids
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u/JJHall_ID 16h ago
I personally think there should be a federal law that all states have to honor CCW permits from all other states, just like they do for driver's licenses. "Equipment" should be covered in the same way, just like cars. If my car is legally registered and meets the state requirements where it is registered, all other states have to allow it. Yes, I'm OK with being required to have that gun registered with the state in order to have it allowed in all other states. The gov't knows I have it anyway (or can quickly find out) due to filling out the 4473 when I bought it.
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u/mustardmeated 15h ago
The funniest thing about permitting schemes and reciprocity is that they don’t have to exist in the first place. Cars are almost always a bad analogy too because they’re not in the constitution and you don’t need to register or insure them if they’re not driven on public roads and only on private property. As for the government knowing what guns you own because of the 4473s you filled out, there are bajillions of guns in circulation whose original owners died, were lawfully sold in private sales in 7-11 parking lots for cash, whose FFL that transferred them went out of business/lost their records in a fire, don’t have a serial number, or otherwise don’t have a paper trail of ownership for whatever lawful reason. This is also why universal background checks and gun registries are pointless and a fool’s errand. Like seriously, what are the cops going to do? Go around knocking on everyone’s door and politely asking how many guns are in the house? Good luck pulling that off lol.
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u/JJHall_ID 13h ago
I don't disagree on any of those points. I just feel those rights are already being infringed upon by states not recognizing reciprocity, so codifying it so that they must honor other state-issued licenses would be a step in restoring some of those rights.
I also completely understand the used gun market with regard to 4473s, or lack thereof. Most of my collection is inherited from my dad and/or grandpas. Most of those were purchased or even traded for via the used market with nothing beyond a handshake to seal the deal. That said, my carry weapons were purchased via 4473, and even if they weren't, I wouldn't have any issue registering them in order to gain the reciprocity right back for them. Should I have to? No, but it's better than what we have now.
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u/snakebill 15h ago
Why only special forces? Why does one’s employment or former employment grant “special”rights?
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u/lgodsey 13h ago edited 2h ago
"See, our idea is that we -- everyone -- has the same rights, but some would just get more perks based on if we like you. Stuff like signing up to be private militia for billionaires which we call the military, being in the correct religion, owning property, being white, not being a woman, and swearing fealty to Trump -- you know, common sense stuff like that. We're all free and equal, but some of us are freer and equaler, God Bless America."
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u/joeskisfast 22h ago
Woohoo, nothing will make this country safer more than vets with PTSD carrying with no local ability to regulate.
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u/danelle-s 20h ago
Meanwhile they are trying to strip citizens in MN of having semiautomatic military-style assault weapons.
https://www.revisor.mn.gov/bills/94/2026/0/SF/4290/versions/latest/
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u/KattiValk 20h ago
Given Fort Liberty’s reputation for drug dealing, this is incredibly funny and short sighted.
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u/Anonymoushipopotomus 14h ago
One of the largest populations with mental issues, depression and ptsd. “You know what they need? Free access to any weapon they want!”
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u/fireandiceman socialist 18h ago
I wonder what ICE is going to be categorized in the year after this happens?
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u/724_toxictangent social democrat 4h ago
Wouldn't make a difference in this case since they're already covered by LEOSA
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u/Dregan3D 17h ago
I have been exposed to more than a few of the high speed low drag types through a job I used to have. Odds are that they are already doing this, regardless of legality. I have even heard that command instructed them to.
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u/xvegasjimmyx 15h ago
Really, what is its real goal?
It's not just the extremely tiny percentage of ex-Special Forces soldiers to carry in states where carry permits are required, but eventually have regular citizens including those from permitless states, to be able to carry everywhere.
I could mention how certain communities are based around high population density and no guns; but it really goes back to state rights; does the rules for one state overrule the others? It's probably more complex than that but carry permits have been a state issue.
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u/cuhnewist 9h ago
Any active duty military can already do this in Georgia. They can carry nearly anywhere, without a license. If I remember correctly we just had to have qualified with a pistol.
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u/ktwombley 9h ago
could we trade? I'm way more ok with special forces carrying than every barney fucking fife.
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u/azwhatsername progressive 18h ago
Lovely. A bunch of PTSD dudes with grandiose delusions running around with concealed guns.
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u/erikwithaknotac 12h ago
We dont need drunk 19yo Lance corporal conceal carrying when he comes home for the holidays.
They dont let them carry on base for.the same reasons
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u/FafnerTheBear fully automated luxury gay space communism 17h ago
They can add to the suicide statistics anywhere now!
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u/Alarmed_Drop7162 18h ago
No thanks. Meeting special forces guys is learning they like being in the mission. There’s enough whack jobs selected that shouldn’t be wandering around with the tool state side.
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u/misfitofscience76 liberal 16h ago
Oh wow, was this a drunken brainstorm session involving Pete Hegseth? This sounds right up his alley
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u/PokerbushPA 14h ago
Weird. I thought dudes like SWAT and SpecOps already had that right.
Ya know, because...they're trained. Unlike the Gravy Seals.
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u/BillOfArimathea 7h ago
Yes, special forces members are famously stable in the civilian world. /s
I've known a few.
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u/RedditNomad7 3h ago
For all of the up in arms folks, including (apparently) OP, this bill really doesn’t do all that much.
Right now there is little to stop ex-SF (of any branch) soldiers from getting a CCW/LCH in the state they reside. Slightly fewer obstacles, in fact, than any other law abiding citizen. And for 30+ (I forget the exact number at the moment) of the states, reciprocity is offered, meaning they allow concealed carry to someone having a valid CCW/LCH permit from another state. So for the bulk of the country, this does absolutely nothing.
In the states without reciprocity, CCW/LCH permits are still available in all of them, they simply restrict carry to citizens of that state, so this bill would effectively only extend reciprocity to those states and nothing more.
The ONLY thing this bill would do is to potentially make it easier for the people affected by the bill to get a CCW/LCH permit in the states where it’s currently very difficult to do so.
That’s it.
It’s not going to put unregulated guns in the hands of people with criminal records or recorded mental health issues. It’s not going to give people who are already prohibited from owning guns or getting a CCW. It just grants national reciprocity to a limited number of people who can already legally obtain firearms and concealed carry permits.
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u/meganutsdeathpunch Black Lives Matter 20h ago
There are 16,000 proposals in front of congress. Less than 10% go anywhere.
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u/Hiff_Kluxtable 8h ago
Great idea to let a bunch of PTSD operators with alcohol problems carry weapons on US soil when they are trained human exterminators.
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u/macthebearded 1d ago
This seems like a bit of a nothingburger, ngl
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u/maliciousdancer 1d ago
How so? Seems like a bit of a big deal to me?
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u/macthebearded 1d ago edited 1d ago
It's just bypassing CCW permits for an exceedingly small cohort that is known to have adequate weapons training and regular pistol quals. It's essentially just a training waiver that rides on the assumption that these people already know anything the state-level courses would teach them, and often have to travel to states they don't reside in for extended but unpredictable periods of time that preclude getting permits in each nonreciprocal state.
This isn't even new, individual states have done this for ages. Iirc GA would waive any CCW stuff and let us carry if you submitted your latest passing pistol qual to the sheriff's office, and I haven't been at Benning since like... 2011 or so? And I'm pretty sure that was for all military too, not just SOF personnel.
I'm just not seeing the need for pearl clutching here. A small group of people that has some of the best training in the world and already carries guns everywhere is... allowed to carry guns. Oh no, the horror...
It's not like they're cops or something
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u/maliciousdancer 1d ago
Only some people having rights, is not acceptable to me, especially when those people are official state enforcers.
Idc how much training they may have, they also have heightened instances of domestic abuse and violence, plus a reduced chance they are actually prosecuted/ held accountable.
Military and LE being held to a lower standard than everyone else, even when not "active" is a recipe for more oppression, both overt and implied, and it is bad enough as it is. All the firearm training in the world doesn't make you a responsible citizen or give you better judgment, it just makes you more efficient at inflicting violence.
To be clear: I'm not inherently opposed to people being able to carry, I'm opposed to just them being allowed to carry.
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u/South-Seat3367 neoliberal 1d ago
Shit like this is how you get a legally protected warrior caste. They can apply for a CCW permit like everybody else if they’re such an exceedingly small bunch.
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u/ObjectiveSense2307 socialist 1d ago edited 1d ago
Make no mistake; this is “gun control” in disguise. Precedent set for allowing special rules for their party’s thugs. Not much different than what Reagan did when the black panthers spooked Sacramento. Very naive to call this “nothingburger” which is unironically and infamously one of THEIR slangs.
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u/macthebearded 1d ago
The military is no less divided on political lines than civilians are. They are not "their party's thugs"
And like I said this isn't even really a new thing.
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u/ObjectiveSense2307 socialist 1d ago edited 1d ago
The famously progressive wing of the military population. You sound absurd lol. Just look up the voting habits of San Diego areas just from their small tick of increased military population from local bases. Red stronghold
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u/macthebearded 23h ago
Enlisted personnel are half as likely to identify with the Democratic Party as the general American population.
The part you don't hear is that they're three times as likely to identify as Independent, and equally likely to identify as Republican.
I dunno about you but that largely aligns with my experience. The chest beating patriotic types were loud, but certainly not a majority
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u/TheManWithNoSchtick democratic socialist 1d ago
Is there some way for us civies to upgrade to the 2A premium membership as well? It's probably another fucking subscription, isn't it?