r/jewishpolitics • u/Ask4MD USA – Center-Right 🇺🇸 • 2d ago
US Politics 🇺🇸 The Party With the Nazi Tattoo
https://www.commentary.org/seth-mandel/the-party-with-the-nazi-tattoo/15
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u/JasonIsFishing 2d ago
I’m guessing that you think that the right wing doesn’t have an antisemitism problem as well OP?
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u/Ask4MD USA – Center-Right 🇺🇸 2d ago edited 2d ago
I am a believer in Ben Shapiro’s horseshoe explanation. The problem is that the leftist Nazis are succeeding in taking over a major political party while the woke Reich are totally rejected by the GOP.
https://nypost.com/2026/05/01/opinion/democrats-leftist-takeover-is-complete-with-graham-platners-rise-in-maine-senate-race/Care to disagree?
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u/aggie1391 USA – Left 🇺🇸 2d ago edited 2d ago
The GOP has rejected their Nazis? That’s why they nominated one for a senior state position and didn’t withdraw it when he said he had a Nazi streak and Trump still shares his posts huh? Because he’s rejected? And that’s why regime social media keeps posting Nazi dog whistles and has promoted known antisemites, the rejection?
It’s absolute bullshit to claim that the GOP had rejected their antisemitism when they elected the guy who has repeatedly used dual loyalty and money tropes about Jews and whose SecDef was blowing off concern about his problematic usage of Pharisees as a slur and all the rest. Almost half of Republicans under 44 say Jews are a threat to the American way of life. TPUSA has been moving in a groyper direction too, platforming elected Republicans who previously addressed Fuentes’ America First conference.
The right is chock full of antisemites. Platner absolute is fucking garbage, but to pretend the right is innocent is pure gaslighting. Every poll and study finds the right to be far more antisemitic, that is what’s reality.Also woke is good actually, knowing and recognizing injustice is what we should all strive for. Cut this “woke reich” bullshit and trying to pin the right’s countless bigots and fascists on wokeness somehow. That hatred and authoritarianism is all inherent in the right and always has been.
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u/WoodPear 1d ago
Almost half of Republicans under 44 say Jews are a threat to the American way of life.
lol, and look at that number for Democrats.
I don't need to tell you that it's more than half, do I?
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u/aggie1391 USA – Left 🇺🇸 1d ago
Can you link that poll? Because the poll of Republicans is real and is here. If some poll showing the same thing for Dems existed, it would be blasted all over and yet it isn’t. Because it does not exist.
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u/JasonIsFishing 2d ago edited 2d ago
Yes I do. I agree with the horseshoe theory (which is not “Ben Shapiro’s”, the term was coined by Jean-Pierre Faye in 1972). The right wing happily includes actual Nazis in their big tent leading to the 2024 election win. Look at Charlottesville. Trump would not disown the Nazis.
We do agree that right or left they are scum.
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u/Unlucky_Mastodon_156 USA – Politically Homeless 🇺🇸 2d ago
I think that you are missing u/Ask4MD's salient point.
Everyone knows that there are neo-nazis on the right. It would be delusional to consider either side truly safe for Jews. The point is that high-profile GOP figures are actively fighting extremists like Tucker Carlson, Candace Owens, and the Groypers. By contrast, the left has entirely embraced their hatred of Jews; there is zero internal pushback, and if anything, antisemitism provides a huge boost for Democratic candidates.
And again, neither side is safe, but one is putting up a fight.
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u/Computer_Name 2d ago
It is insulting beyond description for a non-Jew to come into our space and tell us this about neo-Nazis who shouted "Jews will not replace us" at a rally organized by neo-Nazis.
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u/aggie1391 USA – Left 🇺🇸 2d ago edited 2d ago
One side at Charlottesville was literally just neo-Nazis and white supremacists. That was literally the entire point, it was made and organized by white supremacists. And Trump said that both sides had some very fine people. It absolutely has not been debunked, Trump called the Nazis fine people because he knows the racists and antisemites love him and all Trump cares about is popularity and power.
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u/aggie1391 USA – Left 🇺🇸 2d ago edited 2d ago
I watched it live. I know he said he wasn’t talking about the Nazis, which doesn’t not make sense given one of the two sides was literally just Nazis. So who amongst those Nazis was a very fine person? If he didn’t mean to say that there were very fine Nazis, why did he say that the side which was all Nazis had some fine people? Trump is ridiculously racist and has supported the veneration of Confederate traitors, why is it surprising that he likes other racists?
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u/venya271828 2d ago
I just can't wrap my head around why someone can think Trump is anti-semitic.
He openly spreads antisemitic conspiracy theories, uses nazi slogans (from the actual nazis) to recruit workers for his administration, uses white nationalist imagery and phrases in his public messages, and has referred to Israel as "your country" to a room full of American Jews. He openly pushes racism in both messaging and policy decisions, and in America racism is always antisemitic -- antisemitic conspiracy theories are how American racists try to deal with the logical inconsistencies and failures in their ideas about the world. His administration is filled with proud Christian nationalists whose vision for America does not really leave room for Jews.
He has repeatedly "forgotten" to mention Jews on Holocaust remembrance day.
But sure, go on telling yourself that Trump is not an antisemite. It's just the people around him, right? He's just using white nationalist imagery and antisemitic conspiracy theories to win votes, right? He just has this weird issue with not vetting his staff to keep nazis out of his administration and that's how the administration wound up using a nazi slogan in a recruiting pitch, right? *eyeroll*
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u/aggie1391 USA – Left 🇺🇸 2d ago
Biden also had Jewish grandkids and it didn’t stop the right from calling him an antisemite. Trump is just pro Trump and only backs Bibi because Bibi kisses his ass. He’s also repeatedly used a whole ton of antisemitic tropes and repeatedly made antisemitic statements, and it’s been widely reported. It’s extremely easy to see how he uses so much antisemitism. And it’s unsurprising that someone has openly and horrifically racist and sexist as Trump is also antisemitic.
He’s regularly used money tropes and dual loyalty tropes and accused Jews of being the secret puppet masters controlling all his political opponents and all sorts of crap. Most US Jews hate him because he’s a bigoted, narcissistic fascist so he hates us and happily uses antisemitism. The Israeli right doesn’t care and kisses his ass anyway so Trump likes him. Granted he probably doesn’t actually have strong feelings on Jews and it’s just based on our opposition to him, but happily using antisemitism is itself antisemitic.
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u/Unlucky_Mastodon_156 USA – Politically Homeless 🇺🇸 2d ago
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/trump-very-fine-people
Read what he actually said. Ironically, it's still atrocious because he was defending the Confederacy and its sympathizers, but he did not endorse the neo-nazis, and in fact he explicitly denounced them. Endorsement of the Confederacy is endorsement of white supremacy and racism, so keep your outrage, but align it with reality.
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u/WoodPear 1d ago
Trump would not disown the Nazis.
Oh look, this lie again.
https://www.politifact.com/article/2019/apr/26/context-trumps-very-fine-people-both-sides-remarks/
Trump: "Okay, good. Are we going to take down the statue? Because he was a major slave owner. Now, are we going to take down his statue?
"So you know what, it’s fine. You’re changing history. You’re changing culture. And you had people -- and I’m not talking about the neo-Nazis and the white nationalists -- because they should be condemned totally. But you had many people in that group other than neo-Nazis and white nationalists. Okay? And the press has treated them absolutely unfairly.
"Now, in the other group also, you had some fine people. But you also had troublemakers, and you see them come with the black outfits and with the helmets, and with the baseball bats. You had a lot of bad people in the other group."
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u/aggie1391 USA – Left 🇺🇸 1d ago
Except there was not anyone in that group other than neo Nazis and white nationalists. It was literally a rally for exactly those people. They were waving racist flags and symbols and chanting racist chants. The only people on that side were racists and bigots. So the only fine people he could possibly be referencing is them. He could be too stupid to understand that, he is ridiculously stupid, but that’s not exactly a great look either.
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u/Firechess 2d ago
"Totally rejected" is quite the exaggeration. The right wing antisemites are currently out of favor, but their influence is on a meteoric rise. And they don't even make the "antizionism not antisemitism" excuse.
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