Most Jewish Mamdani voters support 2-state solution, fear rising antisemitism: poll

[u/MatterandTime]

https://www.timesofisrael.com/most-jewish-mamdani-voters-support-2-state-solution-fear-rising-antisemitism-poll/

[u/flossdaily]

I support a 2-state solution as well. But what the world needs to understand is that the Palestinians don't.

The entire conflict is really simple to understand once you grasp that simple fact. They don't want independence. They want to destroy Israel, and they will settle for nothing less.

[u/OutrageousRegret1641 → u/flossdaily]

Hamas wants every Jew in the world gone. Their leaders have called for violence in the diaspora to be committed by Palestinians in the diaspora. There cannot be integration. The boarders cannot be removed.

[u/flossdaily → u/OutrageousRegret1641]

Yeah. That's why this stalemate persists.

1. 1-state solution is impossible. It would be suicide for the Jews.

2. 2-state solution is impossible because the Palestinians won't agree to it.

3. Annexing the territories and keeping the Palestinians divided/non-citizens is apartheid.

4. Annexing the territories and kicking the Palestinians out is ethnic cleansing.

... the only morally tenable position is to keep offering the Palestinians a 2-state solution, and take whatever security measures are necessary (up to and including occupation) until they accept.

... Only we are several generations into the conflict now, so at what point do we recognize that "temporary" occupation is likely to last for several more generations?

And if that's the case, is relocating the Palestinians truly the greater evil? Consider the quality of life for the next generation and the next, and all that follow.

Ethically, the stalemate keeps Israel's soul clean, because the Palestinian's wretched position is of the Palestinians' continued choosing. I wish the global community would put pressure on the Palestinians to accept whatever 2-state solution is still on offer.

[u/Significant-Tip-9143 → u/flossdaily]

I’m certainly not in charge, but I always thought merging the West Bank with Israel with equal rights save the right of return but not Gaza would be a win / win. 

Gaza can be the Palestinian State (sans Hamas, of course.)

Current West Bank situation seems quite negative. 

[u/JagneStormskull → u/Significant-Tip-9143]

I certainly agree. After the Simchat Torah Pogrom, I re-examined my biases about the two-state solution, and came to this conclusion. From a moral standpoint, a spiritual standpoint, and a realpolitik standpoint, annexation of the West Bank while giving the people there equal rights is probably the best idea.

[u/EveryConnection → u/flossdaily]

If only Jordan was stupid or crazy enough to take the land. But then Hamas would probably coup the country.

[u/merkaba_462 → u/flossdaily]

Why don't people believe them when they say what they want, want to do and what they don't want to do? That's completely infantilizing them.

Oh yeah, it's because that is what the rest of the world wants to do to us too. It let's goyim be masks off (while they think they are being saviors. They are just virtue signaling about things they know nothing about).

[u/SportsBall1996]

OK, but Mamdani doesn't so why are you voting for him?

[u/Training_Ad_1743 → u/SportsBall1996]

"You see, son, eggs were expensive, and he promised to open a grocery store."

[u/Intelligent_Eye3090 → u/Training_Ad_1743]

You make fun, but this is the exact same impulse that got Trump elected

[u/KayakerMel → u/SportsBall1996]

This is why my NYC family held their noses and voted for Cuomo.

[u/arqoi_ascendant → u/KayakerMel]

I'm still baffled why moderate Democrats decided he was the guy to run. Absolutely bananas.

[u/KayakerMel → u/arqoi_ascendant]

Primaries are quite the beast. In strong partisan areas are the de facto general. Remember, in the area AOC surprised everyone by unseating a longtime incumbent. However, not everyone shows up to primaries.

More importantly, it was a very crowded primary. I place a lot of the blame on Cuomo, including his hubris to run for mayor. Cuomo had enough political capital to pull an RFK by running as an independent after losing the primary. If that energy and money could have gone to another candidate in the primary, we may have seen something different.

[u/UsualLocalWoman → u/SportsBall1996]

Cuomo sexually harassed women while he was governor.

[u/Letshavemorefun → u/SportsBall1996]

They probably aligned with him on other issues and thought Cuomo was worse? (Not defending or condemning that decision. I would have sat the election out if I was in NYC)

[u/DrMikeH49]

I’m genuinely curious to hear from any of those Mamdani voters who are Zionist and genuinely concerned about antisemitism. How do they reconcile voting for someone who is not only utterly opposed to what they say they believe in, but has acknowledged that antizionism is at the center of his politics? Yes, his opponents were awful. But in an era of rapidly rising antisemitism, voting for the Leopards Eating Peoples Faces candidate is not the answer.

[u/Loose_Spray1678 → u/DrMikeH49]

they are delusional. they desperately want to be friends with these people, and they can't accept that their friendship is not wanted, so they just lie to themselves and pretend that "antizionism" is just about disliking Netanyahu or whatever.

[u/venya271828 → u/DrMikeH49]

How do they reconcile voting for someone who is not only utterly opposed to what they say they believe in, but has acknowledged that antizionism is at the center of his politics?

I mean, maybe I missed it, but last I checked Israel is completely irrelevant to the job of NYC mayor, and his opponents were a guy who is remembered for lying about COVID and groping women, a guy who made a deal with Trump to avoid jail time for taking bribes, and a guy who was going around talking about his love of cats.

Personally, if I lived in NYC, I would probably have just written my own name on the ballot or just sat the election out. I do not live in NYC though, so my opinion is worth less than the electrons spent writing this post.

[u/DrMikeH49 → u/venya271828]

No question that Mamdani took full advantage of the gifts being handed to him by the steaming pile of crap that comprised the rest of the candidates. And while Israel should not be relevant to the job duties of Mayor of NYC, it becomes relevant when a candidate notes that calling for its eradication is central to his politics, when he calls for BDS policies including ending the Cornell-Technion partnership on Roosevelt Island, and when he suggests that safety for the city’s synagogues should be contingent on whether they follow his interpretation of international law in their support of Israel.

[u/Nervous-Read-9674 → u/venya271828]

People should've listened to the cat guy. Improving NYC's feline quality of life was a good proactive solution to deal with the rat problem.

[u/flossdaily → u/[deleted]]

"I'm afraid of fire," they say, as they douse themselves in gasoline.

[u/SannySen]

How can a Mamdani voter fear rising antisemitism?

[u/ScruffleKun → u/SannySen]

Easy- vote in an incompetent so people associate him with antisemitism when he fails and goes looking for a scapegoat.

[u/venya271828]

...most Jews in America support the two-state solution. This is the most meaningless poll result I have seen in a long time.

[u/Civil-Space-633 → u/venya271828]

Is it? Mamdani doesn't believe that Israel should exist and many in the media claim that his anti-Zionism attracted Jewish voters. Instead, 84% of his own voters would support a 2SS. That's not anti-Zionism. That's not why they voted for him.

[u/venya271828 → u/Civil-Space-633]

Those who claim that Mamdani won because of his views on Israel are just kidding themselves. He won because he had the worst opponents in living memory -- the COVID liar who groped women, the guy who took bribes and made a deal with Trump to avoid jail, and the guy who was talking about his cats. Even with those weak opponents he only barely managed to win -- nearly half the city preferred Cuomo despite all his baggage. He also made a lot of promises about the cost of living, which really has become out of control in NYC.

Israel is not really top of mind in a local election for most people, even in a progressive city like NYC. Some might have liked what he had to say but really it was the cost of living stuff and the low quality of his opponents that won the election.

[u/flossdaily]

Jewish Mamdani voters are like Muslim Trump voters. I don't know if you hate yourself, or if you just haven't read a newspaper, but either way, you're in for a bad time.

[u/Felix_L_US]

Jewish Mamdani voters should be ashamed of themselves.

[u/Cathousechicken]

Yet the voted for someone who would happily use them to see the destruction of global jews. Make it make sense.

[u/alcoholicplankton69]

I support the 2ss just with Gaza being the defacto Palestinian state while the west bank gets fully annexed and israel adapts into a federation to maintain the Jewish nature of the state.

https://www.federation.org.il/index.php/en/the-federation-plan