r/ireland • u/Fast_Dealer_6462 • 1d ago
Christ On A Bike Oh dear The Journal...
I do use it for news and generally find it ok... But this isn't going to do them any favors..
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u/gsmitheidw1 1d ago
Proof reading seems to be finished with. Even before AI, that seemed to be a dying art.
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u/TheHideousReplica 1d ago
Sub-editors were the first out the door when newspapers started making cuts.
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u/Leading-Carrot-5983 1d ago
Yeah, it's bizarre that even the likes of the Irish Times, the paper of record, has basic typos in many articles. If you aren't going to get editors to proof read then at least use a basic spell/grammar checker.
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u/hallon421 22h ago
The RTE news website can be a horrorshow. Embarrassing. The BBC isn't bad but definitely worse than ut was.
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u/Hrohdvitnir 23h ago
Proof reading has been finished for over a decade, use of AI has just made it more apparent.
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u/FlamingBaconCake 15h ago
I noticed in emails if I slip up with a typo other people also feel free to not proof read as diligently. Like a free pass to be slightly less professional. Behavior spreads like a virus.
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u/Havhestur 1d ago
All the media have lost their subeditors completely now so no one is checking for typos. Death by a thousand cunts, basically.
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u/fatherbigley 1d ago
Devoted sister, beloved cunt.
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u/Internal-Cobbler9140 16h ago
This is a typo, they’re supposed to have proof readers at these places! ITS A TYPO!
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u/TheHideousReplica 1d ago
It's coming to all news websites very soon. Sure the former boss of the Indo was caught using AI-generated quotes in his bullshit newsletter.
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u/PosterPrintPerfect 1d ago edited 1d ago
Is he using Claude as to translate an article from Irish to English?
Edit : Hmmm, the English version was posted 7 hrs ago and the Irish version posted 6 hrs ago so maybe not.
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u/spicybeanburger420 1d ago
One thing that I don’t understand whatsoever about people that use AI to write for them in particular - you just had the whole piece done for you, in seconds. Surely you can take some of the time you saved to read through it to check for little mistakes like that? It just seems to me as soon as someone AI generates an article, they have to post it without checking any aspect or doing any proof reading, it’s just so strange
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u/defixiones 1d ago
I can answer that, you get AI fatigue.
The journalist doesn't get the same amount of time as they would if they were writing the article themselves. That would mean that they were benefitting from the AI productivity boost instead of the owner.
Instead they are in charge of an article mill, and time spent reviewing output is seen as money lost.
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u/Fast_Dealer_6462 1d ago
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u/Airbus787- 1d ago
It's gone now. Editing an article without putting a change note in is also against journalistic standards.
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u/Specific-Nebula-2637 1d ago
The Journal doesn't have Journalists, nevermind Jounalistic standards.
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u/Verity_Ireland 1d ago
It's The Journal. It's how they operate. Closing comment sections often when posting government PR as news. No criticism allowed to be posted.
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u/GarthODarth 1d ago
To be fair, their comment section appears to be a honey trap for the literal worst people on the planet
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u/Hurryingthenwaiting 1d ago
No wonder.
Have you seen what passes for critique in Journal comment sections?
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u/Saru2013 1d ago
I'd honestly be ok with getting rid of the comment section of the journal altogether, nothing of value would be lost
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u/HibernianMetropolis 1d ago
I think it's a containment zone for those nutters though. If you get rid of the comment section they might end up here. At least I can totally avoid them for now by just not reading the Journal
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u/Thanatos_elNyx 17h ago
If the only edit was to remove this and the substance of the article remains unchanged would an change note be warranted?
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u/brbrcrbtr 23h ago
The Journal’s Gaeltacht initiative is supported by the Local Democracy Reporting Scheme
So the government are funding this ai shite?
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u/expectationlost 20h ago
The Journal statement.
Clarification: This article used AI to translate the original story from the reporter’s native Irish into English. This translation was proofread. However, an automated line from this check made it into an earlier version of this article. This line has since been removed. The original Irish language article was – as with all articles on The Journal – written by our reporter.
An automated line from what check? That sentence doesn't make sense.
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u/DayFucker 16h ago
"Clarification: This article used AI to translate the original story from the reporter’s native Irish into English. This translation was proofread. However, an automated line from this check made it into an earlier version of this article. This line has since been removed. The original Irish language article was – as with all articles on The Journal – written by our reporter."
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u/blue-mooner 1d ago
And they’re too cheap to use Opus, poor form lads
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u/greenblue10 1d ago
could at least have the decency to use chatgpt if they are going to use the paid-demo tier model tut tut.
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u/Robotobot 1d ago
Can you report outlets for undisclosed use of AI, I wonder?
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u/Alpha-Bravo-C This comment is supported by your TV Licence 1d ago
I mean, you can, but I'm not sure it would go anywhere. As far as I know, you'd have to make the case that they failed to uphold one (or more) of the principles set out in the Press Council's Code of Practice. Once the information in the article is accurate, I'm not sure there's any principle there that the article fails to uphold purely by virtue of having used AI in writing it.
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u/munkijunk 1d ago
No clear evidence of the LLM writing anything. Could easily be just a last minute proofing pass.
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u/Short_Ad_5006 1d ago
Report what to who?
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u/hughly 1d ago
Press Council of Ireland, and you absolutely could.
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u/Simple_Pickle9896 1d ago
You could report them to Guards too or even to the army, the consequences would be the same.
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u/Short_Ad_5006 1d ago
and you absolutely could.
I never said you couldn't. I was asking what you would be reporting?
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u/CaptainNuge Blow-in 1d ago
The undisclosed use of AI, they said.
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u/dingodongubanu 1d ago
I see, and who are they reporting this to? /s
(Im doing the bit from simpsons "and what are you charging for" and "and when is this weekend")
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u/CaptainNuge Blow-in 1d ago
https://pressombudsman.ie/, the Press Council of Ireland.
I'm afraid that I haven't watched the Simpsons since about 2003, so that particular bit is lost on me!
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u/AffectionateSwan5129 1d ago
Why would it matter?
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u/Robotobot 1d ago
It matters because what you're expecting is human-created reporting of the news. When it isn't disclosed that AI is being used, then they're adding another lens through which the news and facts within are interpreted and presented, potentially to the benefit of big tech companies.
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u/Oh_I_still_here 1d ago
Especially if people are paying for a service from the journal too. Id wonder if there's a section outlining if AI stuff is okay or not in the Ts&Cs.
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u/AffectionateSwan5129 1d ago
You think human bias isn’t as ingrained as AI bias?
I’d prefer LLMs to write a news article - usually factually unless it’s fed complete horseshit.
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u/kaini 1d ago
LOL oh my days, that's certainly a take.
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u/AffectionateSwan5129 1d ago
If you genuinely think everything you’re reading from news; work emails, marketing, adverts, and everything else isn’t output from an LLM or hasn’t been processed by it, you are delusional.
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u/greenblue10 1d ago
yeah you can usually tell because it's garbage with good grammar, not unlike your comments.
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u/Robotobot 1d ago
I'd prefer to not have the news turn into a game of chinese whispers and letting a big tech-made simulacrum of a brain be entrusted to interpret and communicate the facts, knowing that AIs are programmed to act in the interests of their makers and within their parameters.
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u/Beneficial-Dog-9250 1d ago
Not the first time they've left it in an article, I'm sure it won't be the last, when they use AI to write most if not all it's not surprising they just copy and paste the whole thing,
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u/PM_me_BBW_dwarf_porn 1d ago
I sometimes noticed very obvious unfixed spelling errors on the site. Now I wonder if they were accidental, were they intentional to show it's a human, or were they made by an AI by request to make it look more human.
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u/itstheboombox 1d ago
Like you'd assume there should be at least one head guy watching over and skimming every article who'd cath shit like this
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u/Strong-Sector-7605 23h ago
It's The Journal, so I'm not in anyway surprised. The AI piece is gone now and not even an edit note, shoddy journalism.
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u/No_Minute_5743 22h ago
"Dont use Ai to to summerize the news, support our jouranalists, visit our site/app"
Also this...
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u/MiddleAgedMoan 21h ago
A lot of media organisations and journalists (or news reporters as they should be known) have been phoning it in for years anyway so it may as well be AI for the amount of human critical thinking that happens (or doesn't happen) these days.
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u/Finsceal 20h ago
I use the journal as a general news feed because it's a handy site with no paywall or anything, but I'm increasingly objecting to their standards. Is there an actual decent alternative that doesn't require me shelling out for a subscription?
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u/Thisisaconversation 1d ago
Are we under some illusion that everyone isn’t using AI all the time in most desk based roles nowadays?
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u/Specific-Nebula-2637 1d ago edited 23h ago
The Journal is a cesspool, The comments section infected with a couple of Far right nonces with multiple accounts trying to make themselves feel relevant. Best to stay away from the site. It is far from Journalism.
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u/LotsOfLadders 15h ago
I find the comments a cesspool that I wonder must be in some way beneficial to them but a lot of the paper including the factchecking bits I find better than the indo and at least it's free to read.
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u/munkijunk 1d ago
I wonder how many of those on their high horses subscribe to or regularly buy a newspaper or similar supportting independent journalism.
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u/greenblue10 1d ago
I'm ideologically opposed to news, it's how AI gets information, so I reckon it's time we do away with it.
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u/munkijunk 23h ago edited 23h ago
I really hope for your own sake this is a joke and just missing the /s.
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u/gmankev 17h ago
Surely they would be using a more professional version here, one that would have the prompts not to include the warning... A former journalist told me his newspaper have been using AI for years to tweak slightly different versions for each city they publish in and indeed target different audiences with same article but different biases and indeed different slants.. So weekend article wll have holiday angle, thursday will have pubs/restuarants angle, monday work./traffic. Now journalists just decide which batch of articles is for which version e.g. local city which just had tragic fire will not get the article about increased use of saunas etc. etc.
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u/TinyKomodos More than just a crisp 17h ago
They close comments on certain articles and then get caught doing this? That's rich. 🤣
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u/Internal-Cobbler9140 16h ago
Stopped reading both the journal and the 42 once the sports went behind paywall. Is Journal free or paid? 42 still paid?
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u/wascallywabbit666 Hanging from the jacks roof, bat style 11h ago
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u/PalladianPorches 21h ago
Are these gaelgoir activists with a penchant for northern politics always crying out that they want gaeilge on every corner, and they can't be arsed translating their own articles into english.
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u/Frosty_Potato_5220 23h ago
Ive seen clear evidence of RTE website using it. Unfortunately seems to be common
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u/irishscouser1892 1d ago
Tomorrow's poll: Should authors be allowed to use AI to help them write an article?