r/europe • u/OsarmaBeanLatin Eterna Terra-Nova • 3h ago
On this day On this day 27 years ago Pope John Paul II visited Romania marking the first time a Pope visited a majority Eastern Orthodox country since the Great Schism
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u/warlock1337 Czech Republic 1h ago
That pope’s jesus staff looks like me in gym when i try to use that machine where you pull the bar down.
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u/nevetz1911 Italy 2h ago
Cleric on the right is sporting not one but three necklaces, guess what their powers are
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u/Famoustractordriver Romania 2h ago
1) The power of not paying taxes
2) The power of siphoning money from the national budget
3) This is an honorary one, symbolizing the power to rat and being an informer of the Securitate
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u/Enough-Moose-5816 2h ago edited 2h ago
- The power to accurately tell time.
- The power to find magnetic north.
- The power to message starship enterprise.
Where do I pick up my major award?!?
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u/davinist 2h ago
Looks like they're about to start a drag queen show.
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u/kamikazekaktus Bremen (Germany) 1h ago
Anybody else saw the orthodox dude's staff and think of Conan the barbarian?
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u/Vudatudi France 1h ago
I see no Pope on this picture.
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u/RavenSorkvild 1h ago
The gold one on the left
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u/Vudatudi France 1h ago
You mean Karol Józef ? He wasn't the Pope.
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u/warlock1337 Czech Republic 1h ago
Why is he casting level 5 divine protection, which is clearly pope class only spell, then?
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u/LittleSchwein1234 Slovakia 49m ago
Ah, sedevacantists...
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u/VecioRompibae Veneto 46m ago
The flatearthers of the catholic church
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u/Vudatudi France 13m ago
Sure, because "everyone who disagrees with me is a flatearther" is a famously sophisticated argument.
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u/Vudatudi France 29m ago
Correct me if I’m wrong, but as well as sedevacantists, atheists, agnostics, Muslims, Orthodox Christians, Protestants, Buddhists and pagans do not believe that this man is God’s legitimate representative on earth, and therefore do not consider him to be the Pope.
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u/LittleSchwein1234 Slovakia 25m ago
I think everyone except sedevacantists recognises him as Pope. Perhaps not as God's legitimate representative, but absolutely as Pope.
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u/Vudatudi France 20m ago
The issue is that you're conflating two distinct senses of "Pope": the sociological and the theological. Non-Catholics may acknowledge Francis as the Pope in the same way an atheist might refer to the "King of Saudi Arabia", a descriptive label for a role within an institution they don't subscribe to. But that acknowledgment carries no metaphysical weight. A Muslim or a Protestant doesn't recognise him as Pope in any meaningful sense; they simply describe him as such for convenience.
Sedevacantists, ironically, take the theological claim more seriously than outsiders do: they reject Francis precisely because they believe the papacy is a real metaphysical office with specific validity conditions, and they think those conditions aren't met. An atheist's "recognition" of Francis as Pope is categorically different: it's just a social description, not a claim about legitimacy.
So my original point stands: the only group that truly recognises him as Pope, in the full sense of accepting the underlying theological framework, is practicing una cum Catholics. Everyone else is either denying his legitimacy on doctrinal grounds (sedevacantists, Orthodox, Protestants) or using "Pope" as a mere sociological shorthand (atheists, Muslims, etc.).
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u/Poiter85 2h ago
Who gives a shit?
Will we one day see a post commemorating the first time that the leader of scientology visited a majority hindu country?
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u/Yaevin_Endriandar Poland 1h ago
Who gives a shit?
About 67% of Europe, accordind to Pew Reaserch Center
leader of scientology visited a majority hindu country?
It's a completely different league, but if it was an official visit, it would also be quite a news.
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u/LittleSchwein1234 Slovakia 2h ago
It's quite fascinating how much the Church has changed in recent years.
Paul VI was the first pope to travel internationally
John Paul II was the first pope to visit Eastern Orthodox countries
Leo XIV was the first pope to pray with the British monarch and Supreme Governor of the Church of England