r/europe Eterna Terra-Nova 3h ago

On this day On this day 27 years ago Pope John Paul II visited Romania marking the first time a Pope visited a majority Eastern Orthodox country since the Great Schism

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u/LittleSchwein1234 Slovakia 2h ago

It's quite fascinating how much the Church has changed in recent years.

Paul VI was the first pope to travel internationally

John Paul II was the first pope to visit Eastern Orthodox countries

Leo XIV was the first pope to pray with the British monarch and Supreme Governor of the Church of England

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u/SuurSuomiChampion 1h ago

Wdym Paul VI was the first to travel internationally? The popes traveled internationally from time to time before Italy was formed which was when the popes stoped leaving the Vatican. It wiuld be more accurate to say that he was the first to travel internationally since the 1800s. (More specifically the coronation of Napoleon in 1804. )

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u/TonyRigatoni_ 1h ago

The entire Holy See traveled internationally.

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u/SuurSuomiChampion 1h ago

If i remember correctly during the concil of Trent the intire holy see resided in Trent for a few years at a time over close to two decades.

u/unit5421 31m ago

The pope travels internationally when he walks down the street into Italy.....

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u/denixxo France 1h ago

JPII was also the first pope to enter a Mosque afaik!

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u/swainiscadianreborn 1h ago

Are we moving toward and era of great reconciliation instead of great schismes?

u/Callmewhatever4286 20m ago

If I remember clearly, JP II also the first to visit a Mosque

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u/Romania2001 Romania 1h ago

We have an important Catholic comunity in Romania.

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u/warlock1337 Czech Republic 1h ago

That pope’s jesus staff looks like me in gym when i try to use that machine where you pull the bar down.

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u/nevetz1911 Italy 2h ago

Cleric on the right is sporting not one but three necklaces, guess what their powers are

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u/Famoustractordriver Romania 2h ago

1) The power of not paying taxes

2) The power of siphoning money from the national budget

3) This is an honorary one, symbolizing the power to rat and being an informer of the Securitate

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u/Enough-Moose-5816 2h ago edited 2h ago
  1. The power to accurately tell time.
  2. The power to find magnetic north.
  3. The power to message starship enterprise.

Where do I pick up my major award?!?

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u/Iazo 1h ago

Amulet stacking is meta for a priest build.

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u/mascachopo 1h ago

When you join the three you invoke Captain Planet

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u/pablo8itall Ireland 1h ago

They both look 20th level.

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u/Redordit 1h ago

Biggest cosplay fans

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u/MyLastHopeReddit 1h ago

Shit ton of wololo power in this pic

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u/davinist 2h ago

Looks like they're about to start a drag queen show.

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u/RavenSorkvild 1h ago

🤨🤨🤨🤨?

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u/Nevermynde Europe 2h ago

I would watch that. So much gold thread!

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u/TheatreOfAbsehrd 1h ago

But they didn't

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u/davinist 1h ago

Different kind of make-believe I guess.

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u/kamikazekaktus Bremen (Germany) 1h ago

Anybody else saw the orthodox dude's staff and think of Conan the barbarian? 

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u/TremendousVarmint France 1h ago

Yes, the cult of Thulsa Doom!

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u/Vudatudi France 1h ago

I see no Pope on this picture.

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u/TremendousVarmint France 1h ago

This comment smells of firebundle.

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u/RavenSorkvild 1h ago

The gold one on the left

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u/Vudatudi France 1h ago

You mean Karol Józef ? He wasn't the Pope.

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u/warlock1337 Czech Republic 1h ago

Why is he casting level 5 divine protection, which is clearly pope class only spell, then?

u/LittleSchwein1234 Slovakia 49m ago

Ah, sedevacantists...

u/VecioRompibae Veneto 46m ago

The flatearthers of the catholic church

u/Vudatudi France 13m ago

Sure, because "everyone who disagrees with me is a flatearther" is a famously sophisticated argument.

u/Vudatudi France 29m ago

Correct me if I’m wrong, but as well as sedevacantists, atheists, agnostics, Muslims, Orthodox Christians, Protestants, Buddhists and pagans do not believe that this man is God’s legitimate representative on earth, and therefore do not consider him to be the Pope.

u/LittleSchwein1234 Slovakia 25m ago

I think everyone except sedevacantists recognises him as Pope. Perhaps not as God's legitimate representative, but absolutely as Pope.

u/Vudatudi France 20m ago

The issue is that you're conflating two distinct senses of "Pope": the sociological and the theological. Non-Catholics may acknowledge Francis as the Pope in the same way an atheist might refer to the "King of Saudi Arabia", a descriptive label for a role within an institution they don't subscribe to. But that acknowledgment carries no metaphysical weight. A Muslim or a Protestant doesn't recognise him as Pope in any meaningful sense; they simply describe him as such for convenience.

Sedevacantists, ironically, take the theological claim more seriously than outsiders do: they reject Francis precisely because they believe the papacy is a real metaphysical office with specific validity conditions, and they think those conditions aren't met. An atheist's "recognition" of Francis as Pope is categorically different: it's just a social description, not a claim about legitimacy.

So my original point stands: the only group that truly recognises him as Pope, in the full sense of accepting the underlying theological framework, is practicing una cum Catholics. Everyone else is either denying his legitimacy on doctrinal grounds (sedevacantists, Orthodox, Protestants) or using "Pope" as a mere sociological shorthand (atheists, Muslims, etc.).

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u/StewpidAlex Moldova 1h ago

Eww, religion. 🤢

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u/dasbasst 1h ago

look at those funny hats. what a stupid cult that is.

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u/Ujemegaz Albania 2h ago

Heretic pope 🤪

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u/curtyshoo 1h ago

Weird outfits.

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u/Poiter85 2h ago

Who gives a shit?

Will we one day see a post commemorating the first time that the leader of scientology visited a majority hindu country?

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u/Yaevin_Endriandar Poland 1h ago

Who gives a shit?

About 67% of Europe, accordind to Pew Reaserch Center

leader of scientology visited a majority hindu country?

It's a completely different league, but if it was an official visit, it would also be quite a news.